Is David Cameron a moron from the outer reaches of the universe? (Part 1)

blue. These boards are an open forum and even you dye in the wool Tory’s are allowed. Before the election we had loads of Tory’s on the old MSN boards, and I know Ivan has sent messages to all of them, including brownboots1, inviting them to join in the discussion. My question is, where are they?. My opinion is that after seeing the lies, the multitude of broken promises and the utter contempt this Government has for the population of Britain, they have had enough of pissing in the wind, and being true Tory’s, haven’t the courage to admit they where wrong and have chosen to fade away into obscurity, where your poxy Government should and will be.
You accuse these boards of being left wing, if your Tory mates (if you can find any) want to join in, they will be welcome, but they chose not to, why?

It seems there are only two of you left, yourself, and another who goes by the pseudonym atv (a Tory voter). You both have painted yourselves into a corner with your name choices, as it would be difficult with those names to now change your allegiances, so take the easy road and boldly (blindly) go where no intelligent life has been before.

Bobby...I was just reponding to Phils post that's all...Nothing to do with open board etc

I have a friend who is chairman of the local Lib Dems, recently he seems to have disappeared from joining in any discussions on Facebook, and he certainly appears to avoid me.

As for Conservative supporters, my next door neighbour is chairman of the Conservative Club, a nicer man you could not wish to meet, both him and his wife are very good neighbours, we sometimes have a pint together but never discuss politics.

I suspect that many Tory voters are simply missguided, some actualy believe that the Tory Party is on the side of the ordinary working man in the street

Survey End Date CON LAB LDEM Con Lead

YouGov/Sun 2012-02-20 - 39 38 10 1
Populus/Times 2012-02-19 - 37 39 11 -2
ICM/Guardian 2012-02-19 - 36 37 14 -1
YouGov/Sunday Times 2012-02-17 - 37 41 7 -4
ComRes/Independent 2012-02-16 - 39 38 10 1
YouGov/Sun 2012-02-16 - 39 39 9 0
YouGov/Sun 2012-02-15 - 39 40 9 -1
YouGov/Sun 2012-02-14 - 40 39 9 1

Awful Truth.....living up to your name! Please check your facts.....Tories poll lead smashed...Lol. The polls have been changing week to week my friend

Phil Hornby wrote:With all the negative comments on this thread - and the boards in general - one could be forgiven for thinking that the government was not at all popular. All folk need to do is to read The Sun and Daily Mail to reassure themselves that Cameron and his team are , in fact, doing a splendid job in the interests of Britain . We should be grateful for their assiduous attention to our well-being...

I don't think there has been any negative comments, they all seem quite positive, and as far as David Cameron being an alien moron, i believe him to be a localy grown moron.
A think tank has come up with the idea of stopping free bus passes for pensioners, TV licences, winter fuel payments and to stop tax free ISA's, they say it would reduce the national debt a lot sooner than they have forcast. Nothing about bank bonuses, and exorbitant profits made by the power industries, or overseas tax dodgers. How much have we wasted paying for people to come up the the easy options, some Tory MP's have already thought about wanting to do that, no need for another think tank. I wish they would flood it while the daft buggers were still in the tank.

Now that I totally agree with Jack...I wish they would get these 'Think Tank' idiots on Tv to explain themselves. While they are at it they could totally scrap schools, hosptals, the police ect...that would also save a bundle.

Clawing back some of the taxes evaded by big business and stricter pricing regulations on the energy companies would have been more apropriate for the current situation

Ivan wrote:The Northampton Chronicle and Echo has quoted Tory MP Brian Binley as saying: "Cameron should get a grip; government is like a shady, back-street second-hand car dealership.”

Hopefully this NHS Bill will do for the arrogant and vicious bully Cameron what the Poll Tax did for Thatcher.

Sorry Ivan it does not look like it will be happening soon have been watching LIVE from the BBC Parliament channel, Andy Burnham brought up a letter he had received from someone within the NHS had voiced his views against the NHS Bill and was REPRIMANDED for voicing his fears about the Bill so this Gov't is trying to BULLY and GAG any DESCENT against it.

The Lib/Dem Minister who I have spoken about before and maybe the only decent one in the Lib/Dem party is Andrew George MP for St Ives spoke out again today about the NHS Bill and I think it looks more likely he will cross the floor of the H.O.C that is one Lib/Dem that has seen the true colours of the Tories.

