MPs call for 32% pay rise

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MPs have told the watchdog reviewing their pay that they deserve a 32% hike to £86,250.

A survey carried out by the Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority (Ipsa) also found more than a third believe they should keep generous final salary pensions.

The findings emerged as Ipsa published a report on its initial consultation into pay and pensions, which ended last month.

The research, which politicians completed anonymously, found that 69% thought they were underpaid on £65,738.

The average level suggested for the salary was £86,250.

But Tory MP Andrew Bridgen told BBC Radio 4's PM programme he believed MPs deserved more cash.

"Most of my colleagues on the government benches took a large pay cut to be an MP, and I think there’s a real danger, if you need good people, you need the right people, there’s a lot of exclusion," he said.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/01/10/mps-vote-to-increase-pay-86250_n_2448503.html?1357840986&utm_hp_ref=uk

Strange how when it comes to MP's you have to pay more to get good workers but for the rest of us we should be happy if we get minimum wages because we have a job.....

MP's should remember that they put themselves up for election, unless of course their Tory's then it was their rich friends who pushed them........

boatlady wrote:Isn't losing your parliamentary seat the same as being sacked?
And don't you just get your pay owed when you get the sack?
I don't understand why MP's should get anything except their pay up to date if they lose their seat (maybe regard it as redundancy, to be generous and pay off on the same terms as a redundancy)

I have said the same thing boatlady in an earlier post, if joe blogs gets the sack its P45 and any lying time pay and holiday pay and some bosses do not even pay that .

Don't quite know which thread this belongs on but have you noticed the addition to the benefits for invalids reform bill. A certain mobility allowance will now be reduced for people who can walk over just 20 yards instead of the 50 yards previously. Done to 'benefit the most needy'. Heavens above. You can now drive your mobility vehicle - or be drive by a friend - to the local Post Office, walk to the door and return to the car without your stamps.

Trevor - Being the very enthusiastic Europeans which they are , the Tories have said it will be 20 metres to qualify, rather than yards. Those Imperial measurements are so yesterday don't you feel?

That's the trouble with Conservatives - give 'em an inch and they take a kilometre.. .

Just wait until they realise a metre is longer than a yard. U-turn ahead...

Phil Hornby wrote:Trevor - Being the very enthusiastic Europeans which they are , the Tories have said it will be 20 metres to qualify, rather than yards. Those Imperial measurements are so yesterday don't you feel?

That's the trouble with Conservatives - give 'em an inch and they take a kilometre.. .

What's a metre? Thought that measured gas, electric etc.

skwalker1964 wrote:Just wait until they realise a metre is longer than a yard. U-turn ahead...

Your right skywalker a yard is 36 inches metre is 39 inches just goes to prove that there education costs where a waste of good money.

Give 'em an inch and they'll take a kilometre.

He'll realise eventually...

Realise what? I can take a hint. What is it?
I spent a lot of time up chimneys when I should have been at school.

oftenwrong wrote:Realise what? I can take a hint. What is it?
I spent a lot of time up chimneys when I should have been at school.

That must have been during the last tory gov't OW if I remember correctly thatcher sent school kids up the chimneys LOL.

Phil Hornby wrote:Trevor - Being the very enthusiastic Europeans which they are , the Tories have said it will be 20 metres to qualify, rather than yards. Those Imperial measurements are so yesterday don't you feel?

That's the trouble with Conservatives - give 'em an inch and they take a kilometre.. .

Compare and contrast...

New Readers begin here ....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2259314/Imperial-weights-measures-classroom-radical-shake-maths-lessons.html

Imperial weights and measures will be back in the classroom in radical shake-up of maths lessons

By Laura Clark

PUBLISHED:23:54, 8 January 2013

Half a league, half a league, half a league backwards...

oftenwrong wrote:New Readers begin here ....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2259314/Imperial-weights-measures-classroom-radical-shake-maths-lessons.html

Imperial weights and measures will be back in the classroom in radical shake-up of maths lessons

By Laura Clark

PUBLISHED:23:54, 8 January 2013

This only for those who go to state schools, remember Gove's free schools do not have to follow the national curriculum...One way of handicapping kids from state schools......

If Gove wants to tinker with descriptions of how things are measured you can be sure that something's a foot...

