Is David Cameron a moron from the outer reaches of the universe? (Part 2)

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boatlady wrote:The face I want to kick

 
Get into the queue boatlady, there are a few million others awaiting to do more than kick him in the face, some would want to hang up up by his B****CKS, myself I would rather like to force him to do a REAL hard days work like cleaning public toilets with a toothbrush  

boatlady wrote:Let's try to keep it civil, eh?

I am not sorry boatlady, marcolucco come on to a left wing forum looking for SUCKERS to vote Tory or even bigger SUCKERS to vote SNP. Just to let evey one know I am the PROUD CARD CARRYING Labour party member and always will be, and I neither voted for Ed Miliband or Jermy Corbyn but the majority of the Labour party did, and I except that the majority win just as if it was in the bloody general election. All on this forum know what I did on the run up to the G.E 2015 and will do the same for Jermy Corbyn so far he is the only Labour leader that is not Tory LITE no wonder we are now down from 258 (in 2010) to 232 in 2015, because I went around went to Hallam Sheffield Carlisle & Wirral West I heard on doorsteps why should I vote for Labour when all I will get is Tory Lite.

Thanks, boatlady. Though it is nobody's concern but mine I voted Labour and have not the slightest wish to encourage people to vote Tory or, God forbid, SNP. My post was intended to be humorously friendly but was sadly misconstrued; semel morsus as Caesar would say.... regards.

Marcolucco from what you have been saying I did not find any of it JOKEY, if you are a Labour voter YOU should of known better. Most of us on this forum are left leaning and along with myself love a JOKE with the Tories in power WE need it.

All your posts say to me is you are taking the P**S out of JC, believe me he does not need it the right wing media have been doing that since within the first hour that 60% (right across the board) of Labour party members voted for him as leader.

I did not agree with the outcome of the general election, but I have to ACCEPT it maybe you think I should complain to the Electoral Commission about the results and tell them I want a re-run of the G.E because I did not vote Tory.

I bet he does want us to forget just what he wanted us to back in 2013, he even wants us to forget all the promises he made before the last general election its time we started to hold all politicians to there promises that are made before any election..

I wonder what Dave is thinking now that it is being reported that Hollande is going to ask Assad's Syrian Army to assist in France's fight against Daesh.......

I bet what ever it is that Davy boy is thinking it is not very nice astadt, some people have forgot what he said of Hollande when he won the election in France all the left wing SNIDE remarks he could think of.

Some people forget just how "TWO FACED" Davy boy and the Tories are, the only reason he has anything nice to say about Hollande is he has given him the something he was looking for to take peoples mind off what the Tories are doing to the economy of the UK remember Thatchers Falklands war if it had not been for that she would have been out of No10 on her ear voted out by the public.

"I wonder what Dave is thinking now that it is being reported that Hollande is going to ask Assad's Syrian Army to assist in France's fight against Daesh....."

He's probably thinking it's not too late to make the right decision. He's also thinking, perhaps, that it would be nice if Turkey weren't an embarrassment to NATO. Whatever he's thinking his thoughts will be closer to reality than Corbyn's... if Corbyn has thoughts.

Jermy Corbyn has more thoughts in his little finger than the entire Tory party has in its head, if you take a look at Iraq Afginistan and Libya the state they are in today a breeding ground for Daesh.

Cameron needs to bring forward the plan for after all the bombs have been dropped and Daesh have been ANNILILATED, then comes the problem of fighting the Radicalization of Islamists. Get the entire middle east into a more peacefull state so the likes of Daesh will not rear its ugly head again.

Cameron is a PR man with no idea in his head but to please the very rich in whatever way he can while still fooling the mugs into voting for him.   I assume he hopes vaguely that the Yanks and Zionists will kill all the Muslims on earth.    About his mark!

Why is Cameron bothered about Corbyn and Labour's voting intentions?

Hasn't he enough Tory votes for a majority? And if not , why not?

Faced with any Labour Government expectation that support would be forthcoming from its Opposition, I am sure that Cameron and his gruesome brigade would be doing all they could to undermine them on any issue.

Accordingly , it is the height of optimism ( and arrogance )on Cameron's part to imagine that assistance will be available from those whom he has kicked so mercilessly in the past...

Phil Hornby wrote:Why is Cameron bothered about Corbyn and Labour's voting intentions? ....

.... it is the height of optimism ( and arrogance )on Cameron's part to imagine that assistance will be available from those whom he has kicked so mercilessly in the past...

and whom he mercilessly ridicules in time-honoured public school fashion at every opportunity, but will then say something like, "I don't know why you won't support me, I've always liked you."