Now I need clarity on something the Tories have been saying about the private health sector part in our NHS, if they are going to put the profits back into the NHS what about the backers of the P.H.S what they going to say when they do not get there dividends for money invested in this sector?

Redflag wrote:

Ivan wrote:The Northampton Chronicle and Echo has quoted Tory MP Brian Binley as saying: "Cameron should get a grip; government is like a shady, back-street second-hand car dealership.”

Hopefully this NHS Bill will do for the arrogant and vicious bully Cameron what the Poll Tax did for Thatcher.

Now I need clarity on something the Tories have been saying about the private health sector part in our NHS, if they are going to put the profits back into the NHS what about the backers of the P.H.S what they going to say when they do not get there dividends for money invested in this sector?

What makes you think that public health won't continue to pay good, if not improved, dividends?
Many of the medical people concerned work with a foot in both camps, NHS and Private.

Roundabouts and Swings.

bobby wrote: It seems there are only two of you left, yourself, and another who goes by the pseudonym atv (a Tory voter). You both have painted yourselves into a corner with your name choices, as it would be difficult with those names to now change your allegiances, so take the easy road and boldly (blindly) go where no intelligent life has been before.

And you wonder why there are no more Torys on this Forum. Remember there are also many ex-Labourites who too were fed up with Labour, I suppose they are now scum to you.
Blair and Brown saw Labour’s electorate shrink by five million between 1997 and 2010. 80% of that was under Blair, and eighty per cent was also working-class.

Blair and Brown, especially Brown, ran the worst government of the past century. We are paying for it now, they could have saved in the boom like the Germans but no, they spent everything until there was nothing left. Worst of all they increased public spending and ignored the pension crisis as well as getting into debt so that any government that follows them must decrease the public sector and meet a deluge of strikes and protest.

Brown's cunning ploy was to artificially boost property values by allowing vast levels of immigration, this then created an artificial boost in GDP which he used to hide his excessive borrowing by quoting it as a % of GDP (See Immigration, house prices and boom economics).

The reason the debt has risen to 1 trillion pounds, is that we have to borrow money to pay the interest on the previous debt, as well as pay for those nice little earners the Labour government kept off the balance sheet, because it wasn't borrowings in the strict sense of the word.
To that end, we have a new hospital up North, opened by that wonderful magician Tony Blair under his PFI rules, that is close to bankruptcy. This is because they hospital chiefs have to pay the owners of the hospital, the PFI builders, before any one person is treated in the hospital. It was easier under Blair/Brown to borrow a couple of million to run the damned place than it was to borror 400 million to build it. Now that is criminal. They also wasted billions on failed IT projects and the like without anyone being held to account.
Now the other side of the coin is that the current government are still in favour of PFI, with the same end results, that's stupidity.

Labourites conveniently forget to mention what the 1997 Blair government inherited, from the outgoing Conservatives, a UK economy that was in surplus with the best financed private sector pension funds in the world. But in just 13 years Labour managed to tax and ruin 90% of the working populations private pension funds, whilst at the same time turning the UKs balance of trade surplus into a £150bn deficit. It's just 1979 all over again.
Labour spent 13 years squandering a sound economic foundation, so sound that Gordon Brown as Chancellor made no changes to the Tories economic plan for his first two years in office. After that he pursued reckless albeit populist policies of spending money we didn't have on non-productive economic policies. When the money ran out, and he had sold our gold reserves and raided the pension funds, he then borrowed and kept on borrowing.
As for getting out of the the 2008 recession, it doesn't take an economic genius to just keep borrowing and spending to buy the time he hoped would get him re-elected.
It was unsustainable and was never going to be quickly corrected by whoever won the last election. In the final months of the last government they committed the future government to huge unsupportable spending plans in a final act of defiance.
The coalitions efforts are hardly convincing and I'm sure the next few years are going to be very hard, whoever is in power, but can we please move on from the myth that Gordon Brown was some sort of economic messiah ... he wasn't !

