Is this another Tory scandal brewing? (Part 1)

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Justice minister stripped of powers

Ken Clarke to take charge after Djanogly failed to declare family interest in claims management companies

The justice minister, Jonathan Djanogly, has been stripped of his responsibility to regulate firms that "ambulance chase" the public following a Guardian investigation that revealed how he and his family could profit from controversial changes to legal aid he was piloting in parliament.

Djanogly, the heir to a £300m family business, had failed to declare that his teenage children were minority shareholders in his brother-in-law's businesses – two firms that advertise claims and are part of an industry that Djanogly regulated in government.

Do you get the feeling that after each Revelation about members of this government you just have to shout NEXT

bobby. We've known each other a long time, nobody called you puerile or childish, and in fact nobody was named at all. I passed on a piece of advice from a fellow Labour Party member which was intended to make our postings look more serious and sensible.

I can't actually imagine what anyone hopes to achieve when they change 'Blair' to 'Bliar', about ten years after someone first thought of doing so. Does the poster really think if he or she writes Bliar, everyone will roll on the floor laughing and think how original, clever and witty they are? Don't they realise it's more likely to elicit either a yawn or a groan, rather like the Tory lie of "it's all Labour's fault" produces these days?

As I started the thread about velvet glove fascism, you will be well aware that I share your view that this government is extremely right-wing and dangerously so. It was reported on Twitter earlier that the government has given the police permission to enter properties and tear down anti-Olympics posters. What next? Will Labour material be torn out of windows at the next election?

You carry on posting anything you want which is legal, and which doesn't insult other members, and nobody will consider banning you. For the record, I don't ban people anyway, that only happens if at least three of Shirina's team of moderators decide on it. Long before that would be considered, messages would be edited and warnings issued.

I apologise for taking this thread off topic again.

Does the poster really think if he or she writes Bliar, everyone will roll on the floor laughing and think how original, clever and witty they are?

Sadly, I must bow my head in shame and admit that I did find "Bliar" amusing ... as well as some of the other ones. Even calling Obama "Obamanation" was kind of funny, and I support Obama!

Seriously, though doing it here and there is fine, I think, but doing it every single time the name is mentioned, well, that's a bit excessive and could be considered taunting and baiting. I'm not going to chew anyone out for doing it, but try to be at least moderately polite to the opposition.

Sadly Ivan, you've a long way to go to make the comments here sound sensible and/or serious. Way too much fawning over one particular class that unfortunately is no longer in existence. Modern day politics exists solely for the Political Class that have no knowledge of life as it affects the working person. Until change happens at the grass roots (of which ever party you follow) then sickchips theories rule,at least he detests all of them equally even though he would like to see a true labour party (bloody hell even I want to see a Labour Party). On the bright side I'm nicking a day off of work and waiting for a delivery so all is well(ish) where I am.

Shirina. I haven't heard 'Obamanation' before, so yes, I find it quite funny. I also liked 'Camerkozy economics' when used to describe the dead-end austerity policies of Cameron and Sarkozy. 'Bliar' probably sounded amusing to you on the first occasion, but when you've had to suffer it for about ten years from virtually every Tory poster who attacks Blair, it becomes excruciating and makes me think that the poster is a moron.

In fact, it reminds me of when I attended the birthday party of a very young relative some years ago. The young man gave us his rendering of "happy birthday to you, squashed tomatoes and stew" several dozen times in the course of an hour. But at least he had an excuse, he was five.

Sorry Ivan did not know where to put this so I decided this would a more appropriate place, It has just been announced that Strathclyde police have arrested Andy Coulson for PERJURY concerning the Tommy Sheridan case the man served 3 years in prison thanks to Coulson and others testimony, just wondering if Leveson will have him brought back to the inquiry to see if he has done the same there when he gave his evidence?

Now I wonder if this is another Tory scandal brewing since Scam..er.on gave him a job within No10 and did not have him vetted properly.

