Are Cameron and Osborne's days numbered?

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We seem to have had a thread about Milliband and time running out for his leadership but now there seem to be more and more knives coming out for Vatman and Dobbing, I'll let you decide who is who?

It now seems more and more of their own side (Tory MP's) are openly speaking out against them........

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Nadine Dorries: David Cameron And George Osborne Are 'Arrogant Posh Boys'


David Cameron and George Osborne are "arrogant posh boys" who do not understand the lives of ordinary people, according to Tory MP Nadine Dorries.

Speaking on the BBC's Daily Politics programme on Monday, the MP for Mid-Bedfordshire was asked if she thought the prime minister and chancellor were out of touch with voters.

"Unfortunately I think that not are only Cameron and Osborne two posh boys who don't understand the price of milk," she said. "They are too arrogant posh boys who show no remorse, no contrition and no passion to want to understand the lives of others - and that is their real crime."
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/04/23/nadine-dorries-david-cameron-posh-boys_n_1445068.html?ref=uk-politics&ref=uk

Ivanhoe wrote:

Redflag wrote:

Ivanhoe wrote:

oftenwrong wrote:The most famous utterance of a modern American President was perhaps when Clinton said, "It's the Economy, stupid!"

In one sense the complexion of British Politics ceased to matter in 2008. The Year that the money ran out, beyond the power of either Left-wing or Right-wing to repair.

Since then the downward path of GDP has been inexorable, and the Tory-led Coalition have largely been filling sandbags to keep what money they have from slipping out under the door.

We all laughed when an outgoing Labour Treasury Minister left a note for his successor saying that there was no money left, but the incoming Tories realised that this was no less than the truth, and have spent the time since in moving lots of public money out of reach of The Poor.

No money left ?. £9.1billion a year on foreign aid. Money for fighting wars in the middle East....£50 million a day to the EU.

This coalition are getting away with murder. literally.

You got that one right Ivanhoe, so when are the UK public going to tell the Tories enough is enough ?

Never is the answer to that one Redflag.

Surely not Ivanhoe, people can only take so much and then they snap and want to give the male politicians a new BOW TIE.

Brian Binley, Tory MP, Says David Cameron Is The Lib Dems' 'Chamber-Maid', In Latest Backbench Attack

The prime minister has become little more than the "chamber-maid" for the Liberal Democrats, Tory MP Brian Binley has said in the latest outburst against David Cameron's leadership by a member of his own party.

Writing on his blog on Wednesday, the MP for Northampton South, said Cameron has been "run ragged" by Nick Clegg and should start listening to Tory backbenchers.

Binley is not the only Tory backbencher who is unhappy at the direction of the government and critics are likely to grow louder as the party conference season approaches.

Yesterday senior Tory backbencher Tim Yeo attacked the prime minister for opposing the expansion of Heathrow, challenging him to show wether he was "man or mouse".

While London Mayor Boris Johnson recently criticised Cameron for "pussyfooting" around on creating growth in the UK economy.

In the past the prime minister has also been ridiculed as an "arrogant posh boy" by Tory MP Nadine Dorries while Stewart Jackson questioned what the point of the coalition was "other than to keep Cameron in No 10 at any cost?"

Conor Burns, who resigned as a ministerial aide over Lords reform, told the Spectator earlier this month that some Tory MPs "now fear that people are more interested in leading the coalition than leading the party they were elected to lead".

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/08/29/brian-binley-tory-mp-attacks-cameron-chamber-maid_n_1839609.html?1346252757&utm_hp_ref=uk

How many signatures are needed for there to a Tory leadership vote?

The forthcoming Party Conferences promise some lively debate. The first chronologically will be the Trade Unions. Will they point the direction for Labour, or throw their toys out of the pram? The Parliamentary Conservative Party seem united in condemnation of their Leader, the Coalition generally and Nick Clegg specifically - in that order. September won't be dull reading.

Cameron meets Andrew Strauss - a prospective Tory MP?



" I suppose you felt you had to resign after those setbacks recently, Andrew?"

" Indeed so, Prime Minister -what about you...?"

Strauss is well known as a Tory fund-raiser. When the nasty party had its last winter ball (or whatever they call it these days), apart from auctioning some City internships, it raised £25,000 from someone with more money than sense who paid that for a round of golf with Strauss.

