A 'government of firsts'

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This government seem to be a 'government of firsts' and I don't mean honors degrees.

We recently had the first NHS Hospital to be run by a private company and today it was announced that we will see the first Police Station to be Built run and staffed by the Tories' favourite private security firm G4S....You know the ones who handle prisoners in transit and private prisons...

G4S, Private Firm, To Run Police Station In Lincolnshire

Private security firm G4S will design, build and help run a police station in what is thought to be the first deal of its kind.

Although the deal with Lincolnshire Police Authority could save up to £28m, it has been criticised by the the Police Federation who warned private sector contracts could leave police officers "high and dry in times of national emergency".

Any takers for a Fire Station????

Wasn't the 50p rate supposed to be a 1 year temporary measure? according to Alistair Darling....And if not, why didn't Labour introduce this in 97 rather than wait until they knew they were going to lose power.

If the 50p is shown to be a revenue loser and also discouraged foreign investment and business growth, do you still believe the rate it to be correct or do you think that more investment by companies both here and abroad would help drive the British economy forward

We are often told, by this government that the'wealth creators' are being driven away by the fact that we have a 50% tax rate but they seem reluctant or unable to give the numbers or even names of some of those who have left...or where they went to.....

I trust that next year, with the reduction of this rate there will be a big influx of all those people back to the country...

I wonder what happened to Camorons call for Patriotism or is that just something that is expected from the less well off?

astradt1 wrote:We are often told, by this government that the'wealth creators' are being driven away by the fact that we have a 50% tax rate but they seem reluctant or unable to give the numbers or even names of some of those who have left...or where they went to.....

I trust that next year, with the reduction of this rate there will be a big influx of all those people back to the country...

I wonder what happened to Camorons call for Patriotism or is that just something that is expected from the less well off?

Yes astrad1 they will come back but there money will stay in the off shore account.

Blue, overseas investors are happy to come here in any case because they can now fing cheap labour and are able to abuse the tax system.
Many businessmen here have been noted as bragging that they pay less in tax than their cleaners. If Gideon is going to close these tax loopholes (which I doubt will be his priority) then surely this measure will drive many away and not encourage new investment.

All the measures set out in the budget are supposed to assist "small business" however will ony assist the large wealthy companies, therefore again it is all for the rich once again as they are the ones who clamber for tax avoidence and no doubt evasion if they can get away with it.

In addition the reduction of the top rate is supposed to help companies expand. There are thousands upon thousands of company directors and indeed employees who are earning £150k and over pa who will gain by this cut.
What and how if any do you see this benefit growth and company expansion if the majority of benificiaries are mainly indevidual employees?

Very rich for Gideon to slam tax avoidence when he and his front benchers enjoy this facility themselves.

Mel wrote:The thing that concerns me Red is that Cameron is doing more damage to the poor and middle classes in 5yrs than the Witch achieved in some 13ys and nothing and nobody it seems can or will do anything about it.

There is only one group of people that can stop Scam..er..on and that is the voting public Mel they put them in so they will have too get there heads together and decide the best way of getting them out, IMHO they will listen too us so the next thing is ACTION either a General Strike or Civil Disobedience or something along the lines of what the youth did last summer without the looting or any criminal damage, I have my own ideas B.B.Q or hang draw and quarter the entire front benches and warn anybody takes there seats they would suffer the same fate I know Im kinda quite nasty but you got to fight fire with fire.

Red, sorry to sound pessimistic but I feel that the average man in the street will do nothing to rid us of this disgusting shower.
He may moan and groan but the old days of the soapbox in Hyde Park and the strength of union protest has withererd on the vine. Camer-con has seen to it that he and his henchmen have a full 5yrs to destroy all left wing implemented policies. Worse than that they will replace them with Tory ones and are doing so unoposed and with total arrogance. God help us, no one else will.

The 2012 United Kingdom local elections are due to take place across England, Scotland and Wales on 3 May 2012.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_local_elections,_2012

Unless apathy rules yet again, this should provide the opportunity for a referendum on the Coalition.

If they're still grinning afterwards, the British Electorate will have what it deserves.

