Why is Ed Balls unliked and untrusted?

Ed Balls, The shadow chancellor is having diffiiculty being liked and trusted by much of the population, so much so that he has recently had a survey undertaken to find out why this is. Unfortunately Ed has probably not learnt his lessons from the Expenses scandal and the tax payer will fund his little poll under the guise of 'Research'.
Embarrassingly, Labour Party sources say the polling results show that Mr Balls is still seen as a turn-off by many, both politically and personally and similar polls have found that people think he is a bully, untrustworthy, unprincipled and opportunistic.
With all the cock ups from the Coalition, the Labour party should be streets ahead of the coalition on the economy, but the Tories still lead the way, if only by a small margin when pollsters are asked 'Who do you trust on the economy?'
So what do you think? I imagine the left leaning will defend him at all costs, but the majority do not agree with you.

Ed Balls unliked and untrusted?

unliked and untrusted by whom? If it's members of the Coalition, that goes with the territory of being a member of Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition.

As for anyone else, what does it matter? Too often, the Press make elections into some kind of Beauty Parade, because that makes it easier for them to belittle the participants.

Some comments Ed Balls may want to mull over......

Excuse me! Whose money did he use to pay for the poll? It was OUR money, you remember? The thousands of pound he & his despicable wife, Yvette Cooper, received by both claiming second home allowances & expenses on the same properties & nominating their London property as their second home - to claim higher allowances, when it was & continues to be obvious THEY LIVE IN LONDON!! No wonder everybody hates him - I could've told him that for nothing!

He came out badly in the MP's expenses scandal and comes across like a second hand car dealer. Only out for what he can get. Why does the Labour Party keep selecting the wrong people? It's as if they don't want to win an election! They should have gone for David Miliband and Alistair Darling. What a duo they would have made.

Duplicitous, bullying, petty, incompetent, champagne-socialist and inverted-snob would be the printable description of this thoroughly unpleasant man

He's a circus clown at PM's Question Time & a "proven idiot" as far as the economy is concerned. I don't imagine the fool could organise a kiss in a brothel

Seeing him making snide and childish remarks at prime ministers question time and during other ministerial statements shows his immaturity to hold such an important post. He was also a big player to Gordon Brown when Brown went on a spending spree which is partly to blame for the economic crisis in this country. Balls! Would not trust him with my Granddauhters piggy bank.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2156965/Ed-Balls-MoS-survey-reveals-hes-untrustworthy-opportunist.html#ixzz1xb2Jeasq

Oh, the Daily Wail!

'nuff said!

blueturando. Firstly, this rubbish thread, and especially its title, is close to transgressing one of our rules:-
4. Don't post spam or any deliberately misleading material. Messages which are clearly intended to deceive and mislead members are likely to be deleted.
https://cuttingedge2.forumotion.co.uk/t18-posting-rules

If you think that five anecdotal comments from halfwits who read ‘The Daily Mail’ amount to anything resembling reasoned argument, then you’re seriously deluded. No doubt every Labour politician is “unliked and untrusted” by all the Alf Garnetts who waste money on that crap paper, so this is hardly a story, is it? And of course no Tory politicians claimed any expenses for housing, did they? Not Gove, not Osborne, not Maude – not even Cameron, I suppose? But have you and your ‘Daily Mail’ readers mentioned that? Of course not.

Take a look at the mission statement at the top of this forum. If you want to post trash like this, take it to ‘Conservative Home’, where they will love it as they wallow in their sick prejudices and rejoice as the poor are trodden into the ground. I notice you don’t use anecdotes like those I see on Twitter; only yesterday it was reported that another person who’d been told they were fit for work has just died. Welcome to Tory Britain.

