2012 presidential debates

If surveillance ... in other words, targeting information ... comes from drones, then we'd still end up sending strike aircraft to bomb the very same targets the drone would identify ... so why not just use the drones instead of the aircraft

How many know of the 86 people killed when a suicide bomber blew up two mosques in Lehore, Pakistan? The 25 who were killed at a marketplace in Peshawar? The 40 who were killed while on a train in Moscow? The 28 killed and 300+ injured when Sunnis blew up a Shi'ite mosque in Zahedan, Iran? The 46 killed and 100+ wounded when a suicide bomber blew herself up in the middle of a UN food distribution center again in Pakistan?

Whilst it is wrong to kill non combatants at least suicide bombers are in the middle pressing the button and not thousands of miles away safe in the USA or one of it's bases like the drone operator when he or she presses the fire button and attacks civilians......

Shirina wrote:

Whilst it is wrong to kill non combatants at least suicide bombers are in the middle pressing the button and not thousands of miles away safe in the USA or one of it's bases like the drone operator when he or she presses the fire button and attacks civilians......

It's war, not a sporting event.

willingsniper wrote:

Shirina wrote:

Whilst it is wrong to kill non combatants at least suicide bombers are in the middle pressing the button and not thousands of miles away safe in the USA or one of it's bases like the drone operator when he or she presses the fire button and attacks civilians......

It's war, not a sporting event.

How did the debate effin erode to this. I typed effin myself.

Shirina wrote:
How many know of the 86 people killed when a suicide bomber blew up two mosques in Lehore, Pakistan? The 25 who were killed at a marketplace in Peshawar? The 40 who were killed while on a train in Moscow? The 28 killed and 300+ injured when Sunnis blew up a Shi'ite mosque in Zahedan, Iran? The 46 killed and 100+ wounded when a suicide bomber blew herself up in the middle of a UN food distribution center again in Pakistan?

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May 2010 attacks on Ahmadi mosques in Lahore

The perpetrators lobbed grenades and started firing as they attacked two places of worship of the minority Ahmadi sect in different residential neighborhoods.[4] The near simultaneous attacks were at Darul Zikr, Garhi Shahu and Bait-al Noor. Lack of security meant they easily infiltrated both the Mosques in Lahore Model Town and in Garhi Shahu, 15 km apart.^[12]

The attackers at Garhi Shahu, including two would be suicide bombers, entered the mosque without any resistance,^[13] before storming into the prayer halls firing guns, throwing grenades . The assault at Model Town involved two attackers opening fire on worshippers before exploding hand grenades. The attackers weren't taking any hostages and were killing indiscriminately .^[5]

The Elite Police arrived once the attackers had entered the mosques and did not launch an operation, the two attackers in Garhi Shahu blew themselves up though the attack in Garhi Shahu lasted four hours. 2 militants each were involved in both the attacks.^[6]

In model town both the attackers were captured alive as they were overpowered by some of the worshipers, one of the attackers was captured on the first floor by some of the young members of the Ahmaddiya Jammat i.e. Khuddam, and one was overpowered in the main hall on the ground floor by a worshiper who was an ex-army officer.^[14] At one time up to 3000 people were reported to be holed up in the mosque during the firing.^[15] This was the deadliest attack in Lahore of its kind, and one of the most severe in terms of lives lost in the history of persecution against Ahmadis.

References
5. "Pakistan mosque attacks in Lahore kill scores". BBC. May 28, 2010. Retrieved 29 May 2010.
6. Ahmed, Issam (May 28, 2010). "Why Taliban attacks two Muslim-minority mosques in Pakistan". The Christian Science Monitor. Retrieved 30 May 2010.
12. "Lahore attacks leave over 80 dead". geo.tv. 28 May 2010.
13. Waraich, Omar (May 29, 2010). "Worshippers slaughtered in deadly 'final warning'". The Independent. Retrieved 31 May 2010.
14. CNN-IBN. 28 May 2010. 16:32 IST
15. NDTV. 28 May 2010. 16:06–16:15 IST.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_2010_attacks_on_Ahmadi_mosques_in_Lahore#Attack


Terrorist incidents in Pakistan in 2012

This is a list of terrorist incidents in Pakistan in 2012. Pakistan has faced numerous attacks by insurgents as a result of the ongoing War in North-West Pakistan by the Pakistani military against militant groups, part of the War on Terror.