I don't know if this is the right thread, but it could be a first.

I've been thinking about things here, and how like the US it is becoming. Everything being sold of to private enterprise, our NHS being privatised, our police being armed (on special occasions), the poor neglected etc. etc.

Then I read of Camerons visit to the US a week or so ago. His visit to a basketball game and generally being shown around.

Then I read this

"The alliance between the United States and Great Britain is a partnership of the heart, bound by the history, traditions and values we share," they wrote.

"But what makes our relationship special - a unique and essential asset for our nations and the world - is that we join hands across so many endeavours.

"Put simply, we count on each other and the world counts on our alliance."

Then it all makes sense. We are being primed to be the next US state:roll:

If anyone else has posted a similar theory I apologise. I may have missed it.

"Unless apathy rules yet again" It will OW.

"If they're still grinning afterwards," No doubt they will be OW.

I understand from a friend of mine (LD supporter) that All known LD supporters have been e-mailed or written to at length by their various LD MP's, offering "their take" on the budget.

Clegg is being hailed for----wait for it----"standing up to the Tories on behalf of the poor the elderly and the sick." Giving him much credit for the so called "generous pension increase and the lower rate tax measure and hitting the rich."

ALL the other many cruel and unfair Tory measures he has gone along with.
Even so I expect the thick the apathetic and the duped will do the wrong thing at voting time once again.

" Clegg is being hailed for----wait for it----"standing up to the Tories on behalf of the poor the elderly and the sick." Giving him much credit for the so called "generous pension increase and the lower rate tax measure and hitting the rich."

Truly, no lie is too big, too far-fetched, or too unpleasantly displayed in a morass of shit , for the LibDems or their friends to seek to lay in front of the public. I have news for them : some of us are not as gullible as they would dearly wish us to be...

Mel wrote:-
Clegg is being hailed for----wait for it----"standing up to the Tories on behalf of the poor the elderly and the sick." Giving him much credit for the so called "generous pension increase and the lower rate tax measure and hitting the rich."

Astonishing. The pension rise is in line with inflation, so not an increase in real terms, while the changes to personal allowances will cost pensioners anything from £80 to £300 a year. And thanks to Clegg failing to stand up to the Tories, we're all paying more tax because he allowed them to introduce that 'VAT bombshell' he warned us about in the election campaign:-



The sick have had their benefits cut and the poor don't pay tax, so thresholds make no difference to them. We once again have proof that just about everything Clegg says is a sham. And his party is so deluded that they're discussing how they must replace Labour as 'the party of the left':-
http://www.libdemvoice.org/opinion-lib-dems-must-replace-labour-as-the-party-of-the-left-27670.html

8% of people think that Elvis Presley is still alive. I wonder if they're the same 8% who still support the Liberal Democrats?

Red, sorry to sound pessimistic but I feel that the average man in the street will do nothing to rid us of this disgusting shower

Of course they will Mel......If the coalition's policies have failed to work by the next GE and Labour and Miliband get their act together to offer an alternative, then the man/women in the street will vote them out....simples!

Blue, that is obvious. I was referring to the ousting of your damn lot before the next election.

Millionaire Gideon Osborne yesterday denied he was a top rate taxpayer.

He dissmissed suggestions he would benefit on income over £150,000 from 50p to 45p.

The barsteward made no mention of the rental income from his £2million-a- year house or his £4million stake in the family wallpaper business.

He denied it twice. First when Ed asked the Tory front bench to "own up or nod" if any of them would benefit. Second denial came in a TV interview.

Do these creeps think we are unable to see through their lies?
Answer yes, because only the few bother to check out these lies. We certainly cannot rely upon the media/press to highlight the subject. The BBC in particular.