1. The discussion boards would be very dull if they only ever reflected the views of people who agreed with each other on everything.
2. "Preaching to the converted" soon feels like talking to yourself in the mirror.
3. Common courtesy suggests that opposing views should be digested before destruction.
4. Gordon Brown was not a nice man. Ask ANYONE who ever had direct contact with him.
5. Honesty is not necessarily betrayal, it can be simple disappointment.
6. Politicians are human too. Why do we expect them to be infallible?
7. Now that there is the Internet, any Population is capable of governing itself, without intermediaries, in exactly the same way as the ancient greeks developed democracy by developing Law by discussion.
8. God help us if Cameron persists.

atv perhaps too young to remember the crushing blow Thatcher dealt all but the rich in this nation.

It is all very well documented, therefore I have no need to bore you with the horror.
Of course in the end she was ousted by her own party who realised she had over stepped the mark making a winning further election impossible.

Major and Co did a lot of juggling the figs and got their fingers out albeit too late in and attempt to salvage their party in office and not for the right reasions, which should have been for the sake of the country and not their bloody wretched Tory party..

We had 13 good years for ALL under Labour. Unfortunately Brown had his watch clobbered by a global crisis, which neither party could foresee before it was too late to act in time.

How you can possibly support these cruel worse than Thatcherite type Tories, I fail to understand.

"Gordon Brown was not a nice man."
Neither was Heath, Wilson, Churchill, Chamberlain and certainly not Thatcher. Is Camer-con?????

We see not many Tory supporters here for the very reason that even they are unable to defend the true evil nature of the members of this so called government...

Re: Is David Cameron a moron from the outer reaches of the universe?
by jackthelad Today at 3:12 pm

.Phil Hornby wrote:
With all the negative comments on this thread - and the boards in general - one could be forgiven for thinking that the government was not at all popular. All folk need to do is to read The Sun and Daily Mail to reassure themselves that Cameron and his team are , in fact, doing a splendid job in the interests of Britain . We should be grateful for their assiduous attention to our well-being...

I don't think there has been any negative comments, they all seem quite positive, and as far as David Cameron being an alien moron, i believe him to be a localy grown moron


Quite agree Jack. All the aliens I have met have been quite sane rather than moronic. In fact xzjkzytxz from Sirius is a very well spoken and intelligent alien. I'm cuckoo, of course ooops

"In fact xzjkzytxz from Sirius is a very well spoken and intelligent alien."

Absolutely, it's not HIS fault that his parents only ever took The Daily Mail.

Mel wrote:"Gordon Brown was not a nice man."
Neither was Heath, Wilson, Churchill, Chamberlain and certainly not Thatcher. Is Camer-con?????

I have a couple of issue's with this statement, first, Heath and Wilson were a couple of nice guys, even though they were politicians, i thought them to be honest ones. Churchill, what ever the nature of the man, he was a bloody good war leader, where as Chamberlain was a wimp. Now has far has Thatcher is concerned, i agree one thousand%, she was just not nice, but totally evil.

Mel, with respect,
I am now in my 37th year, and as with many of my age only remember the Labour years. My earlier school days were of constant strikes with unions demanding more and more money, destroying industry and making manufacturing unaffordable.
You say We had 13 good years for ALL under Labour. Unfortunately Brown had his watch clobbered by a global crisis. He ran up a mountain of debt for goodness sake, or is that just a myth?
I don't support all that the Coalition is doing, but can you honestly say Labour could do better.
The general public still don't trust labour with the economy, and all the lefties and the unions will never incite the general public to riot and force the Coalition out, because the alternative is to frightening to contemplate.

Mel wrote:atv perhaps too young to remember the crushing blow Thatcher dealt all but the rich in this nation.

It is all very well documented, therefore I have no need to bore you with the horror.

The very fact that people who weren't even born when she came to power still talk about Her today says it all really. She will be remembered as a great PM. She made a difference and stood up for her beliefs.

I was born in 1975 so I remember the poll tax marches. I think the poll tax experiment is the main reason most of the scots hate her which is strange because it was actually a fairer tax than the current council tax when you look back. She just went about it the wrong way.

She took on the unions and beat them. The unions needed to be brought to heel because they'd brought the country to its knees by strikes for decades. It paved the way for a booming economy.
Did she make mistakes? Yes she did but it doesn't take away the fact she put the UK back on track, so credit where credits due.