I’ve been trying to raise the standard of debate on this forum, and yesterday I was thrilled when Dr Katy Layton-Jones started blogging here. What we don’t need is you dragging this site into the gutter with tabloid filth, thank you. If you think I work my backside off for this forum to have you abusing it, think again mister.

blue Quote- "Ed Balls, The shadow chancellor is having diffiiculty being liked and trusted by much of the population." How "much" blue? OVER EXAGGERATION?
"Embarrassingly, Labour Party sources say the polling results show that Mr Balls is still seen as a turn-off by many" How "many" blue? OVER EXAGGERATION AGAIN? " similar polls have found that people think he is a bully, untrustworthy, unprincipled and opportunistic. Which "similar polls blue, how many? OVER EXAGGERATED YET AGAIN?
" Tories still lead the way, if only by a small margin when pollsters are asked 'Who do you trust on the economy?" Which poll blue, Daily Mail?

They "lead" on nothing blue as you continue to be hopeful rather than confident. The battle is lost, so why clutch at straws.

This thread could easily be headed --Why are Cameron and Osborne unliked and untrusted? Any Polls conducted other than your Tory Daily Mail would give us the answer the whole country knows to be true.

Balls is clever enough to rile Dave the Rave at his dispatch box, so much so that the pig Dave had to resort to rudeness, which showed all those watching what an ass he really is.

I'm sorry, but anything written in that sad excuse for a newspaper is usually total bollocks. It's the most hateful, spite-ridden and nasty paper in circulation. I actually pity the hateful and spiteful people who read it. But then again, it says exactly what those sad, miserable people need to hear!

I'd wouldn't wipe my bum on it, I'd take my chances with stinging nettles ta!

I'm quite partial to a bit of Balls...he doesn't half get up Cameron's nose! Keep up the good work Ed! lol

Ivan, perhaps you should take time out and look at the titles of some of the lab luvin threads before faulting this?

Apparently Ed was going to take his wife's name because of the embarrassment caused by his but he was told "Not like that".

If he has no other merits at all, Mr Balls does warrant due consideration for the fact that he seriously annoys Cameron, Osborne and the rest of the Government which, unlike Balls, was so popular it couldn't get a majority...!

Such drollery. Where will it end? Will Mandelson be rehabilitated?

blueturando. Firstly, this rubbish thread, and especially its title, is close to transgressing one of our rules:-

Ivan....sometimes you have a nerve my friend. You and others can start any Sh*t thread you like as long as its slagging off the Tories, but when you shoe is on the other foot you chuck a hissy fit. Might I suggest you have transgressed the rules on many occasions and I think I will post a list of threads I want deleted to the moderator. How does that sit within YOUR rules????

IE....Is Cameron a Moron from another universe....or whatever?

Take a look at the mission statement at the top of this forum. If you want to post trash like this, take it to ‘Conservative Home’, where they will love it as they wallow in their sick prejudices and rejoice as the poor are trodden into the ground. I notice you don’t use anecdotes like those I see on Twitter; only yesterday it was reported that another person who’d been told they were fit for work has just died. Welcome to Tory Britain

Either the forum is open to posters with alternative political views to your own, or you should ban all others except Leftie posters....make up your mind now, so I can decide to stay or F*ck off.

We call all recall anecdotes regarding our foes, but seem to forget the ones involving your own party like Gordon Brown sending a letter to a grieving mother where he could even get the name of her son right....Welcome to Labour Britain

" Tories still lead the way, if only by a small margin when pollsters are asked 'Who do you trust on the economy?" Which poll blue, Daily Mail?

They "lead" on nothing blue as you continue to be hopeful rather than confident. The battle is lost, so why clutch at straws.

No Brucie bonus for you Mel....Wrong again

ComRes asked people if they trusted David Cameron and George Osborne to make the right decisions about the economy, and if they trusted Ed Miliband and Ed Balls to make the right decisions about the economy. The results suggest the budget has been a political disaster.

Here are the figures.

