What future will the Lib Dems have by 2015?

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The Lib-Dems will not let Nick Clegg lead them into the next general election because Clegg will definitely be a liability.

The Lib-Dems won't have their leadership challenge too near the general election because this will be seen as a vote grabber.

The Lib-Dems must have their leadership challenge ages before the next general election to be seen as a genuine change of leadership.

So, when do you think their leadership challenge will be ?

Ivan wrote: Sheffield Hallam is a very safe Lib Dem seat........As your own experience in Eastleigh showed, even though the Lib Dem vote went down, the Tory vote also fell, and it would be a tall order to expect Labour to win Sheffield Hallam on those figures. Sadly, I think Clegg will survive.

 
Sorry Ivan I think I mentioned on another thread that while  I was in Manchester on Sunday the N.U.S from Hallam Sheffield was at the protest and since you know what the protest was about and that Cleggy has waved EVERY nasty Tory Bill through the H.O.C, I can not see the good people of Sheffield vote for the Prostitute party after they have done nothing more than ANNIHILATION of them will satisfy me.:yeahthat:

Source: http://tompride.co.uk/tag/liberal%20democrats/

Ivanhoe wrote:The Lib-Dems will not let Nick Clegg lead them into the next general election because Clegg will definitely be a liability.

The Lib-Dems won't have their leadership challenge too near the general election because this will be seen as a vote grabber.

The Lib-Dems must have their leadership challenge ages before the next general election to be seen as a genuine change of leadership.

So, when do you think their leadership challenge will be ?

So when do you think the Lib-Dems will make a move to get Clegg out of the way Ivanhoe ? Clegg has said he will be standing in the same seat as he did in 2010, which is Hallam Sheffield I wonder what his constituents think of that for a BRASS NECK. :yeahthat: 

Those who voted for Clegg in 2010 appear satisfied with his performance in Coalition, which they regard as a distinct improvement on merely watching whilst other parties govern.

Either way, he is believed to have options open in Brussels.

If he has any sense at all he will take the opening in Brussels OW, the only other way would be to apply to UKIP see if they need a coalition partner.  

What a glittering prospect for the Quisling Lib-Dems. Locked into bed with either the ghastly Tories again, Labour, or the Bongo-bongo UKIP.

You can't make an omelette without losing your principles, it seems.

Cleggy agreed to forget his principles in May 2010 OW along with his backbone and the Lib-Dem policies. :yeahthat:

Undeniably true, Redflag, but I am developing an uncomfortable sensation that the election of May 2015 could turn out to be a re-run of the 2010 disaster for all of us. I won't mind being found wrong in that too, however.

I hope you are wrong OW no offence to you, if England votes the Tories and Lib-Dems back into power HELL SLAP IT INTO THEM (Scotland does not vote Tory at all) they will get what they deserve it will be back to Dickensian times with all the trimmings Workhouses included, so I really do hope you have got this one badly wrong OW. :yeahthat:

The return to "normal" of Retail spending would appear to indicate that most people think all our financial troubles are behind us.

Possibly another case of fools rush in. Speaking of which there may be a positive side, inasmuch as various City Spiv hedge-fund investors bet against a good Christmas for the shops and may have got it expensively wrong.

oftenwrong wrote:The return to "normal" of Retail spending would appear to indicate that most people think all our financial troubles are behind us.

Possibly another case of fools rush in.  Speaking of which there may be a positive side, inasmuch as various City Spiv hedge-fund investors bet against a good Christmas for the shops and may have got it expensively wrong.

Or the people have got themselves into too much debt which will have to be paid off in January 2014, so this could mean the pay day loan sharks will do great business in January. :yeahthat: 

oftenwrong wrote:The return to "normal" of Retail spending would appear to indicate that most people think all our financial troubles are behind us...

The recent Debenham's results suggest that this may not be a true picture. They saw no final spending splurge in the last week before Xmas which is why they have published their results early and also suffered a large fall in share price.

How many more businesses will get the same results as Debenham's, Bellatori ?  People do not have the money to spend, they're too busy trying to keep their heads above water with the cost of living going through the roof. 

Apart from Clegg and Vince Cable can anyone remember anything else a Lib Dem has initiated in the 'Coalition' government? Vince has walked through the minefield of ideology with a modicum of courage. Clegg has been at home with the Tory Toffs because at heart he is interchangeable with them. Who else has made a constructive contribution to government from the yellow party?

A brand new year - a time to collect the points which might be worth resurrecting when it is time to put an Opposition platform together - there's still no sign of one yet............ no legs................ no planks.............. just some slightly wooden actors who haven't learned their lines yet............. Is Danny writing the play? Where will the economic plan tackle global financial markets and the one per cent?