Sorry Ivan, didn't know where to put this. It's been announced that 2 senior Mirror editors have been sacked today. Does that mean they'll have to go back to the Leveson enquiry to see if they told the truth back in January?

It would be nice to have a moratorium on "joke" spellings after a statutory interval of, say, three months. Let's abandon Bliar, *kingBrown, Amerika, Liebour, Camercon (particularly him) and grow up, shall we?

You might also consider not saying picture-skew any more. Thank you.

How many of us have as many alleged serious criminals in our circle of close friends as Cameron?

Let's abandon Bliar

I wonder if the relatives of a certain Dr. Kelly are so forgiving.

tlttf wrote:Sorry Ivan, didn't know where to put this. It's been announced that 2 senior Mirror editors have been sacked today. Does that mean they'll have to go back to the Leveson enquiry to see if they told the truth back in January?

I would have thought that a good tory would understand that the two editors have been made REDUNDANT not sacked or are they the same thing?

If they are the same thing then all this talk by comapanies about cutting workers by redundancy is wrong or just a soft/nice way of saying they had been SACKED.........

Not sure about you asradt1, but if you've been escorted from the building without being allowed back into your office, then I'd think sacked. If in your wisdom you believe that makes them redundant fine. Oh and the mirror forgot to pay them redundancy payment as well.

Your mildly obsessed with me being a tory, the reality is the 3 main parties are all much of the same (soppy liberals). Please remember my politics areto the right of Ghenghis Khan and slightly left of Attila the Hun.

tlttf wrote:Sorry Ivan, didn't know where to put this. It's been announced that 2 senior Mirror editors have been sacked today. Does that mean they'll have to go back to the Leveson enquiry to see if they told the truth back in January?

You are one of the NASTY TORIES tittf, of course you know nothing about good manners in fact that is one word that does not exists in any Tories vocabulary when you see Scam..er..on behaving like a child having in a tantrum because it can not get its own way in the H.O.C.

As for the two senior staff of the Daily Mirror have been made REDUNDANT because of changes within the paper going to a seven day printing, as for my apology to Ivan that was just in case he had to move my post, which makes you an IGNORANT BACKSTUD.

Everyone knock it off with the name-calling.

You're free to piss and moan about Tories and Labour to your heart's content, but when it devolves into insulting each other instead, that's when the mean and nasty moderators have to step in. Like right now.

Does the poster really think if he or she writes Blair

Ivan, I call the creature a liar coz that's wot I THINK he is.

Back in 1995 when a certain person was going round meetings in the North, he was spouting all kinds of things that he WOULD do . . . . Dual the A1 to Berwick upon Tweed (more deaths this week to add to the littany described on the message boards every 10 miles), he was going to help Grandparents watch the kids when mum and dad are at work, he was going to help the industry here (easiest way to do that is to open up the road and rail networks). "I will put life back in the North East!"

I remember my colleagues saying this guy was a "breath of fresh air" and "being a northeasterner, the north will get something now!"

Tone was quite content to ride this majic carpet for all it was worth, he didn't arf stir up the populace.

Then what happened?

He got to number 10, and as soon as the limelights hit him he was off on his own pleasure circus, leaving the north to fester.
I do not have to remind you about his smart arsed statement on andrew marr's programme! (he stated he did nothing for the North incase he was accused of favouratism!! If he just said - OK I forgot about them with all the other things that were going on, that would have been bad enough - but he would have admitted he was human)
Then Gordon Brown came along, whoopeee!
All his donations to India? The GIVING of the last floating dry dock on the TYNE to India - was it sent to the Forth, Clyde, Barrow in Furness where is could be utilised for our benefit? NAH Don't get medals and brownie points on the world stage for that! Do they?

There is plenty more about blair I could write from his times here leading up to 1997 but I will resist the temptation

I do not like him or what he actually stands for (which is far far removed from what he SAYS he stands for) and I will never ever fawn to him. Being a Scot I call a spade a spade and if calling your Anthony names makes me a "moron" then so mote it be!

