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Post by toty5 on Thu May 01, 2014 9:06 am

the Quran describes how Mary, the mother of Jesus, was approached by an angel from God, bringing her tidings she had never imagined: that she will give birth to a son, a Messiah, who will be of the righteous and will be a prophet of God, calling the Children of Israel (the Israelites) to the straight path of God.
 
“(And mention) when the angels said, ‘O Mary, indeed God gives you good tidings of a word  from Him, whose name will be the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary – distinguished in this world and the Hereafter and among those brought near (to God).  He will speak to the people in the cradle and in maturity and will be of the righteous.” (Quran 3:45-46)
 
Naturally, for Mary, this news was both strange and seemingly impossible.
 
“She said, ‘My Lord, how will I have a child when no man has touched me?’  (The angel) said, “Such is God; He creates what He wills.  When He decrees a matter, He only says to it, ‘Be,’ and it is.  And He will teach him writing and wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel.” (Quran 3:47-48)
 
The very nature of Jesus is so special, that God compares the uniqueness of His creation to that of the first man and prophet, Adam.
 
“Indeed, the example of Jesus to God is like that of Adam.  He created him from dust; then He said to him, ‘Be,’ and he was.” (Quran 3:59)
Jesus and His Miracles
 
Jesus became one of the greatest prophets of God, and was sent to the Children of Israel in order to confirm the teachings of his predecessor, the Prophet Moses.  His birth was a miracle, and, like all prophets of God, he was granted several miracles.  He approached his people, telling them:
 
“And (make him) a messenger to the Children of Israel, (who will say), ‘Indeed I have come to you with a sign from your Lord’ in that I design for you from the clay (that which is) like the form of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird by permission of God.  And I cure the blind (from birth) and the leper, and I give life to the dead – by permission of God.  And I inform you of what you eat and what you store in your houses.  Indeed in that is a sign for you, if you are believers.  And (I have come) confirming what was before me of the Torah and to make lawful for you some of what was forbidden to you.  And I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, so fear God and obey me.  Indeed, God is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him.  That is the straight path.” (Quran 3:49-51)
Jesus’s Followers
 
The Quran continues the story of Jesus by relating several incidents of his life and his disciples.
 
“But when Jesus felt (persistence in) disbelief from them, he said, ‘Who are my supporters for (the cause of) God?’  The disciples said,” We are supporters for God.  We have believed in God and testify that we are Muslims (submitting to Him.)  Our Lord, we have believed in what You revealed and have followed the messenger (i.e., Jesus), so register us among the witnesses (to truth).” (Quran 3:52-53)
 
In another incident, after which an entire surah (chapter) of the Quran is named, the disciples of Jesus asked him for another miracle.
 
“(And remember) when the disciples said, ‘O Jesus, Son of Mary, can your Lord send down to us a table (spread with food) from the heaven?’ (Jesus) said, ‘Fear God, if you should be believers.’  They said, ‘We wish to eat from it and let our hearts be reassured and know that you have been truthful to us and be among its witnesses.’  Said Jesus, the son of Mary, ‘O God, our Lord, send down to us a table (spread with food) from the heaven to be for us a festival for the first of us and the last of us and a sign from You.  And provide for us, and You are the best of providers.’” (Quran 5:112-114)
 
God sent them the table they had asked for, but not without a warning.
 
“God said, ‘Indeed, I will sent it down to you, but whoever disbelieves afterwards from among you – then indeed will I punish him with a punishment by which I have not punished anyone among the worlds.’” (Quran 5:115)
The End of the Story?
 
The story of Jesus never really ends in the Quran, as we are told that Jesus was not killed, but that rather, God raised His beloved prophet up to Him.
 
“(Mention) when God said, ‘O Jesus, indeed I will take you and raise you to Myself and purify (i.e., free) you from those who disbelieve and make those who follow you (in submission to God alone) superior to those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection.  Then to Me is your return, and I will judge between you concerning that in which you used to differ.  And as for those who disbelieved, I will punish them with a severe punishment in this world and the Hereafter, and they will have no helpers.’  But as for those who believed and did righteous deeds, He will give them in full their rewards, and God does not like the wrongdoers.” (Quran 3:55-57)
 
The Quran also points out that Jesus was neither killed nor crucified.  Speaking of the Children of Israel, God faults their accusations against Mary as well as their claim that they killed Jesus.
 
