Is this another Tory scandal brewing? (Part 1)

by **astradt1** Tue Oct 18, 2011 1:52 pm

First topic message reminder :

Justice minister stripped of powers

Ken Clarke to take charge after Djanogly failed to declare family interest in claims management companies

The justice minister, Jonathan Djanogly, has been stripped of his responsibility to regulate firms that "ambulance chase" the public following a Guardian investigation that revealed how he and his family could profit from controversial changes to legal aid he was piloting in parliament.

Djanogly, the heir to a £300m family business, had failed to declare that his teenage children were minority shareholders in his brother-in-law's businesses – two firms that advertise claims and are part of an industry that Djanogly regulated in government.

Do you get the feeling that after each Revelation about members of this government you just have to shout NEXT

by Mel Thu May 31, 2012 8:53 am

Cameron told The House three months ago: "I'm responsible for the decisions I take, the people I employ, the government I run. The buck stops right here, and I take full responsibility for every single thing I do."

What does taking "full responsibility" mean in his mind?
Very little I suspect.

by Blamhappy Thu May 31, 2012 9:02 am

Ivan wrote:
another news story today about the doctors' strike
After his antics with jerry cans and petrol, it must be time for Francis Maude to advise people to stock up with painkillers and thereby cause panic buying of paracetamol.

Haha!

by astra Thu May 31, 2012 8:10 pm

ANOTHER U TURN

not changing the charity tax as was announced in the budget!

Are there any more about faces this incompetent lot can make. (Not that I approve of taxing charities, I really disapprove of the very high salaries payed to Charity "Senior Execs")

Wonder if Ladbrokes will start odds on what the next u turn will be

by Mel Thu May 31, 2012 8:36 pm

astradt1 Quote--"More stories missed........"

Many thanks astradt1 for those interesting links.
Too much being missed due to the quagmire of useless
bickering that has taken place here on this thread.

Let us hope that all the offenders will read Shirina's post
on the subject and take note. I'm not hopeful though being
the eternal pessimist. I'm afraid it is all the remnance of the
old MSN boards, where anything went.
Shirina and Blam did not fortunately experience that
particular forum, bless em.

by Misti Thu May 31, 2012 10:33 pm

Grow up people! I have read your messages and I have to say they are quite pathetic, playground antics spring to mind! Try living in the real world. Whilst you play your disrespectful games there are people out there fighting for our so-called countries and prepared to give up their lives to do so. Politicians run our countries and whether we agree or not doesnt give us the right to act like bullies! And you know why I can say this??? Because I am outta here, I have better things to do than play games...xx

by Blamhappy Thu May 31, 2012 10:43 pm

All is calm now. It was just a few-post squabble.

Let's not keep going on about it.

Group hug!

by **astradt1** Thu May 31, 2012 11:02 pm

So Dave now feels that Hunt has nothing to worry about, he will not be referred to the Ministerial Code hearing......Why because Dave says so.....

We have to ask if we believe that Hunt has breached the code

The Seven Principles of Public Life

These principles were published by the Committee on Standards in Public Life in 1995.

1 Selflessness: ministers should act entirely in the public interest.
2 Integrity: no financial obligations should be accepted if they could undermine the minister's position.
3 Objectivity: when making appointments, decisions should be based on merit.
4 Accountability: all public office-holders are accountable, and should co-operate with all scrutiny procedures.
5 Openness: all decisions should be justified, and information should be restricted only when necessary for the public interest.
6 Honesty: public office-holders are required, by duty, to be honest in all their dealings and business.
7 Leadership: the principles should be supported and upheld by leadership and example.

Will/Should Sir Alex Allan now resign after being sidelined/made redundant by Dave?

by astra Thu May 31, 2012 11:03 pm

Sorry, It's 4, yea FOUR u-turns this week

Add this 3 from a former post -

SO!

the THREE turnrounds are out now

Pasty Tax

Caravan tax

Trials and inquests in secret no longer considered

The OLD GUARD, the GRANDEES just HAVE to be looking for a replacement in No 10 AND in No 11 Downing street.

or have they no proffessional conscience???