Different sports personailities have different political allegencies. Not so long ago Ed Miliband held a Labour party fundraiser at the Emirates Stadium where Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson donated his speech notes, delivered to his team before the Champions League final

astradt1 wrote:Brian Binley, Tory MP, Says David Cameron Is The Lib Dems' 'Chamber-Maid', In Latest Backbench Attack

The prime minister has become little more than the "chamber-maid" for the Liberal Democrats, Tory MP Brian Binley has said in the latest outburst against David Cameron's leadership by a member of his own party.

Writing on his blog on Wednesday, the MP for Northampton South, said Cameron has been "run ragged" by Nick Clegg and should start listening to Tory backbenchers.

Binley is not the only Tory backbencher who is unhappy at the direction of the government and critics are likely to grow louder as the party conference season approaches.

Yesterday senior Tory backbencher Tim Yeo attacked the prime minister for opposing the expansion of Heathrow, challenging him to show wether he was "man or mouse".

While London Mayor Boris Johnson recently criticised Cameron for "pussyfooting" around on creating growth in the UK economy.

In the past the prime minister has also been ridiculed as an "arrogant posh boy" by Tory MP Nadine Dorries while Stewart Jackson questioned what the point of the coalition was "other than to keep Cameron in No 10 at any cost?"

Conor Burns, who resigned as a ministerial aide over Lords reform, told the Spectator earlier this month that some Tory MPs "now fear that people are more interested in leading the coalition than leading the party they were elected to lead".

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/08/29/brian-binley-tory-mp-attacks-cameron-chamber-maid_n_1839609.html?1346252757&utm_hp_ref=uk

How many signatures are needed for there to a Tory leadership vote?

According to Nadine Dorris its 46, and from what she has said she has more than the 46 willing to sign Scam..er..ons death warrant.

It would be entirely in keeping with the usual Tory brand of loyalty to stab a leader in the back if the going looks as if it is getting a bit tough. Those who are muttering in the wings now are those who, a couple of years ago, would have told you that Cameron was the greatest PM we have ever had and could walk on water while sunbeams emanated from his bottom.

Now Dave is discovering that to trust a Tory MP is about as wise as kissing a rattlesnake which has an especially bad toothache and whose mother-in-law is about to commence a lengthy visit*...

* ( nothing personal-honest!)

Phil Hornby wrote:It would be entirely in keeping with the usual Tory brand of loyalty to stab a leader in the back if the going looks as if it is getting a bit tough. Those who are muttering in the wings now are those who, a couple of years ago, would have told you that Cameron was the greatest PM we have ever had and could walk on water while sunbeams emanated from his bottom.

Now Dave is discovering that to trust a Tory MP is about as wise as kissing a rattlesnake which has an especially bad toothache and whose mother-in-law is about to commence a lengthy visit*...

* ( nothing personal-honest!)

What your saying PH if you get into a bed with fleas you will catch them also, and I am being personnel I do not like any Tory wether dead of alive.

Having read the opinions regarding all politics etc; I would just like to pose a simple quesion.

Just what would you do under the present circumstances and suicide is not an opption.

Neither Cameron nor Osborne are dieties, polyglide, so your mystification is likely to remain. Suicide is always an option, but the named persons are emphatically unworthy of any such response.

polyglide wrote:Having read the opinions regarding all politics etc; I would just like to pose a simple quesion.

Just what would you do under the present circumstances and suicide is not an opption.

That is easy polyglide, I myself would get everything I needed to help out the entire UK by getting rid of the entire Tory front bench that would definitely make me feel much much better. That being done I know the rest of the UK would also feel much better not having to suffer any more at the hands of the Tories, but they would have suffered at the hands of one of the 90% that they do not give TWO FCUKS for.

Suicide was not an option as part of my quesion.

However, it was put in because it would be the easy way out.

So we get rid of the Tories, then what?.

We are in a mess and it matters not who is to blame only in as much as they should not have the chance to do it again.

I repeat the quesion, just what do you think the answer is?.