Tories

Trust: 25% (down 4 since mid-March)
Don't trust: 60% (up 11)

Rating: -35 (down 15)

Labour:

Trust: 21% (up 6)
Don't trust: 60% (up 1)

Rating: -39 (up 5)

And here's the key figure. In mid-March the gap between the two parties was 25 points. Now it's just four points.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/blog/2012/apr/02/labour-local-election-politics-live

blueturando wrote:

" Tories still lead the way, if only by a small margin when pollsters are asked 'Who do you trust on the economy?" Which poll blue, Daily Mail?

They "lead" on nothing blue as you continue to be hopeful rather than confident. The battle is lost, so why clutch at straws.

No Brucie bonus for you Mel....Wrong again

ComRes asked people if they trusted David Cameron and George Osborne to make the right decisions about the economy, and if they trusted Ed Miliband and Ed Balls to make the right decisions about the economy. The results suggest the budget has been a political disaster.

Here are the figures.

Tories

Trust: 25% (down 4 since mid-March)
Don't trust: 60% (up 11)

Rating: -35 (down 15)

Labour:

Trust: 21% (up 6)
Don't trust: 60% (up 1)

Rating: -39 (up 5)

And here's the key figure. In mid-March the gap between the two parties was 25 points. Now it's just four points.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/blog/2012/apr/02/labour-local-election-politics-live

And yet most polls put Labour in the Lead. (That's if you happen to believe polls when there is no election) not that I have ever followed polls even when it shows my party in the lead Blue. Not that bothered about your title either for that matter. but the Daily fail is a wee bit much. still there is no accounting for taste Blue.

but I am very pleased to should bring up Ed Balls. As he is part of the reason we are doing so very well in the polls overall. as the sad fact for the Tory party is that while they try in vain to mock Ed Balls they have a great history so far of following what he says after first of all re-writing some of it. as it was Ed Bells that pointed out that your policy of austerity without a growth policy would never work in 2010. Now your trying two years later to have a growth policy? odd that? Its was Ed Balls that pointed out that you're party could never cut the national debt while chocking off growth. Gideon laughed at that.... Now Gideon is said growth is his number one job?.... just took him two whole years to understand it. Ed Balls said a cut in VAT was help with Growth..... Gideon laughed at that too.... Then the IMF reported that if Growth does not start a cut in VAT may be needed. in fact Blue I could list 30 things that Gideon and Cameron have said is all wrong with what Ed Balls has said. only to now find them repeating his very words. but not his policy as yet. but give it time and your party will be.

But there is something very positive in the very fact that you are now posting about him. However, the sad fact is Coalition Economic Paralysis by there own economic anorexic Gideon has failed as Ed Balls rightly pointed out. As Gideon's own economic data clearly shows that Gideon is in economic fantasy land with Borrowing overshooting by £157 Billion with no Fiscal Growth policy and record unemployment, Just as Ed Balls said it would back in 2010?. What we have here is little more than Coalition profligacy with no sort of economic policy that will never work in the next 30 years at the rate. Just as Ed Balls pointed out in 2011. As there only real growth has come in borrowing and unemployment with nothing else of note. Not any Tory on here has come up with any facts or figures to show there Plan A would come good nor is the new Tory Plan A plus as this too is also failing. All this huff and puff about Ed Balls will not save this Government. as today Manufacturing has gone back into recession just as Ed Balls pointed out it would in 2011? What was it that Gideon said now in his Budget in 2012? O that is tight... Manufacturers would double exports to £1tn by the end of the decade. maybe Blue we have to go backwoods to go forwards in the Tory party economic book? but Who go it right?...... Yep Ed Balls.... odd that he keeps getting it right Blue.


But what was Gideon' s budget figures now?

O that's right borrowing is out of all control with a further £91 billion added to there ever growing national debt of borrowing without GDP growth. With VAT rise of 20% by in January 2011 all adding to daily hardship of working families. We sew total UK receipts of £592 billion with out going expendititure at £683 billion for 2012/13. With growth at the rheumatic state of 0.8% forecast up from 0.7% pencilled in last November, in what can only be seen as a quite dismal performance by the banal government. Who was it who said Ed balls plan would lead to more borrowing? but who is really borrowing? yep.... Gideon?