“And (We cursed them) for their disbelief and their saying against Mary a great slander.  And (for) their saying, ‘Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of God.’  And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but (another) was made to resemble him to them.  And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it.  They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption.  And they did not kill him, for certain.  Rather, God raised him to Himself.  And ever is God Exalted in Might and Wise.” (Quran 4:156-158)
 
The Quran confirms that Jesus was raised up by God, and the Prophet Muhammad, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him, reassured us that Jesus will be sent down to earth once again before the Day of Judgment.  In a saying of Prophet Muhammad,  narrated by Abu Hurairah, the Prophet said:
 
“By the One in Whose hand is my self, definitely the son of Maryam will soon descend among you as a just judge, and he will break the cross, kill the pig, and abolish the jizyah (tribute), and wealth will be so abundant that no one will accept it, until a single prostration will be better than the world and everything in it.” (Saheeh Al-Bukhari)
 
 
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Post by Dan Fante on Thu May 01, 2014 9:39 am

Worst quiz question ever.
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Post by bobby on Thu May 01, 2014 11:18 am

“She said, ‘My Lord, how will I have a child when no man has touched me?’ (The angel) said, “Such is God; He creates what He wills. When He decrees a matter, He only says to it, ‘Be,’ and it is. And He will teach him writing and wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel.” (Quran 3:47-48)

Did the Angel say this before or after he pulled up his trousers?
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Post by toty5 on Thu May 01, 2014 4:22 pm

Esteemed and loved by all Muslims and known as a pious and devout woman, Mary, the mother of Jesus was chosen above all other women. Islam rejects the Christian notion that Jesus is part of a trinity that is God, and denies emphatically that either Jesus or his mother, Mary, are worthy of worship. The Quran categorically states that there is no god but God.

“Such is God, your Lord! None has the right to be worshipped but He, the Creator of all things. So worship Him ...” (Quran 6:102)

Muslims are required, however, to believe in and love all of the Prophets, including Prophet Jesus, who holds a special place in the Islamic creed. His mother, Mary, holds a place of honour. As a young woman, Mary went into the House of Prayer in Jerusalem, her entire life dedicated to the worship and service of God.
Mary Hears the News of Jesus

While she was in seclusion from everybody, a man appeared before Mary. God said:

“She screened herself from them; We sent to her Our Spirit, and he appeared before her in the form of a man in all respects.” (Quran 19:17)

Mary was afraid and tried to flee. She appealed to God saying:

“Verily! I seek refuge with the Most Gracious (God) from you, if you do fear God.” The angel said: “I am only a Messenger from your Lord to you, announcing the gift of a righteous son.” (Quran 19:18-19)

Mary was amazed and puzzled by these words. She was not married, rather a virgin who kept chaste. She asked incredulously:

“‘O my Lord! How will I have a son when no man has touched me?’ He said, “So (it will be): for God creates what He wills; when He has decreed something, He says to it only ‘Be’ – and it is.” (Quran 3:47)

God created Adam from the dust of the earth, without either mother or father. He created Eve from Adam's rib; and Jesus, He created without a father, but with a mother, the pious Virgin Mary. God, who has only to say ‘Be’ to a thing in order to bring it into existence,, blew the spirit of Jesus into Mary via the Angel Gabriel.

“And We breathed into it[1] through Our Spirit, and she testified to the truth of the Words of her Lord ...” (Quran 66:12)

Although the stories of Mary in the Quran and in the Bible have many aspects in common, the view that Mary was betrothed or married is totally rejected by Islam. Time passed, and Mary became afraid of what the people around her would say. She wondered how they could possibly believe that no man had touched her. The majority of scholars in Islam agree that the duration of Mary’s pregnancy was normal.[2] Then, as the time came for her to give birth, Mary decided to leave Jerusalem, and travelled towards the city of Bethlehem. Even though Mary must have recalled the words of God, for her faith was strong and unwavering, this young woman was anxious and uneasy. But the angel Gabriel reassured her:

“O Mary, Verily God gives you glad tidings of a word from Him, whose name will be the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary – held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and will be one of those who are near to God.” (Quran 3:45)
Jesus is Born

The pains of childbirth drove her to clutch at the trunk of a date-palm tree and she cried out in anguish:

“Would that I had died before this, and had been forgotten and out of sight!” (Quran 19:23)

Mary delivered her child right there, at the foot of the date tree. She was exhausted after the birth, and filled with distress and fear, but nevertheless she heard a voice calling out to her. .