Blue, that is obvious. I was referring to the ousting of your damn lot before the next election

And I was saying that the electorate needs to be an alternative for that to happen. Unfortunately Labour are currently not providing that. It's no good Miliband coming out with a 5 minute winge on coalition policies and then later saying they wouldn't reverse them or at refusing to to say they would, or have an alternative in mind.
All that tells the electorate is that Labour currently hasn't got a clue what it would do in the current situation.
I am usually a fan of Chukka Umuna, but I was quite disappointed with his performance last might on QT. He had a great opportunity to come down hard on the coalition, but he hardly said anything...just shook his head a bit. The audience showed much more passion!!!
When will Labour give floating voters the confidence to vote for them again???

BBC told Dmbleby to keep interupting him

For once I have to agree with you guys and say the panel was biased in favour of the coalition...No one there really seriously challenged any issues on the budget

"If you are paying attention remove your blue tinted specs and see what is, not what you want."

Ha ha ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

blueturando wrote:For once I have to agree with you guys and say the panel was biased in favour of the coalition...No one there really seriously challenged any issues on the budget

The Yellow Tories could of stopped some of what the blue Tories have done but as the the L/Ds have not got a backbone to stand up to Scam..er..on and his cohorts but by the time the next GE they will be wiped out as a party and they can thank Nick Clegg Vince Cable and Danny Alexander who no party will touch them with a barge pole.

This is the first time I have known of a government who reccomends the storage of fuel in domestic property and we have result of such a dangerous practice

A woman has been badly burned after petrol ignited as she transferred it between containers in her kitchen.

The woman was decanting fuel from one container to another in a house in York when it ignited and set fire to her clothing, North Yorkshire Fire and Rescue Service said.

She was taken to hospital with 40% burns to her body.

Two firefighters put out the fire and removed the remaining petrol.

A fire service spokesman warned people about storing petrol in their homes.

Peter Hudson, of North Yorkshire Fire and Rescue Service, said: "Members of the public should take extreme care when handling and storing petrol and be aware of the risks associated with incorrect use and storage of fuel.

Now I dont know who the more foolish one was, The woman for doing such a stupid thing, or the Tory Politician who recommended the storage of such a highly combustible substance in her home. My guess is it is the woman who was the more foolish, not for storing the petrol, but for taking on board anything a Tory says.

Personally though, I find it appalling that a Minister of state, who is Charged with the safety of the general public, could be so stupid as to recommend such an dangerous (potentially fatal) action. I mean you don’t have to be very clever to realise you are in effect putting an incendiary bomb in your home, but when told to do so by one of the supposed leaders of the Country, takes it to a whole new level.

Is there anything this Government do right, it seems all they touch turns to crap, not quite the Midas touch is it.

Both stupid really!!!

blueturando wrote Both stupid really!!!

Yes but only one of them got burnt, and that wasn't the tottaly irresponsible Tory minister. I see you still can not bring yourself to damn directly an act by this Government, I mean only one woman got burnt, but it could so easily have been an entire family, or it could have happened in a High rise flat, causing a Major Incident and several deaths.
This Government and anyone who has anything to do with them are a total liability, and anyone with any intelligence should be able to see that. But then We all know by now, a dye in the wool Tory will always support the party of their choice for no other reason than the agree with all they are doing

Yes but only one of them got burnt, and that wasn't the tottaly irresponsible Tory minister. I see you still can not bring yourself to damn directly an act by this Government

No I can Bobby.....Maude was an IDIOT! The idea was to stir up the public into criticising the tanker drivers and Unite to try and stop any proposed strike....and it's back fired.

Once again, I will always criticise my own party when I think they are wrong

On the positive side bobby, she probably didn't vote for the coalition anyway.

Maude is an insignificant Tory MP. One that can obviously be wasted for a good Tory cause.
Take the limelight and the pressure off Camer the con with his cash for influence and indeed the cut in the top rate tax etc. A very clever diversion and Maude is therefore not an "idiot" just Tory fodder.

Take care you don't get your own fingers burned Land.

The moral seems to be don't mess with petrol while you're re-heating the pasties.

"...don't mess with petrol while you're re-heating the pasties"

Damn! An embryonic Pease Pottage Conservative Club item cruelly dashed by advance publicity.

A chap can't simply make up something in lieu of reporting the actual events of the week...

I hope you are all going on yer hols tommorrow!

