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Does the UK need a 'true leftist' party?

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Does the UK need a 'true leftist' party?

Post by Tashski on Mon Sep 09, 2013 9:31 pm

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(Not sure if this has been brought up before, apologies if it has but I couldn't see anything like it on the list)

I just read an article on the Guardian website (I retweeted it on Twitter) that discusses the ongoing problems on the left of politics in the UK. It asks whether the left need a leftist version of UKIP to effectively challenge Labour's dominance of the left. Reading the article and the interviews they took for the article it seems that the writer thinks it is possible due to the fragmentation of the relationship between the unions and the Labour Party, however, it is unlikely to happen any time soon.

so what do we all think? Is it needed? Is it indeed possible?

Personally I think it is needed but I'm not sure how likely it is to happen or indeed if it would be successful.

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Re: Does the UK need a 'true leftist' party?

Post by Mel on Wed Sep 25, 2013 2:00 pm

I see at last MSN have had something to say about Ed's speech. Don't hold your breath--- "More than half of voters are unconvinced by Ed Miliband’s promise to freeze energy bills, an MSN poll shows, as critics warn of that it could lead to energy blackouts."
They have all fallen for the propaganda laid down by The Daily "TORY" Mail----blackout fears.

This is what Labour up up against, not silly Clegg and arrogant Cameron, but the lousy press/media.

"Critics warn"?? Why don't they say who these so called critics are? The answer is so obvious, but not to the mass fickle readers of The Daily Mail Tory propaganda machine.

Desperation comes to mind.

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Re: Does the UK need a 'true leftist' party?

Post by Penderyn on Wed Sep 25, 2013 2:24 pm

Mel wrote:I see at last MSN have had something to say about Ed's speech. Don't hold your breath--- "More than half of voters are unconvinced by Ed Miliband’s promise to freeze energy bills, an MSN poll shows, as critics warn of that it could lead to energy blackouts."
They have all fallen for the propaganda laid down by The Daily "TORY" Mail----blackout fears.

This is what Labour up up against, not silly Clegg and arrogant Cameron, but the lousy press/media.

"Critics warn"?? Why don't they say who these so called critics are?  The answer is so obvious, but not to the mass fickle readers of The Daily Mail Tory propaganda machine.

Desperation comes to mind.
Perhaps they need time to talk to someone?   It's certainly what used to be done back in the days of democracy.


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Re: Does the UK need a 'true leftist' party?

Post by Redflag on Wed Sep 25, 2013 4:38 pm

Mel wrote:I see at last MSN have had something to say about Ed's speech. Don't hold your breath--- "More than half of voters are unconvinced by Ed Miliband’s promise to freeze energy bills, an MSN poll shows, as critics warn of that it could lead to energy blackouts."
They have all fallen for the propaganda laid down by The Daily "TORY" Mail----blackout fears.

This is what Labour up up against, not silly Clegg and arrogant Cameron, but the lousy press/media.

"Critics warn"?? Why don't they say who these so called critics are?  The answer is so obvious, but not to the mass fickle readers of The Daily Mail Tory propaganda machine.

Desperation comes to mind.

That scare story was going around within a couple of hours of Eds Miliband speech Mel, but the DAILY FAIL is not fit to wipe our BUTTS with and it is where the VILE Tories get there LIES from with help from Lyton Crosby, and its time for us to take back our UK from the Tories and the Prostitute party and make sure Cleggy & Cameron NEVER EVER AGAIN get into power and this is me appealing to the people of Witney Cambridge and Halam in Sheffield not to vote for any of these SCUM of the EARTH that they never see the inside of the H.O.C.

So its up to us Labour party members and voters to get out there and help to get the Labour party message to everypart of the UK.
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Re: Does the UK need a 'true leftist' party?

Post by oftenwrong on Wed Sep 25, 2013 5:07 pm

As confidently predicted, the Labour shadow front bench was probably wise to keep their 2015 manifesto quiet up to now. The Right immediately seize upon every utterance and tear it apart.