“Grieve not! Your Lord has provided you a stream of clear water under you; and shake the trunk of palm tree towards you; it will let fall fresh ripe dates upon you. So eat and drink and be glad...” (Quran 19:24)

God provided Mary with water, as a stream suddenly appeared beneath the place she was sitting. He also provided her with food; all she had to do was shake the trunk of the date tree. Mary was scared and frightened; she felt so weak, having just given birth, so how could she possibly shake the immense trunk of a date tree? But God continued to provide Mary with sustenance.

The next event was indeed another miracle, and as human beings we learn a great lesson from this. Mary didn’t need to shake the date tree, which would have been impossible; she only had to make an effort. As she attempted to follow God’s command, fresh ripe dates fell from the tree and God said to Mary: “…eat, drink and be glad.” (Quran 19:26)

Mary now had to take her new born child and go back to face her family. Of course she was afraid, and God knew this well. Thus He directed her not to speak. It would not have been possible for Mary to explain how she had suddenly become the mother of a new born child. Since she was unmarried, her people would not believe her explanations. God said:

“And if you see any human being, say: ‘Verily! I have vowed a fast unto the Most Gracious (God) so I shall not speak to any human being this day.’” (Quran 19:26)

Mary came to her people carrying the child, and they immediately began accusing her; they exclaimed “What have you done? You are from a good family, and your parents were pious.”

As God had directed her, Mary did not speak, she merely pointed to the baby in her arms. Then Jesus, son of Mary, spoke. As a newborn baby, Jesus, the Prophet of God performed his first miracle. By the permission of God he said:

“Verily! I am a slave of God. He has given me the Scripture and made me a Prophet; and He has made me blessed wheresoever I be, and has enjoined on me prayer, and alms, as long as I live, and to be dutiful to my mother, and made me not arrogant, unblest. And peace be upon me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be raised alive!” (Quran 19:30-34)

Mary is referred to in the Quran (5:75) as a siddqa (truthful one) but the Arabic word siddiqa implies more then just speaking the truth. It means that one has achieved a very high level of righteousness. It means that one is truthful, not only with themselves and those around them, but also with God. Mary was a woman who fulfilled her covenant with God, Whom she worshiped with full submission. She was pious, chaste, and devout; the woman chosen above all other women to be the mother of Jesus was Mary, the daughter of Imran


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Post by oftenwrong on Thu May 01, 2014 5:45 pm

I can't help wondering what toty5 thinks of the suggestion that a person's religious conviction depends 90% on where in the World they were born.
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Post by Tosh on Fri May 02, 2014 9:55 am

What man are we talking about?

Hope it is not that lunatic that went about preaching the end of the world was imminent, he was well eh eh.....wrong.
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Post by boatlady on Fri May 02, 2014 10:05 am

nice to see you Tosh
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Post by polyglide on Fri May 02, 2014 10:55 am

The old things have passed away and have no revelance to the present.

We have no idea of all the prevailing conditions etc; at the times in question.

The only thing applicable to the people of today is the belief in Jesus.

Of course where you are born has a great influence on your religion.

However, there is very little of the world that has not been made aware of the birth of Jesus and the choice is there, true religion or false religions.