Not sure about you asradt1, but if you've been escorted from the building without being allowed back into your office, then I'd think sacked. If in your wisdom you believe that makes them redundant fine. Oh and the mirror forgot to pay them redundancy payment as well.

tlttf. That's rubbish. I knew someone who was made redundant, along with several dozen others, at Sun Alliance. They were told the news when they arrived at work, given a cardboard box to put their belongings in, and all were escorted to and from their desks and off the premises. No doubt the firm was frightened of them spreading dissent or doing something on their computers to damage the business before they left. I got the impression it was standard procedure.

Yesterday, a new chairman took control of the Trinity Mirror group. Like the group’s main rival, ‘The Sun’, Mirror group has decided to have one paper for seven days a week, and they’ve appointed Lloyd Embley from ‘The People’ to edit it. The editors of the two old papers have been sacked, with these words: “Both Richard and Tina leave with our best wishes for the future and our thanks for the extremely valuable contribution they have made to the Daily Mirror and Sunday Mirror during their tenure as respective editors.”
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/424d765c-aa3d-11e1-8b9d-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1wMTL9aRk

As they were only sacked this morning, to say that they’re not being paid redundancy money is no doubt just another fantasy. How would you know at this point in time? I’m sure they will be paid, or receive remuneration for the remainder of their contracts; if not, there will be a cast iron case for unfair dismissal.

They won’t be recalled to the Leveson Inquiry, as their dismissal has no relevance whatsoever to it. This isn’t a political scandal, and this yarn has no place on a thread designated to the many and ever increasing Tory scandals, but once again you’re determined to try and divert the discussion. Don't be surprised if any future attempts by you to disrupt these threads with irrelevancies and lies – classic troll behaviour - are deleted without further comment, because I’ve wasted enough time on you and your antics.

Getting back to the subject under discussion, Coulson – Cameron’s right-hand thug when he entered Downing Street – has been arrested and taken to Scotland on suspicion of committing perjury at the trial of Tommy Sheridan in 2010. That’s the relevant news story which you’re so desperately trying to hide.

This isn’t a political scandal, and this yarn has no place on a thread designated to the many and ever increasing Tory scandals, but once again you’re determined to try and divert the discussion. Don't be surprised if any future attempts by you to disrupt these threads with irrelevancies and lies – classic troll behaviour - are deleted without further comment, because I’ve wasted enough time on you and your antics.

Is that it then Ivan, I say something that upsets you, hence my view isn't valid?
You've wasted your time on me, arrogant so&so. As you say lets see what pans out. For your benefit I am not nor ever have been a TROLL. If you don't like what I say your more than welcome to ignore it, as I do yours, please don't patronise as I'm a wee bit too old to take notice.

If I upset you too much and if it makes you feel better, then I'll gladly leave the forum, just don't talk down to me.

If you take a moment to read your last 20 posts Ivan you'll see that your output though normally strange is becoming rather totalitarian and if that's what drives the labour party I'm glad I'm not part of them.

Delete or don't, your option Ivan.

Tory unease is ever- more visible on the boards. Whatever could have happened to occasion such a state of affairs...?

Maybe the right to oppose rather than agree and back slap all day Phil

.... To Be, or not to Be, that is the question.
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles
And by opposing end them ....

Bit tricky to oppose when told all opposition will be deleted blue.
Should I just be a good little poster and agree with everything Herr Ivan says OW?

"Maybe the right to oppose rather than agree and back slap all day Phil"

"Agree and backslap" Isn't this exactly what you have been doing with tlttf blue? With respect of course.

tlttf. No defence of all that rubbish about ‘The Mirror’ then, or an explanation of what it’s doing on a thread about Tory sleaze?

