Is it time that we took a closer look at UKIP?

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The UKIP vote in Eastleigh rose from 3.6% in 2010 to 27.8% in the by-election on Thursday. It may have been because the party is mopping up the mid-term protest votes which traditionally went to the Liberal Democrats before they climbed into bed with the devil in May 2010. It may be because many people – wrongly - feel that the three main parties in Westminster are “all the same”, a feeling which the Tories have helped to create by transferring so much real power from democratic accountability to unelected and unaccountable corporations as they privatise everything on which they can lay their grubby hands. What I don’t believe is that this bubble of support for UKIP is because of the party’s reactionary, right-wing policies, which aim to take us back to the 1950s.

The one policy which everyone associates with UKIP is withdrawal from the EU. UKIP has claimed that by leaving the EU, the UK would save over £45 million a day plus £60 billion a year, conveniently ignoring any EU rebates and regional grants. I’m not sure where it gets those figures from, since the Treasury says that the UK paid £8.9 billion into EU budget in 2010/11 (out of £706 billion of public spending). The European Commission puts the UK's net contribution at £5.85 billion.

The EU is the UK's main trading partner, accounting for 52% of our total trade in goods and services; if Britain went for a clean break from the EU, its exports would be subject to EU export tariffs. Millions of jobs could be lost as global manufacturers move to low-cost countries within the EU, and Britain's foreign-owned car industry might well shift into the EU. However, withdrawal from the EU was the issue which UKIP exploited and which put it on the political map. With his half-baked promise of a referendum at some point in the future, the idiotic Cameron has increased UKIP’s credibility by showing that he’s afraid of it.

Cameron also said that UKIP is “full of fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists", and perhaps on that last point he could now be right. The Eastleigh by-election showed that UKIP is appealing to racists, causing one person on Twitter to refer to it as “the BNP for the Notting Hill set”. UKIP may be more subtle than the BNP, but it wants to freeze immigration, pandering to the Alf Garnetts who see all foreigners as problems, and has even thrown in the contentious claim that “multiculturalism has split our society”.

In December 2011, the UK had 88,179 people in prison, more per head of the population than any other country in Europe, yet UKIP wants to double the number of prison places. UKIP says that the £2 billion cost of building new prisons is negligible compared to the cost of crime, but it hasn’t factored in the cost of keeping prisoners in jail, which amounts to at least £40,000 a year for each of them. Yet UKIP would refuse to accept European Arrest Warrants, which could well mean delays for the UK in extraditing suspects from other European countries.

The NHS would be no safer with UKIP than it’s been with the Tories, since the party believes that “other models are worth considering to see whether lessons can be learned from abroad”. On education, UKIP wants to bring back grammar schools, so that we can once again tell about 80% of eleven-year-olds that they’re failures, while at the same time giving parents education vouchers, which would be a way of subsidising private school fees.

The cornerstone of UKIP’s tax policies is to roll the employee national insurance and basic rate income tax into a flat rate of income tax of 31%. There would be no higher rate tax, since UKIP perpetuates the Tory lie that the 50% income tax rate cost the economy money; it hasn’t, it has brought in £2.7 billion a year. UKIP’s policy would be a massive tax cut for the rich, far bigger than the one that’s being introduced by the Tories in April. Even greater inequality would be created by abolishing national insurance for employers.

UKIP policies, like so many Tory ones, amount to an attack on our rights. UKIP would put an end to most legislation regarding matters such as weekly working hours, holidays, overtime, redundancy and sick pay, while leaving it up to each employer to decide whether to offer parental leave. It says it would also scrap most ‘equality and discrimination’ legislation.

If you need any more reasons not to vote for UKIP, it denies climate change and would make increased defence spending “a clear priority, even in these difficult times”. It opposes equal marriage, would hold a referendum in each county on ending the hunting ban and would allow smoking in allocated rooms in public houses, clubs and hotels. It’s no wonder that UKIP has been likened to “the political wing of a Home Counties golf club”.

You may not like the EU, and you may think that after 38 years it’s time to hold another referendum on our membership. However, before you vote for a party that makes that its flagship policy, look a little more closely at what else you would be voting for at the same time.

Sources used:-

http://www.ukip.org/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20448450

An Announcement of UKIP Policies is expected any minute...