Actually, the rich-poor gap widened more under Labour in 10 years than it did under the Conservatives in 15 years and most poor people were better off rather than getting poorer. The Torys took an economy that was in such a poor state that the IMF had to be called in to fix it (something that usually only happens in developing countries), and made it the third strongest in the world. The poorest in society actually benefited a lot under the Conservatives - indeed it was the working class vote that won almost every election for the Torys in that time.
There werent quite as many stupid people back then and the vast majority of people realised that the Torys were doing what was best for the country as evidenced by the fact that when Labour got in in 1997 the country had never been in a better position financially.
Most people understood at the time that then, like now, this country had no money. We couldn't keep spending on services that were not making money, or keeping open industries that were losing millions. We were in a severe economic mess, and whilst Labour dithered and danced around the problem, the Conservatives came in and made tough choices that sorted out Labour's mess. That is why they were so successful - because people remembered the mess Labour had made, and saw that the Torys were doing something about it.

I appreciate things haven't been fixed in two years but what did you expect? Carry on as normal and be a basket case country like Greece?
The independent organisations like the IMF approve of what the UK is trying to do - balance the Country's books. The problem is that the great vanity project that is the EU is preventing a prompt recovery in the region. Hence Cameron telling the once Blair cronies to get their ducks in a row. You want to see an end to this financial misery? Well the political elite need to stop the waffle and get on with it, which the coalition are now trying to rectify.
Makes a whole lot of sense to me.

I think the poll tax experiment is the main reason most of the scots hate her which is strange because it was actually a fairer tax than the current council tax when you look back

Sorry ATV, the devil is in the detail. My parents had 2 elderly aunts staying with us 80 and 90 years - saving the council £s and were helping relatives long before Madge came up with "Care in the Community" The Poll Tax that you so espouse put the monthly rate UP by 33% which was untennable!
Even out in the country where the farm workers were in tied housing, rates went up disproportionately, and the balloon went up in Perthshire when it was found that the landed gentry were barely affected!

I remember the poll tax marches. I think the poll tax experiment is the main reason most of the scots hate her which is strange because it was actually a fairer tax than the current council tax when you look back. She just went about it the wrong way.

Of course it was fair for a millionaire living in a mansion to pay the same as his gardener living in his cottage.......Duke of Westminister thought it was so fair he paid the poll tax for all his estate staff.........

The unions needed to be brought to heel

Just the sort of comment that could have been made in the middle ages by the lord of the manor talking about his serfs.....as shown in the mounted police charges against miners in 1984.

Strange how so many of the Tory election 'victorys' came within a year of Britian having been involved in a war.......

Labour got in in 1997 the country had never been in a better position financially.

So if they had done such a great job why were they kicked out?

The very fact that people who weren't even born when she came to power still talk about Her today says it all really.

Yes it does. People who weren't alive when Hitler died still talk about Him too.

The unions needed to be brought to heel because they'd brought the country to its knees by strikes for decades. It paved the way for a booming economy.

when Labour got in in 1997 the country had never been in a better position financially.

I've answered these stock-in-trade Tory lies so many times that I've neither the time nor the inclination to do so yet again. Search the forum archives if you want a response. All I will say is that the Tory years were riddled with high inflation, high unemployment and self-induced recessions.

blueturando. Your poll figures look very, impressive, if they showed the fuller story.

Ed Millibands Labour party is still higher in the polls at the same period of Herr Camerons leadership, when the Tory's where in opposition, and theres over 3 years of damage to go. I wonder what the Tory poll rating will be then. Had Herr Cameron had half a brain, ge would never have bought in the fixed term rule for Parliament, If he were able to call an election right now, he would at least have a cats chance in Battersea dogs home, but the further in and the more pain he inflicts on the Innocent his chances get less and less. Anyway, you are talking about a poll. Lets wait to see what happens in May, at their next test, it may even open your eyes.

Dont forget Unemployement is rising as is inflation, The cost of shopping, Water, Gas , Elecrricity and public transport. The only thing going down along with the economy is the living standards of those that allready have phuck all.

and the good weathers coming leaving no one to blame but themselves. Should the lib-Dems keep them in power, Both party's will be in opposition for many, many years.

Ivan, several people none more than yourself and Stox have put up the figures time and again, but the Tory's here only want to see what suits Tory Ideology, they have no interest in the truth, only in their party phucking up a few more millions of people. Quite frankly bluey seems a deccent sort of chap, but I wont shed a tear if the world of his making comes tumbling round his earhole.

ATV....I'm afraid you and I are pissing in the wind with most people on here, they would recognise the truth if it hit them square in the face.