Not talking down to you, but this job keeps me busy. You might have noticed that we have 152 people on our books, and though only a proportion are here at any one time, many others require messages and e-mails for various reasons. I made a list of things on Monday morning that I intended to do, and I haven’t managed to do any of them because of what Harold Macmillan used to call “events, dear boy”. I don’t suppose you care though. I also doubt if you’d ever do a job which is unpaid and where you receive little more than abuse in return. And if I end up in a cardboard box at Waterloo Station because my house has been sold to pay for litigation caused by your excesses, I doubt if you’ll install me rent free in your Chelsea penthouse.

Writing about ‘The Mirror’ – in a mimicry of a post which was about Coulson, and which was relevant to this thread – is troll behaviour, just as it is to go on the religion board and, instead of offering an argument, simply to offend Christians with talk of “some old duffer”. I’ve never said that I like Blair for anything other than winning elections - I’m far more Dennis Skinner and Tony Blair - but that doesn’t stop you pretending that I do. You stalked Mel with snide remarks, and when you stopped that you turned your attention to annoying me instead. If you think I’m totalitarian, you want to visit a few more forums. I’ve no desire for you or anyone else to leave, but young mistidebonno summed it up quite succinctly on the Blair thread – if you belong to a club, play by its rules.

Bit tricky to oppose when told all opposition will be deleted

Lie. Just twisting what I've said again! If that's not trolling, what is?

tlttf wrote:Bit tricky to oppose when told all opposition will be deleted blue.
Should I just be a good little poster and agree with everything Herr Ivan says OW?

Now you are taking this too far Land and you know it. You have rightly had your knuckles wrapped
so be a man and admit you have openly flouted the rules that you are fully aware of.

Nothing to do with you being a Tory. You have told us you do not support that party (although you
admitted you voted for them at the last election). Political opposition is one thing and you know full well
that sarcasm and downright rudeness and goading is another and not allowed on this forum. Therefore do the right thing and stop the nonsense as it is making you look rather foolish.

Steady down Ivan. Once again your facts and reality oppose each other. Yes I agree that what you do is at times time consuming. Check with mel as to do I stalk him, or is it him that stalks me, or are we both winding each other up. 6 of one and 1/2 dozen of the other I believe. I've no intention of annoying you I would simply like my views taken into account. You'll notice of course that I have never complained about anybody on here regardless of the abuse I get. Unlike some I assume it's either light hearted or to be ignored totally.

Again your jumping to conclusions regarding where I live (first floor flat, not Penthouse) and also jumping to conclusions regarding what jobs I do for payment and those done for charitable reasons, for a person at the other end of a keyboard you misguidedly assume an awful lot. As for the club, I agree but remember the rules are there for everybody not just your friends.

All the best.

Tune-in tomorrow for Mr Hunt's appearance before the Leveson Enquiry to help preserve the Prime Minister's job.

Michael Gove Defends 'Impressive' Rupert Murdoch

Rupert Murdoch is an "impressive" man whose critics are merely jealous of his success, Michael Gove has told the Leveson inquiry.

Giving evidence to the inquiry on Tuesday, the education secretary who was a journalist for the News International owned Times newspaper prior to entering parliament, said the media mogul had helped create jobs in the UK.

Gove said Murdoch was "one of the most impressive and significant figures of the last 50 years" and noted that "few entrepreneurs have taken risks in the way that he has."

"It is often the case that successful people invite criticism," Gove added. "There are other who are only too happy to criticise."

"I enjoyed meeting him when I was a journalist, I subsequently enjoyed meeting him when I was a politician."
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/05/29/michael-gove-rupert-murdoch_n_1552438.html?ref=uk-politics

A little NEWS Item that seems to have been missed with all the off topic rubbish of the past few days......

I suppose the tetchy behaviour of the usual suspects is quite predictable. For many long months, the old MSN board used to see the most appalling abuse of Labour and its politicians and followers. Now the Tories are in government , facing all the usual problems which assail an administration, and posters are giving it to them big time.

