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Post by Redflag on Wed Jan 08, 2014 5:23 pm

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Maybe Goves wife will provide the job seekers with the money to buy her expensive facial creams, and maybe while she is at it she could take them out and buy them a new outfit to attend there interview with  so they can get a zero hour contract job. lol! lol!
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Post by Redflag on Sun May 04, 2014 7:36 am

bobby wrote:Is this the same British American Tobacco,  the very prominent Tory Ken Clark was or is up to his neck financially with?

When you take a good hard look at the Tory MPs bobby, they are all at it if its not tobacco companies there on the boards of the financial sector by now most of the Tory MPs will know that they will be losing thre seat at the 2015 general election, and wil have jobs lined up with some company or other that this Tory gov't have given lucrative gov't contracts too.  stirpot 

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Post by Ivan on Thu May 08, 2014 9:31 am

Ex-councillor will only have to pay £5 back after £154,000 fraud
 
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Disgraced Tory councillor John Morgan will only have to pay back £5 of more than £154,000 he stole from an elderly Alzheimer's sufferer. At a confiscation hearing at Oxford Crown Court, a barrister for the Crown Prosecution Service said because his wife was awarded their £250,000 home in divorce proceedings the pensioner has no remaining assets.

Alan Blake, prosecuting, said it was with "regret" that the CPS had decided it could not oppose civil court proceedings which had ruled the house should belong to Morgan's wife.

 
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Post by oftenwrong on Thu May 08, 2014 1:17 pm

The CPS and similar practitioners, when recovering debt often show a naïve ignorance of what people really do with their money. As commission-only debt-collectors they would not survive very long in the world outside Inns of Court.

Instructed to recover damages from a debtor they will issue a Court Order freezing the Bank Account. Obviously a miscreant is not going to leave lots of cash lying around for them to sweep up, but they can frolic with the overdraft. In the above case, the wife has been granted possession of the marital home. What a surprise. Our learned and zealous recovery eagles then turn their attention to the knowledge that "there is a car". The 2002 registered Peugeot rusting in the driveway will require more spending just to get it to the auction, than it has ever been worth during the past ten years.

Having a solicitor act as debt collector is like having your mother-in-law as Marriage Counsellor. Horses for courses.
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Post by oftenwrong on Fri May 09, 2014 5:26 pm

"Cameron pledges to cut red tape" January 2014.

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Post by Phil Hornby on Fri May 09, 2014 7:38 pm

Clearly, whatever standards there may have been for governing the nation have also met with a severe pruning , judging by the events since May 2010...    Shocked
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Post by Phil Hornby on Mon May 12, 2014 12:05 pm

Cameron Reassures Gary Barlow, OBE...

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" Keep up the massive tax avoidance, Gary old chap, and  a knighthood surely beckons..."
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Post by oftenwrong on Mon May 12, 2014 4:21 pm

You really would think that chaps whose families have spent three hundred years accumulating wealth and hanging on to it, could spare a moment to educate those nouveaux riche seeking to join the Club.

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Post by Redflag on Tue May 13, 2014 8:18 am

Phil Hornby wrote:Cameron Reassures Gary Barlow, OBE...

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" Keep up the massive tax avoidance, Gary old chap, and  a knighthood surely beckons..."

Your caption could read "Keep Donating to the Tory Party Gary Old Chap" and I will make sure there will be a Knighthood in it for you.
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Post by Ivan on Tue May 13, 2014 11:10 pm

Tory MP Patrick Mercer was caught asking questions in Parliament in return for cash and suspended for six months. He decided to leave Parliament altogether. Now it should be Charlotte Leslie’s turn to do likewise…..
 
MP Charlotte Leslie Could Face Investigation Over Failure To Declare Donations
 
Charlotte Leslie, Tory MP for Bristol North West, has offered her "heartfelt apologies" in the House of Commons for failing to declare cash donations in the register of members' interests. She told MPs she had asked three written parliamentary questions, made her maiden speech, one intervention and asked a question to a select committee witness without declaring a "potentially relevant interest" on the register. Her office said the "potentially relevant" donations are £12,000 linked to the Bristol Port Company and £2,500 from Theodore Agnew.

Ms Leslie said the three questions she referenced in her apology were asked in 2012 and 2013 and were about the proposed Severn Barrage. At this stage, Ms Leslie had not highlighted on the MPs' register a £10,000 donation from David Ord Ltd and £2,000 from First Corporate Shipping Ltd, which own the Bristol Port Company and opposed the barrage plans. Ms Leslie also explained that Mr Agnew appeared as a witness before the Education Select Committee in 2011, a period when she was a member.