What did the Chancellor say in August last year about America's more balanced deficit plan:
"Those who spent the whole of the past year telling us to follow the American example need to answer this simple question: why has the US economy grown more slowly than the UK economy?"
Well here is the answer The US economy grew at 1.7% last year, twice the rate of ours.

Who said the US economy would grow? yes Blue....Ed Balls.... who said it would not? yep Gideon?


After clawring over the Treassury’s red book it soon becomes very clear that every penny Gideon gives away he clawers it back from someone else. All in all this was a very modest giveaway of just £1.9 billion this year that should Gideon hopes all will be smoothed away by 2016. So after all of this, we can see its peanuts when set against the governments £1 trillion debt pile that this government is adding too fast as it can. We also was told that Manufacturers would double exports to £1tn by the end of the decade. Well this would need to see a doubling of annual exports to 1tn by 2020. And to do that would require a sustainable growth strategy. Something this government has so far failed to bring about at any time in the life of this government so far. What is QE standing at right now? O that is right £350 billion with the Bank of England talking about about another maybe £50 billion in July 2012? What did Gideon say about this to Ed Balls? Blue
would you care to say or should I?


Now what was you Saying about Ed Balls BLUE??

Mel wrote:blue Quote- "Ed Balls, The shadow chancellor is having diffiiculty being liked and trusted by much of the population." How "much" blue? OVER EXAGGERATION?
"Embarrassingly, Labour Party sources say the polling results show that Mr Balls is still seen as a turn-off by many" How "many" blue? OVER EXAGGERATION AGAIN? " similar polls have found that people think he is a bully, untrustworthy, unprincipled and opportunistic. Which "similar polls blue, how many? OVER EXAGGERATED YET AGAIN?
" Tories still lead the way, if only by a small margin when pollsters are asked 'Who do you trust on the economy?" Which poll blue, Daily Mail?

They "lead" on nothing blue as you continue to be hopeful rather than confident. The battle is lost, so why clutch at straws.

This thread could easily be headed --Why are Cameron and Osborne unliked and untrusted? Any Polls conducted other than your Tory Daily Mail would give us the answer the whole country knows to be true.

Balls is clever enough to rile Dave the Rave at his dispatch box, so much so that the pig Dave had to resort to rudeness, which showed all those watching what an ass he really is.

Hello Mel
Good post first off. but does a topic such as this remind you of an act of utter Desperation to you? as it does to me.


The Office for National Statistics said the UK's trade deficit widened £0.7bn to £8.6bn as exports to non-EU countries fell and imports from non-EU countries rose to a record high. Who did this? Gideon did?

The gap compared with economists' forecasts for £8.3bn and with an upwardly revised £7.9bn in October.

Economists said that net trade did probably make a positive contribution to the UK economy in the final quarter of 2011 but would probably not be enough to avoid overall growth being virtually flat or even negative thanks in part to a slump in consumer spending. Who did this? Gideon did

He said this in the House of Commons

Ed Balls (Morley and Outwood) (Lab/Co-op): I beg to move an amendment, at the end of the Question to add:

‘but regrets that whilst the UK economy is in recession, long-term unemployment is at its highest level since 1996 and one million young people are out of work the Gracious Speech contains no measures to address this crisis; notes that Britain will pay a long-term price for a prolonged period of slow growth and high unemployment; further notes that France, Germany and the Eurozone as a whole are not in recession while in the USA, where the Government has to date taken a more balanced approach to support economic recovery, the economy is now one per cent bigger than before the global financial crisis, while the UK economy is now 4.3 per cent smaller; recognises the criticism expressed by business leaders that your Government has not come forward with an adequate plan to boost economic growth; believes that cutting spending and raising taxes too far and too fast is self-defeating as slow growth and higher unemployment means that your Government is now set to borrow £150 billion more than planned; and calls on your Government to introduce a fair and balanced deficit plan, with measures to stimulate economic growth and job creation which are essential to get the deficit down, including a tax on bank bonuses to fund a guaranteed job for every young person out of work for more than a year, a temporary cut in VAT, a national insurance holiday for small firms taking on extra workers, and bringing forward infrastructure investment to strengthen the economy for the long-term.’.