First and foremost the "mess we are in" We were in a mess in 2008/9 because of the Global banking crisis, to which governments here and overseas, suffered the concequences of this crisis.
Brown and Labour were unjustifiably blamed by the media/press and the Tory propaganda machine that became so relenteless that many gullible voters believed it to be the case.

The Tories just about got into power with the LD's who were under the leadership of the saffron blue Clegg who was to pumped up to having his ego boosted caved into everything the Tories wanted.

Labour had achieved much with saving the banks and the brilliant Darling got us out of recession by the time of the GE. Since that time under virtual Tory domination we are in a worse mess than we were in in 2009 and in a double dip.

Government borrowing is cheap and instead of stifling the economy with further unemployment, reducing tax reveues for the exchequer and costing the country billions in unemployment benefits. Implementing nothing more than complete Tory ideology in preference to working for growth for the nation as a whole instead boosting the profits and wealth of the already wealthy. With this low borrowing facility the government could kick start the economy by creating jobs via building infrastucture, houses, hospitals, schools, roads. This is the answer Poly and not this austerity nonsense that suits the rich only.

The Tories are as we can so clearly see, not interested in growth as their main aim. Tory ideology comes as their priority and in doing so the object is to reverse all Labour policies that were put in place to safeguard the ordinary man in the street and to make sure those changes are virtually irriversible.

Mel wrote:First and foremost the "mess we are in" We were in a mess in 2008/9 because of the Global banking crisis, to which governments here and overseas, suffered the concequences of this crisis.
Brown and Labour were unjustifiably blamed by the media/press and the Tory propaganda machine that became so relenteless that many gullible voters believed it to be the case.

The Tories just about got into power with the LD's who were under the leadership of the saffron blue Clegg who was to pumped up to having his ego boosted caved into everything the Tories wanted.

Labour had achieved much with saving the banks and the brilliant Darling got us out of recession by the time of the GE. Since that time under virtual Tory domination we are in a worse mess than we were in in 2009 and in a double dip.

Government borrowing is cheap and instead of stifling the economy with further unemployment, reducing tax reveues for the exchequer and costing the country billions in unemployment benefits. Implementing nothing more than complete Tory ideology in preference to working for growth for the nation as a whole instead boosting the profits and wealth of the already wealthy. With this low borrowing facility the government could kick start the economy by creating jobs via building infrastucture, houses, hospitals, schools, roads. This is the answer Poly and not this austerity nonsense that suits the rich only.

The Tories are as we can so clearly see, not interested in growth as their main aim. Tory ideology comes as their priority and in doing so the object is to reverse all Labour policies that were put in place to safeguard the ordinary man in the street and to make sure those changes are virtually irriversible.

Very Very well said Mel you have reported it with 100% honesty, although do not be supprised if there is some that are not in the same mind as you me and bobby.

Redflag wrote:

Mel wrote:First and foremost the "mess we are in" We were in a mess in 2008/9 because of the Global banking crisis, to which governments here and overseas, suffered the concequences of this crisis.
Brown and Labour were unjustifiably blamed by the media/press and the Tory propaganda machine that became so relenteless that many gullible voters believed it to be the case.

The Tories just about got into power with the LD's who were under the leadership of the saffron blue Clegg who was to pumped up to having his ego boosted caved into everything the Tories wanted.

Labour had achieved much with saving the banks and the brilliant Darling got us out of recession by the time of the GE. Since that time under virtual Tory domination we are in a worse mess than we were in in 2009 and in a double dip.

Government borrowing is cheap and instead of stifling the economy with further unemployment, reducing tax reveues for the exchequer and costing the country billions in unemployment benefits. Implementing nothing more than complete Tory ideology in preference to working for growth for the nation as a whole instead boosting the profits and wealth of the already wealthy. With this low borrowing facility the government could kick start the economy by creating jobs via building infrastucture, houses, hospitals, schools, roads. This is the answer Poly and not this austerity nonsense that suits the rich only.

The Tories are as we can so clearly see, not interested in growth as their main aim. Tory ideology comes as their priority and in doing so the object is to reverse all Labour policies that were put in place to safeguard the ordinary man in the street and to make sure those changes are virtually irriversible.

Very Very well said Mel you have reported it with 100% honesty, although do not be supprised if there is some that are not in the same mind as you me and bobby.