Why give them ammunition?
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Re: Does the UK need a 'true leftist' party?

Post by Mel on Wed Sep 25, 2013 5:29 pm

Powder dry OW, I only hope the spilling of the manifesto is not too soon. The problem has been as I see it for Ed, is the pressure from within to show his hand must have been immence.

Red said-- "So its up to us Labour party members and voters to get out there and help to get the Labour party message to everypart of the UK.."
Indeed Red, no doubt the members will do their job, not so sure about the voters though, as they usually sit on their hands moaning and yet do nothing.
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Re: Does the UK need a 'true leftist' party?

Post by Mel on Wed Sep 25, 2013 5:32 pm

"It's certainly what used to be done back in the days of democracy.."  
I'm afraid democracy went by the board after Thatcher's doings Penderyn.
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Re: Does the UK need a 'true leftist' party?

Post by Penderyn on Wed Sep 25, 2013 5:45 pm

Mel wrote:"It's certainly what used to be done back in the days of democracy.."  
I'm afraid democracy went by the board after Thatcher's doings Penderyn.
Yup, but especially in the Labour Party. Just think - we could put resolutions to the Branch which might well make it to Conference and be passed, after lots of very informed discussion. What's more, the choice of Fuhrer was not of great interest except to the Parliamentary pols, because normal democratic people didn't have 'leaders'. Happy days!
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Re: Does the UK need a 'true leftist' party?

Post by sickchip on Wed Sep 25, 2013 6:17 pm

Redflag wrote:
Mel wrote:I see at last MSN have had something to say about Ed's speech. Don't hold your breath--- "More than half of voters are unconvinced by Ed Miliband’s promise to freeze energy bills, an MSN poll shows, as critics warn of that it could lead to energy blackouts."
They have all fallen for the propaganda laid down by The Daily "TORY" Mail----blackout fears.

This is what Labour up up against, not silly Clegg and arrogant Cameron, but the lousy press/media.

"Critics warn"?? Why don't they say who these so called critics are?  The answer is so obvious, but not to the mass fickle readers of The Daily Mail Tory propaganda machine.

Desperation comes to mind.
That scare story was going around within a couple of hours of Eds Miliband speech Mel, but the DAILY FAIL is not fit to wipe our BUTTS with and it is where the VILE Tories get there LIES from with help from Lyton Crosby, and its time for us to take back our UK from the Tories and the Prostitute party and make sure Cleggy & Cameron NEVER EVER AGAIN get into power and this is me appealing to the people of Witney Cambridge and Halam in Sheffield not to vote for any of these SCUM of the EARTH that they never see the inside of the H.O.C.

So its up to us Labour party members and voters to get out there and help to get the Labour party message to everypart  of the UK.


Newsnight was a disgrace last night. The tone of the BBC's coverage is distinctly anti-Labour - lot's of snide digs and attempts to belittle Miliband and Labour's ideas.

Disgusting for a supposed non-biased organisation.

Newsnights primary agenda last night seemed to be warning people 'if you vote Labour your electricity supply will be cut off'.


I have to say I, for one usually so cynical of Labour, was very impressed by Ed's speech and promises. The turn to the left and democratic socialism is excellent - and he appears to genuinely care and believe in what he said. No backing down now though! I'd rather he fight the election on these principles, and lose with dignity intact, than resort to tory lite policies; but hopefully the majority will be won over, see sense, and we'll see a Labour victory.
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Re: Does the UK need a 'true leftist' party?

Post by Phil Hornby on Wed Sep 25, 2013 7:52 pm

The BBC is usually scrupulous in seeking to report fairly, but it may be suffering at present from trying too assiduously to avoid the incessant charges of being pro-Labour by a Tory-friendly media.

Such is the nature of those promoting the Tory cause that anything less than genuflection at the mere mention of Cameron is instantly  interpreted as shocking and earth-shattering bias which must be challenged aggressively.