Phil Hornby wrote:If Gove wants to tinker with descriptions of how things are measured you can be sure that something's a foot...

Don't you mean ' something's a hand', which I believe is 4 inches.

What's a Cubit?

oftenwrong wrote:New Readers begin here ....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2259314/Imperial-weights-measures-classroom-radical-shake-maths-lessons.html

Imperial weights and measures will be back in the classroom in radical shake-up of maths lessons

By Laura Clark

PUBLISHED:23:54, 8 January 2013

That is understandable OW after all Gove is bringing back the school days of the 1950s, and it was all Imperial weights and measures

What's a Cubit?

Probably the size of Herr Camerons reptoductive thingamywhatsit.

I believe it is the distance between the tip and the first joint of the average index finger, so yeah the length of Camerons dick.

bobby wrote:What's a Cubit?

Probably the size of Herr Camerons reptoductive thingamywhatsit.

I believe it is the distance between the tip and the first joint of the average index finger, so yeah the length of Camerons dick.

I notice you had to use his dick as a yardstick for this post bobby, well since he has no brain cells we could not use the size of his brain capacity.

A Cubit - just under half a metre.

The cubit is a traditional unit of length, based on the length of the forearm: from the elbow to the tip of the middle finger.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cubit

It's amazing the trouble some people have with overestimating insignificant measurements...

In the past three days we have had two ideas on how workers other than MP's should be paid.....

First we had the Megalomaniac, Gove 'decide that teachers should be put on performance related pay...

Then we have May decide that recruits to the police service should have their starting pay cut by £4,000 a year.......

All this at time when MP's say they need a 32% pay rise........£20,000

Perhaps we should have a starting salary for MP's, after all when first elected they are new to the job and don't really know what they are doing, the same should happen to Ministers after all being appointed to a ministerial post is a promotion and I don't know of any public service job where you who go at top rate on being promoted......

Just think they could have yearly increments following annual appraisals carried out by their employers....Yes the Voters.....

Added to this yesterday George Eustice, former Cameron Press Secretary, now MP for Camborne and Redruth, complained that the media were giving MP's too harder time because 'they over analysed what MP's had to say.......

Astradt
Whatt a good idea!
Specially like the idea of annual appraisals

What happened to the idea of Voters having a right to "RECALL" their elected representative?

oftenwrong wrote:What happened to the idea of Voters having a right to "RECALL" their elected representative?

That is a great idea OW its one I would stand up for, we could have a shepherds crook and when they put a foot of place HAUL THEM IN.

" First we had the Megalomaniac, Gove 'decide that teachers should be put on performance related pay..."

There is already an element of PRP in the teachers' pay arrangements. Yet Gove also favours 'free' schools and Academies having the freedom to set their own pay rules and levels once they are out of local authority 'control' ( which has not actually existed since about 1990 after the Education Reform Act 1988).

The truth is - and has always been - that Gove makes up 'facts' to suit his own agenda of relentless propaganda to make it appear that he needs to intervene to save the nation from incompetent teachers. The Little Rat is a master of innuendo and misinformation against teachers and pretends to be part of a 'smaller government ' party while seeking to effect control over everything. He is one of the worst examples of hypocrisy in a ghastly government - quite an achievement given the slimy company he keeps.

What did the nation do, to deserve to be afflicted by such an awful reptile...?

What did the nation do, to deserve to be afflicted by such an awful reptile...?

We booted the Tory shitheads out on their arses in 1997 so now they see it as pay back time.

oftenwrong wrote:What happened to the idea of Voters having a right to "RECALL" their elected representative?

They still can. But it's intentionally made difficult.

bobby wrote:What did the nation do, to deserve to be afflicted by such an awful reptile...?

We booted the Tory shitheads out on their arses in 1997 so now they see it as pay back time.

It only makes us more determined to make sure that the next time we get a Tory gov't will be the TWELTH of NEVER.

Christopher Chope, Tory MP, Calls Waiters 'Servants' And Asks For Cheaper Meals For MPs

Tory MP Christopher Chope has sparked a minor class war by referring to catering staff in the House of Commons as "servants" and suggesting MPs should get cheaper meals.

