Evidence for the existence of God (Part 2)

by ROB Thu Feb 21, 2013 4:00 pm

First topic message reminder :

Shirina wrote:
Humans are easily fooled.

Perhaps that’s why atheism is growing in spite of its illogicalness.

To prove that an omniscient being does not exist, one must be an omniscient being. Only God can prove God’s existence, and only God can prove God’s nonexistence; thus, if God’s nonexistence is ever proven, God will have proven God’s own nonexistence.

by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD Sat Nov 23, 2013 2:02 pm

polyglide wrote:

Man is so far removed from any other living thing that there must be a reason.

You made this claim before, and it's axiomatically false, humans share as much as 94% of their DNA with other primates, our nearest biological relatives. Not only are we not far removed, we're barely removed at all, and there is solid evidence from genetic science to show this.

by Tosh Sat Nov 23, 2013 3:28 pm

A chimp can learn sign language, a chimp can show empathy, sympathy and compassion, and a chimp has problem solving abilities.

We are not unique, early humans understood we were just another species of animal, and part of the animal kingdom, once we moved out of the animal world we began thinking we were more significant, in the grand scheme of things we are not.

by Shirina Sat Nov 23, 2013 5:32 pm

Heretic wrote:Not sure how two copies of that post ended up here.

Heretic

I just deleted the copy.

by Shirina Sat Nov 23, 2013 5:35 pm

polyglide wrote:common sense as well as the facts indicate that there must be a purpose.

Even if that were the case, why would anyone want our purpose to be as a slave race to an egomaniac god? I don't get it.

I would hope that humanity's purpose is something more grand than to be forever groveling at the feet of a deity, praising his name and reminding him eternally just how powerful and great he is.

Making our own individual purposes sounds much more appealing.

by Heretic Mon Nov 25, 2013 6:20 am

Shirina wrote:Making our own individual purposes sounds much more appealing.

Yes indeed. So isn't it sad that so many just walk in the footsteps of others.

Heretic

by Tosh Mon Nov 25, 2013 9:41 am

common sense as well as the facts indicate that there must be a purpose.

FACTS....COMMON SENSE.....MUST??????

Laughable....just laughable.

by polyglide Mon Nov 25, 2013 1:53 pm

There is no point in asking why when a proposition that can be verified is put forward.

The whole point in putting it forward is to indicate that it exists.

DNA as a means of relating different species and their possible close relationship to mankind is nonsense, just as saying that a bullet that misses by an inch is the same as one that kills someone, it might just as well have been a thousand miles away.

I will not try to insult the brain dead.

by Bellatori Mon Nov 25, 2013 2:57 pm

polyglide wrote:...DNA as a means of relating different species and their possible close relationship to mankind is nonsense

Other than the fact that you clearly need to believe this, do you have any explanation as to why the DNA for apes is generally similar but clearly different from that of, say, seaweed? Come to that do you actually have any evidence for your assertion?

by Shirina Mon Nov 25, 2013 6:48 pm

Bellatori wrote:Other than the fact that you clearly need to believe this, do you have any explanation as to why the DNA for apes is generally similar but clearly different from that of, say, seaweed?

This is the part where polyglide will try to tell you that God had to use similar materials to create all life on earth. Because, well, you know how limited those all-powerful beings are, so God wasn't capable of using anything he couldn't find on this planet.

Of course, polyglide most likely believes in the Adam and Eve story - yet Adam doesn't seem to share any "DNA" with dirt. Laughing

by Shirina Mon Nov 25, 2013 6:50 pm

polyglide wrote:There is no point in asking why when a proposition that can be verified is put forward.

No, no, you mustn't EVER ask "why" ... don't do it!

Because if you do, you might actually begin to understand how ridiculous your beliefs actually are!

Hey, no worries, though - most of us have been where you are at some point in our lives, but we pulled through it! sunny

by stuart torr Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:57 pm

As Shirina stated polyglide, "Most of us have been where you are at some point in our lives,but we pulled through it". What most of us are thinking though, is why are you finding it so hard?.

by Heretic Tue Nov 26, 2013 11:18 pm

stuart torr wrote:As Shirina stated polyglide, "Most of us have been where you are at some point in our lives,but we pulled through it". What most of us are thinking though, is why are you finding it so hard?.