 

Oh deary me.....can you call when the revolution is starting?

UKIP trades in the language of fear and division. The left must not humour its anti-politics crusade
 
Extracts from an article by Robert Webb:-
 
Exactly what is the correct way to despise UKIP? Is it just a bunch of bitter old men pining for a Britain that never existed? Or is it a dangerous force of reaction, poisoning the debate about immigration and the EU with parochial anti-politics and straightforward xenophobia? Jokers or jingoists? Fools or fascists?

There’s a picture on social media which shows up these false distinctions nicely: some godforsaken UKIP headquarters with a frayed union flag and an A4 printout saying: “If your not UKIP Your not BRITISH”. Oh, how we laughed – they can’t even spell! But the style is indivisible from the content. The first is a schoolboy error; the second is a schoolboy sharpening a stick at both ends. Missing out an apostrophe doesn't make you an idiot. But equating party allegiance with nationhood certainly makes you a thug. And thugs don’t often notice that they’re thugs, usually because they’re also idiots.

If you vote UKIP, you’ve been had. Ukippers are the kinds of fools who haven’t noticed they’re sleep-walking towards fascism, which begins as your friend. It says: “I feel your pain. You are not responsible; those responsible are the political establishment. The foreigners are doing your job because the decadent elite are all the same and only out for themselves. Only we understand. Only we can defend our country from the corrupt politicians and parasites among us.” Europe and immigration . . .
 
For the whole article:-
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/05/ukip-trades-language-fear-and-division-left-must-not-humour-its-anti-politics

I think we should see the results for what they are, a protest against all other parties.

Come the election next year it will be fought out between the big two as usual.

On a positive note, Griffin lost his seat.

Are we perhaps seeing the start of a period where there will be two opposing factions in British politics-  a loose Tory/ UKIP coalition facing a Labour / LibDem ( what's left of them) semi-formal coupling? 

There has to be some arrangement to stand against the vicious right-wing menace, unappealing though it should be for Labour to entertain the rancid, opportunistic and untrustworthy Liberals.

Little wonder that people like me can find no political home...   

Two horse race in 2015, and it looks like the Blue horse will beat the Red horse, with out the need for any coalition.

Europe looks like changing on its own long before British complaints might be heard. France, Spain and Greece have elected MEPs opposed to austerity, and the Central European Bank is setting very high standards for member countries' Banks in a series of stress tests.

Farage has said that Ukip manifesto will be published in September....I wonder what they will put before the Newark electorate, other than 'Out Of Europe' on the June 5th.?

Frankly - who cares?

Were I a Labour supporter in Newark I would be voting for Helmer to try and put the boot into Cameron. Then I would go home ashamed and wash my hands...

It's just possible that all our customary political assumptions are now History, and the Westminster scene is about to experience the type of transformation that saw Churchill's Tories evicted in 1945. Though a 72.8% voter turnout may well be firmly fixed in the past.

http://ukpolitical.info/1945.htm

What is happening in the UK is happening in Europe, the people of Europe don't want a Europe that the leaders want, they want there own identity back. The French are French the British are British, they don't want any Tom, Dick or Harry coming and settling in their country, and neither do we. Nor do we want people from other countries making our laws, we are quite capable of making our own. It's the arrogance of our leaders and leaders of other countries who will not listen to there own county folk that allows the fascist organisations to take over. If Labour and the Conserative plus the Lib/Dems, (even though they don't account for much nowadays) had listened to the people, Farage and UKIP wouldn't have became a threat. You can believe me, they have became a threat. Now, they are saying, both Labour and the Lib/Dems that they should have a referendum. We don't want it in 2017 either, let us have it before the next General Election, that will draw the teeth of Farage and is party. Because if they don't the unbelievable could happen in the next General Election, what has been happening in the council and European elections was no flash in the pan.

jackthelad wrote:-
If they vote to stay, then so be it, but I think they want out

Two most recent polls:-
Pew Research Centre poll: In 50%, Out 41%.
Ipsos MORI poll: In 54%, Out 37%
 
http://www.euronews.com/2014/05/19/rise-in-uk-support-for-membership-of-european-union-say-polls/
 

they don't want any Tom, Dick or Harry coming and settling in their country, and neither do we.