Britain is in the mess it is in due to over 30 years of right wing policy in this country. It all started with Thatcher and her free market, and we are still suffering recession due to too few people having too much money, and not enough people having enough money.

The Banking crisis is isolated. And not the cause of Britain's recession.

What Government should be doing is putting money into the majority of pockets of the majority, so people can spend and keep the shops open.

Britain's recession is home made, home built, but nobody in the media is saying this.

I have to agree with you on Thatcher and right wing policies over the years.
You are dead wrong though Ivanhoe, if you are including the Blair Brown years which I think you are.
Without those years of Blair and Brown, we would be the victims of total Tory domination, with delapidated schools, hospitals etc with everything under the sun privatised and costing the earth. Unless we get these buggers out now or at the next election we will suffer that fate.

Nobody with any sense was going to vote for the old style Labour in 1997 because we had moved on into a more modern cosmopolitan Britain, like it or not. Having the old Labour party back that you loved to fight the Tories would not be strong enough now without the dominance of the unions.
The unions killed all respect for themselves before Thatcher and paid the price along with the working people of this country. People do not want union ultra power anymore. Unfortunately for me they have become too much the other way and we could do with some union pressure put upon these political Tory tyrants right now before more damage is done.

Mel wrote:I have to agree with you on Thatcher and right wing policies over the years.
You are dead wrong though Ivanhoe, if you are including the Blair Brown years which I think you are.
Without those years of Blair and Brown, we would be the victims of total Tory domination, with delapidated schools, hospitals etc with everything under the sun privatised and costing the earth. Unless we get these buggers out now or at the next election we will suffer that fate.

Nobody with any sense was going to vote for the old style Labour in 1997 because we had moved on into a more modern cosmopolitan Britain, like it or not. Having the old Labour party back that you loved to fight the Tories would not be strong enough now without the dominance of the unions.
The unions killed all respect for themselves before Thatcher and paid the price along with the working people of this country. People do not want union ultra power anymore. Unfortunately for me they have become too much the other way and we could do with some union pressure put upon these political Tory tyrants right now before more damage is done.

Mel, Both Blair and Brown did nothing fundamental to reverse Thatcher's right wing free market policies. IE we have stlll got dilapidated schools, and hospital ect, with markets being driven into the NHS and schools being moved out of the State sector.

I dont agree that the British have changed.

We still need low rented social housing for people who cant afford to buy of which there are millions, we still need a nationalised NHS, we still need to return a manufacturing and business base, we still need a fair tax system, we still need higher State pensions for our elderly people and free residential care for all UK pensioners, plus a decent minimum wage.

Well Ivanhoe, I again agreewith the second part of you post.

What do you expect with a Tory dominated government that we have now and the aftermath of Thatchers doctrine?

Think of what the state of schools, hospitals etc would have been had Blair not won the 1979 GE.

I know you mean well but the old Labour party was not realisic in a modern world unfortunately and so we had a party with Blair as being a fairer one than the Tories or the old Labour party.

Mel wrote:Well Ivanhoe, I again agreewith the second part of you post.

What do you expect with a Tory dominated government that we have now and the aftermath of Thatchers doctrine?

Think of what the state of schools, hospitals etc would have been had Blair not won the 1979 GE.

I know you mean well but the old Labour party was not realisic in a modern world unfortunately and so we had a party with Blair as being a fairer one than the Tories or the old Labour party.

Blairism was old Thatcherism. Hardly fair Mel.

Blair didn't win the 1979 GE, Mel. It was an imposter.

Thanks OW, sharp as ever. 1997 of course. I must take more care.

A thousand lines and detention??

Apparently, Cameron is now going to 'cut through the dither' ( prepare to have your garden built upon as he 'relaxes planning rules') and get Britain moving again as he goes into the Party Conference Season and a new session of Parliament.

Some may consider it a shame, therefore, that he has not done anything in the first two-and-a-half years of his Premiership, except try to pursue a number of wretched Tory prejudices, and play politics for the benefit of his grubby Party and their hateful attempts to inflict 'punishments' upon those groups in society for whom they reserve especial contempt...

".... he has not done anything in the first two-and-a-half years of his Premiership...."

If only Cameron truly had done nothing, the Country would almost certainly be in a better state than it is.