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Post by oftenwrong on Fri May 02, 2014 12:42 pm

One-and-a-half billion non-Christians will be delighted to hear themselves being described as adherents to a false religion.
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Post by Ivan on Fri May 02, 2014 1:28 pm

Follow those who seek the truth. Beware of those who find it.  Rolling Eyes
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Post by Tosh on Fri May 02, 2014 2:00 pm

boatlady wrote:nice to see you Tosh
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It worries me you can see me, but thanks.
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Post by Dan Fante on Fri May 02, 2014 2:04 pm

oftenwrong wrote:One-and-a-half billion non-Christians will be delighted to hear themselves being described as adherents to a false religion.
They're all false.
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Post by oftenwrong on Fri May 02, 2014 5:20 pm

I thought that was prophets.  Smile 
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Post by stuart torr on Fri May 02, 2014 8:07 pm

I wish my profits spoke to me oftenwrong.
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Post by toty5 on Sat May 03, 2014 8:38 am

oftenwrong wrote:One-and-a-half billion non-Christians will be delighted to hear themselves being described as adherents to a false religion.
 
What is your purpose in life? What is the rationale behind our life? Why do we live in this life? These questions frequently intrigue people who try to find accurate answers.
 
   People provide different answers to these questions. Some people believe the purpose of life is to accumulate wealth. But one may wonder: What is the purpose of life after one has collected colossal amounts of money? What then? What will the purpose be once money is gathered? If the purpose of life is to gain money, there will be no purpose after becoming wealthy. And in fact, here lies the problem of some disbelievers or misbelievers at some stage of their life, when collecting money is the target of their life. When they have collected the money they dreamt of, their life loses its purpose. They suffer from the panic of nothingness and they live in tension and restlessness.
 
   Can Wealth Be an Aim?
 
   We often hear of a millionaire committing suicide, sometimes, not the millionaire himself but his wife, son, or daughter. The question that poses itself is: Can wealth bring happiness to one’s life? In most cases the answer is NO. Is the purpose of collecting wealth a standing purpose? As we know, the five-year old child does not look for wealth: a toy for him is equal to a million dollars. The eighteen-year old adolescent does not dream of wealth because he is busy with more important things. The ninety-year old man does not care about money; he is worried more about his health. This proves that wealth cannot be a standing purpose in all the stages of the individual's life.
 
   Wealth can do little to bring happiness to a disbeliever, because he/she is not sure about his fate. A disbeliever does not know the purpose of life. And if he has a purpose, this purpose is doomed to be temporary or self destructive.
 
   What is the use of wealth to a disbeliever if he feels scared of the end and skeptical of everything. A disbeliever may gain a lot of money, but will surely lose himself.
 
   Worshipping Allah as an Aim
 
   On the contrary, faith in Allah gives the believer the purpose of life that he needs. In Islam, the purpose of life is to worship Allah. The term "Worship" covers all acts of obedience to Allah.
 
   The Islamic purpose of life is a standing purpose. The true Muslim sticks to this purpose throughout all the stages of his life, whether he is a child, adolescent, adult, or an old man.
 
   Worshipping Allah makes life purposeful and meaningful, especially within the framework of Islam. According to Islam this worldly life is just a short stage of our life. Then there is the other life. The boundary between the first and second life is the death stage, which is a transitory stage to the second life. The type of life in the second stage a person deserves depends on his deeds in the first life. At the end of the death stage comes the day of judgment. On this day, Allah rewards or punishes people according to their deeds in the first life.
 
   The First Life as an Examination
 
   So, Islam looks at the first life as an examination of man. The death stage is similar to a rest period after the test, i. e. after the first life. The Day of Judgment is similar to the day of announcing the results of the examinees. The second life is the time when each examinee enjoys or suffers from the outcome of his behavior during the test period.
 
   In Islam, the line of life is clear, simple, and logical: the first life, death, the Day of Judgment, and then the second life. With this clear line of life, the Muslim has a clear purpose in life. The Muslim knows he is created by Allah. Muslims know they are going to spend some years in this first life, during which they have to obey God, because God will question them and hold them responsible for their public or private deeds, because Allah knows about all the deeds of all people. The Muslim knows that his deeds in the first life will determine the type of second life they will live in. The Muslim knows that this first life is a very short one, one hundred years, more or less, whereas the second life is an eternal one.
 
   The Eternity of the Second Life
 
   The concept of the eternity of the second life has a tremendous effect on a Muslims during their first life, because Muslims believe that their first life determines the shape of their second life. In addition, this determines the shape of their second life and this determination will be through the Judgment of Allah, the All just and Almighty.
 