Can you name a time in our history when people haven’t settled here? Anyway, a lot of people move around the EU because of work, as they have the skills required by firms in other countries. That accounts for many of the 2.25 million Brits who live in other parts of the EU.
 

Nor do we want people from other countries making our laws, we are quite capable of making our own

Ignore UKIP’s lies, we make 85% of our own laws. And we have a say in the rest of the laws because we elect MEPs, appoint a commissioner and send members of our cabinet to councils of ministers.
 

You can believe me, they have became a threat.

 
Fascism is always a threat, but we should learn from history not to appease it. We need a Labour government committed to building a lot more homes and forcing employers to pay higher wages. That’s more important than pandering to Farage and his obsession with the EU.
 

Now, they are saying, both Labour and the Lib/Dems that they should have a referendum.

 
I believe one Labour MP, Graham Stringer, has said Labour should support a referendum. Just 7% of voters mention Europe when asked to list “important issues facing Britain today”, with only 2% identifying it as “the most important”.
 
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/07/chances-eu-referendum-next-parliament-are-wildly-overstated
 
If our membership of the EU is such a big issue, 64% of the electorate wouldn’t have stayed at home last Thursday.
 

We don't want it in 2017 either, let us have it before the next General Election

There wouldn’t be time to get the enabling legislation through Parliament.

Well the European election is about who rules us is it? While UKIP believe in returning powers back to the UK Government and our people? Well I am dead sorry for anyone who really does believe in this.. How might that work out in practice? So what would happen next? Well economic priority would be to ensure that zero tariffs were maintained on trade between the UK and the EU in all areas other than agriculture. Failure would be a serious matter. If Britain found itself on the wrong side of a tariff wall, not only would our substantial export trade with Europe suffer, but also foreign businesses would see little point in investing here. (that is if the rest of the members of the EU would agree to that)
 
its my best guess that European nations would see British withdrawal as a betrayal and would want to ensure that a sufficient example is made of the UK to deter others. There would also remain the risk that a large member state, say France, would block the UK from enjoying a preferential trading arrangement, in effect repeating General de Gaulle’s notorious “Non” to British entry of more than 50 years ago. (still lets say all of this does not matter above to working people) but are you going to now tell me that major international industries will be happy to stay within the UK while paying large tariffs to export to the EU then?
 
So having puffed out our chest, the next step would be to get real. That means that we would have to accept some EU regulations in return for free access to the single market or if we wished to trade within the EU still.. so how is this governing ourselves then? Or do we just shut off all trade with Euope as a whole?
 
Well the next point that we need to think about is the UK Tory party would wish to actively engage with business organisations across Europe to make the case for an open trade settlement. While dumping all the social chapter rules on working, hours, hygiene requirements for domestic restaurants, or regulations for women on boards. To name just a few things.. while also turning the clock back on all employment laws that stop firm's maximising core profits while weaking a firm's liability to its employers that we now enjoy under EU law.. ( still who cares about that? As maybe to Tories and big business will be nice to us all and keep these laws that protect UK workers now?)  
 
but now I hear you say.. we will cut down immigrants comimg into the UK? Really? Just like the US does today you mean? As they rule there own frontiers do they not? As they only have 11.7 million immigrants are living in the United States illegally. So by controling there own fronties they have manged to cut down immigrants then? I think not.. (Still we are not the US and we always do better than them at controling our own fronties yes?)  however, we do also know that US Business interests regularly call for increasing their access to immigrant workers by urging expansion of both guestworker programs and for automatically converting foreign students who graduate from US universities to immigrant status without regard to current limits. So what makes us feel we would fair better than them at controling our fronties then? O I know we have UKIP and they know how do do this then? Well maybe its high time they told us all how they plan to do this then? Manybe they can explain how their policy would work better than that of the US Governments policy then?

Stox 16. Excellent post, one of the most well-argued responses I've read to the crazy idea of leaving the EU.  

(P.S. It's good to see you here again.)