When you do hit them with the truth as you have done so quite nicely in your post, they cover their eyes and ears...sing lalala and hope the nasty man will go away so they can get back to fantasy land.

When Labour are in government it's like they just walk around handing out money to whoever wants it, whether they need it or not it doesn't matter......No you don't have to work for it...its free my people, it's freeeeee!!! Then they invite hundreds of thousands more over to join the hand out...please come, the money is free here...all are welcome!!!! Ok we need to spend more, what can we do...I know we need some out-reach co-ordinators for transgender harmonica players with red hair and maybe some relationship councillors for the gay and lesbian pet rabbit community....50 grand a piece per year that should cover it...we are so good in government arn't we....all pat each other on the back for being 'right on'.....and progressive???
Eventually the money runs out so they start borrowing more and more to keep the celebrations going....Look everybody, see how good we are....you ask, we give. In the end they cannot borrow anymore and run off to hide for a decade or so crying like little babies....sorry mummy I didn't mean it.......boo hoohooo.

Then the Tories come in and have to clean up the mess and Labour peer out from behind the sofa screaming that's unfair look what you're doing to the people...you should borrow more and more like we did...what do you mean balance the books, I don't understand...just spend, spend, spend aggghhhh!!!!!

"the Tories come in and have to clean up the mess...."

but unfortunately lack the ability.

Bobby.....Thank you, I am a decent sort of chap and I do think the coalition are making mistakes....mistakes I will happily admit to, but some of the BS that gets banded around on here just brings out the Thatcherite side in me.......Not always pretty I know, but the failure of so many on here to take Labour to task or hold them responsible for anything is quite astounding.....

If you let me look after your bank account and spent way more than you earnt for a year and then handed it back to you, you know you would make cutbacks on the outgoings to get yourself back in credit to stop the bank making more and more ridiculous charges, where you wouldn't be able to get back on track if you spent in the same way.....Come on Bobby we both know that would be common sense.

I dont agree with the health reforms and I would prefer the coalition to go after tax evaders and big business to retrieve unpaid taxes, rather than penalise people lower down the wealth scale. If you asked every Tory voter I am sure 90% would not agree with everything the coalition is doing, but at least we can admit that and not just pretend our party has no responsibility for its action or mistakes

That remains to be seen OW....but do you really think a free spending Labour govenment would work right now?

bobby wrote:Ivan, several people none more than yourself and Stox have put up the figures time and again, but the Tory's here only want to see what suits Tory Ideology, they have no interest in the truth, only in their party phucking up a few more millions of people. Quite frankly bluey seems a deccent sort of chap, but I wont shed a tear if the world of his making comes tumbling round his earhole.

Hi bobby
The trouble with Tory voters is they are used to having it all there way for so long they cannot see what is now really going on, or just wish to not believe it. lets just take the History of the UK National debt....something the Tories love to go on about...What you will note is that the Tory party was in power for the majority of the time from 1945 to today. you will also note that if you add out all the Tory years in office then added up all the Labour party years you will find the Tory party has added more debt to the national UK debt than the Labour party has. most due to the simple fact they have had most time in office. you will also note that the Thatcher years from 1980 to 1986 the Tory percentage of GDP to National debt was over 40%. its drops after North sea Oil kicks in from 1986 to 1994. after this the GDP to national debt goes back up to its 40%

The you will note that from 1997 to 2008 the Labour Government had a GDP to National debt of around 35% on average. with the GDP to national debt hitting an low of 29.33%.in 2002. Now Thatcher only had 4 year under the Labour GDP to National debt percent, However, has 10 of her 18 years with GDP to debt of 40% plus . but within the 4 years she sold half of the country and had a high Oil price to keep the GDP to National debt down. Now if you was to believe the Tory party. we ran up most of the national debt.....WHERE IS IT BOOBY....its not there is it....But THEN WE BOTH ALREADY KNOW THIS YES...BLUE YOU NEED TO START CHECK THE REAL FIGURES....the Tory party have most of the national debt on there hands...