   With this belief in the second life and the Day of Judgment, the Muslim's life becomes purposeful and meaningful. Moreover, the Muslim's standing purpose is to go to Paradise in the second life.
 
   In other words, the Muslim's permanent purpose is to obey Allah, to submit to Allah, to carry out His orders, and to keep in continues contact with Him through prayers (five times a day), through fasting (one month a year), through charity (as often as possible), and through pilgrimage (once in one's life).
 
   The Need for a Permanent Purpose
 
   Disbelievers have purposes in their lives such as collecting money and property, indulging in sex, eating, and dancing. But all these purposes are transient and passing ones. All these purposes come and go, go up and down. Money comes and goes. Health comes and goes. Sexual activities cannot continue forever. All these lusts for money, food and sex cannot answer the individual's questions: so what? Then What?
 
   However, Islam saves Muslims from the trouble of asking the question, because Islam makes it clear, from the very beginning, that the permanent purpose of the Muslim in this life is to obey Allah in order to go to Paradise in the second life.
 
   We should know that the only way for our salvation in this life and in the hereafter is to know our Lord who created us, believe in Him, and worship Him alone.
 
   We should also know our Prophet whom Allah had sent to all mankind, believe in Him and follow Him. We should, know the religion of truth which our Lord has commanded us to believe in, and practice it …
 
Off topic. You started this thread with a question about Jesus, but this post has nothing to do with him. The link was also irrelevant and has been deleted.
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Post by Shirina on Sat May 03, 2014 3:43 pm

toty5 wrote:and wealth will be so abundant that no one will accept it, until a single prostration will be better than the world and everything in it.”

Oh, I'll accept some wealth, and I certainly won't refuse it. Who wants to live in poverty, even after Jesus's supposed return? Screw that.
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Post by Shirina on Sat May 03, 2014 4:04 pm

toty5 wrote:What is your purpose in life? What is the rationale behind our life? Why do we live in this life? These questions frequently intrigue people who try to find accurate answers.

Our purpose is whatever we decide it is. There is no third party telling us what our purpose must be.

One purpose I know I do not have is to enter into a master-slave relationship with a dictatorial deity that loves me without respecting me.

No thanks.

I'll decide my own purpose - assuming we even have a purpose. I never understood why a purpose is even necessary to justify our existence.


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Post by Ivan on Sat May 03, 2014 4:09 pm

Shirina wrote:-
Oh, I'll accept some wealth, and I certainly won't refuse it.
Money can't buy you happiness, but it does bring you a more pleasant form of misery.” (Spike Milligan)
 
Maybe Spike got that wrong:-
 

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmuDd_4CAAAQ8Cy.jpg
 
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Post by bobby on Sat May 03, 2014 4:16 pm

As I always say " Money cant buy you happiness, but it good to be able to chose where to be miserable"
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Post by Tosh on Sat May 03, 2014 6:10 pm

What is your purpose in life?

To invent a purpose.



What is the rationale behind our life?

To avoid the irrational.


Why do we live in this life?

It's the only one we've got.


These questions frequently intrigue people who try to find accurate answers.

Indeed, that is why I ignore religion.
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Post by oftenwrong on Sat May 03, 2014 6:16 pm

"Indeed, that is why I ignore religion."

By debating religious topics on an internet discussion board, Tosh?

Well, nobody's perfect.  Smile 
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Post by Tosh on Sat May 03, 2014 8:20 pm

I ignore religion for accurate answers.

I am perfect.
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Post by moonbeam on Sat May 03, 2014 9:15 pm

toty5 wrote:
 
What is your purpose in life? What is the rationale behind our life? Why do we live in this life? These questions frequently intrigue people who try to find accurate answers.
 
   People provide different answers to these questions. Some people believe the purpose of life is to accumulate wealth. But one may wonder: What is the purpose of life after one has collected colossal amounts of money? What then? What will the purpose be once money is gathered? If the purpose of life is to gain money, there will be no purpose after becoming wealthy. And in fact, here lies the problem of some disbelievers or misbelievers at some stage of their life, when collecting money is the target of their life. When they have collected the money they dreamt of, their life loses its purpose. They suffer from the panic of nothingness and they live in tension and restlessness.
 
   Can Wealth Be an Aim?
 
