Atheist church of the evolving human God

by Greatest I am Fri Nov 09, 2012 1:54 pm

First topic message reminder :

Atheist Church of the evolving Human God.

Atheist friends, should you elect a God and sacrifice to him or her?

By doing so, you would be acknowledging that mankind is the greatest force in the universe by symbolically taking the name of Human God and insuring that there is always a church that preaches the truth of what is known as a certainty of the supernatural God. That he probably does not exist and is a man-made mythical ideal perpetuated by the Noble Lie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T64_El2s7FU

If you believe what the research indicates in terms of hive behavior, then you might wonder as I do if it would not be in the best interest of the atheist movement to elect an atheist God and sacrifice to him or her?

This, if the research is true, would insure the longevity and cohesion of the atheist movement and give it power.

You may have some suggestion for the title that you would put on your leader and church. I do not except for my choice in the title above. Not being a full atheist, I would not have a vote on it; even as I support atheists and non-supernatural spirituality in people over supernatural religious notions and beliefs. I would also suggest a mantra for this church; that being, --- Faith without Facts is for Fools.

I believe in a strongly assertive type of atheism that preaches that truth is the highest principle. This preaching should be done with eloquence and good form and language; recognizing the trap of logical fallacies and the impossibility of atheists proving that there is no creator God; as well as the impossibility of believers to prove that there is a creator God.

Unfortunately I cannot call myself an atheist anymore because of having suffered an apotheosis. As an esoteric ecumenist and Gnostic Christian, you will know that I think that creating an atheist church should be the next evolutionary step for the atheist movement. I believe the research shown above to be true and fear that without a church, atheism will not be affective and perhaps die out without it.

Creating an atheist church would be the ideal for both religionists and atheists. It would insure that atheists are always here to correct the imaginary thinking of those who believe in a mythical supernatural God. This would be a benevolent and altruistic expression of atheist’s social conscience and desire to bring all people to sane thinking. This atheist church would recognize the human attribute shown in the following clip and gently try to help those adults whose thinking is hampered by it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vm971ltF44A&feature=related

Atheists seem to already want to do more for society towards this end as they seem to be over-represented in religious forums even as statistics say that the atheist in the U. S. and Canada are only at about 5% of the population. This is a sacrifice for atheists that already adds some cohesion and longevity to the organization and appeases the hive nature that we seem to have. But I do not think it is enough based on the research shown above.

Should atheist elect themselves a Pope or God or someone with some other title and do whatever sacrifice is demanded of them to keep the movement alive for the long run?

Regards
DL

by Shirina Tue Nov 27, 2012 6:17 pm

polyglide is making all this up as she goes along, and doing it very badly.

Heh, yeah, that's the impression I'm getting, too.

by Tosh Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:44 pm

Heh, yeah, that's the impression I'm getting, too..

Never try and kid a kidder, just too atypical creationist( googled) from the get go and then suddenly fresh bait.....polytheism ?

I got the impression she was basically copying Texas with a different slant, probably saw how much Texas frustrates posters with his bare assertions and repetitiveness.

by oftenwrong Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:41 pm

Tosh wrote:
Heh, yeah, that's the impression I'm getting, too..

Never try and kid a kidder

Never try and kid a kidder © oftenwrong 2012

by Tosh Wed Nov 28, 2012 9:50 am

Never try and kid a kidder © oftenwrong 2012.

If she is genuine I will admit I am wrong, eat my hat and take out a restraining order against her/him/it.

by polyglide Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:57 am

The hat should taste good with a little tomato sauce, I can tell you the address for the restraining order having obtained them for similar idiots like yourself but you would have a job getting any satisfaction because you have to prove you are sane yourself an impossibility in your case.

Admit you are wrong, you have never been right either in the head or in your posts.

by Tosh Sat Dec 01, 2012 2:27 pm

Admit you are wrong,

I am wrong, you aint a wind up troll, you are actually a deranged and delusional fruitcake who fights from the front, what a crackerbarrel.

by snowyflake Sat Dec 01, 2012 7:52 pm

My money is on scientific facts, reason, logic and plain old common sense. If you really thought about belief in a God, you'd know what an irrationality it truly is. You are believing in invisible beings in the ether beyond our senses that fight each other for the big prize of your soul. What for? The purpose of your existence should not be to appease an angry, spiteful, petty god. The purpose of your existence should be to help your fellow man, love your family and friends and try to do good wherever you go. You don't need a god to do that. And if polyglide does need a god to prove to herself that she is 'good', then perhaps she is more evil than most if she cannot do it without belief in a supernatural father figure that keeps her on the straight and narrow. So the question is, would polyglide be a good person even if she didn't believe in god? If she answers yes to that question, then what does she need god for in the first place. If she answers no to that question then perhaps we ought to leave her to her delusions.

by Guest Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:08 pm

snowyflake wrote:
The purpose of your existence should be to help your fellow man, love your family and friends and try to do good wherever you go.

Exactly. Thank you for reiterating Jesus’ teaching.

Greek Bible

“Therefore, in all things whatsoever, treat others in the same way you want them to treat you, for this is the Law and the Prophets.”