With regards to his courtship of Labour MPs, Cameron has proven himself to be a sycophantic opportunist and these MPs would do well to remember that.

Why is Cameron bothered about Corbyn and Labour's voting intentions?

Cameron only has a parliamentary majority of 12 (effectively 16, because Sinn Féin MPs never turn up), and it's thought that about 20 Tories are opposed to bombing Syria. Furthermore, Fallon has said that the government wants "a substantial majority" if it is to proceed.

Any Labour MP who is tempted to listen to Cameron's pleas should remember how he stitched up Brown and Darling over the Scottish referendum, only to announce his plans for EVEL on the morning after the poll.

Faced with any Labour Government expectation that support would be forthcoming from its Opposition, I am sure that Cameron and his gruesome brigade would be doing all they could to undermine them on any issue.

I am lost in the complexities of this stunningly clever thesis.

The greater moron, Corbyn, doesn't command the support or the respect of his party. That is hardly a problem for the Tories.

"and whom he mercilessly ridicules" Yes I agree with you that Corbyn is pathetic, an object of ridicule and possibly for this reason Cameron likes him because his task is made ten times easier having a REAL moron as opposition leader. Corbyn enjoys the support from those who pity an injured kitten as well as from the brain-dead. Speaking of whom, I see Red Ken has put his foot in it again, making disparaging remarks about our troops. Of course he's a pal of loony Corbyn - so why would one expect sense from him?

Claudine wrote:With regards to his courtship of Labour MPs, Cameron has proven himself to be a sycophantic opportunist and these MPs would do well to remember that.

A sycophant ingratiates himself to those above him; Cameron is Prime Minister. The Labour MPs, being able to think in a more lucid way than their disastrous leader, have no option but to support Cameron when Cameron is right. What they WILL remember is the nightmare period when Corbyn and company ruined their party. The nightmare won't last for too long - Benn is waiting in the wings.

I'm well aware of what I said and what I meant, marco.

Claudine wrote:I'm well aware of what I said and what I meant, marco.

It's not simply a question of being aware that you've said something, Claudine: that's pretty easy for most of us. You will remember that Alice pondered over saying what she meant and meaning what she said. Wonderland is relevant when we talk of Corbyn. Of course I am delighted to hear that you intended to say what your words conveyed to me. Successful communication is one of life's joys.

While you're busy peering into the rabbit hole and deciphering and pontificating over what I really meant, I'm going to bed.

Goodnight, marco.

" Successful communication is one of life's joys. "

"pontificating" (from pontifex, a priest who was originally a "bridge builder" between the civilised Romans and the barbarous tribes) is rather too strong a compliment, Claudine. Like you I struggle sometimes over the meaning of words and this is perhaps a weakness when we try to understand what Mr. Corbyn is saying. We can so easily read triumph for disaster. Go well.

This thread is intended for discussion of the moronic tendencies of David Cameron. Just saying.

Ivan wrote:This thread is intended for discussion of the moronic tendencies of David Cameron. Just saying.

Perhaps Ivan marcolucco is try to make us take our eye of the BALL , ie Davy boy and the Tories with the scandal of there campaingning that caused a young man committ suicide, or the fact that Osborne & IDS on there determination to make the poor pay for the Bankers & hedge fund managers greed in 2008. What people do not grasp is that insted of losing £1,300 in there tax credits under Universal credits they will lose £1,600 talk about pulling the wool over the eyes of the people is this what marcolucco is doing who needs enemies when we have marcolucco.

Gideon Osborne is the master of smoke-and-mirrors explication, Redflag, but was always bound to have imitators!

"This thread is intended for discussion of the moronic tendencies of David Cameron."
AND his extra-terrestrial provenance? We mustn't drift into intelligent conversation. I wonder which bit of the galaxy we would find moronic life? It is certainly in evidence here, but why should we boast a monopoly? Maybe Corbyn is an alien who has been sent from the outer reaches to combat Cameron's lunacy with his own brand. Who knows?

What is this marcolucco are you saying you believe in the "SHYTE DRIVEL & DOWN RIGHT LIES" that the right wing media print & say with the OK from Tory HQ.

Apparently, our Prime Minister has accused any MP daring to vote against him tomorrow of being a 'terrorist sympathiser'.

This sort of arrogant stance is typical of him and the slur against Corbyn is disgraceful - remember that he labelled the Labour leader as a terrorist sympathiser at the Conservative conference earlier this year.

There is a large section of the public against the airstrikes in Syria and if he looks across Westminster tonight, he can see them.

Cameron's hubris in this and other things will not be forgotten.

Corbyn is right on Syria, was right on tax credits, and is right on many other issues.