   We often hear of a millionaire committing suicide, sometimes, not the millionaire himself but his wife, son, or daughter. The question that poses itself is: Can wealth bring happiness to one’s life? In most cases the answer is NO. Is the purpose of collecting wealth a standing purpose? As we know, the five-year old child does not look for wealth: a toy for him is equal to a million dollars. The eighteen-year old adolescent does not dream of wealth because he is busy with more important things. The ninety-year old man does not care about money; he is worried more about his health. This proves that wealth cannot be a standing purpose in all the stages of the individual's life.
 
*major portion cut out as there was no need to quote the entire thing*
 
Off topic. You started this thread with a question about Jesus, but this post has nothing to do with him. The link was also irrelevant and has been deleted.
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Post by Tosh on Sat May 03, 2014 9:45 pm

You tell him Moonbeam, don't let these damn trolls get away with their nonsense. Cool 
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Post by moonbeam on Sat May 03, 2014 10:24 pm

Hi Toshy. Smile

I'd say I'd missed you but I'm not sure it'd be the truth, lol. Well.. maybe I've missed you, but not your antics.

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Post by toty5 on Mon May 05, 2014 10:32 pm

toty5, I have deleted your post in its entirety, as you have completely ignored my warning above about breaking copyright laws. You may not copy and paste as you are. You are to post a small amount and then provide a link to the rest of the article your material is from.

And, you have been told at least twice that this is a discussion forum. That means you are expected to join in the conversation, using your own words - not simply provide someone else's material.

Failure to comply with the forum rules (which were provided by me above) will result in subsequent posts being deleted as this one was.
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Re: Who is this man?

Post by oftenwrong on Mon May 05, 2014 10:43 pm

deja vu, all over again.
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Re: Who is this man?

Post by Dan Fante on Tue May 06, 2014 9:33 am

Had a quick search as I got the distinct feeling totty here was cutting and pasting stuff and lo and behold, I found this post from a few years ago on another forum:
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14789
I don't claim to know the big answers to the meaning of life but I think it's safe to say they aren't found in bombarding every forum you stumble upon with the exact same posts again and again.
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Re: Who is this man?

Post by polyglide on Tue May 06, 2014 2:30 pm

If you have two or more religions that are in conflict with each other, then either there is one true one and the others are or all false or they are all false.
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Re: Who is this man?

Post by toty5 on Tue May 06, 2014 4:53 pm

Post deleted for once again ignoring the rules. Account suspended for 24 hours. Any further violations are likely to result in a longer or maybe permanent ban.
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Re: Who is this man?

Post by Dan Fante on Wed May 07, 2014 10:01 am

polyglide wrote:If you have two or more religions that are in conflict with each other, then  either there is one true one and the others are or all false or they are all false.
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Re: Who is this man?

Post by moonbeam on Wed May 07, 2014 11:31 am

toty5, I don't believe that the words you write are yours- not for a minute. Not counting anything that is from the Quran, your posts don't "read" like they belong to a person. They come off like a lecture. Very cold, factual and mechanical. Let's take this one piece from your very first post as an example.


the Quran describes how Mary, the mother of Jesus, was approached by an angel from God, bringing her tidings she had never imagined: that she will give birth to a son, a Messiah, who will be of the righteous and will be a prophet of God, calling the Children of Israel (the Israelites) to the straight path of God.


When I put that into a google search, it matches the following sites:

http://www.studentawards.com/canlearn/Forum.aspx?g=posts&m=315044
http://www.centerforinquiry.net/forums/viewthread/16505/
http://www.ummah.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-383672.html
http://www.splendidpoint.com/threads/greatest-men-in-the-earth-and-the-sky.2046/
http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthread.php?836007-who-is-this-man
http://community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/43851/30213995/Greatest_men_in_the_earth_and_the_sky

There were many more, but I got bored. I did note that several of these were written by the same person- either a "macoooo" or a "yasoooo".  And the fact that some of those posts were made by the same person still doesn't mean you authored them. It simply means you copied and pasted the same thing all over the place. If those (as well as all the others) were, in fact, you, then all I can say is that you are pushing the Islam agenda way too much. It got you banned from one place that I can see.  