Such are the demands of the Conservative propaganda machine...
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Re: Does the UK need a 'true leftist' party?

Post by oftenwrong on Wed Sep 25, 2013 10:15 pm

Will the voters remember that Coalition policy this week is to support higher prices for UK energy so as to encourage foreign investment?
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Re: Does the UK need a 'true leftist' party?

Post by boatlady on Wed Sep 25, 2013 10:40 pm

No, that involves holding TWO ideas at the same time - surely beyond most of us?
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Post by Mel on Thu Sep 26, 2013 9:36 am

"Such are the demands of the Conservative propaganda machine...."

Indeed phil.
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Post by Mel on Thu Sep 26, 2013 9:43 am

"Newsnight was a disgrace last night. The tone of the BBC's coverage is distinctly anti-Labour - lot's of snide digs and attempts to belittle Miliband and Labour's ideas."

There you go chip and the Daily TORY RAG IS AT IT AGAIN THIS MORNING!!!!

Labour has nothing to fear from the Tories in a straight fight but like Napoleon the Prussions came to his aid as the press/media are doing so for the Tories.
They are the enemies of the people like the Tories they support and should be silenced once and for all.

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Post by Mel on Thu Sep 26, 2013 10:06 am

For what it's worth, I have sent a formal complaint to the BBC re last nights Newsnight. headbang 
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Post by Redflag on Thu Sep 26, 2013 2:35 pm

Mel wrote:"Newsnight was a disgrace last night. The tone of the BBC's coverage is distinctly anti-Labour - lot's of snide digs and attempts to belittle Miliband and Labour's ideas."

There you go chip and the Daily TORY RAG IS AT IT AGAIN THIS MORNING!!!!

Labour has nothing to fear from the Tories in a straight fight but like Napoleon the Prussions came to his aid as the press/media are doing so for the Tories.
They are the enemies of the people like the Tories they support and should be silenced once and for all.


Mel the BBC has been anti Labour for awhile now its shown its true colours, I have an idea when the Labour party get into power in May 2015 lets put the BBC UP FOR SALE watching and setting rules as to the buyers, its behaving like a private company so let the private sector have it we could use the money raised to undo some of the nasty things the Tories did to our public sector plus everyone would gain £145.50 per year no more license fee.

As for the TORY RAGS there not fit to wipe my BUTT all they contain is LIES & Spin for the Tory party, they seem to forget the entire UK now know whose side Scam..er..ons on, while Diddy Giddy is in Brussells fighting to stop the EU from CAPPING BANK BONUSES in the City of London and it will be taxpayers money that foots the Legal Bill.
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Post by blueturando on Thu Sep 26, 2013 3:26 pm

Mel the BBC has been anti Labour for awhile now its shown its true colours
Lol now you're really clutching at straws. Most people know that the BBC has for many years has been biased to the left. They've even admitted quite recently. Questioning policy is not 'Anti' someone, unless you want our politicians to go unchallenged...IE: Dictatorship.

Having said all that, well done To Ed for finially standing out from the crowd on his announcments on 4 years of energy price freezes. I don't believe the scare stories and if they try to cut power then that energy company should be seized and taken over by the government...Viva La Revolution Very Happy 

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Post by boatlady on Thu Sep 26, 2013 5:02 pm

Questioning policy is not 'Anti' someone, unless you want our politicians to go unchallenged...IE: Dictatorship.


Quite right - I think the point may be that it seems to be mainly only the one party's policies that get closely questioned and it has to be said at times misrepresented.

I'm not aware that the BBC has pressed the Tory party or even UKIP quite as hard or relentlessly as they have pressed Labour party reps.