Adele Carlyon wrote:I'm sorry, but anything written in that sad excuse for a newspaper is usually total bollocks. It's the most hateful, spite-ridden and nasty paper in circulation. I actually pity the hateful and spiteful people who read it. But then again, it says exactly what those sad, miserable people need to hear!

I'd wouldn't wipe my bum on it, I'd take my chances with stinging nettles ta!

I'm quite partial to a bit of Balls...he doesn't half get up Cameron's nose! Keep up the good work Ed! lol

Hello Adele
many Blue should start to worry more about Gideon as he is supposed to be running the UK economy


The worst falls across the manufacturing industry were in pharmaceutical and food, down 3% and 5.7% respectively. Not even the positive growth in aerospace and electronics, up 8.8% and 6.2%, could bolster the overall figure.

The poor performance of the manufacturing sector has prompted the British Chambers of Commerce to call for another round of quantitative easing from the Bank of England (when extra money is injected into the economy to try and stimulate growth). The Bank’s governor, Mervyn King, has resisted this for some time now, worrying that the more QE could stoke up inflation, which would have knock-on negative impact on consumer spending.

Ed Balls stated

Not only has our economy now shrunk in the last six months by 0.6 per cent, it has actually shrunk by 0.4 per cent in the year and a half since the spending review. And it is families and businesses that are paying the price with incomes being squeezed, companies going bust and long-term unemployment at a 16 year high.

“It’s now clear that this is a recession made in Downing Street by this Government’s failed policies. Despite all the problems in the euro area, France, Germany and the eurozone as a whole have so far avoided recession and only exports to other countries stopped us going into recession a year ago. The result is that Britain is now in a weaker position if things get worse in the eurozone in the coming months.

blue. I notice with no surprise at all you preferred NOT to answer three out of four of my questions upon your exaggerated comments.
Sounds of desperation blue, although you did kindly attempt to answer one of my questions that suited your feeble claims about Balls.

blue,

I do think you have forwarded a rather specious question here. I'm sure some people don't like Ed Balls while others do like him - the same could be said for most people. You could easily frame the same question around Gideon Osborne.

If you'd titled the thread more along the lines of: Could Ed Balls be trusted as Chancellor......then it could have been a more interesting debate and his policies / economic remedies, could have been compared / contrasted against Gideon's, thus a more fruitful debate might then ensue - whereby policies, and not individual character traits, take precedence in discussion. Politics should not be turned into some sort of reality game show where celebrity becomes more important than content.

I do kind of agree with you about the thread that is titled Is Cameron a moron from outer space.........I think a more sensible/adult title might be Is Cameron fit to be PM. I think that's also a more pertinent question given his judgement, and record, to date.

We have waited a surprisingly long time for the inevitable cracks to appear in the Coalition construct.

Today, the Lib-Dem element will abstain from the labour-inspired vote on whether Mr Hunt breached the Ministerial Code of Conduct in his dealings with BSkyB.

Any debate on e.g. "affordable housing", or perhaps a referendum on the EU, might stretch the concord beyond breaking-point.

oftenwrong wrote:We have waited a surprisingly long time for the inevitable cracks to appear in the Coalition construct.

Today, the Lib-Dem element will abstain from the labour-inspired vote on whether Mr Hunt breached the Ministerial Code of Conduct in his dealings with BSkyB.

Any debate on e.g. "affordable housing", or perhaps a referendum on the EU, might stretch the concord beyond breaking-point.