To have Tory apologists now complaining about their treatment is a bit rich, but all too typical of their type. It is a Tory trait to be all too willing and able to dish out all manner of dirt, and to applaud others who attack their opponents, but they do find it all too much when the boot is on the other foot. It will never change for those who feel they are 'born to rule'....

More stories missed........

David Davies MP Tells Radio Caller To 'Join The BNP' Following Welsh Language Row
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/05/30/david-davies-welsh-bnp_n_1555037.html?ref=uk

Craig Oliver, Cameron's Spin Doctor, Caught Ripping Into BBC's Norman Smith Over Jeremy Hunt (VIDEO)

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/05/28/craig-oliver-norman-smith-caught-on-camera_n_1550212.html?ref=uk-politics

Cash-For-Access Scandal Treasurer Peter Cruddas Is The Tories' Largest Donor So Far This Year

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/05/22/peter-cruddas-cash-access-conservative-party-donors-outstrip-labour-_n_1535324.html?ref=uk-politics

Well its as if world war three has lust started on Cutting Edge. I just read all of this as if the Right wing is getting very sore with the fact there party is losing the debate and sound very sensitive to any post made right now. name calling of politicians is quite fair game in my view but that is where it ends. as we should not start calling each other names as its not helping any debate at all. in fact its something that is best left in the school play ground and not on here. Well that is my view for what its worth folks

I've just read through and I'm sort of half grinning/half grimacing. What on Earth have I started?! Yikes!

I think we should all just have a big group hug

No one will get banned or sanctioned for using defamatory nicknames for politicians! Haha! I just grumbled to Ivan that I found it really annoying, and he passed on that grumble because he felt the same I suppose. Shirina mentioned the term "baiting". That's what I was getting at, yes. I don't think it serves any purpose other than to annoy those who hold the opposing view. Debate's good, but the constant repetition of something like "Scam..er...on" (or whatever) just grates and makes the post a bit harder to read. It feels like I'm talking to a group of teenagers who are on the wind-up!

It's just a grumble. I think I'm in the minority but, besides, what I think is unimportant anyway. Free speech n all that!

No need to get nasty towards Ivan. Surely everyone on here can see that he's a thoroughly fair and decent person? If someone has a moan at him, he won't necessarily agree and say he was wrong, but he always checks back his actions and then explains why he took them. On other forums, you won't even get that!

I'm mighty intrigued by the Andy Coulson saga and wondering what, if anything, it means for Cameron. Will it unsettle him?

Blamhappy wrote:I've just read through and I'm sort of half grinning/half grimacing. What on Earth have I started?! Yikes!

I think we should all just have a big group hug

No one will get banned or sanctioned for using defamatory nicknames for politicians! Haha! I just grumbled to Ivan that I found it really annoying, and he passed on that grumble because he felt the same I suppose. Shirina mentioned the term "baiting". That's what I was getting at, yes. I don't think it serves any purpose other than to annoy those who hold the opposing view. Debate's good, but the constant repetition of something like "Scam..er...on" (or whatever) just grates and makes the post a bit harder to read. It feels like I'm talking to a group of teenagers who are on the wind-up!

It's just a grumble. I think I'm in the minority but, besides, what I think is unimportant anyway. Free speech n all that!

No need to get nasty towards Ivan. Surely everyone on here can see that he's a thoroughly fair and decent person? If someone has a moan at him, he won't necessarily agree and say he was wrong, but he always checks back his actions and then explains why he took them. On other forums, you won't even get that!

I'm mighty intrigued by the Andy Coulson saga and wondering what, if anything, it means for Cameron. Will it unsettle him?

Well back to this topic, I just believe that Cameron will just try to ride this out. the thing that is really unsettling him is our economy as he is losing the battle with the anti austerity counties. its my own guess knowing Cameron he will be more than happy if the Coulson saga keep the press anyway from the real issue of a failing UK economy. as Cameron is little more than a political mercenary

This bickering needs to stop. And I do mean stop, as in to end, to finish, to cease, to discontinue, and to desist.