• 1 January - March 2012
  
• 2 April - June 2012
  
• 3 July - September 2012
  
• 4 October - December 2012
  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorist_incidents_in_Pakistan_in_2012
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Bomb blast in a market in Pakistan leaves 25 killed
January 3, 2011

At least 25 people have been killed and 30 more injured in a bomb attack in a market in Pakistan’s northwest tribal region near the Afghan border, officials say.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/06/16/246443/11-die-in-pakistan-market-bomb-blast/

25 killed, 65 wounded in market blast in NW Pakistan
June 16, 2012

People transfer a blast victim to a hospital in northwest Pakistan's Peshawar on June 16, 2012. A bomb planted in a pickup truck killed at least 25 people at a market in northwest Pakistan on Saturday and wounded 65, security and hospitals officials said, in one of the largest bombing death tolls in weeks.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/photo/2012-06/17/c_131657835.htm

40 dead in two Moscow subway blasts: reports
15:59 AEST Mon Mar 29 2010

At least 40 people have been killed in two separate explosions on Moscow's metro system, Russian news agencies reported.

The first explosion took place on a train while it was in the Lubyanka station in central Moscow, the spokeswoman for the Russian emergencies ministry Irina Andrianova told the ITAR-TASS news agency.

"14 people died in the wagon of the train and 11 on the platform," she said. At least 10 people were wounded.

A further 15 people were reportedly killed in a second explosion that ripped through the subway system. No other information is known about the blast.

Russia has opened a criminal investigation into "terrorism" following the blasts, the spokesman of the investigative committee of prosecutors said.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/1033371/40-dead-in-two-moscow-subway-blasts-reports

The last moments: Two suicide bombers pose for the camera as they strap on explosive vests before killing 28 at Iranian mosque
By Mail Foreign Service
UPDATED:03:07 EST, 17 July 2010
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These are the last moments of two suicide bombers as they strap on explosive vests minutes before detonating them at a prominent Shi'ite mosque in south east Iran.

Sunni Muslim rebel group Jundollah has claimed responsibility for the attack near the Grand Mosque in Zahedan, which it says was in retaliation for the execution of its leader Abdolmalek Rigi last month.

The powerful bombs killed at least 28 people at the holy site, including elite members of the Revolutionary Guard, and were apparently carried out by relatives of Abdolmalek Rigi.

Al Arabiya television reported: 'The group said the suicide attacks were carried out by Abdolbaset Rigi and Mohammad Rigi... and warned of more operations to come.'

[Photo] Retaliation: Mohammad Rigi, left, and Abdolbaset Rigi pose for the camera as explosive vests are strapped on them before they detonated the devices outside a mosque in Zahedan, killing 28 people

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1295331/Two-suicide-bombers-pose-camera-killing-28-Iranian-mosque.html?openGraphAuthor=%2Fhome%2Fsearch.html%3Fs%3D%26authornamef%3DMail%2BForeign%2BService

Female suicide bomber attacks Pakistan food aid center
Pakistan
December 26, 2010
By: Aimée Kligman

At least 46 people were killed and more than 100 wounded in a suicide bombing against UN World Food Program (WFP) distribution center in north-west Pakistan. The Center lies in the city of Khar, in the tribal district of Bajaur, on the Afghanistan border.

UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon was said to be horrified by this attack, and condemned 'this heinous terrorist act targeting innocent civilians'.

This is the first time that a female suicide bomber has been involved in such an attack, which took place Saturday where a large crowd had gathered to received food aid. She was reported to be between the ages of 18 and 22 and carried the explosives under her burqa.

http://www.examiner.com/article/female-suicide-bomber-attacks-pakistan-food-aid-center

willingsniper wrote:I saw the flash poll. I really don't like him Shirina. Romney that is.

My thoughts on Presidential candidate Mitt Romney
Tamara Kwan
Friday, 26 October 2012

This devout Mormon [Mitt Romney] was a bully in school and as a nearly grown man held down a fellow classmate and violently cut his hair off....because he was different. This same man used his religious beliefs as peaceful non violent Mormon to avoid the draft for the Vietnam War. That wasn't the only excuse he used. He sought and received two 2-S Student deferments then he sought and received a 4-D ministerial deferment. His sons also will never serve in the military, no matter what. They have clearly stated this. They have clearly stated that they believe that going on religious missions around the world to convert people to Mormonism is equal to serving their country in the Military. They refuse to send their sons to serve in the military and possibly die for their country but they are more than willing to sacrifice our sons and daughters to defend our country. And people want him to be in charge of our military? To be in charge of our sons, daughters, husbands, wives, fathers and mothers who bravely sacrifice their lives for our country...when him and his family flat out refuse to do the same. Think about that.

http://tammylynnblogs.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/my-thoughts-on-presidential-candidate.html