The public sector pay freeze and the abolition of national pay rates

Whatever they do this government is definitely fresh from the Twilight Zone...

Ivan wrote:And Norman Lamont reduced the dividend tax credit in 1993, but I don't remember any Tories calling that a "pension raid".

we both know way that was Ivan...as who runs the media? yep the Tory party and its friends in the press....

I think the press is turning...on the Tory incompetent legions.

AwfulTruth wrote:I think the press is turning...on the Tory incompetent legions.

your dead right, bit like this lot....


What the papers say: last week

As I watched the Budget and saw Messrs Cameron, Clegg, Osborne and Alexander [I] did get that "What do they know about anything?" feeling which, polls suggest, is doing the coalition harm.

Charles Moore, Daily Telegraph

The Chancellor and his rich cabinet colleagues cannot begin to understand what it's like to be so hard-up that a sharp rise in the price of a pasty will hurt.

The Sun editorial

Cameron has little time to put things right – once the public has made up its mind, no force on earth can change it. The proxies and cronies must go.

Peter Oborne, Daily Telegraph

The tax has ignited a political firestorm... leading the posh British prime minister, David Cameron, to claim — not all that convincingly — that he, truly, is an aficionado of the pasty (which rhymes with nasty).

Landon Thomas Jnr, New York Times



It is time Mr Cameron and his Chancellor realised how disconnected they appear from the people they purport to rule, and whose votes they seek.

Simon Heffer, Daily Mail

Good one Stox

Gideon Osborne's fiendish master-plan to pay lower rates in the deprived areas may prove an "own-goal" at the next election. Not only are the rich getting richer, but the wealthy South-East is getting further and further away from the norm in the rest of the Country, where Tory support is already weakening.

by oftenwrong Today at 9:31 am



Gideon Osborne's fiendish master-plan to pay lower rates in the deprived areas may prove an "own-goal" at the next election. Not only are the rich getting richer, but the wealthy South-East is getting further and further away from the norm in the rest of the Country, where Tory support is already weakening.

I agree with the above with one reservation. There are many poor and reasonably poor in the South East. They are particularly badly hit by this government. Rents and council tax tend to be higher but pensions for the poor remain at national level. Help is available in benefits to those below a line, but that means they are already poor and although benefits help they are no way sufficient to cover rises. Those just above benefit levels are in trouble.

I realise the rest of the country are feeling the pinch because of this disastrous Governments policies. Just putting in a thought for the not-so-rich of the 'wealthy South East'.

By the way, I don't live in the S.E. but have relatives there who are 'surviving'.

oftenwrong wrote:Gideon Osborne's fiendish master-plan to pay lower rates in the deprived areas may prove an "own-goal" at the next election. Not only are the rich getting richer, but the wealthy South-East is getting further and further away from the norm in the rest of the Country, where Tory support is already weakening.

Incisive point!

It beggars belief that Osborne could be so grotesquely inept, naive and palpably incompetent!

Having said this the Tory men-in-grey-suits cohort (I have this on good authority) are already stirring, so feel free to anticipate a leadership challenge within the Tory party, some time soon. Let us be absolutely clear: Cameron losing his leadership job is impending and inexorable: his boots are on the table, his bags are metaphorically packed, the die is cast and the writing is on the wall - behind him. It's behind you, Cameron!

Having said that they are rather good quality boots; hand made at high expense by one of the world's most exclusive boot makers. In fact they were made by virgin nuns at the local branch of the Sisters of Absolutely No Mercy Convent, and hand stitched by small indentured child slaves who are regularly whipped to keep them compliant and paid peanuts, kept in the dark and fed on sh...very poor food from the Tesco bargain bucket.

Have fun dear heart!

Yes Trevor, I agree with you - well said.

The real, overriding issue across the electoral voting public, however, is about honesty.