And in retaliation Senior Conservatives have threatened to block LibDems favoutire subject - Lords Reform.

Cameron to Clegg - oops - Caesar to Brutus 'Et tu Brute?'

Mel wrote:blue. I notice with no surprise at all you preferred NOT to answer three out of four of my questions upon your exaggerated comments.
Sounds of desperation blue, although you did kindly attempt to answer one of my questions that suited your feeble claims about Balls.

Hello Mel
your questions are all very fair to ask too in my book. but it must strike you as very odd that Blue has chosen to post a topic about the shadow Chancellor rather than a topic in defence of his own Chancellor who is in power if not control of the real economy? as the charge is that Ed Balls has no impact on the economic debate and is not trusted. Then blue posts a topic showing the opposite. as he must be having some impact too then post a new topic on him. if not why bother doing it? as you have to be very desperate to post a topic about the SHADOW CHANCELLOR.

Officially Blue has left the building........but!

Before I go I will answer that last point Stox....The reason I do not defend Osbourne is because he is no different from Ed Balls. Both are arrogant, smarmy, smug, unprincipled, power hungry career politicians....and both 'think' they know what they are doing or would do on the economy, when they clearly don't have a clue

I cannot defend the indefensible.....

My thread was meant to pose Labour supporters here a question. It is widely known that Balls is pretty unliked by the general public (I know he isnt amongst many here) and I wanted to ask for opinions on that and heavens forbid on here....have a debate

Adios people...take care

" I cannot defend the indefencable....."

Or, indeed, the spelling...

But what is happening with bluey? His avatar suggests his mouth is taped up - and yet we still hear his words of wisdom. Whence can the sound be coming if not from his lips...?

blue,

Where you off? Are you leaving Cutting Edge....if so why?

It'll be a shame to see you go; but then again, I'm thinking about waving goodbye myself.

Is it too hot in the kitchen chaps?

Both would be very much missed. Think again, do not be too hasty in your decision please.

Many thanks,
with much respect,
Mel.

blue "My thread was meant to pose Labour supporters here a question"

Don't be too disapointed blue. Ask a question by all means but it will not get you anywhere attempting to make out that Balls is "widely known Balls is pretty unliked by the general public"
Saying it is one thing blue, proving it is another.
Every politician is disliked by some folk and I am aware the masses dislike Osborne and yet not aware of the same dislike for Balls, unless you read the Daily Mail bias.

Pedantic point. The correct grammatical form of the question would be ....

Why is E B disliked and mistrusted?

If anybody's keeping score.

It didn't seem polite to mention it - until a further 'offence' occurred which made it unavoidable .

However, it can be of no surprise that any Tory-leaning folk hereabouts are too embarrassed to stay and seek to tell us all how their favourites are stunningly successsful in engineering Britain's recovery. After all, I did not detect that there was any mass exodus of Labour fans on MSN when they were getting hammered for all the woes which beset the country under their stewardship.

Happiliy , I find myself as a supporter of neither Labour nor the Evil Coalition - a position which gives me the luxury of firing in whichever direction takes my fancy. But I do have to admit that there is nothing quite like thrusting a custard pie in the visage of a snooty and corrupt Tory - and there are so many from which to choose...

I think Blue was at least honest about his views. And he's one of the only tories that I felt I could debate with, as usually I just wanna throw up on them. We need to remember that every one is entitled to an opinion, I don't agree with a lot of what he says, but he sure as hell has the right to say it. Please don't leave Mr Blue. This is a politics forum, it is not purely a labour voters forum. All views are welcome, or at least they should be. If we don't understand everyones view point, how can we hope to find the common ground that we need to help our government and future governments to start listening to us?

Yes, bluey is a good sort really, and willing to have a bit of banter about his tendency to see too much through blue-coloured spectacles. It may not be his fault : he may - for example -have been dropped on his head as an infant and been forced to read the Daily Mail as he grew up with portraits of Margaret Thatcher around the house.