I guess there's also the Newsnight factor - over representation of some shades of political opinion in favour of others - saw some statistics recently showing the disproportionate number of times Nigel Farage for example has been invited
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Post by oftenwrong on Thu Sep 26, 2013 5:25 pm

There is a danger for characters like Farage in over-exposure on the media. The public's taste is notably subject to fatigue, and many yawn when Branson/Boris/Jamie (and other self-publicists) pop up yet again in some rent-a-sleb item.
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Post by Mel on Thu Sep 26, 2013 8:11 pm

"I don't believe the scare stories and if they try to cut power then that energy company should be seized and taken over by the government...Viva La Revolution " .

Good God, and this coming from you of all people blue. Shocked 
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Post by Redflag on Fri Sep 27, 2013 8:26 am

boatlady wrote:Questioning policy is not 'Anti' someone, unless you want our politicians to go unchallenged...IE: Dictatorship.


Quite right - I think the point may be that it seems to be mainly only the one party's policies that get closely questioned and it has to be said at times misrepresented.

I'm not aware that the BBC has pressed the Tory party or even UKIP quite as hard or relentlessly as they have pressed Labour party reps.

I guess there's also the Newsnight factor - over representation of some shades of political opinion in favour of others - saw some statistics recently showing the disproportionate number of times Nigel Farage for example has been invited
Thank you boatlady for pointing out the truth about the BBC to Blue, there is one program that stands out like a sore thumb that is so bias against the Labour party having its say, QT but it is chaired by a ex Bullingdon Boy ENOUGH SAID but the truth will come out this week when the Cons are having there conference this will show up another bias BBC presenter Tory voter Andrew Neil I just wonder if he will questioned them about the NHS and why there donors are being allowed to bid for LUCRATIVE CONTRACTS after giving huge donations to the Tory party funds, or are they worrried (NOT) about what there Bedroom tax is doing to the sick & disabled low paid workers of the UK I very much doubt it because deep down he believes in the poor should pay for the bankers SHENANIGANS of 2008 and help the rich fill there off shore bank accounts.


BLUE I do not think you have been as attentive to Ed Milibands speech as you profess otherwise you would have heard him say the energy prices would be frozen for 20 MONTHS not 4yrs as you say in your post, perhaps you just need to go see your GP (NHS OR PRIVATE) get him/her to SYRINGE your ears as you could have a problem there.Embarassed 
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Post by blueturando on Fri Sep 27, 2013 2:08 pm

Apologies Red, I was mistaken in thinking it was for 4 years....but then again, maybe 4 years is a good idea Idea 

I know Mel....I have my moments of rebellion and this is one of them. Between the energy companies, politicians and the so called 'Green' energy investors and providers, I think as most of us do, that we have been taken for a ride on energy prices for too long now and its is quite plain to see that someone/some people....somewhere are making vast amounts of cash out of our need to stay warm and fed....Where do I sign up for the march/demo?

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Post by Redflag on Fri Sep 27, 2013 3:07 pm

blueturando wrote:Apologies Red, I was mistaken in thinking it was for 4 years....but then again, maybe 4 years is a good idea Idea 

I know Mel....I have my moments of rebellion and this is one of them. Between the energy companies, politicians and the so called 'Green' energy investors and providers, I think as most of us do, that we have been taken for a ride on energy prices for too long now and its is quite plain to see that someone/some people....somewhere are making vast amounts of cash out of our need to stay warm and fed....Where do I sign up for the march/demo?
Blue Apologies accepted, Ed needs those 20 months to put something better than Offgem in place because it does not work or it could be that the Tory party has taken it to the dentist and had its teeth removed like Thatcher did to the Unions. But 4 years is too long to keep a private company down the bettter thing to do would be to Nationalized both gas & electric.
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Post by Mel on Sat Sep 28, 2013 9:58 am

The question Red is why does Ofgem not work?
Back handers come to mind my friend.Mad
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Post by oftenwrong on Sat Sep 28, 2013 11:42 am

It wouldn't be anything so crude as obvious back-handers, Mel, though the effect is similar.  The upper echelons of fat-cats have a mutual understanding that you don't interfere with another's space at the trough.  A quango such as, but not only, Ofgem will be composed of "like-minded" people who know that it's not their job to prevent the wheels of Industry from turning.