No one is going to delete anyone's posts simply for disagreeing with a moderator or admin ... at least not on my watch, and if Ivan (or any other staff member) does that, trust me, I will call him to task. He might be the boss, but I still say what's on my mind.

As for the copyright issue, I covered that in a different post. Ivan had every right to demand that the article be re-posted properly pursuant to rules we've had in effect since day one.

Now, for the "trolling" issue ... I haven't noticed anyone being a troll. Politics can be an ugly subject; passions run high. That's part of the appeal to debating politics. That passion can sometimes mimic trollish behavior, but that does not make one a troll.

Let's keep the discussion to the subject at hand.

And, Ivan ... calling God an "old duffer" ... really? If the "old duffer" comment is going to cause controversy because it might insult or offend Christians, then perhaps we should acquiesce to Polyglide's desire to ban blasphemy from the forum? I'd rather not since God doesn't post here, so he is not protected under our "no insulting other posters" rule.

You guys are just going to have to figure out a way to discuss politics in a more civilized fashion. I can't do that for you ... all I can do is lock threads and give people "time outs," and I'm sure that's not a remedy anyone would really care for. So how's about shaking hands, go back to your respective corners, and begin the next round of political sparring ... by the rules this time.

And tlttf ... no more "Herr Ivan" remarks, please, thank you.

Well that is my view for what its worth folks

Your view is worth a lot, Red Cat, since you are 100% correct, at least in my view, for what it's worth.

Yeah, I know we can all push the boundaries of what is acceptable behavior when it comes to subjects like politics and religion. I find nothing wrong with pushing the boundaries, but they can only be pushed, not crossed.

Thanks in advance for your cooperation.

Red Cat Woman wrote:
Well back to this topic, I just believe that Cameron will just try to ride this out. the thing that is really unsettling him is our economy as he is losing the battle with the anti austerity counties. its my own guess knowing Cameron he will be more than happy if the Coulson saga keep the press anyway from the real issue of a failing UK economy. as Cameron is little more than a political mercenary

He does have a habit of riding things out, so I expect you're right.

I've just read the update - that Coulson has now be arrested. So, how long before the charge, and how long before we hear exactly what he was questioned about? I'm guessing it'll all come out...?

Also, another news story today about the doctors' strike. Members of the public were interviewed by the radio station I was listening to, and none had sympathy with the doctors. Was this biased reporting, or is that the general consensus? I know they earn a lot, but everything's relative...

I note Cameron's former chief media advisor, and former Murdoch employee, Andy Coulson has been arrested, and charged with perjury.

sickchip wrote:I note Cameron's former chief media advisor, and former Murdoch employee, Andy Coulson has been arrested, and charged with perjury.

Indeed! Exciting times!

With Hunt on parade before the Leveson Enquiry tomorrow, our esteemed Prime Minister is presumably searching the "Sits.Vac." columns as we speak.

I doubt it OW.....Someone else is always on hand to fall on their sword. A trait picked up from the previous Tory Administration and the Blair years....The buck stops somewhere or on someone below the PM

another news story today about the doctors' strike

After his antics with jerry cans and petrol, it must be time for Francis Maude to advise people to stock up with painkillers and thereby cause panic buying of paracetamol.

sickchip wrote:I note Cameron's former chief media advisor, and former Murdoch employee, Andy Coulson has been arrested, and charged with perjury.

Arrested and charged SC, all the paper work has now gone to the PF to see if Coulson will have to face the Scottish Courts, the laws here in Scotland are a bit different to the ones in England.

Cameron told The House three months ago: "I'm responsible for the decisions I take, the people I employ, the government I run. The buck stops right here, and I take full responsibility for every single thing I do."

What does taking "full responsibility" mean in his mind?
Very little I suspect.