Ms Leslie told the Commons she had not personally benefited financially as the donations were made to the Bristol North West Conservatives.  She added she took full responsibility for not submitting the details in a "timely fashion" despite seeking to have extra administrative support as a result of being registered dyslexic.

 
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Re: Is this another Tory scandal brewing? (Part 2)

Post by Redflag on Wed May 14, 2014 9:46 am

IVAN Its always been the same with the Tories they think because they're in power the laws of the land do not apply to them, they would have us believe that the benefit cheats are keeping the courts busy enough without having to process Tory MPs through the court system.
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Post by Ivan on Sat May 31, 2014 11:27 pm

Tory Donor Lycamobile Gives Tories More Money, Despite Not Paying Tax
 
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The Tories have come under fire for accepting just over £105,000 from telecoms giant Lycamobile, which has not paid corporation tax in Britain since 2007, despite making millions each year.

Lycamobile's latest donation, accepted this March, means they have given the Tory Party well over £500,000 since 2011, making them one of the party's biggest corporate donors. The firm gave £102,620 to the party, and a further £2,400 to the party's branch in the Cities of London and Westminster.

Cameron last year urged companies to "wake up and smell the coffee" over mounting public anger about the tax affairs of multinationals like Starbucks, Google and Amazon.

 
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Post by Ivan on Sun Jul 06, 2014 10:34 pm

Tory corruption just becomes more and more blatant. A few months ago, Michael Gove sacked Sally Morgan as head of Ofsted, even though he admitted she was good at her job. Now we hear that David Ross, a multimillionaire Tory party donor and friend of Cameron and Boris Johnson, is in the frame for the job.

Ross comes from a wealthy background - his grandfather became rich from supplying frozen fish and chicken – and he is a former tax exile, playboy and co-founder of Carphone Warehouse. Six years ago, his fortune was estimated at £800 million. He’s donated hundreds of thousands of pounds to the Tories and has held shooting parties for them and their ilk, including Rebekah Brooks.

Ross has a colourful personal history, which includes brushes with the law over financial dealings and prostitutes; in 2010 he was interviewed under police caution after a Lithuanian escort claimed she was assaulted at his house, though she later withdrew the allegation. He had a relationship with a ballerina who worked as a pole dancer at Stringfellows, and they had a son.

Ross is one of an exclusive group of Tory party donors who have established academy chains. Recently the David Ross Education Trust was asked by the DfE to take over Loughborough's largest school, after it was placed in special measures by Ofsted. You might think there could be a conflict of interest in someone who owns schools becoming head of the inspectorate, but the Tories have become too brazen and too arrogant to care about such niceties.

In theory, the appointment process for the Ofsted job is still ongoing and other candidates, such as fellow Tory party donor and academy chain founder Theodore Agnew, are also said to be contenders. I don’t know why the Tories don’t just hold an auction and sell the post to whoever donates the most to their vile, corrupt party.

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Post by Redflag on Mon Jul 07, 2014 9:32 am

The facts you have stated will not surprise many of the voting public Ivan, the Tories are known as giving jobs for the boys, no matter if they have the skills or not to the job well. Just look at what they have done for Lord Beecroft who want "Hire & Fire at Will" for his contributions to the Tory party funds, they seem to forget or are unable to work it out its not money that will win the general election its PEOPLES VOTES that will decide the 2015 general election.
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Post by boatlady on Mon Jul 07, 2014 2:59 pm

The public do seem aware of many of the abuses - but the anger you might expect seems missing - it's as if people have decided this is the kind of world we live in so might as well put up with it and hope a bit of the gravy will flow their way.

I guess the constant right wing spin in the press has something to do with this, also, maybe people are just so exhausted making ends meet and so terrified of the future that they haven't the energy to complain
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Post by oftenwrong on Mon Jul 07, 2014 10:35 pm

Here's another way these things work:
British taxpayers underwrote deals worth £140m by firm based in Cayman Islands

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Post by oftenwrong on Mon Jul 07, 2014 10:41 pm

In similar vein, The privatisation of The Post office could not have taken place whilst the entity had a historical responsibility for the employee Pension Fund, which made it totally unattractive to potential investors. The current administration solved that problem by assigning responsibility to the Taxpayer.