If you wish to continue to post here, then you need to stop putting up these huge "walls of text/lecture" and use the forum as it was intended. TO TALK!
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Re: Who is this man?

Post by moonbeam on Wed May 07, 2014 11:35 am

polyglide wrote:If you have two or more religions that are in conflict with each other, then  either there is one true one and the others are or all false or they are all false.
And that's completely subjective, on an individual basis.

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Re: Who is this man?

Post by Shirina on Wed May 07, 2014 1:45 pm

polyglide wrote:If you have two or more religions that are in conflict with each other, then  either there is one true one and the others are or all false or they are all false.

Now you're catching on.

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Re: Who is this man?

Post by Penderyn on Thu May 08, 2014 3:41 pm

Shirina wrote:
polyglide wrote:If you have two or more religions that are in conflict with each other, then  either there is one true one and the others are or all false or they are all false.

Now you're catching on.

(bolded emphasis mine)
Or they are both true, or they are both partly true, or the elephant has laid an egg on both? I don't see the point of this sort of stuff. These things come from a long time back, and they reflect the way people thought once. Why have we to get involved in these old squabbles?
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Re: Who is this man?

Post by toty5 on Thu May 08, 2014 8:45 pm

The Ten Commandments
(Exodus 12: 1-17 & Deuteronomy 5: 6-21)
Confirmation in the Quran
(Chapter: Verse)

1. Thou shall not take any
God except one God.
1. There is no God except
one God (47:19)

2. Thou shall make no
image of God.
2. There is nothing whatsoever
like unto Him (42:11)

3. Thou shall not use
God's name in vain.
3. Make not God's name an
excuse to your oaths (2:224)

4. Thou shall honor thy
mother and father.
4. Be kind to your parents if one
or both of them attain old age in thy
life, say not a word of contempt nor
repel them but address them in
terms of honor. (17:23)

5. Thou shall not steal.
5. As for the thief, male or female, cut off
his or her hands, but those who repent
After a crime and reform shall be
forgiven by God for God is forgiving
and kind. (5:38 - 39)

6. Thou shall not lie or give
false testimony.
6. They invoke a curse of God if
they lie. (24:7) Hide not the
testimony (2:283)

7. Thou shall not kill.
7. If anyone has killed one person it is as
if he had killed the whole mankind (5:32)

8. Thou shall not commit adultery.
8. Do not come near adultery. It is an
indecent deed and a way for other
evils. (17:32)

9. Thou shall not covet thy neighbors
wife or possessions.
9, Do good to your parents, relatives and
neighbors. (4:36) Saying of the Prophet
Muhammad (P) "One of the greatest sins
is to have illicit sex with your neighbors wife".

10. Thou shall keep the Sabbath holy.
10. When the call for the Friday Prayer is
made, hasten to the remembrance of
God and leave off your business. (62:9)

we muslims believe in the messages that Moses and Jesus brought and you will find the 10 commandements in our Quran, not all in one list, but in parts here and there.. the same moral laws still apply.. what was good for the jews and christians from God are still valid for muslims.. God doesnt change his mind...
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Re: Who is this man?

Post by oftenwrong on Thu May 08, 2014 11:21 pm

Never mind the quality - feel the persistence.
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Re: Who is this man?

Post by Dan Fante on Fri May 09, 2014 10:05 am

If I had as many wives as he did, then I'd be too tired to even look at my neighbour's wife.
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Re: Who is this man?

Post by polyglide on Fri May 09, 2014 10:45 am

No, only one can be true in it's fullness.

The others may use part or of the true one but that is totally irrelevant.
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Re: Who is this man?