The problem is that people make the journey in both directions and the relative numbers are not evidence that one direction or the other is more valid than the other. We have to look at the evidence and from that we make the decision that makes sense to ourselves. Each of us have different life experiences and different backgrounds and I would guess that most of us are not deliberately trying to fool ourselves.

All we can really ask of each other is that when we speak to each other that we do so in good faith and not only listen to each other but actually consider what is being said not only in it's own right but together with the rest of our knowledge and experience. When we do this this we gain, at least in part, some of the experience and knowledge of another and this is a real gift that is offered to us. I say it is a gift because we are not required to go through the experiences, the trial and error, long hours of study or whatever the price was for the person talking to us. All we need to do is listen and consider. It is true that frequently this will not change our opinion but this is because it is only natural for us to give our experiences more weight than the experiences of another.

To totally dismiss the views of another, even if they are on the other side of an argument without considering them is folly but it is a folly that is very easy to fall into when approximately the same material is being discussed from many different points of view sometimes with the same people over and over again. I find it very easy to skip over material without considering it properly and as a result when I go back over old posts, which I do every now and again, I find material that surprises me and sometimes stops me in my tracks.

I find it very easy to type off a reply sometimes and almost be on autopilot. I am probably wasting my time as well as the time of the people reading them. It is only when I consider a bit more deeply and add something that comes as much from the heart as the mind that I think that I have really contributed anything at all.

Peace.

Heretic

by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD Thu Nov 28, 2013 10:04 pm

polyglide wrote:DNA as a means of relating different species and their possible close relationship to mankind is nonsense

Priceless, and he ended the post by accusing another poster of being brain dead.

Evidence for the existence of God (Part 2) - Page 24 Irony-meter

by stuart torr Thu Nov 28, 2013 10:15 pm

Poor little me,brain dead Sheldon. How do I get cured, sob sob. Sad

by polyglide Fri Nov 29, 2013 11:31 am

Molecular genetics, do not prove that DNA by close comparison is anything to do with those that have a close DNA being decendants when the time scale that would be necessay is involved.

You might just as well say that the previous occupier of your house is to blame because you set it on fire.

by stuart torr Fri Nov 29, 2013 11:37 am

Polyglide you just talk rubbish.!!

by polyglide Fri Nov 29, 2013 12:13 pm

No, you do not understand logic.

by Dan Fante Fri Nov 29, 2013 12:16 pm

polyglide wrote:Molecular genetics, do not prove that DNA by close comparison is anything to do with those that have a close DNA being decendants when the time scale that would be necessay is involved.

What does that mean? If your reply is along the lines of: "You're too stupid to understand" I don't think I'll be alone in assuming you haven't got a clue either. Laughing

by polyglide Fri Nov 29, 2013 12:44 pm

To save time and educate yourself to facts rather than fiction just call up the 15 questions evolution cannot answer.

These will clearly show the nonsenese that evolutuion is.

Unless of course you can answer them.

by stuart torr Fri Nov 29, 2013 12:49 pm

Hi Dan, I had a question for you yesterday but could not remember it, now I cannot find the damn place what I was going to ask the question from. headbang

by Norm Deplume Fri Nov 29, 2013 12:51 pm

polyglide wrote:Molecular genetics, do not prove that DNA by close comparison is anything to do with those that have a close DNA being decendants when the time scale that would be necessay is involved.

This is not the clearest sentence I have ever seen. As far as I can tell, you are denying that DNA is inheritable - not a supposition that is likely to be published in a peer-reviewed journal any time soon.

by Dan Fante Fri Nov 29, 2013 2:13 pm

polyglide wrote:To save time and educate yourself to facts rather than fiction just call up the 15 questions evolution cannot answer.

These will clearly show the nonsenese that evolutuion is.

Unless of course you can answer them.