HISTORY OF THE NATION DEBT UK

The National Debt began the 20th century at about 30 percent of GDP. It jerked above 150 percent in World War I and stayed high. Debt breached 200 percent during World War II. Debt declined to 50 percent of GDP by the 1970s and dipped to 25 percent by 1990. The National Debt began a rapid increase in the aftermath of the worldwide financial crisis of 2008.

he National Debt began when William III engaged a syndicate of City merchants to market an issue of government debt. The syndicate became the Bank of England, and HM government debt began a century-long climb, financing Marlborough’s wars, wars against the French, against the North American colonial rebels, and peaking in 1815 at the end of the Napoleonic Wars at over 200 percent of GDP. Government debt exploded in World War I and World War II and then equalled the level of 1815 reaching over 200 percent of GDP. Debt declined below 50 percent of GDP by the 1970s.

Public Net Debt
Fiscal Years 1945 to 2011
Year GDP
£ billion Public Net Debt -total
percent GDP


1945 9.908 215.64 a
1946 9.968 237.12 a
1947 10.772 237.94 a
1948 11.974 213.97 a
1949 12.726 197.77 a
1950 13.308 193.89 a
1951 14.784 175.34 a
1952 15.983 161.99 a
1953 17.121 152.16 a
1954 18.126 146.66 a
1955 19.49 138.19 a
1956 20.956 129.03 a
1957 22.105 122.18 a
1958 23.05 118.14 a
1959 24.348 112.44 a
1960 25.977 106.76 a
1961 27.413 103.06 a
1962 28.711 99.87 a
1963 30.409 98.15 a
1964 33.228 90.97 a
1965 35.888 84.82 a
1966 38.189 82.07 a
1967 40.281 79.41 a
1968 43.656 78.33 a
1969 47.023 72.27 a
1970 51.696 63.99 a
1971 57.67 57.99 a
1972 64.621 55.46 a
1973 74.545 49.48 a
1974 84.513 47.87 a
1975 106.717 43.48 a
1976 126.274 44.81 a
1977 146.973 45.70 a
1978 169.344 46.76 a
1979 199.22 43.61 a
1980 233.184 42.11 a
1981 256.279 44.40 a
1982 281.024 44.55 a
1983 307.207 43.13 a
1984 329.913 43.59 a
1985 361.758 43.45 a
1986 389.149 41.81 a
1987 428.665 39.14 a
1988 478.51 34.98 a
1989 525.274 29.30 a
1990 570.283 26.69 a
1991 598.664 25.27 a
1992 622.08 26.70 a
1993 654.196 30.97 a
1994 692.987 36.05 a
1995 733.266 39.55 a
1996 781.726 41.20 a
1997 830.094 41.92 a
1998 879.102 40.14 a
1999 928.73 37.86 a
2000 976.533 35.37 a
2001 1021.83 30.57 a
2002 1075.56 29.33 a
2003 1139.75 30.45 a
2004 1202.96 31.82 a
2005 1254.06 33.81 a
2006 1325.8 34.92 a
2007 1398.88 35.74 a
2008 1448.39 36.25 a
2009 1395.87 44.19 a
2010 1453.62 52.25 a
2011 1526.5 59.56 e
Legend:
a - actual outturn
e - estimate in HM Treasury 2011 budget

Now in this time the Tory party have been in power for most of that time

blueturando wrote:That remains to be seen OW....but do you really think a free spending Labour govenment would work right now?

Blue
hate too say this but most for the National debt to GDP falls in the laps of the Tory Party. as not only the Tory party been in power the majority of the time but the law of averages been against you too.

bobby wrote:Ivan, several people none more than yourself and Stox have put up the figures time and again, but the Tory's here only want to see what suits Tory Ideology, they have no interest in the truth, only in their party phucking up a few more millions of people. Quite frankly bluey seems a deccent sort of chap, but I wont shed a tear if the world of his making comes tumbling round his earhole.

I agree bobby the only thing they want to hear is how good there party is doing NOT, they are so full of Tory Ideology and Dogma they can not see the nose on there own faces so I think when the bubble bursts and the public start to fight back with general strikes or riots in the streets they will get a shock of there lives like the residents of No 10 and 11 of Downing St.

blueturando wrote:ATV....I'm afraid you and I are pissing in the wind with most people on here, they would recognise the truth if it hit them square in the face.

When you do hit them with the truth as you have done so quite nicely in your post, they cover their eyes and ears...sing lalala and hope the nasty man will go away so they can get back to fantasy land.