Post by eninn on Sat May 10, 2014 4:20 pm

What follows are five lines of reasoning which clarify this subject for us through the Bible itself and thereby allow us to discover the real Jesus.
1.      Jesus Never Calls Himself God
 
The Bible (in spite of being changed and adulterated over time) contains many verses in which Jesus speaks of God as a separate person to himself.  Here are just a few of them:
 
When a man addressed Jesus as “Good Teacher”, he replied “Why do you call me good? No one is good except the one God.’’ [Mark 10]
 
In another instance he says: “I can’t do anything by myself.  Whatever I hear, I judge, and my judgment is just.  I don’t seek my own will but the will of the one who sent me.” [John 5]
 
Jesus speaks of God as a separate being to himself: I’m going up to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.  [John 20]
In this verse he affirms that he was sent by God: This is eternal life: to know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you sent.  [John 17]
 
If Jesus was God he would have told people to worship him, but he did the opposite and disapproved anyone worshipping him: And in vain they worship Me [Matthew 15]
 
If Jesus claimed to be God than there should be hundreds of verses in the Bible which would have mentioned it.  But there is not a single verse in the entire Bible in which Jesus says I am God, worship me.
2.      Jesus as Son and Lord?
 
Jesus is sometimes referred to as ‘Lord’ in the Bible and at other times as ‘Son of God’.  God is called the ‘Father’, so putting these names together it could be claimed that Jesus is the son of God.  But if we look at each of these titles in context we will find that they are symbolic and not to be taken literally.
 
‘Son of God’ is a term used in ancient Hebrew for a righteous person.  God calls Israel his ‘son’: This is what the LORD says: Israel is my oldest son.[Exodus 4].  Also, David is called the ‘Son of God’: The LORD has said to Me, ‘You are My Son, Today I have begotten You.’ [Psalm 2].  In fact anyone who is righteous is referred to as God’s ‘son’: All who are led by God’s Spirit are God’s sons and daughters.  [Romans 8].
 
In the same way, when the word ‘Father’ is used to refer to God it shouldn’t be taken literally.  Instead it’s a way of saying God is the creator, sustainer, cherisher etc.  There are many verses for us to understand this symbolic meaning of the word ‘Father’, for example: one God and Father of all.  [Ephesians 4].
 
Jesus is sometimes called ‘Lord’ by the disciples.  ‘Lord’ is a term used for God and also for people who are held in high esteem.  There are many examples of the word ‘Lord’ being used for people in the Bible: So they (Joseph’s brothers) went up to Joseph’s steward and spoke to him at the entrance to the house.  “We beg your pardon, our lord,” they said.  [Genesis 43-20].  Also, in other parts of the Bible, Jesus is even called a ‘servant’ of God by the disciples: the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus.  [Acts 3].  This clearly shows that when ‘Lord’ is used to refer to Jesus, it is a title of respect not of divinity.
3.      The Nature of Jesus
 
The nature of Jesus was totally different to that of God.  There are many parts of the Bible that highlight this difference in nature:
 
God is All-Knowing but Jesus by his own admission was not All-Knowing.  This can be seen in the following passage when Jesus says “But nobody knows when that day or hour will come, not the heavenly angels and not the Son.  Only the Father knows.” [Matthew 24]
 
God is independent and he doesn’t need sleep, food or water.  Jesus however ate, drank, slept and depended on God: As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father.  [John 6].  Another sign of Jesus’ dependence on God is that he prayed to God: Going a little farther, he (Jesus) fell with his face to the ground and prayed [Matthew 26].  This shows that Jesus himself sought help from God.  God, being the one who answers prayers does not need to pray to anyone.  Also, Jesus said: I am going to the Father, because the Father is greater than me.  [John 14].
 
The Bible is clear that God is unseen and is not a man: for no one may see me and live.  [Exodus 33], God is not a man [Numbers 23].  Jesus on the other hand was a man who was seen by thousands of people, so he could not be God.  Furthermore, the Bible makes it clear that God is too great to be inside his creation: But how could God possibly live on earth with people? If heaven, even the highest heaven, can’t contain you [2 Chronicles 6:18].  According to this verse Jesus cannot be God living on the earth.
 
Also the Bible calls Jesus a Prophet [Matthew 21-11], so how could Jesus be God and be God’s Prophet at the same time? That wouldn’t make sense.
 
Additionally the Bible informs us that God does not change: I the Lord do not change.  [Malachi 3].  Jesus however went through many changes in his life such as age, height, weight etc.
 
These are just some of the proofs within the Bible, which make it clear that the nature of Jesus and God is completely different.  Some people may claim that Jesus had both a human and a divine nature.  This is a claim that Jesus never made, and is in clear contradiction to the Bible which maintains that God has one nature.
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