I asked you what you meant and you answer by changing the subject and you're preaching about honesty on another thread. Laughing

Also, apply that logic to religion again. You don't know how god created the universe etc. but you know he did, yet any questions evolution can't answer immediately invalidates it as a theory? More hypocrisy on your part.
Here's a different take on those 15 questions: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Question_Evolution

by stuart torr Fri Nov 29, 2013 2:48 pm

Well Dan, nobody should really argue against evolution should they?

by Dan Fante Fri Nov 29, 2013 2:58 pm

stuart torr wrote:Well Dan, nobody should really argue against evolution should they?

Questioning it is fair enough but claiming to refute it without offering an alternative is ridiculous.

by Shirina Fri Nov 29, 2013 4:23 pm

polyglide wrote:To save time and educate yourself to facts rather than fiction just call up the 15 questions evolution cannot answer.

Just when you thought that the God of the Gaps had finally been defeated, it resurrects itself like a zombie and lunges forward to feast on brains.

by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD Fri Nov 29, 2013 5:16 pm

polyglide wrote:Molecular genetics, do not prove that DNA by close comparison is anything to do with those that have a close DNA being decendants when the time scale that would be necessay is involved.

You might just as well say that the previous occupier of your house is to blame because you set it on fire.

Just when I thought you'd set the bar for sheer stupidity in a post as low as it was possible to go, you go and inch it a little lower.

Evidence for the existence of God (Part 2) - Page 24 Bullshit-meter-2

Evidence for the existence of God (Part 2) - Page 24 Bullshit-meter-2

by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD Fri Nov 29, 2013 5:17 pm

polyglide wrote:No, you do not understand logic.

Not yours anyway, it's utterly baffling.

by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD Fri Nov 29, 2013 5:20 pm

polyglide wrote:To save time and educate yourself to facts rather than fiction just call up the 15 questions evolution cannot answer.

These will clearly show the nonsenese that evolutuion is.

Unless of course you can answer them.

So scientific empiricism and it's methods have been duped for 200 years? I'm frankly surprised you're prepared to trust that computer you're using and the internet, and the electricity to power it all, what with scientific knowledge being so unreliable. You really are utterly brainwashed by an ancient superstition, it'd be hilarious if it weren't so very tragic.

by Tosh Fri Nov 29, 2013 6:14 pm

polyglide, can you send me a hair sample for my doll?

I think we can safely assume polyglide is part of the 16% with the IQ of a lettuce, eugenics is the only answer, cut off the head of the ass.

by Heretic Fri Nov 29, 2013 10:37 pm

Tosh wrote:polyglide, can you send me a hair sample for my doll?

I think we can safely assume polyglide is part of the 16% with the IQ of a lettuce, eugenics is the only answer, cut off the head of the ass.

I think I can get you a discount on large order of pins.

:->>

Heretic

by polyglide Mon Dec 02, 2013 10:55 am

I know that if you have only one piece missing from a jigsaw it is useless.

I know what a person suffering paranoia replies to a straight forward question.

Dr Sheldon fits the bill.

Along of course with several other deluded dudes.

I asked you to explain the fifteen questions regarding evolution that make it not only disputable but impossible and all you can reply is in a manner befitting a brainless two year old.

by Dan Fante Mon Dec 02, 2013 11:07 am

polyglide wrote:I know that if you have only one piece missing from a jigsaw it is useless.

I know what a person suffering paranoia replies to a straight forward question.

Dr Sheldon fits the bill.

Along of course with several other deluded dudes.

I asked you to explain the fifteen questions regarding evolution that make it not only disputable but impossible and all you can reply is in a manner befitting a brainless two year old.

Did you have a read of that response on RationalWiki to the 15 questions you're on about?

by Tosh Mon Dec 02, 2013 12:36 pm

I know that if you have only one piece missing from a jigsaw it is useless.

God is missing.

by Shirina Mon Dec 02, 2013 1:31 pm

polyglide wrote:I asked you to explain the fifteen questions regarding evolution that make it not only disputable but impossible and all you can reply is in a manner befitting a brainless two year old.