Will he now have the courage to sack his failed smarmy Chancellor?

Interesting to see that David Davis has got so fed up with Dave C that he has put together his own policy document........PM in waiting?

With Dorris doing the stalking and suggesting that Boris would be a better alternative to Dave C....

Strange that she considers Dave C is a 'posh boy', but Boris was a member of the same clubs as Dave C, still there's no telling of what goes on in a Tory woman's mind!!!!

Ivanhoe wrote:

Redflag wrote:

Mel wrote:First and foremost the "mess we are in" We were in a mess in 2008/9 because of the Global banking crisis, to which governments here and overseas, suffered the concequences of this crisis.
Brown and Labour were unjustifiably blamed by the media/press and the Tory propaganda machine that became so relenteless that many gullible voters believed it to be the case.

The Tories just about got into power with the LD's who were under the leadership of the saffron blue Clegg who was to pumped up to having his ego boosted caved into everything the Tories wanted.

Labour had achieved much with saving the banks and the brilliant Darling got us out of recession by the time of the GE. Since that time under virtual Tory domination we are in a worse mess than we were in in 2009 and in a double dip.

Government borrowing is cheap and instead of stifling the economy with further unemployment, reducing tax reveues for the exchequer and costing the country billions in unemployment benefits. Implementing nothing more than complete Tory ideology in preference to working for growth for the nation as a whole instead boosting the profits and wealth of the already wealthy. With this low borrowing facility the government could kick start the economy by creating jobs via building infrastucture, houses, hospitals, schools, roads. This is the answer Poly and not this austerity nonsense that suits the rich only.





The Tories are as we can so clearly see, not interested in growth as their main aim. Tory ideology comes as their priority and in doing so the object is to reverse all Labour policies that were put in place to safeguard the ordinary man in the street and to make sure those changes are virtually irriversible.

Very Very well said Mel you have reported it with 100% honesty, although do not be supprised if there is some that are not in the same mind as you me and bobby.

Britain is in the mess it is in due to over 30 years of right wing policy in this country. It all started with Thatcher and her free market, and we are still suffering recession due to too few people having too much money, and not enough people having enough money.

The Banking crisis is isolated. And not the cause of Britain's recession.

What Government should be doing is putting money into the majority of pockets of the majority, so people can spend and keep the shops open.

Britain's recession is home made, home built, but nobody in the media is saying this.

Well said Ivanhoe we will just need to hope and pray the rest of the UK see it in the same way as we do, but with the way things are going and still worse cuts to come for only 90% of the UK public and next year could turn out to be the "Year of Discontent".

The only media that is reporting the truth are the left wing media, the BBC are too frightened of getting more money taken out of there budget because they are under threat from the Tories if they are not nice to the Tory party and MPs there budget will be cut back even more.

George Osborne looking around and giggling, albeit with hints of nervousness, as he was booed during the Paralympics If he was hoping for some signs of improvement on recent poll findings showing that he is the most unpopular member of the government, George Osborne was in for a rude awakening at the Olympic Stadium.

A chorus of boos rang out from the crowd at the announcer's mention of Osborne's name shortly before the chancellor presented medals to the winners of the Men's T38 400m, in which Mohamed Farhat Chida of Tunisia took gold.

Osborne, who admitted at the weekend that it was "not surprising" that the holder of his position was unpopular, appeared intent on laughing off the reaction and footage showed him looking around and giggling, albeit with hints of nervousness.

There was a mixed reception for the prime minister, David Cameron, who presented Ellie Simmonds with her second swimming gold medal of the Games. While he was not welcomed with universal applause, cheers from the crowd were reported to have drowned out booing.

Guardian Sport (part article)

That silly little Gideon fart, looked exactly what he is, a slimy pathetic inexperienced idiot of the first degree.
As for Cameron, this comment did make me laugh---"While he was not welcomed with universal applause, cheers from the crowd were reported to have drowned out booing." Obvious to anyone that the "cheers" were for Ellie Simmonds and not the attempted limelight grabbing Cameron.

Hello Mel, Lets be fair Gideon did have something to smile at, he was expecting to be boo'd by at least 120,000, but like everything Tory it was reduced to 80,000.

