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Post by ssocialdrummer on Fri May 09, 2014 7:29 pm

So Cameron wants to introduce legislation to force unions to have strike ballots that show a return for industrial action based on a majority of those entitled to vote. Does any one happen to know what the Tory majority at the last election was? - of course there wasn't one, if this were to be implemented for votes with respect to MPs then no MP would ever be elected. It is of course an attempt to be 'populist 'and aimed primarily at public sector unions where union organisation is still fairly strong. Odd that the trust people have for unions has actually grown recently whilst that for politicians has diminished.

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Re: Union ballots

Post by Redflag on Sat May 10, 2014 7:56 am

Your on the button there SD, Davy boy is trying to find any way he can to get rid of the Unions for good so that his mates in big business do not have to pay the minimum wage and to stop the rise in calls for the living wage.
 
Anybody with sense will join a Union if they are not in one already in one, for their own protection of their jobs and conditions because if the UK is stupid enough to give the Tories another term in 2015, whoever is last out turn off the lights in the UK.
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Post by oftenwrong on Sat May 10, 2014 3:42 pm

It's not exactly a "new" idea. The Conservatives are also conservative with a small "c" and they don't like to waste any of Maggie's good ideas. She had realised that Trade Unions were very vulnerable in the wallet, in the 1970s, so the threat of swingeing High Court fines could be swift and effective. Like it or not, Unions could not afford to continue along the road of wildcat strikes or flying pickets.

An employee is still legally able to withdraw his/her labour in furtherance of an industrial dispute, but if that is to be organised by a Trade Union, they have to follow the legal process or risk being wiped-out by Court fines. To a large extent this falls under the category of self-inflicted injury following events like the three-day week and Winter of discontent episodes of the 1960s and 1970s.

A Historical commentary can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Robinson_(spokesman)
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Post by Penderyn on Sat May 10, 2014 3:50 pm

Those who really wage class war never speak of it, quite. No strike should ever be declared on a vote less than the tory proportion of the whole entitled electorate, perhaps - and, of course, if it exceeds that, its demands should be conceded without argument! Ideology is a fascinating subject. I have been reading the Times recently: talk about a study in scarlet: Bloody total bilge!
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Post by oftenwrong on Sat May 10, 2014 7:53 pm

Most people know that the system we know as "Democracy" originated in Classical Greece. "The People" governed themselves by assembling in the "Agora", the town's large open public space, debating all proposed Laws amongst themselves before staging a vote, by which the majority prevailed..... From which a separate problem emerged. A "Minority" (of up to 49%) who disagreed with the decision of the voting majority, were simply told, tough shit Mate!

Despite the passage of several thousand years we still haven't resolved that dichotomy.... and a political party can gain control in Westminster with 40% of the popular vote. But its name is still democracy.
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Post by oftenwrong on Wed May 21, 2014 7:20 pm

Today's headline news is of the Home Secretary being beastly to The Police. The Police Federation was a government construct, designed to accommodate the agreement that policemen could not go on strike. Now that membership is to be voluntary, there will presumably be different problems down the line, and perhaps even a move towards TUC membership. That should interest the Labour Party, shouldn't it?

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Post by astradt1 on Wed May 21, 2014 8:27 pm

My thinking on this issue is that the Police Federation has just bent over and allowed themselves to be Royally Sh*fted by May, and all for £200,000.

As you say I wonder how many member will now be thinking about have a break away union, a bit like the one so dearly love by the Blasted Margaret....UDMW...in Nottinghamshire.
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Post by boatlady on Wed May 21, 2014 8:43 pm

Police strikes --- now there's a scary idea!!
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Post by jackthelad on Wed May 21, 2014 9:07 pm

The police won't join a union, I believe they are all Free Masons, you know, the people with the funny handshake. Anyway if the did go on strike and have a picket line, then the government should let the Miners tackle them just like police did with the miners, only trouble is, there is not has many miners about today. But I do know they would just love to have revenge and pay back some of the kicking they gave to the miners. Very Happy 
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Post by stuart torr on Fri Oct 10, 2014 1:41 pm

Also the kick in to those that stood with them jack, went to stay with my uncles in south elmsall nr Barnsley and Ponte.
As some of them came to help us later when we came out in hospitals, limited as we had to keep all the right staff on to keep it safe for the patients.
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Post by stuart torr on Fri Oct 10, 2014 1:45 pm

The pigs won't go on strike ever, they love their work too much in the first place.
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Post by Redflag on Mon Oct 20, 2014 11:42 am

When there getting away with murder Stuart no wonder they will not come out on strike against this Tory led gov't
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Post by stuart torr on Mon Oct 20, 2014 12:02 pm

Exactly Redflag, then try to be your friends when you see them on their rounds two faced bleeders.
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Post by Ivan on Mon Oct 20, 2014 6:10 pm

Under the Police Act of 1996, it's illegal for police officers to go on strike.
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Post by stuart torr on Mon Oct 20, 2014 9:07 pm

Well there you go Ivan, that was one thing that I did not know had been bought in, which government Blairs was that?
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Post by Ivan on Mon Oct 20, 2014 9:14 pm

1996 was John Major's last full year in office. In those days, the Tories were getting embroiled in sleaze and scandals, working themselves into a lather about the EU and losing by-elections.

The more things change, the more they stay the same. Rolling Eyes
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Post by stuart torr on Mon Oct 20, 2014 9:34 pm

piers merchant and an affair with the 17year old anna cox, arms to Iraq affair to name but two Ivan, the tory party was well and truly under the cosh were they not. Laughing
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