Wasn't that big-hearted of us? Were YOU consulted?

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Post by Redflag on Tue Jul 08, 2014 11:52 am

The answer to your question is a big fat NO OW, but this gov't has done so many things that they did not get the OK from the voting public, so why bother with landing the taxpayer with the pensions of the Royal Mail workers, plus they did not land the friends and Donors to the Tory party with having to pay anything out of their "ILL GOTTEN PROFITS"
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Post by oftenwrong on Sun Jul 13, 2014 12:19 pm

Anthony Paul Bamford, Baron Bamford, DL is a British businessman, Chairman of JCB. He succeeded his father, Joseph Cyril Bamford, as Chairman and Managing Director of JCB in 1975.
In 2010 he was said to be worth £3billion, so £2M donated to the Tory Party would probably just be the change found in a trouser-pocket.
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Post by Ivan on Sun Jul 13, 2014 12:57 pm

Tory child abuse whistleblower: "I supplied underage rent boys for Margaret Thatcher's cabinet ministers"

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Former Conservative activist Anthony Gilberthorpe said he told Margaret Thatcher 25 years ago about what he had witnessed and gave her names of those involved. Trawling seedy streets during a Tory conference, Gilberthorpe says he was asked to find underage rent boys for a private sex party at a top hotel. MPs at that party were said to include Rhodes Boyson and Keith Joseph.

Gilberthorpe says he was a full-time political activist when he helped procure the “youngest and prettiest” boys for several cabinet ministers after being told to find “entertainment”. He claims he was acting on the orders of some of the most senior figures of Thatcher’s government. Gilberthorpe also claims that in 1981 he saw Sir Michael Havers – then attorney general – at a swimming pool party at the Tory conference in Blackpool, where underage boys were encouraged to perform sex acts on several politicians.


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- How reliable is Gilberthorpe? His role in procuring young boys speaks volumes about his character. Why is he speaking up now? Does he hope to get immunity from prosecution if and when the net tightens on any of these Westminster paedophiles who are still alive?

- Whatever anyone may try to tell you on this forum or elsewhere, this is primarily a Tory paedophile scandal. This ring was centred on Thatcher’s government, not Callaghan’s government or Blair’s government.

- According to Gilberthorpe, Michael Havers was present when sex acts were being performed. This re-emphasises the unsuitability of his sister, Elizabeth Butler-Sloss, for the role of heading the investigation into these sordid Tory secrets.
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Post by Phil Hornby on Sun Jul 13, 2014 1:27 pm

There is precious little point in having any enquiry under a Tory Government if the outcome is not guaranteed to be 'safe' for the Evil Brigade.

The current Hornby prediction for the report outcome is :

1. It didn't happen.
2. If it did, it definitely wasn't us...er, I mean any Tory Minister.
3. We've tried hard to dig some dirt on Labour...
4. ..or the LibDems if we are close to May 2015
5. We didn't find any but the Daily Mail have been contacted to dream up something.
6. Who cares anyway?
7.When will the cheque arrive?

Job done...    Shocked
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Post by Redflag on Sun Jul 13, 2014 6:48 pm

I think the evil brigade are a bit late PH, the victims of their evil minds are starting to come forward you should have read today's Sunday Mirror, and from what I have read there is more to come. Scameron will not get away with it this time.
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Post by oftenwrong on Mon Jul 14, 2014 5:49 pm

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The jail sentence handed to former Downing Street spin chief Andy Coulson over phone hacking shows that "no-one is above the law", David Cameron has said.

Unless he says different.
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Post by Ivan on Sat Jul 26, 2014 2:33 pm

Cameron’s Big Society in tatters as charity watchdog launches investigation into claims of government funding misuse

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David Cameron’s flagship Big Society Network is being investigated by the Charity Commission over allegations that it misused government funding and made inappropriate payments to its directors – including a Tory donor. The organisation, launched by Cameron in 2010, was given at least £2.5 million of National Lottery funding and public-sector grants despite having no record of charitable activity. It has now been wound up.

Labour is writing to ask the cabinet secretary to investigate whether political pressure had been applied to give an organisation with close ties to ministers “special treatment”. The Charity Commission is looking into allegations that some of the “restricted funds” given by the Cabinet Office for a childhood obesity project were transferred to pay down the deficit of a linked company. It is also investigating payments made by the charity “for consultancy services” to two directors of the charity and its chair, Martyn Rose. Rose helped set up the Big Society Network and contributed over £54,000 to the 2010 Tory election campaign.

