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Post by Greatest I am on Wed Mar 19, 2014 11:07 pm

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Have you investigated Gnostic Christianity?

The Gnostic wing of Christianity, if it can even be called that today, has quite a few differences to Christianity and Catholicism.

If the old Gnostic Christians were here, they would hardly recognize what has happened to the original Orthodox Catholic Church or it's various offshoots in Protestantism or Islam. The Gnostic Christian Jesus would have a fit and would be quite disappointed I think. I know that this Gnostic Christian is.

The two main differences that moved the old Christians to kill Gnostic Christians and burn their scriptures was literalism in reading scriptures and the fact that the Gnostic version of Jesus was a Universalist.

That Gnostic Christian Jesus, and the Gnostic Christians of that flavor, (there are likely as many Gnostic sects as Christian sects), sees a spark of God in all people including women and gays. That fact, to me, makes Gnostic Christianity a more desirable denomination of Christianity than all the rest.

If a religion cannot abide with equality of the sexes then to my mind it is not a just religion and is not worthy of the support of moral people. Inequality is an immoral position and most of the Abrahamic cults are of that immoral persuasion.

As the superior Catholic theology, it is my hope that Gnostic Christianity will eventually bury the non-egalitarian and immoral Christian cults as their members recognize that equality is the right moral system for all to live under.

If you have investigated Gnostic Christianity, do you agree that from a moral POV, they are the superior Christian theology thanks to equality and Universalism?

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Re: Have you investigated Gnostic Christianity?

Post by polyglide on Fri Apr 25, 2014 10:31 am

Stu, you will believe anything.

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Re: Have you investigated Gnostic Christianity?

Post by polyglide on Fri Apr 25, 2014 10:33 am

Other than the truth.
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Re: Have you investigated Gnostic Christianity?

Post by stuart torr on Fri Apr 25, 2014 1:34 pm

That does not involve god
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Re: Have you investigated Gnostic Christianity?

Post by Dan Fante on Fri Apr 25, 2014 3:26 pm

PG, you can't handle the truth  Razz 
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Re: Have you investigated Gnostic Christianity?

Post by polyglide on Sat Apr 26, 2014 10:51 am

How on earth can you think that, when you have no idea of the truth.
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Re: Have you investigated Gnostic Christianity?

Post by stuart torr on Sat Apr 26, 2014 12:07 pm

Neither have you PG.
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Re: Have you investigated Gnostic Christianity?

Post by polyglide on Tue Apr 29, 2014 3:19 pm

Then you admit you have no idea of the truth, I dispute your opinion that I do not.
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Re: Have you investigated Gnostic Christianity?

Post by stuart torr on Tue Apr 29, 2014 4:21 pm

frankly I don't give a damn PG.
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Re: Have you investigated Gnostic Christianity?

Post by Dan Fante on Wed Apr 30, 2014 9:14 am

polyglide wrote:How on earth can you think that, when you have no idea of the truth.
You're a card, PG. I'll give you that.
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Re: Have you investigated Gnostic Christianity?

Post by stuart torr on Wed Apr 30, 2014 10:47 am

But not a very high one Dan.
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Re: Have you investigated Gnostic Christianity?

Post by polyglide on Fri May 02, 2014 10:05 am

I think you deal in a pack of lies, Stu.
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Re: Have you investigated Gnostic Christianity?

Post by Dan Fante on Fri May 02, 2014 10:56 am

Ignore him, Stu. He's lying Wink
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Re: Have you investigated Gnostic Christianity?

Post by stuart torr on Fri May 02, 2014 12:42 pm

What else Dan Laughing 
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Re: Have you investigated Gnostic Christianity?

Post by Shirina on Sat May 03, 2014 4:27 pm

polyglide wrote:Then you admit you have no idea of the truth, I dispute your opinion that I do not.

You don't have the truth any more than I do.

I know you BELIEVE you have the truth - but you don't. If you really had the truth, then there would no longer be a reason to debate. Truth is self-evident. It is something we can all look at and know one way or another that it is true. If you think Christianity meets that criteria, then I would have nothing to debate you with. Yet I can tear holes in your religion until I leave you sputtering on the ground utterly spent. Oh yes, trust me, you don't want to call my bluff on that one.

Truth does not have so many contradictions nor does truth require a person to suspend reality in order to reach it. The moment one suspends reality, then ANYTHING and EVERYTHING becomes the truth ... and they also become lies. Thus having to suspend reality and the workings of the natural world to believe that the Bible - among thousands of cultural myths, legends, creation stories, and folklore - is the only one that is true, well, sorry but believing in a magical all-powerful being that exists outside of the space-time continuum who created humans from a pile of dirt and a rib, if that isn't suspending reality, then this isn't fast becoming a long run-on sentence.
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Re: Have you investigated Gnostic Christianity?

Post by polyglide on Tue May 06, 2014 2:37 pm

Of course there is every reason for debate, your inability to realise the truth being the main reason.

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Re: Have you investigated Gnostic Christianity?

Post by stuart torr on Tue May 06, 2014 5:47 pm

You have a very large inability to realise the truth yourself PG.
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Re: Have you investigated Gnostic Christianity?

Post by Shirina on Wed May 07, 2014 2:19 pm

polyglide wrote:Of course there is every reason for debate, your inability to realise the truth being the main reason.


I guess that's one of the big differences between religion and atheists.

Religious beleivers think they have the one and only Truth and everyone else is wrong.

Atheists don't believe we have the Truth - we only claim to have the facts.

If it became factual through evidence that God exists, then we would change our minds. But would Christians change their minds if it was proven that there are no gods? I mean a goodly number already deny evolution and the Big Bang, so it isn't beyond the realm of possibility that Christians would go right on believing in their fantasies ...