SORRY silly me, don't answer that!

by Mel Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:57 am

"So Dave now feels that Hunt has nothing to worry about, he will not be referred to the Ministerial Code"

As expected, arrogance rules as far as Cameron is concerned. Disgusting!!!

by sickchip Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:12 am

Mel wrote:"So Dave now feels that Hunt has nothing to worry about, he will not be referred to the Ministerial Code"

As expected, arrogance rules as far as Cameron is concerned. Disgusting!!!

I entirely agree, Mel. I just wonder how long Cameron and co will be allowed to get away with demonstrating such arrogance and contempt. I still think their position is very fragile; and when they collapse, through scandal and demonstrable incompetence, it will be big style - enough to tarnish the tories reputation, and render them unelectable, for at least a decade.

by Redflag Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:41 am

astra wrote:Sorry, It's 4, yea FOUR u-turns this week

Add this 3 from a former post -

SO!

the THREE turnrounds are out now

Pasty Tax

Caravan tax

Trials and inquests in secret no longer considered

The OLD GUARD, the GRANDEES just HAVE to be looking for a replacement in No 10 AND in No 11 Downing street.

or have they no proffessional conscience???

SORRY silly me, don't answer that!

Do you think he will do a U-Turn on the 5p tax cut for the well paid and Millionaires astra ha ha, that is one tax he would not dare go back on it would cause all those well paid crying into there champers.

by Redflag Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:46 am

sickchip wrote:
Mel wrote:"So Dave now feels that Hunt has nothing to worry about, he will not be referred to the Ministerial Code"

As expected, arrogance rules as far as Cameron is concerned. Disgusting!!!

I entirely agree, Mel. I just wonder how long Cameron and co will be allowed to get away with demonstrating such arrogance and contempt. I still think their position is very fragile; and when they collapse, through scandal and demonstrable incompetence, it will be big style - enough to tarnish the tories reputation, and render them unelectable, for at least a decade.

What annoys me SC is the smug arrogant way they behave, I hope your right about there position being fragile with the doctors coming out on strike (sort of) I thought that the people would be with them because of the NHS Bill, maybe the doctors will have to explain all of the ins and outs of why they are going on strike.

by oftenwrong Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:33 am

sickchip wrote:I note Cameron's former chief media advisor, and former Murdoch employee, Andy Coulson has been arrested, and charged with perjury.

One thing which appears to have emerged from Leveson is that government-by-telephone-call-from-a-Murdoch may not be so blatant in the future, though Politicians are always dependent upon Press support.

The true role of Coulson within No. 10 Downing Street may yet turn out to have been much more than simply "advisor". There's the curiousity of his salary, which seems to have been balanced by payments TO the Prime Minister's Office from News Intnl. Perhaps he was more of a Commissar, installed to ensure toeing of the Murdoch line.

We may also hear more revelations as a result of Max Mosley's offer to fund the legal costs of anyone else claiming to have been a victim of Press phone-hacking. http://blogs.journalism.co.uk/2011/05/05/independent-max-mosley-bankrolling-legal-costs-of-phone-hacking-victims/

What larks!

by **Ivan** Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:19 am

when they collapse, through scandal and demonstrable incompetence, it will be big style - enough to tarnish the tories reputation, and render them unelectable, for at least a decade.

A decade? A millennium wouldn't be long enough. Those corrupt, carpetbagging scum should never be allowed near the levers of power again. If the Tory Party was disbanded and its ill-gotten assets - right down to the latest £100k from Ginsters - were sequestrated, it would go a long way towards reducing the national debt.

by sickchip Fri Jun 01, 2012 5:54 pm

Ivan,

by sickchip on Tue May 29, 2012 2:58 pm - Perhaps a thread entirely devoted to Leveson might be the answer to our minor quibble?

by Ivan on Tue May 29, 2012 3:17 pm - I think it’s too far down the track now for a separate thread about Leveson, it might only have a limited shelf life

by **Ivan** Fri Jun 01, 2012 6:45 pm

sickchip. This has been answered on the Leveson thread.