If a Tory middle England voter feels that the Tory government (forget about the cling-on also ran LibDems), has been telling porky pies then this issue alone will, not might, sink them at the next election.

And, it is just too late to change the electorate's, in my opinion, concreted-in final judgement on the Tory leadership.

They think it's all over and indeed it is!

There are many poor and reasonably poor in the South East. They are particularly badly hit by this government. Rents and council tax tend to be higher but pensions for the poor remain at national level. Help is available in benefits to those below a line, but that means they are already poor and although benefits help they are no way sufficient to cover rises.

Then again this was pointed out to teh government when they decided to put a cap on total benefits....But if you really think about it by placing a cap on benefits will just intimidate the poorer from the south to move further north, leaving the south a haven for the rich...........

Astrad1.

The problem with that is the poor of the south can't afford to move next door, let alone north. If you have a house in the south you can probably afford to sell and buy, leaving money over. For the real poor, exchange house is difficult in council terms. While the southerners would possibly like to move north, if they could afford removal costs, there is a shortage of housing everywhere. Most local councils can't house all on their housing lists, let alone people from other areas.

And who of the poor, in their right mind, would want to move south.

And then, if the working man were to leave the south, who would clean the millionaires mansions, and windows, work in the shops, clean the streets. It's not just the poor on benefits struggling.

It's a crazy world world ain't it

Trevor....I didn't say it was a perfect plan just that it was the Tory plan...

Being in the the position of having no money must be hard to bear, but less daunting, one imagines, than having no hope...

The most reliable Hope in prospect is that the Tory-led Coalition is about to implode on its own inadequacy. They embarass even the people who voted for them.

AwfulTruth wrote:Good one Stox

THANKS AWFUL TRUTH. i Thought it was about time it was said by the right wing press

AwfulTruth wrote:Let us all conclude that most people are now finding it impossible to pay their bills and all those frittering taxes and that the Cameron machine does not give a fig!

Perception and reality have now united to create a Shakespearian sea-change in Tory popularity.

The ides of March and all that...

Their is something very wrong indeed when a government cut Tax to the rich few. while hitting the poor very hard. still if you or them had £250,000 you could chat about it with Cameron over a KFC with Sam....What does that say about this Government.....its says to me...you can buy your self a Tax cut or anything else as long as you pay up to fund the Tory party...how sick that is too me

Phil Hornby wrote:Being in the the position of having no money must be hard to bear, but less daunting, one imagines, than having no hope...

Phil
we summed up i believe. what does it say when you even take away there hope...

Stox 16 wrote:

AwfulTruth wrote:Let us all conclude that most people are now finding it impossible to pay their bills and all those frittering taxes and that the Cameron machine does not give a fig!

Perception and reality have now united to create a Shakespearian sea-change in Tory popularity.

The ides of March and all that...

Their is something very wrong indeed when a government cut Tax to the rich few. while hitting the poor very hard. still if you or them had £250,000 you could chat about it with Cameron over a KFC with Sam....What does that say about this Government.....its says to me...you can buy your self a Tax cut or anything else as long as you pay up to fund the Tory party...how sick that is too me

And because pasties are SO expensive now, £250,000 will not cover it. Maybe £1,000.000 will get into the Chipping Norton swingers orgy? Imagine seeing you know who without any clothes! :affraid: He would probably look like a hairless slug... For legal reasons I am unable to mention any names here!

AefulTruth quote.

And because pasties are SO expensive now, £250,000 will not cover it. Maybe £1,000.000 will get into the Chipping Norton swingers orgy? Imagine seeing you know who without any clothes! :affraid: He would probably look like a hairless slug... For legal reasons I am unable to mention any names here!

Aw. Go on. Be a devil. We'll bail you out.

by astradt1 Yesterday at 10:03 pm



Trevor....I didn't say it was a perfect plan just that it was the Tory plan...

And I was enjoying the thought of the top man in a city firm having to clean his own mansion windows, all the working class having moved north.