But what if it was proven that a different God exists? Let's say ... Shiva. How many Christians would throw away their Bibles and convert to Hinduism? I bet a lot of them would simply deny Shiva and continue to sit around waiting for Jesus.

Atheists wouldn't do that. We go where the evidence goes. We neither believe in gods or believe in science. It just so happens that science has all the evidence so far and religion has nil, zero, zilch, nada, nix, nothing, niente, niets, Ничего, 무가치, moo-ka-chi, ekkert, kuch nahin, and finally nashi.
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Re: Have you investigated Gnostic Christianity?

Post by stuart torr on Wed May 07, 2014 2:49 pm

Your praise is coming in bucket loads today Shirina. Another brill post.
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Re: Have you investigated Gnostic Christianity?

Post by polyglide on Fri May 09, 2014 10:56 am

Nick nack paddywack.

Faith is FAITH, if there was undisputable evidence of God then there would be no neeed for faith.

You have to base your belief on that which is available.

Even were the BIg Bang etc; to be correct, then this does not alter the basic facts relating to the origin of life etc;

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Re: Have you investigated Gnostic Christianity?

Post by Dan Fante on Fri May 09, 2014 12:33 pm

What are the facts relating to the origin of life, PG?
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Post by stuart torr on Fri May 09, 2014 4:49 pm

You can't even make a rhyme up PG.  Sad 
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Re: Have you investigated Gnostic Christianity?

Post by Shirina on Sun May 11, 2014 9:21 pm

polyglide wrote:Nick nack paddywack.

Faith is FAITH, if there was undisputable evidence of God then there would be no neeed for faith.

You have to base your belief on that which is available.

Even were the BIg Bang etc; to be correct, then this does not alter the basic facts relating to the origin of life etc;


Why do we need faith? I've yet to hear a good explanation. Because faith allows us to believe in all manner of stupid things. People had enough faith in the Heaven's Gate religion that they killed themselves; they had FAITH that doing so would whisk them away to the comet empire lurking behind Hale-Bopp. When there is no evidence, then faith can take you anywhere your imagination does. That means you can convince yourself that you're Flash Gordon just as long as you have faith that you are. Faith is NOT a good thing because faith is a barrier to reality, a hurdle that has to be jumped, an obstacle to truth that must be navigated. "Faith" is the adult word for playing "make believe" or to "pretend." I mean, seriously, why do you think it's called "make believe?"  Think about it.
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Re: Have you investigated Gnostic Christianity?

Post by woolyback on Mon May 12, 2014 8:38 pm

"faith is a barrier to reality"

A barrier to the fact that reality is crap.
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Re: Have you investigated Gnostic Christianity?

Post by polyglide on Tue May 13, 2014 2:10 pm

woolyback, a little sheepish me thinks.

Shirina, you always lose the plot.

Your idea of faith is truly beyond belief.

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Re: Have you investigated Gnostic Christianity?

Post by stuart torr on Tue May 13, 2014 6:25 pm

Shirina's is great PG, better than being "make believe" like yours.
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Re: Have you investigated Gnostic Christianity?

Post by polyglide on Fri May 16, 2014 11:54 am

If only you knew the difference.
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Re: Have you investigated Gnostic Christianity?

Post by stuart torr on Fri May 16, 2014 1:51 pm

Oh I do PG I do.
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Re: Have you investigated Gnostic Christianity?

Post by polyglide on Tue May 20, 2014 2:04 pm

Then you have a very funny way of showing it.
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Post by stuart torr on Tue May 20, 2014 2:22 pm

you cannot always recognise it PG.
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Re: Have you investigated Gnostic Christianity?

Post by polyglide on Tue May 20, 2014 2:51 pm

I can if it makes sense. Try it sometime.
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Re: Have you investigated Gnostic Christianity?

Post by stuart torr on Tue May 20, 2014 5:44 pm

We both must I believe, ie stop having a go at each other?
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Re: Have you investigated Gnostic Christianity?

Post by polyglide on Fri May 23, 2014 1:18 pm

OK by me, lets be friends and discuss our differences in a sensible manner.
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Re: Have you investigated Gnostic Christianity?

Post by Dan Fante on Fri May 23, 2014 1:27 pm

Laughing
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Re: Have you investigated Gnostic Christianity?

Post by stuart torr on Fri May 23, 2014 1:35 pm

Laughing I know Dan.
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Re: Have you investigated Gnostic Christianity?

Post by polyglide on Fri May 23, 2014 2:08 pm

He who.
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Re: Have you investigated Gnostic Christianity?

Post by stuart torr on Fri May 23, 2014 3:37 pm

Do not know what you mean by that PG.
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Re: Have you investigated Gnostic Christianity?

Post by Shirina on Fri May 23, 2014 6:10 pm

So what is your definition of faith, polyglide?

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Re: Have you investigated Gnostic Christianity?

Post by polyglide on Sat May 24, 2014 11:19 am

He who laughs last Stu.

Shirina, my idea of faith is believing in that which I believe to be true but cannot prove.
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Re: Have you investigated Gnostic Christianity?

Post by stuart torr on Sat May 24, 2014 11:59 am

There it lies PG, you cannot prove, there is more for gods non-existence is there not?
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Re: Have you investigated Gnostic Christianity?

Post by polyglide on Tue May 27, 2014 2:23 pm

No, Stu.

If you consider all the facts that we do know, then the only explanation so far is that intelligence must be involved in creation.

That intelligence I believe is God.
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Post by stuart torr on Tue May 27, 2014 7:12 pm

PG, as you know I do not believe in a creator, I believe life came about through abiogenesis, which to myself seems to be the only viable option. There are so many additions to the bible and Genesis itself is a pack of lies, you can pick so many holes in the bible that to pick them out would take all week.
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