Blamhappy decided to start that thread, whilst acknowledging that the Leveson Inquiry was a long way down the road. It was a marginal decision, but I will never disagree on forum procedure with good staff - they're hard to get, especially when they're unpaid and doing a fairly thankless job! I trust you will always remember how important they are.

by Blamhappy Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:07 pm

I just felt that Hunt's appearance would provoke a lot of discussion and it would be good to have a new thread for it. Sorry, sickchip. I didn't actually realise you'd suggested it previously. (Or, if I did, I'd forgotten!)

by sickchip Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:21 pm

No worries, Blam.....and no slight intended towards Ivan, or the moderators, who do a good job running this forum.

by Blamhappy Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:22 pm

Hahahaha! Stop sucking up to me!

(Kidding.)

by sickchip Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:46 pm

It's nice to be nice...

...but sometimes it's nice to be nasty Twisted Evil

by Redflag Sat Jun 02, 2012 8:48 am

sickchip wrote: It's nice to be nice...

...but sometimes it's nice to be nasty

Have to agree with the latter SC. cheers

by sickchip Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:33 am

Have to agree with the latter SC

....and I thought it was only tories who were nasty!! Smile

by Redflag Sat Jun 02, 2012 4:50 pm

sickchip wrote:
Have to agree with the latter SC

....and I thought it was only tories who were nasty!!

If it comes too it SC, I can be really nastier than the Tories more so if its being nasty to the Tory MPs. :bom:

by **astradt1** Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:44 pm

A Sunday Telegraph investigation has uncovered that she has never registered a controlling stake in a spice manufacturing firm with the House of Lords authorities.

The disclosure appears to be in breach of rules that order peers to declare their business interests, particularly if they are the principal shareholders in a company.

It follows Lady Warsi’s admission last week that she failed to declare rental income from a property she owned.

The peer claimed the issue of the rent was “an oversight”. However, her stake in a company, Rupert’s Recipes, the existence of which has never been declared, raises significant questions over her judgment. Labour said she had urgent questions to answer.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/9308031/Tory-peer-Baroness-Warsi-and-her-secret-business.html

Is this just another little oversight by the Chairperson of the Tory Party?

The Sunday Telegraph also claims to have found some intersting facts about her co-owner in the company........

The Sunday Telegraph investigation also found that:

* Lady Warsi’s business partner, Abid Hussain, accompanied her on a ministerial trip to Pakistan where he met leading politicians;

* Mr Hussain has been a leading member of Hizb ut Tahrir, the radical Islamic group the Tories promised to ban while in opposition;

* It is unclear if Mr Hussain was subjected to security vetting before accompanying the peer to Pakistan;

* Lady Warsi has been on 17 foreign trips while in office, even though her role as party chairman is to foster relations with grassroots members.

by Mel Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:52 pm

Hopefully astradt1 the woman will have a lot to answer for. You can expect Cameron to back her come what may.

by Mel Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:55 pm

Nick Clegg, aparently has refused to give unequivocal backing to Jeremy Hunt over his handling of the BSkyB takeover controversy as senior Liberal Democrats demand a new investigation into whether the culture secretary has broken the ministerial code.

That wont go any further you can bet on it.

Ministerial code might as well be redundant along with all those working on behalf of it. A waste of taxpayers money.

by oftenwrong Sat Jun 02, 2012 10:46 pm

Well,who was it that allowed the Tory-led Coalition to make their own rules? Who was it that cast a "protest" vote?

Doesn't matter now, but don't do it again!

by Redflag Sun Jun 03, 2012 8:34 am

Mel wrote:Nick Clegg, aparently has refused to give unequivocal backing to Jeremy Hunt over his handling of the BSkyB takeover controversy as senior Liberal Democrats demand a new investigation into whether the culture secretary has broken the ministerial code.

That wont go any further you can bet on it.

Ministerial code might as well be redundant along with all those working on behalf of it. A waste of taxpayers money.

Mel Nick Clegg can not be seen to be backing Hunt, Cable has a lot of pull within the L/D party and if ups and goes there would be plenty of L/D MPs that would follow him out of the coalition and Clegg knows that his job as Deputy PM depends on him keeping the coalition in tact.

by oftenwrong Sun Jun 03, 2012 10:34 am

Clegg knows that his job as Deputy PM depends on him keeping the coalition in tact.