Good salaries are received for a benign neglect.
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Post by Redflag on Sat Sep 28, 2013 12:31 pm

Mel wrote:The question Red is why does Ofgem not work?
Back handers come to mind my friend.Mad
 
I have to agree with you Mel, most of these Quangos are the same big business comes along and flashes a wad of notes and their ethics and morals go out of the window, why do you think the Royal Mail is up for sale Cameron and Osborne like to give back to Tory donors while the tax payer pays for it with privatized public services.
 
We can not wait until 2015 to get rid of the Tory SCUMBAGS, somebody somewhere MUST get the fight back started.
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Post by oftenwrong on Sat Sep 28, 2013 10:02 pm

As of right now, Royal Mail is already privatised. City Investors have already over-subscribed for the shares on offer. Even if no member of the Public were interested, the deal is already done.

What a shame it would be if a Strike by Post Office employees were to halve the value of shares which have already been bought.

No-one could possibly criticise the Government's rush to get in before the Tory Conference.
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Post by ghost whistler on Sun Sep 29, 2013 3:22 pm

I'm not a fan of these labels, but they seem to serve a purpose. I suppose then I would consider myself a lefty. I have liberal and socialist values though I'm no political expert nor well read on the theory. I merely base my opinions on observation of the system and experience thereof and I contend that what we have right now is not serving our interests and that the economic system is seriously flawed.

So in answer to the question: yes. We need something socialist, left leaning, truly liberal that promotes an antithesis to division and the kind of devil take the hindmost herd mentality we have right now. I see a society riddled with divisions with people sniping at anyone different or with different views locked into a race to the bottom. Full steam ahead!

Whether we will get it I do not know. I haven't much hope the People's Assembly will do anything more than talk, sadly. It pains me to say that (since it's playing into divide and rule).
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Post by Redflag on Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:56 pm

ghost whistler wrote:I'm not a fan of these labels, but they seem to serve a purpose. I suppose then I would consider myself a lefty. I have liberal and socialist values though I'm no political expert nor well read on the theory. I merely base my opinions on observation of the system and experience thereof and I contend that what we have right now is not serving our interests and that the economic system is seriously flawed.

So in answer to the question: yes. We need something socialist, left leaning, truly liberal that promotes an antithesis to division and the kind of devil take the hindmost herd mentality we have right now. I see a society riddled with divisions with people sniping at anyone different or with different views locked into a race to the bottom. Full steam ahead!

Whether we will get it I do not know. I haven't much hope the People's Assembly will do anything more than talk, sadly. It pains me to say that (since it's playing into divide and rule).

I have always condsidered myself as a very Proud lefty which to me means FAIRNESS for all not just the Elite at the top, as I am originally from Newcastle Upon-Tyne this is where my politics where formed by my paternal Grandfather at a very early age, I do think that Ed Miliband will take the Labour partyto the left because he has listened and he knows that the peopleofthe UK have had enough of right wing gov't.
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Post by Penderyn on Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:08 pm

It depends what we mean by socialism.  In my view, it is democratic control of the economy by working people, the vast majority of the population.  No established party does other than lick the relevant parts of the rich, surely?
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Post by ghost whistler on Tue Oct 01, 2013 8:17 am

Redflag wrote: I do think that Ed Miliband will take the Labour partyto the left because he has listened and he knows that the people of the UK have had enough of right wing gov't.
 
