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How are us atheists going to deal with our own inevitable demise?

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How are us atheists going to deal with our own inevitable demise?

Post by Bellatori on Sun Nov 17, 2013 11:07 am

First topic message reminder :

Epicurus tried to tell us not to worry about death saying...
“Death is nothing to us, since when we are, death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.”
which is often summed up by the very pithy

“I was not, I was, I am not, I care not. (Non fui, fui, non sum, non curo)”
The first quote is part of a much longer quote from a surviving letter he wrote.

“Accustom yourself to the belief that death is of no concern to us, since all good and evil lie in sensation and sensation ends with death. Therefore the true belief that death is nothing to us makes a mortal life happy, not by adding to it an infinite time, but by taking away the desire for immortality. For there is no reason why the man who is thoroughly assured that there is nothing to fear in death should find anything to fear in life. So, too, he is foolish who says that he fears death, not because it will be painful when it comes, but because the anticipation of it is painful; for that which is no burden when it is present gives pain to no purpose when it is anticipated. Death, the most dreaded of evils, is therefore of no concern to us; for while we exist death is not present, and when death is present we no longer exist. It is therefore nothing either to the living or to the dead since it is not present to the living, and the dead no longer are.”
It has to be born in mind that he was not an atheist as such. He did believe in God(s) but, from any practical point of view, he clearly felt that had nothing to do with us and no impact on our lives which, IMHO, makes them a somewhat redundant part of the universe.

So how DO atheists view dying? Are we all into the Kubler-Ross model (which by the by does nothave a lot of research and evidence to support it but it has almost passed into folklore)?



This rather came together as a thought when one of the posters on another site announced he was dying. Apart from rushing out to make a will I did start to think about dying. Given there is no heaven, no afterlife, I won't be reincarnated as a hero, a lion, a worm ... basically NOTHING then how do I actually feel about death. It is really going to piss me off. I want to live forever because there is so much that I do not know which is why I have just applied to do a mathematics degree. I tell myself there is time. Actuaries tell me that also. I should live ten years if I am sensible but the odds are against more than twenty.

Theists can comfort them selves with their belief. Elsewhere I have put forward this as a reason for the development of spirituality and religion. A psychological crutch to enable developing humanity to get up in the morning. If life, from an intellectual point of view (you get born; take some shit for a while then die) is rather futile this crutch becomes crucial.

So how do we deal with the concept? Epicurus says we shouldn't worry about it. Kubler-Ross says we don't worry about it until it become in your face real and then we go through a rationalisation process.

As atheists what are we going to do?

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Re: How are us atheists going to deal with our own inevitable demise?

Post by stuart torr on Fri Apr 04, 2014 1:02 pm

What liquorice

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Re: How are us atheists going to deal with our own inevitable demise?

Post by polyglide on Sat Apr 05, 2014 10:57 am

You are the sweetest thing but also deluded.
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Post by stuart torr on Sat Apr 05, 2014 11:36 am

so kind
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Re: How are us atheists going to deal with our own inevitable demise?

Post by Penderyn on Fri May 02, 2014 3:24 pm

I feel sad about the reactions of those I leave behind. I cannot imagine why, otherwise, anyone should wish to exist at all.
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Post by stuart torr on Thu Jun 05, 2014 5:58 pm

I have no-one to worry about when I snuff it Penderyn, so forget about them and enjoy life as much as possible.
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