The answers to those questions are all over the internet. It took me all of two mouse clicks to find the answers to those 15 "unanswerable" questions.

Which means, of course, that even if someone on this forum took the time to actually answer those questions - even in his/her own words - you wouldn't accept those answers. I know this because you obviously haven't accepted the answers that currently exist, so why would anyone expect you to tuck your tail between your legs and slink off should one of us laymen tediously answer them on this forum?

by Dan Fante Mon Dec 02, 2013 1:35 pm

Shirina wrote:
polyglide wrote:I asked you to explain the fifteen questions regarding evolution that make it not only disputable but impossible and all you can reply is in a manner befitting a brainless two year old.
The answers to those questions are all over the internet. It took me all of two mouse clicks to find the answers to those 15 "unanswerable" questions.

Which means, of course, that even if someone on this forum took the time to actually answer those questions - even in his/her own words - you wouldn't accept those answers. I know this because you obviously haven't accepted the answers that currently exist, so why would anyone expect you to tuck your tail between your legs and slink off should one of us laymen tediously answer them on this forum?

I like how the first one doesn't actually have anything to do with evolution. Good start there Laughing

I've got another question evolution can't answer: Who will win this season's FA Cup final?

by Shirina Mon Dec 02, 2013 1:44 pm

polyglide wrote:Who will win this season's FA Cup final?

Whichever team prays the hardest. And whichever team has the most people praying for them.

Because the players don't actually play. No, of course not. The players are just little manifestations of God's will, and it is God who actually plays, scores, kicks the ball around, and even referees the game. Humans have nothing to do with it, which is why we thank God for victories instead of the hard work and intense training and unerring dedication to the game.

by Shirina Mon Dec 02, 2013 1:47 pm

Some silly creationist wrote:1. How did life with specifications for hundreds of proteins originate just by chemistry without intelligent design?

LOL! No kidding. I have no idea why creationists can't seem to get it through their heads that evolution does not attempt to answer the origin of life. Yet creationists keep bringing this up like deaf mutes who have no idea that anyone is talking to them.

by Norm Deplume Mon Dec 02, 2013 2:27 pm

Dan Fante wrote:I've got another question evolution can't answer: Who will win this season's FA Cup final?

That one at least is easy - it will be the team that scores more goals.

I will remind you of this when the game has been played and you can marvel at my powers of prophecy.

by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD Mon Dec 02, 2013 9:54 pm

polyglide wrote:I know that if you have only one piece missing from a jigsaw it is useless.

I know what a person suffering paranoia replies to a straight forward question.

Dr Sheldon fits the bill.

Along of course with several other deluded dudes.

I asked you to explain the fifteen questions regarding evolution that make it not only disputable but impossible and all you can reply is in a manner befitting a brainless two year old.

So your ignorance of evolution makes other people stupid, that's the kind of logic I've come to expect from you Polly.

Evidence for the existence of God (Part 2) - Page 24 Bullshit-meter-2

by polyglide Wed Dec 04, 2013 11:26 am

It is very evident that when one resorts to childish replies they are lost and not beyond the cradle.

If you believe in science then you have to consider all that all scientists conclude and not knit pick.

It is a fact of life that anyone can now obtain information on any aspect of life by the click of a button, what the button connot do is give the person who obtains the information, the ability to consider and evaluate that material to a given and intelligent end, as so many answers to my posts prove.

I do not quote other people by name but it is obvious everyone uses the findings and opinions of others, there is very little that has not been dealt with in depth, however, there is more to be learnt, far more, than we actually know and time will tell that man is his own worst enemy.

by Tosh Wed Dec 04, 2013 12:25 pm

If you believe in science then you have to consider all that all scientists conclude and not knit pick.

Try following your own advice, 99.9% of all relevant scientist accept common ancestry, there is not a science academy on our planet that does not consider common ancestry an evidence based FACT.

It is like shooting blindfolded ducks in a bath with a 12 gauge shotgun from 3 feet, this person is barking.

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