I hope he does. That's all we can do. However I think that we have to vote Labour in 2015 until we can get a better system and voting system because the alternative, even if marginally, is too grim to bear (particularly evidenced by yesterday's vile proclamations from conference). Also it sends a message to the tories who really do think that Miliband's lot are raving socialists.
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Post by Redflag on Tue Oct 01, 2013 10:14 am

Ed Miliband's pedigree is in the far left in politics that comes from both of his parents, I do believe he has been listening to what we have been saying plus its there before his eyes what this Tory gov't is doing to the good people of the UK.   Something I found out on Sunday which really surprised me is that Eds Mum does not speak to David and has nothing to do with him IMHO because of his right wing political veiws.cheers
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Post by ghost whistler on Tue Oct 01, 2013 10:33 am

Time will tell, but so far Labour as fallen far short of the mark IMO. They facilitated IDS' repugnant retrospective legislation and broadly share much of his ideas. Ed Balls cannot claim he will even take a different course than Osbourne.

I still think Labour are the only choice in 2015, but I'm under no illusion they will really do enough. Even though Burnham has promised to reverse the health and social care bill I can't see Labour undoing the marketisation of the NHS as they started it - and we all know that pre election promises aren't worth a damn, just ask Cameron who pledged no top down reform of the NHS.
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Post by Redflag on Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:10 pm

I agree with what you have said gw up to a certain point, Labour could not defeat any of the nasty bills that have went through the H.O.C reason its all down to numbers, Tories have 305 seats L/Ds 57 = 362 Labour only have 258 seats and even the minor parties would not give them a majority to stop bills so there hands are tied,there reason for there facilitating IBS bill was an agreement on a AMENDMENT to stop the bill being more toxic, the Labour party are realists they know they cannot stop the bills because at the moment the Tories and the Prostitute party have the numbers so at the moment they have the upper hand for the time being only.
 
I am hoping that the Labour party will surprise everyone in a good way if we the voting public give them the majority in the H.O.C in May 2015, the reason for Ed Balls or Ed M not saying what you want him to say  is because he does not know the state of the economy or how much money is going to be left after the Tories have given most of it to there friends and donors in the shape of gov't private contracts, not unless you want the Labour party to do what this gov't has done "LIE THROUGH ITS BACK TEETH" to the voters of the UK, so if they can do more it will come as a bonus that he can give without ruining the growth and economy of the UK.
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Post by ghost whistler on Tue Oct 01, 2013 2:24 pm

Let's hope Labour prove to be what this country needs.

Right now things are at an absolute nadir. Yesterday's ideological onslaught has left me reeling.
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Re: Does the UK need a 'true leftist' party?

Post by Penderyn on Tue Oct 01, 2013 2:47 pm

It is unbelievable how far the 'Mail' scumbags feel they can get away with going. It is close to Die Stuermer (excuse spelling) in Nazi Germany already.
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Re: Does the UK need a 'true leftist' party?

Post by ghost whistler on Tue Oct 01, 2013 3:01 pm

My mother reads the Mail. Makes me sick, but that's democracy. It's her choice and I have to respect it.
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Re: Does the UK need a 'true leftist' party?

Post by Penderyn on Tue Oct 01, 2013 3:12 pm

ghost whistler wrote:My mother reads the Mail. Makes me sick, but that's democracy. It's her choice and I have to respect it.

Can't see it. What's democratic about lies?
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Re: Does the UK need a 'true leftist' party?

Post by ghost whistler on Tue Oct 01, 2013 4:14 pm

Nothing, but if she, as an adult, wishes to read that rubbish that's her choice. Sadly.
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Re: Does the UK need a 'true leftist' party?

Post by oftenwrong on Tue Oct 01, 2013 5:35 pm

The Daily Mail is ideal for those who can't form an opinion without being told what to think.
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Re: Does the UK need a 'true leftist' party?

Post by Redflag on Tue Oct 01, 2013 5:49 pm

oftenwrong wrote:The Daily Mail is ideal for those who can't form an opinion without being told what to think.

After what they have said today about Ed Milibands father just proves that there is a need for control on the newspapers, after the Levenson inquiry for the phone hacking of Milly Dowlers phone giving her family false hope that she was still alive plus all the others and that is before the computor hacking just shows how nasty the media can be I say its now time for a code of moral & ethics to be imposed on all media sources.
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