10 Reasons to Leave

Why we should leave: The top ten reasons we would be BETTER OFF OUT…


1. Freedom to make stronger trade deals with other nations.

2. Freedom to spend UK resources presently through EU membership in the UK to the advantage of our citizens.

3. Freedom to control our national borders.

4. Freedom to restore Britain’s special legal system.

5. Freedom to deregulate the EU’s costly mass of laws.

6. Freedom to make major savings for British consumers.

7. Freedom to improve the British economy and generate more jobs.

8. Freedom to negotiate better trade deals for Britain.

9. Freedom to save the NHS from EU threats to undermine it by harmonising healthcare across the EU, and to reduce welfare payments to non-UK EU citizens.

10. Freedom to restore British customs and traditions.

jackthelad wrote:10 Reasons to Leave

Why we should leave: The top ten reasons we would be BETTER OFF OUT…


1.     Freedom to make stronger trade deals with other nations.  

2.     Freedom to spend UK resources presently through EU membership in the UK to the advantage of our citizens.

3.     Freedom to control our national borders.

4.     Freedom to restore Britain’s special legal system.

5.     Freedom to deregulate the EU’s costly mass of laws.

6.     Freedom to make major savings for British consumers.

7.     Freedom to improve the British economy and generate more jobs.

8.     Freedom to negotiate better trade deals for Britain.

9.     Freedom to save the NHS from EU threats to undermine it by harmonising healthcare across the EU, and to reduce welfare payments to non-UK EU citizens.

10.   Freedom to restore British customs and traditions.

1. Freedom to make stronger trade deals with other nations. Answer, with who will you make the stronger deals with? are they ready to go now then?

2. Freedom to spend UK resources presently through EU membership in the UK to the advantage of our citizens. Answe, Most of the EU's money comes from member nation contributions, €103.2bn in 2011. It's not completely straightforward - especially if you use the UK as an example. €11.3bn is the UK's national contribution, which is largely based on the size of our economy. It also includes other adjustments and €2.5bn from VAT. The EU accounts for some 60% of all UK exports so leaving it would have significant impact. can UKIPreplace 60% of all UK Exports outside the EU within two years.. No

Bobby we wouldn't lose them we already have lost them with a Conservative government. Maggie Thatcher saw to that, and a Labour government did nothing to reverse what the Tories have done. We should be out off Europe even the French are beginning to see it that way too. What we want is a government that will reverse everything the Tories have done, we don't even own our water and Electric and gas companies now, all owned by foreign companies. They should all be taken back, plus the re-nationalisation of the Railways. Can't see that happening by this present Labour Party, we should go back the the old Labour values, the Labour Party I supported for a lot of years. We should be in charge of our own borders, we are a small island, that can't support this present mass immigration. We are a island not the European continent, our biggest mistake is the channel tunnel, now the immigrants do not have to cross water they sneak in through the tunnel. What we really want is some Labour MP's and a Labour leader with some back bone not the worms we have at the present. Trouble is, like any Labour supporters I would vote for a monkey so long as it was not a Tory monkey. I was miner, I hate Thatcher and the Tory party with all my heart, but I hate Europe even more because of what Europe has done to our country. The reason 62% of our people don,t vote is because they can't see the point of it, politicians say one thing to get elected then go and do something entirely different. They just can't be trusted, and a load of them are just a bunch of thieves, and all parties are tarnished with the same brush.

3 Freedom to control our national borders. answer, can UKIP control this better than the US government can? No

4 Freedom to restore Britain’s special legal system. Answer, we will end cases like this then.Appleby v. UK. This 2003 case involved balancing the right of freedom of speech against the rights of private property owners. So the Tories who run the law in the UK would now support cases like this then in English law...or UKIP? NO they would not.

5 Freedom to deregulate the EU’s costly mass of laws. answer, sure a let the Right wingers pass laws that take away all workers social right within UK employment law.. hell they have been praying to do this for the last 20 years and UKIP would hand it all over to big business.. gee that would be most lovely

6 Freedom to make major savings for British consumers. answer. UKIP will ensure that zero tariffs were maintained on trade between the UK and the EU in all areas other than agriculture. how how will they just do that then? please do explain this to me in turms of EU membership please or how we get it before we walk off?

7 Freedom to make major savings for British consumers. Answer how this will be done please? as as 60% of our trade is with the EU and can you show me UKIPS economic policy please? o i forgot they do not have one yet?