Just been reading Walden Bello's 'Deglobalization'. At least I now know one person has a coherent theory anyway. He wrote the book in 2002 and I couldn't understand it until now. America leads in all fashions............. contraction of economies puts the squeeze on the poor as the rich consolidate their power and predation wherever the opportunity arises and low pay in the producing countries divides the world into prey and predators. Better to swim with sharks than to try and swim away................

Those who still have a steady income don't really notice the Recession. Those losing jobs, mortgages, income, a roof over their heads, bedroom tax choices of food or heat or homelessness, are facing such radical changes that a new group of homeless people are now the soft in-dwellers. Loss of opportunity is now a trap with no way back in to normal life. The churches have been revitalized with a crucial role and depend on charity to feed the excluded minority which the state has washed its hands of responsibility towards. So much for Cameron's Big Society - the Archbishop still hasn't sold the Wonga shares held by the Church. It is sickening that social principles of Fair Play and compassion have been discarded so blatantly by the currently powerful greed merchants in power.

Bellatori wrote:

oftenwrong wrote:The return to "normal" of Retail spending would appear to indicate that most people think all our financial troubles are behind us...

The recent Debenham's results suggest that this may not be a true picture. They saw no final spending splurge in the last week before Xmas which is why they have published their results early and also suffered a large fall in share price.

Point taken, but Debenham's is a classic case (there are many others) of asset-stripping.  When you see the words "Private Capital" to describe the owners, it will be a group of speculators who effectively bought a struggling company with its own money.  The bandits, using borrowed cash, acquire a controlling interest and then authorise a sale-and-leaseback of property belonging to the company, which subsequently has to pay inflated rents in order to stay in business.  The sale proceeds will have paid off the loans and also lined the pockets of the hedge-fund managers involved, but the trading company is forever after crippled with debt.

Ivanhoe wrote:The Lib-Dems will not let Nick Clegg lead them into the next general election because Clegg will definitely be a liability.

The Lib-Dems won't have their leadership challenge too near the general election because this will be seen as a vote grabber.

The Lib-Dems must have their leadership challenge ages before the next general election to be seen as a genuine change of leadership.

So, when do you think their leadership challenge will be ?

There won't be one. Not now. I think that would be too risky and would seem to them electoral suicide. This of course implies they think they have a chance, but then they are a party of utter fantasists and hypocrits. Afterward Clegg is done.

oftenwrong wrote:Those who voted for Clegg in 2010 appear satisfied with his performance in Coalition, which they regard as a distinct improvement on merely watching whilst other parties govern.

Either way, he is believed to have options open in Brussels.

I suspect, like a lot of these pigs, he has a whole ecosystem in society that feed of his waste. People that depend on him, believe blindly in his bullshit because it suits them. IT's the same for all of them: tory labour and libdem. They won't see reason or evidence and will vote blindly in tribal fashion.

oftenwrong wrote:Undeniably true, Redflag, but I am developing an uncomfortable sensation that the election of May 2015 could turn out to be a re-run of the 2010 disaster for all of us. I won't mind being found wrong in that too, however.

I fear the same thing: another hung parliament. Voter turnout won't really be much different. For every apathetic voter now galvanised by what the tories have done, there'll be another disaffected and disenfranchised person. A hung parliament will put labour on the backfoot - do they go into office with the libdems and their hypocrisy hobbling them forever? Do we get another rpeat of this current coalition which is most likely since the tories and libdems will be more comfortable with each other. Labour won't stand a chance as a minority party.

I am hoping gw that what this gov't has done to the "normal peopleof the UK" will be enough to bring them out to vote in May 2015, because if they do not we will get Tory & Lib-Dem coalition again and then Heaven Help the UK because the next time they get in there will be "WORKHOUSES"  

If the Tories get in again - and god forbid as a majority (unlikely I know) - workhouses will be the least of our worries.

I think if that happens this country will go up in flames!

Sarah Teather: "We end up inventing problems to pretend we're relevant"

Former coalition minister Sarah Teather has revealed she went into a month-long Roman Catholic retreat last year as she struggled with her decision to step down as a Liberal Democrat MP because of doubts about the direction of her party.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jan/01/sarah-teather-resignation-newsmaker-2013

I wonder if her decision to quit politics at the next election was down to a spot of Catholic guilt for all the appalling policies she supported, or whether it was decided by the likely result in her constituency of Brent Central in 2015?   

http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/conlist_a_b.html#BrentCentral

Sarah Teather seeking attention yet again.

I have no time for her. I couldn't care less about her vaunted beliefs; she is as unprincipled as the rest of them.

Frankly if she needs a retreat to see how her party (and her) have let our society down then she is a lost cause.

I wonder which month it was that she spent in retreat?