Whatever the reason for his misguided viewpoint , it would be a shame not to see his offerings continue on these threads ...

As our local Vicar might confirm, there's little point in preaching to the converted.

True no point OW. In my book blue is neither "unliked" disliked and not not liked. How's that?

I'm not leaving guys but thought it better to keep off the forum for a couple of days to let myslef cool down, so I didn't get into any trouble.

We all know politics can bring out the best and worst in people, but I would hope I can still have my view point (blue tinted and all) and I'm happy to receive critisism and debate with people.

I am not a snooty blue-nose, I am a working class fella brought up by a single parent on a crappy council estate and went to a bog standard comprehensive. So I do not look down my nose at other people and I am not in favour of any policies benefiting only the rich...I have never been and probably never will be anything near rich.

I know what the Tories stand for and I know what Im looking at...With Labour I feel they dress themsleves up as someting different, but behind the disguise I can see the hypocracy. I feel like they're trying to take me and others for fools.

We all have our reason for supporting a particular party and mine are quite clear to me, but if truth be known...if there was an election tomorrow I dont know who I would vote for.

Thanks for pointing out my gramatical errors OW, maybe it was that bog standard comp edukashun I received

Blue. "I'm leaving guys" May I ask why blue??

Blue and chippy don't leave, simply laugh at the bias of the labluvvies, I must admit I considered leaving myself, hence I've been quiet of late, simply watching from the bylines, also scarecrow hang in there. Yes this is the most biased forum out there full of self proclaimed left footers who quote from the papers and TV without an ounce of original thought between them, what ever your politics try to educate the fools as they know not what they do, which coincidentally brings us back to Fat Ed. Weird world innit?

Ed Balls is no doubt disliked by most Tories because he's a combative Labour politician, yet liked by most Labour supporters as someone with more of a clue about economics than Osborne. Hardly a news story if people on each side of the political fence favour their own.

When somebody started a thread asking if Cameron is a moron, any Tory supporters could simply reply 'no', if that's their opinion. This thread is dishonest because it makes an assumption in its title. That's the difference, and why it's reminiscent of the tripe we used to get from brownboots1 at MSN and can do without here.

No more dishonest than other threads Ivan. There are very few within this forum that don't drop to their knees and swoon for the labour party, do what others do Ivan and simply ignore what you don't like rather than become a vicar sermonising from the pulpit praising all things labour.

I remember MSN and for all the nonsense BB came out with, it was still basically a left foot thread destroyed by your beloved trolls.

"do what others do Ivan and simply ignore what you don't like"

That counts you out as "others" then Land.

Do you really have to border upon rudeness every time you post?
Do try to be civil, it costs nothing. Thanks.

Though you no longer amaze me with your total crassness melly, how can you rudely discount my posts, yet claim I'm rude, civility is a two way street son. Get it right.

Mel wrote:"do what others do Ivan and simply ignore what you don't like"

That counts you out as "others" then Land.

Do you really have to border upon rudeness every time you post?
Do try to be civil, it costs nothing. Thanks.

Hiya Mel
I would mind so much if it was something new. but its always the same old lines about what they do not like. but then most of the Tory party sycophantic fan club sort of post as if they have right wing dementia Mel.

its my understanding that patients develop delusions? Well our two are coming along very well Mel. ha ha

Ecclesiasticus 44:1‐15
1 Let us now praise famous men, and our fathers that begat us.
2 The Lord hath wrought great glory by them
through his great power from the beginning.
3 Such as did bear rule in their kingdoms,
men renowned for their power,
giving counsel by their understanding, and declaring prophecies:
4 Leaders of the people by their counsels,
and by their knowledge of learning meet for the people,
wise and eloquent are their instructions:
5 Such as found out musical tunes, and recited verses in writing:
6 Rich men furnished with ability,
living peaceably in their habitations:
7 All these were honoured in their generations,
and were the glory of their times.