8. Freedom to negotiate better trade deals for Britain. answer, as an economist can you please explian with who this new super trade deals will be with? as we now have already the best trade deals we have ever had with economics from Brazil to China.. so who are these people we are overlooking then?

9. Freedom to save the NHS from EU threats to undermine it by harmonising healthcare across the EU, and to reduce welfare payments to non-UK EU citizens. answer, then you are willing to pay heath care in EU countries where we now have some, As in 2014, There are nearly 400000 UK citizens living in Spain and 128000 Spanish in France alone with out adding all the rest in. as it stand right now if you need heath care in say Holland they will do it.. as we look after there people over here. ( check in the post office and you can read all about free heath care in the EU for our people..

10. Freedom to restore British customs and traditions. answer, can you please tell what these are? as a Londoner born i have no real idea what customs and traditions i should follow? as in the 1960 i grow up with about 20 different customes and traditions from Jewish to indain to even Polish

Ivan wrote:Stox 16. Excellent post, one of the most well-argued responses I've read to the crazy idea of leaving the EU.  

(P.S. It's good to see you here again.)

Thanks Ivan its good to post again too..yep leaving 60% of our total trade or risking it at a time like this would be totally crazy.. but all of this comes from a party without a economic policy either.. how smart is that Ivan

bobby wrote:Good to see you back Stox, Best regards to yourself and Emma.

cheers Bobby and great to see you once again on here. yes i will pass that message on to Em Bobby

bobby wrote:Jack, For these 10 things, would you be prepared to lose all workers rights and allow them to be sacked on a whim, have the NHS totally privatised, lose other than extremely basic welfare for the poor, sick and elderly, Make massive increases to our already crippling military budget, lift all restrictions for industrial planning permission.
You seem to like the word Freedom Jack, and so do I, but with an extreme Right wing/Fascist party like UKIP we would very soon be walking the same path as 1920's Italy and 1930's Germany only instead of having a pop at the Jews we would be making a start on Romanians.
For all of your freedoms which would definitely be temporary and only last until power is gained, I would rather be governed in part by The EU.
I'm sorry Jack, but I really don't understand how you can support the extreme right wing UKIP and talk about Union and workers rights at the same time, you are jumping from left to right just as did Snr Mussolini and Herr Hitler did until the got the top job, then look at what happened.

well said Bobby but do remember this all come from a party with no economic policy at all? gee how smart is that Bobby? so we all leave the EU for what then? maybe we should just hand ourselves over to big business then like UKIP Support?

International Trade Survey, Britain's only longest-running survey of businesses which trade internationally 2014


UK exports reached £304bn last year 2013 – up from £300bn in 2012 – and as the economic recovery takes hold export levels should accelerate. However, the EU remains the UK's largest overseas market.

still with UKIPs economic plan in place sometime in 2015 i am sure we can wipe out our largest oversea market and replace it with trade with someone? not that they will say with whom.. but that does not matter.. as long as we control or frontiers we will all be fine.. as i am sure UKIP Will keep us all safe in our economy and have it all weorked out for us all..

International Trade Survey, Britain's only longest-running survey of businesses which trade internationally 2014


UK exports reached £304bn last year 2013 – up from £300bn in 2012 – and as the economic recovery takes hold export levels should accelerate. However, the EU remains the UK's largest overseas market.

still with UKIPs economic plan in place sometime in 2015 i am sure we can wipe out our largest oversea market and replace it with trade with someone? not that they will say with whom.. but that does not matter.. as long as we control or frontiers we will all be fine.. as i am sure UKIP Will keep us all safe in our economy and have it all weorked out for us all..

The European Union is one of the world’s major trading and political entities, and as such plays a major role in the lives of working people. EU legislation is central to UK labour laws, equality and health and safety. The TUC pursues the interests of working people through the European Trade Union Confederation.

from the TUC

The pressure is really on the dynamic Roger Helmer to win the Newark by-election for UKIP. Between now and 5th June he's thinking of working a 4-hour day.  
 
 

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BFJ2U6uCEAAut7a.jpg

That's one of the things about UKIP that really gets up my nose - they make no secret of the fact that they intend to take the healthy EU salary and perks, but to do no work at all - in my view that constitutes fraud.
 