Quite right, anyone reading these pages would be under the impression that everything in the UK was perfect until 2010, then the whole world fell in.
We had had crime falling by between 8% and 10% every year, and Labour really expected people to believe that LOL.
Inflation was always under 3%, yet prices were rising on average 10% every year.
We now know we had the manipulated waiting figures, putting people's lives at risk to keep up with targets.
Mention the NHS and it's all Tory media causing trouble.
You would be led to believe that the rich didn't get richer under Labour, that the bankers wasn't Labour's friends, that Labour wasn't in Uncle Murdoch pocket, strange that the hacking scandal was sweep under the carpet until Uncle Murdoch changed sides, but that's life.
Pensioners were much better off under Labour yet we now know we are 17th out of 20.
The poor didn't get poorer, etc,etc,etc.

The lefties constantly go on about Tory millionaires, but as soon as you mention Labour millionaires, silence.
I mean Ed Balls and Yvette Cooper.......representing THE WORKING CLASS..HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA of course!!!!!
Now all they have left is comparing the Torys to facists, I would suggest the Labour party and their supporters look to themselves first and realise they are more aligned to facists then the Toys will ever be. If you can't get your own way beat them up or headbutt them.
Of course you know what the answer will be.
"With respect, that's not the question you should be asking. The question you should be asking is whether this fascist Tory government..."
I'm sure you can imagine the rest as well as I can.

Thing is Blueys, that nuffin' has REALLY changed in the governance of this once stable land in the last 32 years. Where is progress? where is development and research - Mr. Dyson and his hoovers??

bobby wrote:Ivan, several people none more than yourself and Stox have put up the figures time and again, but the Tory's here only want to see what suits Tory Ideology, they have no interest in the truth, only in their party phucking up a few more millions of people. Quite frankly bluey seems a deccent sort of chap, but I wont shed a tear if the world of his making comes tumbling round his earhole.

Hi bobby Ivan has posted along with Stox a load of facts and figures, its what the Tories do not like that is there problem they do not like the truth even when they KNOW it is the truth, Im on another forum and the Tories on there are just as bad you put up facts and figures and all you get is name calling and Insults from the Tories on the forum so I understand where your coming from bobby.

Is David Cameron a moron from the outer reaches of the universe?

Not moronic, but meretricious. David Cameron cannot resist telling people what he thinks they want to hear, so in one speech he is banker-busting, and in another he is telling the City how much we rely upon it.

blueturando wrote:That remains to be seen OW....but do you really think a free spending Labour govenment would work right now?

At least it would be FAIR spending benefiting many not just the chosen few, like Scam..er..on giving his friends contracts worth millions ( A4E for example) and all that proves loads of money brings out the Greedy Backstuds.

but do you really think a free spending Labour govenment would work right now?

do you REALLY think ANY gubmint could be free spending in this country EVER again?


For the life of me, I cannot see it!

blueturando wrote:Survey End Date CON LAB LDEM Con Lead

YouGov/Sun 2012-02-20 - 39 38 10 1
Populus/Times 2012-02-19 - 37 39 11 -2
ICM/Guardian 2012-02-19 - 36 37 14 -1
YouGov/Sunday Times 2012-02-17 - 37 41 7 -4
ComRes/Independent 2012-02-16 - 39 38 10 1
YouGov/Sun 2012-02-16 - 39 39 9 0
YouGov/Sun 2012-02-15 - 39 40 9 -1
YouGov/Sun 2012-02-14 - 40 39 9 1

Awful Truth.....living up to your name! Please check your facts.....Tories poll lead smashed...Lol. The polls have been changing week to week my friend

what you call this proof of what? all its shows is that you have never had one good lead in all of them...as polls have a 5% either way put into them...hell if this is the best the Tories can poll now.... god help them come the real poll...

oftenwrong wrote:Is David Cameron a moron from the outer reaches of the universe?

Not moronic, but meretricious. David Cameron cannot resist telling people what he thinks they want to hear, so in one speech he is banker-busting, and in another he is telling the City how much we rely upon it.

How very true...he is the man with more hats than a hat shop...

oftenwrong wrote:Is David Cameron a moron from the outer reaches of the universe?

Not moronic, but meretricious. David Cameron cannot resist telling people what he thinks they want to hear, so in one speech he is banker-busting, and in another he is telling the City how much we rely upon it.

You have noticed that as well OW, He jumped on the bandwagon when he seen Ed Miliband getting praise for bringing up Good Business and Bad Business at last years conference and now he has changed his tune is that because some of the Tory party Donors are kicking up a fuss.