Speaking in the Commons on Thursday morning, the Christchurch MP said he had eaten in Commons restaurants for three nights last week but "almost nobody else was present".

"The service was absolutely fantastic because there was three-to-one service - three servants for each person sitting down," he said.

Incredulous Labour MPs picked up on his description of waiters and waitresses by shouting "servants?" across the chamber.

Shadow leader of the Commons Angela Eagle said Chope had let the "cat out of the bag" with his comment.

And Chope's suggestion that MPs should get discount prices in parliament's restaurants is unlikely to go down well with a public still smarting from the expenses scandal in 2009.

"One way of engaging the members of the House today who don't use the dining rooms would be to offer them much cheaper rates," he said.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/01/17/christopher-chope-servants_n_2494820.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

And still they want MORE!!!!!!!!!!

Chope Issues Full Apology

(bournemouthecho.co.uk)

" Did I say 'servants'? So sorry - naturally, I meant 'slaves'..."

Hmm, why am I paying for my MPs food?

Cariaddraig wrote:Hmm, why am I paying for my MPs food?

Maybe we can get them to pay our rent/mortgage

Why should 650 mp's get a rise for doing the job easily done by 200?


David Craig: Ten reasons not to pay MPs an extra penny
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Published on the 12 July
2013
08:49

AS our economy stagnates and our national debt increases by about £120bn a year, our MPs are busy awarding themselves a generous, inflation-busting pay rise. Several well-known political journalists have come out in support of our MPs’ grab for our money, usually by repeating the old worn-out argument that if we want high quality people in Parliament we’re going to have to pay them properly.

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/debate/columnists/david-craig-ten-reasons-not-to-pay-mps-an-extra-penny-1-5848457

It reads sensible to me.

There is only one way to stop this pay rise for MPs of all parties and that is to pass a bill through the H.O.C. or get RID of IPSA, that way the general public will know the Tories can not sneak this through while using smoking mirrors on the public.

tlttf. Yesterday you told us this:-
 

Osborne is actually squeezing the rich harder than any Labour Chancellor ever did (that’s what you get when you cut the top rate of tax).

It's a shame that you've swallowed the lie that the Tories put around when they want to cut the income tax of their cronies and backers. A reduction doesn't bring in more money; those who are immoral enough to avoid tax at 50% will do so whatever the rate. The cut to 45% is actually costing the Treasury in the region £2.7-£3 billion.
 
Then today, via ‘The Yorkshire Post’, you quote from ‘Greed Unlimited: How Cameron and Clegg Protect the Elites While Squeezing The Rest of Us’. I suppose we can’t really expect someone who supports the Tories, UKIP and independent politicians to be consistent.
 
I doubt if anyone here agrees with Tory MP Andrew Bridgen when he said: “A vast majority of people do not think £65,000 a year salary is a lot of money". MPs most certainly should not get a rise in the present economic climate, and I think £50,000 would be more than enough to pay them. However, the article from ‘The Yorkshire Post’ is flawed. For a start, the percentage of our laws deriving from our EU obligations varies from year to year, but the House of Commons Library estimates it as being about 15%, which is nowhere near 75%.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jul/05/pro-eu-tories-euroscepticism
 
MPs have not “awarded themselves a pay rise”, that’s been the decision of the Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority, although I wouldn’t be surprised if Cameron had threatened the IPSA; we all know that he’s a bully who used to be nicknamed ‘Flashman’. MPs do have a generous pension scheme, but I understand that’s being cut under the new arrangements.
 
The article says that “if we look at the result of our MPs’ work, we’ll see their failure to govern effectively”. That confuses the work of MPs with the work of the government. Yes, 90 MPs are in the government, but that’s nothing new. In the early 1960s, there were 85 MPs in Harold Macmillan’s Tory cabinet (and he was related to 36 of them). Backbench MPs don’t just shout at the opposition in the Commons, they are there to scrutinise the work of the government on various committees and to deal with issues raised by their constituents. Inner-city MPs often do a similar job to social workers when their constituents bring them their problems. Cutting the number of MPs is a bad idea, especially as it would mean fewer backbenchers to hold the government to account. If you want to cut anything, cut the number of Lords; Cameron has cost us untold millions by swamping the House of Lords with his cronies.