I really wish the PLP would support Corbyn and realise he is steadily winning his battles against Cameron and the tories. His critics - the Guardian included, do nothing but cast malicious slurs on his character and entirely ignore what he says and what his arguments are. This is the first time Labour have actually lived up to the name opposition party for a long time, and it would be a big mistake to let the Labour moderates (tory lite careerists without principles who would do little different to what the present government are doing) oust Corbyn. Be patient the Tories are steadily screwing up and when that reaches a head the electorate will realise alternatives are needed.

Don't be fooled by the media spite towards Corbyn......it's all innuendo designed to smear the man and, like I say, very little of it pays any regard to what he actually says - and when it does it takes it out of context to suit their anti-Corbyn agenda. And don't forget the media, the establishment, and many Labour MPS are quite happy to maintain the status quo - they're comfy with the way things are and don't want change.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/dec/01/cameron-failed-show-bombing-syria-isil-work-jihadist

All Cameron is doing is what any self-respecting petulant bully would do.

If he doesn't get total approval for his plans, any opponent must be labelled in the most vicious terms - that is the nature of the man and what he is.

They didn't invent the word 'despicable' for nothing...

Claudine wrote:our Prime Minister has accused any MP daring to vote against him tomorrow of being a 'terrorist sympathiser'.

Cameron is an absolute disgrace. This was a disgusting comment and despicable attempt to bully mps into voting to bomb Syria.

I hope the press / media slate him for this odious remark........although I doubt it - they're more bothered about studiously trawling over what Corbyn says, cherry picking a snippet, twisting it out of context, and using it as an excuse to slander him.

Dave will have a hard-on as he stands at the despatch box tomorrow, poised to emulate the sainted Margaret by launching a military attack thousands of miles away that will result in fifteen years of continuous Tory government.

Not even a PMQ to ruffle his statesmanlike composure.

Funny how we find the money to fund attacking Syria.......thought we were meant to be watching the pennies?

Who knows how much this folly will end up costing? It could drag on for years.

Still, I suppose a modern day PM doesn't really make the grade unless they can include 'bombing, war, and the deaths of innocent civilian casualties' on their curriculum vitae.


...on the plus side: this might end up keeping Chilcott on £790 per day for a good while yet - once another inquiry gets under way.

Claudine wrote:This sort of arrogant stance is typical of him and the slur against Corbyn is disgraceful - remember that he labelled the Labour leader as a terrorist sympathiser at the Conservative conference earlier this year.

It is nearly impossible to slur Corbyn - he has done it too well himself. What remains to be said? And yes, he IS a terrorist sympathiser. The "large section of the public" (to which you belong) is a minority and one hopes that democracy will prevail. Too often those who scream loudly are given some attention instead of being laughed at.
Cameron isn't displaying hubris in any known sense of the word. Those who won't forget will quickly be forgotten.

"Still, I suppose a modern day PM doesn't really make the grade unless they can include 'bombing, war, and the deaths of innocent civilian casualties' on their curriculum vitae."

To put the record straight, Cameron didn't murder people in Paris. If he sat back and did nothing condemnation would be louder. The way ISIS moves there will be many more casualties near home and doubtless there will be individuals ready to blame Cameron for that, too. Thank God the people who sing from your hymn sheet didn't get their way in 1939. O to be starry eyed!

marcolucco,

Well said.

marco

...only an idiot would compare the situation with Syria and ISIS with the situation in Europe in 1939. Wouldn't you agree?

In the late 1930s, the British government knew who the enemy was. It didn't decide after two years that it would like to attack a different side in the conflict.

Rather than bombing Syria, perhaps a better course of action would be if this outrage was stopped:-


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVGcecgWsAASuM2.jpg

Ivan

Are you suggesting Mr. Cameron is a 'terrorist sympathiser'.

It's a fair question - any organisation like Daesh has to be getting funding from somewhere and an effective counter-measure would be to trace the supply lines and try to interrupt them.
I believe that was one of the measures used to try and manage the IRA attacks and has been a classic response to any guerrilla organisation throughout history.
Without wanting to get into conspiracy theories, it's hard to ignore the fact that the existence of a large and expanding arms industry does tend to put more weapons into the market place where they can be acquired by Daesh and to look into the supply lines that may be involved. For some reason, you never hear Cameron talking about that - with him it's all about the bombs and the opportunity to strike rather ridiculous warlike poses.
If that makes me a terrorist sympathiser, so be it.
Oh, and bombing civilian populations isn't going to solve anything but will help Daesh recruit yet more hate crazed young men who will behead and destroy in the name of the strange version of Islam they pretend to espouse.

Who was it said - if you don't learn from history you are doomed to endlessly repeat it? (No apology for the split infinitive)