Ivan wrote:Sarah Teather: "We end up inventing problems to pretend we're relevant"

Former coalition minister Sarah Teather has revealed she went into a month-long Roman Catholic retreat last year as she struggled with her decision to step down as a Liberal Democrat MP because of doubts about the direction of her party.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jan/01/sarah-teather-resignation-newsmaker-2013

I wonder if her decision to quit politics at the next election was down to a spot of Catholic guilt for all the appalling policies she supported, or whether it was decided by the likely result in her constituency of Brent Central in 2015?   

http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/conlist_a_b.html#BrentCentral

I tend to think Ivan it would have been her constituents that made her make up her mind to step down from politics, after they told her not to come looking for their vote in May 2015. :yeahthat:

And then there is the prize hypocrite Simon Hughes:-

http://politicalscrapbook.net/2013/12/simon-hughes-brazen-lies-and-hypocrisy/

His chance of being re-elected next year is estimated at less than 1 in 4 by Electoral Calculus:-

http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/conlist_a_b.html#BermondseyandOldSouthwark

I would imagine Ivan most of the Lib-Dem MPs have the same chance of being re-elected in 2015 as Simon Hughes, most of the Lib-Dems are hypocrites they said one thing then once they got the crumbs of power  from the Tories they did exactly the opposite. :yeahthat:

Re: What future will the Lib Dems have by 2015?

If The continue (allegedly ) as they seem to be, All I can add is:
You don't have to be a Nonce to be a Lib-Dem, but it certainly helps.

Or an old pervert bobby that thinks they are above the law because they are part of the UKs gov't, they should cast their minds back to the Thatcher years when a few of them went on a visit to H.M.P. 

More Danish envy
 
by Bernie Evans
 
"As if jealousy of Denmark`s television dramas isn't bad enough, now we find more reasons for envy. It appears the Danes are fortunate enough to have, within their coalition government, a political party refusing to be swayed by promises of future influence and power. The fact that the Socialist People's party has left the ruling coalition over Goldman Sachs's purchase of a 19% share in the state-owned energy company is something which we Britons can only regard with awe and admiration.

A political party in a coalition government not only standing by its principles, but refusing to agree to the sale of a company owned by the people of Denmark to a greedy, tax avoiding, multinational bank, is the stuff of British dreams! Just think, if we had a principled, junior member in our coalition, how different things would look: Royal Mail would not have been sold, let alone undersold by £3.2 billion, welfare cuts would not have hurt the weakest, tax reductions would not have benefited the obscenely rich, education would not be heading for a two-tiered system, and the NHS would be safe from privatisation. How they still have the nerve to call themselves Liberal Democrats, when every vestige of liberalism has been betrayed, is beyond belief." 
 
http://paperblogwriter49.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/more-danish-envy.html

.... but they are IN GOVERNMENT, for the first time in eighty years. A peg on the nose was the only requirement.

I think they are going to need more than a peg on their nose come the 2015 general election OW, the Fib-Dems will need a suit of ARMOUR before they go out canvassing for peoples votes for the G.E. in 2015.   Simon Hughes played a real dirty trick on a Labour candidate by telling everyone he was gay then a few months later it came out that Hughes himself was gay and he must have known at the time of his treachery what his sexual tendacies were, so I am hoping Hughes gets a taste of his own medicine come the 2015 general election. 

The SDP was dissolved in May 1990 after a by-election in Bootle in which the party's candidate was beaten into last place by the Official Monster Raving Loony Party.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Democratic_Party_(UK,_1988)
 
On 6 March 2014, the Lib Dems were beaten into last place by David Laurence Bishop of the Bus Pass Elvis Party, which promises to legalise brothels with a 30% reduction for OAPs.
 
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/03/lib-dems-beaten-bus-pass-elvis-party-council-election
 
Is there a message there somewhere for Mr Clegg?

They may need to reinvent themselves - maybe a change of leadership is in the offing?

Coalition policies seem to have become a slight embarassment to senior members of the Coalition:
Immigration minister blames middle class for foreign workers
06 Mar 2014
Samantha Cameron and her foreign nanny's passport
07 Mar 2014
Liberal Democrat Treasury Secretary Danny Alexander is forced to admit on air that his cleaner is a Portuguese immigrant.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10685396/Do-I-employ-any-foreigners-Well-I-do-have-a-Portuguese-cleaner.html

The coalition run down the immigrants for coming to the UK to claim benefits, and yet most of the gov't have got an immigrant working for them I wonder if they go to these agancies so they do not have to pay the minmum wage ???

It's nice to be able to agree with a Liberal Democrat.....   
 
Liberal Democrats are pointless, says sacked former minister
 
Jeremy Browne has attacked the direction of his party, saying: "I'm not sure it would be necessary to invent it if it didn't exist".
 
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/apr/12/liberal-democrats-pointless-former-minister

This is all over twitter Ivan, I do not know how to take this has the penny finally dropped or has  the Fib-Dem voters finally managed to get it through to there MPs they will not be voting L/D in May 2014 or May 2015