Certainly, in my working days, if I took a salary and then didn't work, I would have expected the sack - the arrogance of these half-educated, racist, misogynistic homophobes beggars belief  - -- and yet, they have won the popular vote in areas that need active, informed and honest representation

Well i could not agree more with Boatlady.. as why stand for something and take the fat salary with all the Euro perks, then sit back and do nothing at all but eat and sleep while you should be working?
 
but you are spot on, as it does constitutes fraud in any other walk of life i know of boadlady. i just cannot abide any politician who talks about abolishing something like the UKs membership of the EU while getting paid to sit and do nothing at all for whole five years. MEPs are paid an annual salary of 91,980* euros. This figure was proposed by an independent panel, who suggested MEPs should be paid the equivalent of 38.5% of the salary of a European Court judge.
 
In order to perform their duties, MEPs can also make formal applications for an allowance of up to 50,424 euros* for office running costs. The Parliament also allows MEPs to apply for funds to meet their travel costs and accommodation when moving between UK, Brussels and Strasbourg. how many UKIP members of the European Parliament have turned down their salaries and allowance? none i would say..
 
Now UKIP supports seem to very happy for them to take this money while talking about abolishing the EU in the wrong building. as if they really wish to see the UK out of the EU then they need to stand for the house of commons. but then they would not get paid would they? but then they are all getting very fat on the Euros they take are they not?

Personally, this makes good sense to me - if the employers want to bring in workers from out of the country, maybe there should be a requirement to ensure housing and health care is part of the employment package.

As I understand the system in East Anglia, agencies recruit abroad on behalf of the chicken farms, vegetable growers etc, and often the agency will provide some sort of housing - at a cost - perhaps a room in a shared house. After the initial induction period, workers are not guaranteed any more work (this will depend on the need of the employers), or if the work causes work-related disability (lots of carpal tunnel syndrome caused when butchering poultry, spinal problems from agricultural labour etc) but will of course be expected to continue paying rent. Also, the level of rent will be set so that the individual, even if working, is going to have to apply for housing benefit in order to keep a roof over their heads.

It would make much more sense, and get rid of a lot of the resentment, if the employers (ie the agencies) could be seen to be providing basic housing at least without this costing the taxpayer. I don't know how the health care would be managed, unless the agency was required to pay stamp for all imported workers who are not able to work full time??

QUOTE: " agencies recruit abroad on behalf of the chicken farms, vegetable growers etc...."

Disregarding politics in order to deal with the Economics of this situation, the Ogre of the story is a Housewife. As long as we buy those things solely on price, Producers have to avoid unnecessary costs or go out of business.

You know - I just knew it was going to turn out to be my fault
  

boatlady wrote:Personally, this makes good sense to me - if the employers want to bring in workers from out of the country, maybe there should be a requirement to ensure housing and health care is part of the employment package.

As I understand the system in East Anglia, agencies recruit abroad on behalf of the chicken farms, vegetable growers etc, and often the agency will provide some sort of housing - at a cost - perhaps a room in a shared house. After the initial induction period, workers are not guaranteed any more work (this will depend on the need of the employers), or if the work causes work-related disability (lots of carpal tunnel syndrome caused when butchering poultry, spinal problems from agricultural labour etc) but will of course be expected to continue paying rent. Also, the level of rent will be set so that the individual, even if working, is going to have to apply for housing benefit in order to keep a roof over their heads.

It would make much more sense, and get rid of a lot of the resentment, if the employers (ie the agencies) could be seen to be providing basic housing at least without this costing the taxpayer. I don't know how the health care would be managed, unless the agency was required to pay stamp for all imported workers who are not able to work full time??

Hi Boatlady. well i believe this lays at much of the root of the problem myself. in Australia i believe you have to show you have a job and housing before you are let into the country. as it stands over here a Agency does just what you have said. but has very little responsibility for the welfare of its employees. this is often left to us the tax payer to house them or remove them at the end of there contracts. while the agency washes its hand of all responsibility for either there welfare of housing or health. its our weakness in our employment law that big business is exploiting more than anything.

i would also fully support agancies having to pay a health stamp for each overseas worker and having the responsibiliy to the housing during all of there stay within the UK. if they lose someone than the agancy would be fined and would have to pay for there removel from the UK.. The full cost too.. i would also like to see a Green card system put in place like they have in the US. So that before they set foot in the UK they have to pick this up from our overseas embassy. so that is they lost there passport they could be set back via there Green card.