Labour is demanding an inquiry into links between the Big Society Network and senior Tories. Several members of the network’s staff had worked with and for ministers including Michael Gove and Theresa May, and two had stood as Tory candidates. Shadow minister Lisa Nandy said: “It’s bad enough that millions of pounds of public money were squandered, but the connections between these organisations and the Conservative Party are deeply concerning.”


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Post by Redflag on Sat Jul 26, 2014 4:39 pm

oftenwrong wrote:The jail sentence handed to former Downing Street spin chief Andy Coulson over phone hacking shows that "no-one is above the law", David Cameron has said.

Unless he says different.

I am with you on this one OW, I just wonder what sentences the rest of the phone hackers will get ??
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Post by oftenwrong on Sun Jul 27, 2014 12:28 pm

Ivan wrote:Cameron’s Big Society in tatters as charity watchdog launches investigation into claims of government funding misuse

From an article by Oliver Wright:-

No expense spared so long as it's taxpayers' money they are spending.
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Post by Ivan on Sun Jul 27, 2014 12:47 pm

Former rent boy: "I was abused by top Tories then blackmailed to keep quiet"

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“He said if ‘we’ could murder 13 people on the streets of Northern Ireland and get away with it, there would be little trouble in arranging for an accident to befall a member of my family. I was out of my depth.”

A former rent boy caught up in the Westminster sex ring scandal reveals he was blackmailed into being abused by top Tories. He tells how he was snared by two sinister pimps who threatened to send graphic pictures of him to his parents if he tried to flee their clutches. He was even warned his family back home in troubled Northern Ireland would have an “accident” if he refused to have sex with their powerful clients.

He told how as a young man he was plied with booze by Tory MP Charles Irving, who later forced him to have sex in exchange for £30. (Irving died in 1995.) He also had to perform oral sex on a married senior lord in a car – and was “rewarded” with a fountain pen. He attended a sordid house party where two Tories celebrated their first year as MPs by having sex with boys as young as 12, and he also rubbed shoulders at 1970s parties with top Conservatives including Sir Keith Joseph, Sir Rhodes Boyson and Sir Michael Havers.


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Post by oftenwrong on Sun Jul 27, 2014 12:56 pm

Merely a continuance of the everyday routine in a Public School, surely?
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Post by Phil Hornby on Sun Jul 27, 2014 2:10 pm

With most politicians there would be no surprise if something seedy was going on.

And in the case of Tory MPs there would be considerable surprise if nothing seedy was happening.

Trusting Conservative politicians is like expecting a group of schoolboys to look after a plate of jam doughnuts for the Summer Hols...
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Post by Redflag on Sun Jul 27, 2014 6:13 pm

I think that ALL Tory MPs are bent as three bob bits PH, and because there is a Tory gov't in power and there is a general election looming all their nasty deeds will be covered up rather than the scandal come to the public's attention.
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Post by oftenwrong on Sun Jul 27, 2014 10:30 pm

In Spain, (disregarding words unsuitable for a family audience), the worst thing you can say to describe a bad person would be "shameless", which admittedly doesn't sound quite so condemnatory in English though may be because to a Spaniard, personal honour and integrity are paramount.

Accordingly, British Tories fit perfectly inside the description, "sinverguenza" because they are shameless in pretending to be what they are not.

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Post by methought on Mon Jul 28, 2014 2:14 pm

- According to Gilberthorpe, Michael Havers was present when sex acts were being performed. This re-emphasises the unsuitability of his sister, Elizabeth Butler-Sloss, for the role of heading the investigation into these sordid Tory secrets.
Butler-Sloss created a Children's Act that was fit for purpose. She closed the stable door after the horses had bolted. The prosecution of Rolf Harris for historic offences has established case law that will hopefully further its ability to prosecute for offences that occurred before it was in existence. The offences occurred at a time when if a 'rent boy' thought he was going to get £5 for 10 blow jobs, but got paedophiles queuing up to rape him, and if reported it to police, he could expect to be prosecuted for prostitution if he was over the age of criminal responsibility, which still is age 10 in the UK. Or he could be prosecuted for homosexual activity under the age of 21. The Children Act changed that and these top Tories know they will deserve to come under the microscope for the hell they put these children through.