The airport tax goes up on Sunday (NO! It's NOT an April Fool) so that is another thing to catch ou when you get back!

ME?

Going to Smithfield's Market on Sunday!!


They are having a BIG BRA hunt!!

Could be the pick me up I need! :affraid:

But for real excitement you have to join the Tory Party.
Never a dull moment!

On the story of the lady who was burned - and still in intensive care.

OK OK! it was a misinformed thing to do.

But we trust Gubmint do we not? If, in this "democracy" we trust gubmint, then we trust gubmint ministers? NO?

This woman's insurance is NOT going to pay up to repair the damage. How is her employer going to treat her with regards to sick payments.

This Government, through Francis Maude's statement made £35 million in EXTRA revenue from 3 days panic buying of petrol instigated by the transport minister's words.

I feel the Tory PARTY should recompense the lady in FULL (don't worry Blue, they will find some way of "not setting a precedent!") and in future undertake to be more responsible when being interviewed!

Torys are not MAD, STUPID but ARE different. This is an example of the same different we had in the 80s, and Blair AND cameron have sworn to get rid of this largesse in parliament.

I expect some wag to say, she'll make millions from the papers selling her story! If she did, then that would get Maude off of his hook? Murdoch IS seemingly turning his papers round we shall see on that point, but the initial responsibility still stands IMO

Proof, if further proof were needed, that the indigents of The Palace of Westminster are so busy scoring political points off each other, there's no-one competent to run the Country.

A Plague on all their houses!

blueturando wrote:For once I have to agree with you guys and say the panel was biased in favour of the coalition...No one there really seriously challenged any issues on the budget

Have you lot just noticed that its being going on since June 2010, I would imagine that they have been threatened with more cuts to the BBC Budget if the make it fair but that is nothing new coming from the Tories its a bit late now because they have let there mask of Goody Goody two shoes fall after the last ten days.

I don't think Cameron can be blamed for the woman burning herself.

tlttf wrote:On the positive side bobby, she probably didn't vote for the coalition anyway.

NOBODY voted for the coalition

Blamhappy wrote:I don't think Cameron can be blamed for the woman burning herself.

But Minister Francis Maude who gave out that information to store petrol in jerry cans is responsible and of course he was one of Maggies Muppet from her reign of Terror.

Cameron will MAKE SURE he gets no backfire from this incident even to the point of denying he ever said "We are ALL in it together"

astra wrote:Cameron will MAKE SURE he gets no backfire from this incident even to the point of denying he ever said "We are ALL in it together"

We all know what there version of we are all in this together" Every Man for Himself", as the L/Ds will find out later when the Tories give them all the blame for the nasty decisions.

blueturando wrote:

Blue, that is obvious. I was referring to the ousting of your damn lot before the next election

And I was saying that the electorate needs to be an alternative for that to happen. Unfortunately Labour are currently not providing that. It's no good Miliband coming out with a 5 minute winge on coalition policies and then later saying they wouldn't reverse them or at refusing to to say they would, or have an alternative in mind.
All that tells the electorate is that Labour currently hasn't got a clue what it would do in the current situation.
I am usually a fan of Chukka Umuna, but I was quite disappointed with his performance last might on QT. He had a great opportunity to come down hard on the coalition, but he hardly said anything...just shook his head a bit. The audience showed much more passion!!!
When will Labour give floating voters the confidence to vote for them again???

O how wrong you are, what's more I do hope you keep posting this sort of stuff. as its always great to see the Tories going in to an election with a inflate view of itself. ...I think the Labour party knows what it will do alright...but now is not the time to say it...

Redflag wrote:

astra wrote:Cameron will MAKE SURE he gets no backfire from this incident even to the point of denying he ever said "We are ALL in it together"

We all know what there version of we are all in this together" Every Man for Himself", as the L/Ds will find out later when the Tories give them all the blame for the nasty decisions.

Red the Tories are eyeing up Lib/Dem seat right now....they hope lib/dem's votes will switch to them? they fact is they always brake down in favour the Labour party in breaking two to one in the Labour parties favour. unless its a Lib/Dem vs Tory seat.