You are absolutely correct about the brilliant Ellie Simmonds and the cheers she recieved. Only the lowest of the low would try to steal the praise from such a great athlete.

After the games (sounds a bit Roman that) he will busy himself with removing the benefits that enabled many of the dissabled athletes the mobility to achieve what they have, and the Bastard will still be smiling.

bobby wrote:Hello Mel, Lets be fair Gideon did have something to smile at, he was expecting to be boo'd by at least 120,000, but like everything Tory it was reduced to 80,000.

You are absolutely correct about the brilliant Ellie Simmonds and the cheers she recieved. Only the lowest of the low would try to steal the praise from such a great athlete.

After the games (sounds a bit Roman that) he will busy himself with removing the benefits that enabled many of the dissabled athletes the mobility to achieve what they have, and the Bastard will still be smiling.

I watched that on the TV news bobby, to think that Osbourn is as detested as Clegg that is a turn up for the books the UK has allowed the Tories to get away with too much since they came into power, did you see Ozzy face DISBELIEF written all over it he thought the UK adored him and Scam..er..on I was hoping that the shock would have killed him or at least given him a HEARTLESS ATTACK. He will be waking this morning knowing that he is more detested than Clegg.

Hello bobby and Red,
What do they care about the booing? They are pretty sure the tyrants have another two + years to do the damage UNOPPSED so far mores the pity.

Can you just image the headlines in every rag if Brown had been booed? it would have gone on for weeks and never forgotten.

That cheeky thick skinned little rat Gideon has more or less said that all Chancellors are disliked. He will say anything to hide his shame. Perhaps shame is the wrong word for these Tories because thay have none whatsoever and plough on regardless.

I see Cameron is now trying to apease the public doing a Clegg trick ("hit the rich") by ridding himself of the unpopular Lansley (now that his cruel measures have been implemented) Warsi next with that UNT prat following with poor old Ken, the only one with any sense, for a Tory at least.
I hope they all come back to bite crafty Dave's ass.

Osborne needs to be told that he is useless and inexperienced, instead of treating him as an old Bullinton ass licker.

Cameron Addresses his Reshuffled Ministers

(guardian.co.uk)

" I have chosen you all because you are excellent communicators and , therefore, can articulate far more clearly than your predecessors why you are cocking everything up..."

Cameron Breaks it Gently to Lansley

(bbc.co.uk)

"Look at it this way, Andrew - I'm having you surgically removed..."

See? As I told you, we can get away with blue murder in a Coalition.

I do not think shuffling a set of idiots around will solve anything, what we need are people in the right places for the right reasons with the sole intention of making matters as equal for all concerned as is humanly possible.

Easily said but an almost impossible task.

There is no doubt that there are far better people out of politics than those in and who are far more qualified to approach all our problems in a realistic and acceptable manner, the problem is they are more interested in other matters and are leaving the real decisions to those less qualified and this gives the wrong people the opportunity to follow their own agenda which is never in the best interests of the population as a whole.

The answer of course is, I wish I had one.

Dennis Skinner (one of maybe 3 or 4 decent MP's in the entire house) laying into cameron at PMQs always great see! Dared the posh boys to call an election!

KnarkyBadger wrote:Dennis Skinner (one of maybe 3 or 4 decent MP's in the entire house) laying into cameron at PMQs always great see! Dared the posh boys to call an election!

Thank you KnarkyBadger another person that thinks the same as myself Dennis Skinner in my book is the Bees Knees, I love to watch PMQs more so if I see that Dennis is going to ask a question and always know it is going to be to the point no wrapping it up with fine words just aims for the Tory throat.

Mr.Speaker, I would like to make it absolutely clear that just because I described the Honourable Leader of the Opposition as "not very butch", that doesn't mean I couldn't fancy him.

Just think, with all those Tory MP's to pick from, Dave had to go and create yet another new Lord for his cabinet..........

astradt1 wrote:Just think, with all those Tory MP's to pick from, Dave had to go and create yet another new Lord for his cabinet..........

a valid point, astradt, but the greater pity is that retiring senior civil servants automatically appear on the Honours List - for doing the job they were (well-) paid to do.

Incidentally, would YOU have enjoyed picking members of a Tory Cabinet? The mere idea makes me feel nauseous.