Most were paedophiles who abused boys (Isn't a public school upbringing the perfect preparation for government?) but some, it may transpire, may have abused adopted or step-children. These were all men who were used to having and using power. A child wishing to make a complaint would however have had no support, anonymity or protection and so often the suppliers of 'rent boys' were managers of care homes, who had authority over the children in their care.

Butler-Sloss is the best in the field but she probably could offer her summing up even before the investigation begins since she undoubtedly was in full possession of the facts at the time. I hope she will contribute guidance to the investigation that will ensure no stone is left unturned.
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Post by Phil Hornby on Mon Jul 28, 2014 10:18 pm

So David Ruffley, Tory MP, is stepping down at the 2015 General Election. He apparently assaulted a girlfriend and finds the subsequent media attention intrusive.

He is quoted as saying that he is  " not willing to continue to sustain the unrelenting orchestrated intrusion into my private life".

What an unmitigated creep. He has, presumably, been more than happy to see the media assassinate Miliband and many other Labour politicians in an orchestrated fashion over the past five years and more, and yet squeals when the same thing is ( justifiably) done to him. How typical that this vermin should  find the heat of media attention is just a little too uncomfortable when his shortcomings are brought to public attention.

Accordingly, I have a small farewell message to send him into 'retirement' : Push off you snivelling little rat and don't dare to darken any of our doorsteps again with your brand of Tory hypocrisy - we are heartily sick of you and your poisonous kind.
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That is why no amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party that inflicted those bitter experiences on me. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin. They condemned millions of first-class people to semi-starvation. Now the Tories are pouring out money in propaganda of all sorts and are hoping by this organised sustained mass suggestion to eradicate from our minds all memory of what we went through. But, I warn you young men and women, do not listen to what they are saying now. I warn you they have not changed, or if they have they are slightly worse than they were.

Speech by Aneurin Bevan on 3 July 1948 at the Bellevue Hotel, Blackpool, on eve of the entering into force of the National Health Service.

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Post by boatlady on Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:58 am

Nail - head -bang
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Post by Redflag on Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:46 am

Phil Hornby wrote:So David Ruffley, Tory MP, is stepping down at the 2015 General Election. He apparently assaulted a girlfriend and finds the subsequent media attention intrusive.

What an unmitigated creep. He has, presumably, been more than happy to see the media assassinate Miliband and many other Labour politicians in an orchestrated fashion over the past five years and more, and yet squeals when the same thing is ( justifiably) done to him. How typical that this vermin should find the heat of media attention is just a little too uncomfortable when his shortcomings are brought to public attention.

There are quite a few of the Fib-Dems that are standing down also PH, Ian Swales is one and you will know about Minger Campbell I would like to know how many more will stand down.  I tend to think that Scameron is making them stand down thinking a new face will fool the people of the UK, the saying that comes to mind is "IF HE HAD BRAINS HE WOULD BE DANGEROUS"
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Re: Is this another Tory scandal brewing? (Part 2)

Post by methought on Fri Aug 01, 2014 8:40 am

There could be any number of decent sound-bites for Labour in this collection of horrors. I hope they have some decent tacticians somewhere out of sight - cos we ain't seen nuthin yet....
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Post by Phil Hornby on Fri Aug 01, 2014 9:22 am

Quite so, methought.

It is a constant irritation to me that Labour appear to make no impact on the Tory Menace - despite the wealth of opportunity and material for so doing. When it comes to a propaganda war they are about as effective as a small lad with a bent pop-gun confronting a tank battalion ...
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Post by Redflag on Fri Aug 01, 2014 10:43 am

The best part about that PH is that the Tories hand it to Labour on a platter, there is not a day goes by that material that could be used against the Tories but Labour seeem to be unable to pick up on it.
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Re: Is this another Tory scandal brewing? (Part 2)

Post by bobby on Fri Aug 01, 2014 10:50 am

Where's this Axelrod Geezer?
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Re: Is this another Tory scandal brewing? (Part 2)

Post by Redflag on Fri Aug 01, 2014 6:14 pm

methought wrote:There could be any number of decent sound-bites for Labour in this collection of horrors. I hope they have some decent tacticians somewhere out of sight - cos we ain't seen nuthin yet....

If Ed Miliband shows his hand at the moment methought, Scameron would nick his ideas in the hope that he could nick the Labour voters also so Ed has to tread carefully I think his 2015 Manifesto will please the majority of the UK public.
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