Coalition Intacta?

No, sorry, they lost their cherry over University tuition fees. (About 140 U-turns ago)

by Redflag Sun Jun 03, 2012 10:56 am

oftenwrong wrote:Clegg knows that his job as Deputy PM depends on him keeping the coalition in tact.

Coalition Intacta?

No, sorry, they lost their cherry over University tuition fees. (About 140 U-turns ago)

They may have lost their cherry over tuition fees, but until 2015 or Scam..er..on gets the balls to call an early GE (which I doubt) they will stay in power with more U-Turns and the cutting the public sector even more.

by Blamhappy Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:22 am

According to the Guardian, senior Lib Dems have broken ranks:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/jun/02/jeremy-hunt-nick-clegg-investigation?CMP=twt_gu

by Redflag Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:32 pm

Blamhappy wrote:According to the Guardian, senior Lib Dems have broken ranks:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/jun/02/jeremy-hunt-nick-clegg-investigation?CMP=twt_gu

Its about time that the L/Ds broke ranks with the Tories.

by trevorw2539 Sun Jun 03, 2012 3:47 pm

What's the betting Hunt 'resigns' in a few days to prevent any 'Tory/LibDem crisis'.

by bobby Sun Jun 03, 2012 4:26 pm

Trevorw said : What's the betting Hunt 'resigns' in a few days to prevent any 'Tory/LibDem crisis'.

I personally dont think his resigning will make any difference.
Exactly what would he be resigning for, he has said from day one he has done nothing wrong, and to reinforce that Herr Cameron has backed him up by repeatedly saying “he has my full support” (there’s the bloody kiss of death if ever there was one). If he resigns over the suggestion he has broken the ministerial code, all he will be doing is admitting he is guilty, they will use their well paid Lawyers to find a different way of putting it, but if he is truly innocent why would he put himself in the position whereby his political career will be all but over. Herr Cameron has got himself caught between a Rock and a hard place. He obviously thought he could simply say he will not call for an enquiry, thinking his minions and us plebs would accept his illegitimate Royal command.
I would hate to be in Herr Cameron’s place right now, he knows he has dropped one of the biggest bollocks of his career, and getting Hunt to resign will not save him. Herr Cameron will lose his shield and have to stand alone. The chicken has come home to roost.

by Mel Sun Jun 03, 2012 5:06 pm

Blam Quote "According to the Guardian, senior Lib Dems have broken ranks:"

With respect Blam I posted that information yesterday here at 955pm.
Read the posts sweetie. Very Happy

by Mel Sun Jun 03, 2012 5:15 pm

bobby. "I personally dont think his resigning will make any difference."

Not a jot bobby, Cameron will continue as if nothing has happened. Everything goes over his head, he is tuned trained and thick skinned against all of the hidden, open, or alleged scandal.

As long as he has another three yrs or enough time to accomplish what the Witch failed to implement, for the sake of himself and his wealthy friends, what does he care??? Mission accomplished in five.

by Blamhappy Sun Jun 03, 2012 5:27 pm

Mel wrote:Blam Quote "According to the Guardian, senior Lib Dems have broken ranks:"

With respect Blam I posted that information yesterday here at 955pm.
Read the posts sweetie.

Oh, I'm really sorry. I thought it was "new news". Oooops! Oh well, I suppose it might mean more people here see it...

by astra Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:38 pm

Looks like the "Granny Tax" will be repealed

(that's now 141 OW Very Happy

by trevorw2539 Sun Jun 03, 2012 10:17 pm

astra wrote:Looks like the "Granny Tax" will be repealed

(that's now 141 OW

Both my 'grannies' are long gone, so I don't pay tax on them anyway. Laughing

by oftenwrong Sun Jun 03, 2012 10:43 pm

astra wrote:Looks like the "Granny Tax" will be repealed

(that's now 141 OW

I am developing an inescapable conclusion that Thatcher's successors have her instructions tattooed on the inside of their eyelids. They're singing from a 1980 hymn book, but can't remember the right words.

by Mel Mon Jun 04, 2012 8:26 am

Spot on OW as usual Cool

by Sponsored content