Its my own view that untill we deal with this whole issue in realistic way we will end up with silly parties like UKIP. its not the frontiers and borders we should worry about but who is employing this workers and making money out of them. all of this could be put in place without to much trouble. however, it will not happen as big business and right wing parties are using this whole issue to lower UK wages as a whole.. that is the real problem as i see it.. do you not agree?

Welcome to Ukipland: A nightmare vision of Britain under Nigel Farage's leadership
 
Extracts from an article by Kevin Maguire:-
 
"Imagine the Prime Minister’s bulletproof Daimler pulling up outside No 10 and out steps Nigel Farage. The purple-faced PM’s a little unsteady on his feet after a boozy lunch in the City. Bankers wanted to thank their wide boy chum turned patron for his gift of a whacking tax cut for Britain’s millionaires. Farage was happy to be among friends in the City because it isn’t going well.

Patients are besieging hospitals after the wholesale privatisation of the NHS was an expensive disaster.
Imposing a charge to visit a GP proved costly when people didn’t and minor complaints developed into life-threatening illnesses. Then there are the low paid workers furious after UKIP let bosses scrap paid holidays. And new mums are in tears after maternity rights were abolished so they must be back at work the week after giving birth.

Quitting the European Union isn’t the picnic Farage mis-sold to voters. Unemployment’s soared since Nissan, Toyota and Honda announced they wouldn’t invest another penny in Britain. Holidaymakers are miffed too now they’ve lost cheaper mobile calls from the poolside in Spain. Probably just as well they’re not going to Magaluf this year. The queues for reintroduced passport checks are unbearable.

I’ve read the last UKIP election manifesto. Mass unemployment, few rights for those lucky enough to still have a job, a privatised NHS, legalised handguns, dearer holidays, Is this the Britain you want?

Welcome to Ukipland, a nastier country."
 
You can read more here:-
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/welcome-ukipland-nightmare-vision-britain-3610179#.

Ivan wrote:-
Welcome to Ukipland: A nightmare vision of Britain under Nigel Farage's leadership

Someone left out the inevitable reimposition of Exchange Controls. Holidaymakers would be restricted to no more than £100 spending money, and businessmen would require Treasury permission to buy imported goods with foreign money.

Can we not stop looking closer at them and just kick them in the nuts? (I may have had a small glass of wine)
  

Possibly the factor of continuing significance is the failure of Britain to maintain parity with the Deutschmark in 1992, as a result of which we were kicked out of the ERM. Since then, and taking into the calculation the emergence of the Euro, the British Pound has lost 75% of its historic value against Germany's currency unit.



That's why we feel so poor. We are.

For those who think we are all too serious on this forum (and who presumably haven’t read Pease Pottage Conservative Club News), here is an extract from an article by the comedian Mark Steel:-
 
If you can't beat Nigel Farage, become him
 
It seems to have been decided that the best response to Farage is to try to copy him. Cameron will hold his next press conference in a pub while on the fruit machine, and then Ed Balls will sit on the front bench during PMQs smoking a crack pipe, yelling: “Why should these politically correct killjoys tell a man when he can and can’t enjoy a bit of crystal meth?”

Farage has pointed out that it’s fine to be uneasy if a Romanian moves in next door, because some Romanians commit crime. Strangely he said this doesn’t apply to Germans, possibly because his wife’s German, or maybe because you can try as hard as you like, you’ll never find a single German in history who’s behaved in any way that could be considered unpleasant at all.

Farage would allow immigration if it was people with the “skills we need”. Until now, Eastern Europeans have been coming here with useless skills like dentistry and plumbing and picking fruit. So we should send them all home, and allow them in only if they’ve got a useful trade, such as disposing of tons of rotten strawberries that no one picked, chucking out millions of carpets ruined when radiators exploded, and looking after thousands of people who ended up in mental hospitals after screaming and being told “the nearest dentist is in Krakow, mate”. Clearly the reason we’re short of houses is because there are too many people over here whose only skill is building houses.
 
For the whole article:-
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/if-you-cant-beat-nigel-farage-become-him-9454058.html