Is Rhea Page being discussed here?

Hi and thanks for the new forum - It's my first post here. I've noticed that some boards aren't allowing this story to be discussed. Not sure quite why,the story also hasn't been widely reported in the media - again I can only assume this for a reason ?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2070562/Muslim-girl-gang-kicked-Rhea-Page-head-yelling-kill-white-slag-FREED.html

Are you conerned to discuss the event, or merely the Judgment?

oftenwrong wrote:Are you conerned to discuss the event, or merely the Judgment?

Well I've seen the video,and it ain't pretty. I obviously don't know the whole case and the headline maybe misleading.The mitigating circumstances of "not being used to alcohol" as they are good Muslim girls does seem extraordinary. The judge did say that if an individual kicks someone in the head on the floor they should expect to go to prison. However in this case he decided to suspend the sentence,I'm not sure why ? From the judge -

"But he said he accepted the women may have felt they were the victims of unreasonable force from Mr Moore as he tried to defend his girlfriend, and handed the defendants a suspended sentence".

Can someone please watch this video and tell me this guy used unreasonable force ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=z6IU9UeLlJQ

Distance lends enchantment.

I don’t care why the girls kicked the woman in the head; I care that the girls kicked the woman in the head.

Motive makes a huge difference in what the charge is and what the ultimate sentence is. That is true for most other criminal offenses. If we should forget the "why" and only concern ourselves with the fact that a crime was committed, then there should be no difference between 1st and 3rd degree murders. Negligent homicide and most forms of manslaughter should also be rolled into a single catch-all murder charge.

Racially motivated crimes are weighted, and why not? We weigh other motives against each other.

Drunkenness is surprisingly often accepted as an excuse for bad behaviour.

Thanks for you comments and observations. I've been thinking about this case for the last few days,so for what it's worth,here's my two penneth.

Rhea Page suggests that the attack was unprovoked. I'd suggest that something triggered the event. Perhaps the girls made an observation of the couple and she replied in unpleasant manner. Could have been anything - however something triggered the situation and my feeling is, that the judge took this into consideration. A bit more honesty from the victims perhaps....

The right wing press were all over this story,for obvious reasons. However,I've also noticed a reluctance for this and similar stories to be openly debated. I raised this issue in an evening class recently and immediately felt I was being classified as a judgemental bigot. I'm not in favour of these girls going to prison btw,if we can keep people out of prison and help them develop into a self actualised person,we should. What concerns me is that many people do get put down,for much less. Kicking someone in the head is a serious offence. When I grew up in 70's even skinheads rarely did this,they gave you beating but that was it. A boundary or unwritten rule existed,no longer it seems.

A comment from the Muslim Council of Britain :

It is unusual for the Federation of Muslim Organisations (FMO) to comment on individual judgements made by our courts system. However, if the story carried by sections of the media is fully and accurately reported, the FMO is deeply concerned about the way in which the perpetrators have linked their actions to a lax moment in their understanding of their faith. The FMO deplores in the strongest terms, the case of four Somali girls attacking support worker Rhea Page in which they were found guilty and handed suspended sentences.

Federation PR Officer Suleman Nagdi, said, “We condemn violence of any kind, especially mindless acts such as this, when a gang set upon a defenceless victim who herself works to support some of the most vulnerable and disadvantaged people in society. Alcohol is strictly prohibited in Islam and so the alcohol fuelled behaviour of these girls is a total contradiction to the teachings of Islam. The behaviour exhibited by the guilty parties has no relation to the behaviour of the general Muslim or Somali community who have worked hard and continue to do so to integrate into British society to make an invaluable contribution to the success of our nation. Drunken, yobbish and violent behaviour has no place in our society and our thoughts go out to Rhea Page who we hope makes a quick recovery so that she can continue the excellent work she is doing for the good of humanity. I echo her sentiments about the final judgement passed on the case. I would also like to acknowledge the role of the police in this case".

It may be true that violence has become more extreme. Certainly youngsters are now able to see extraordinary violence on the cinema screen, or portrayed in digital "games" splattered with blood and body-parts.

The surprise would be if this exposure DIDN'T give them ideas.