Matthew 7:12

by Tosh Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:40 pm

Exactly. Thank you for reiterating Jesus’ teaching.

You must confess it was a fairly common message throughout the ancient world, should we also worship the Egyptian, Sumerian and Hindu Gods, should we ignore Buddha and Confucius because they were not resurrected ?

The Jewish scriptures moral teachings are a collage of Sumerian( Abraham) and Egyptian ( Moses) codes of conduct, they were hardly unique. I would imagine after 500 years even Jesus may have been influenced by all of these foreign messages, maybe he cherry picked the best bits from them all and that's why his message became popular.

by Tosh Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:59 pm

The Egyptian book of the dead was written around 1550 bce, and recent scholarship puts the Yahwist scriptures at around the Babylonian exile in 538 bce, some 1000 years later, even the most biased Jew would accept a strong similarity with their Commandments and codes.

It is inaccurate to portray Jewish moral codes as original or unique, Yahweh did not invent goodness, he was just another personnification of it.

by Tosh Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:29 am

One highly influential thinker was Confucius (551-479 BCE), whose ethics focused on three things: (1) ceremonies for sacrifice to ancestors and various gods, (2) social and political institutions, and (3) daily etiquette. For Confucius, the most important things was empathy for others and social harmony, expressed in his ethic of reciprocity: “one must always treat others just as one would want others to treat oneself.” Versions of this “Golden Rule” appear in dozens of religions and ethical philosophies, before and after Confucius.

http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=2141

500 years before Jesus.

by snowyflake Sun Dec 02, 2012 9:27 am

Exactly. Thank you for reiterating Jesus’ teaching.

Jesus was a plagiarist, Rock. Smile

He was not the only one with these thoughts. And as the atheists on this board can attest you don't need to believe in Jesus to behave in a humane, just and loving way.

by tlttf Mon Dec 03, 2012 3:03 pm

Being a staunch unbeliever myself, I thought somebody might appreciate this radio debate between Peter Hitchens and Alex Gabriel.

Another Debate on Religion - is Society Less Civilised Without God?

I am grateful to Premier Christian Radio for providing this podcast

: http://media.premier.org.uk/unbelievable/7d14e3e1-5297-4394-9830-1167e3fdfb2d.mp3.

It is a recording (the sound is, alas, not always of very high quality) of a debate a couple of weeks ago in which I argued about the effect of religion on society with the Atheist, Alex Gabriel.

Some of you may find it worth listening to, as I think it deals with a number of questions which come up here, in a reasonably thoughtful manner.

by oftenwrong Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:15 pm

I wish I could remember the name of that foreign seaside resort that used to regularly stage a debate (out of season of course) on profound topics among serious invited contestants.

It was remarkable in having four levels of award which were the traditional bronze, silver and gold roses, but for the Winner a beautiful real red rose. Traditionally it went to the orator who used the fewest words to express the greatest sentiment.

by Tosh Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:20 pm

Traditionally it went to the orator who used the fewest words to express the greatest sentiment..

Bullshit.

by oftenwrong Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:27 pm

From the mouth, actually Tosh. Not your customary orifice.

by Guest Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:31 pm

RockOnBrother wrote:
Exactly. Thank you for reiterating Jesus’ teaching.
Greek Bible

“Therefore, in all things whatsoever, treat others in the same way you want them to treat you, for this is the Law and the Prophets.”

Matthew 7:12

snowyflake wrote:
Jesus was a plagiarist, Rock. He was not the only one with these thoughts. And as the atheists on this board can attest you don't need to believe in Jesus to behave in a humane, just and loving way.

Jesus neither “invented” nor took credit for first stating truth; at b’r’shythe, YHVH Elohim bara (creates/created) truth as he bara (creates/created) existence. In fact, Jesus clearly states:

Greek Bible

“Think not that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets: I have come not to abolish, but to fulfill. For truly I say unto you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is fulfilled.”

Matthew 5:17-18

Notice Jesus’ reiteration of Law (Torah) in his answer to the lawyer:

Greek Bible

Then one of them, that was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, saying, “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?”

And Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

But wishing to justify himself, the lawyer said to Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?”

And Jesus answering said, “A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among robbers, and they stripped him and beat him, and departed, leaving him half dead. And by chance a certain priest came down that road, and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side. And likewise a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side.”

“But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came upon him, and when he saw him, he felt compassion for him, and came to him and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.”

“And on the next day when he departed, he took out two denarii, and gave them to the innkeeper and said unto him, ‘Take care of him, and whatsoever more you spend, when I return I will repay you.”

“Which of these three do you think was neighbor to the man that fell among the robbers?” And the lawyer said, “The one who showed mercy toward him.”

Then Jesus said to him, “Go, and do likewise.”

Matthew 22:35-40, Luke 10:29-37

Compare Jesus’ rendering to that which was recorded perhaps one thousand five hundred years prior to Jesus’ reiteration:

Hebrew Bible:

“You shalt not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the sons of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself; I am the Lord.¹”

“The stranger who resides with you shall be to you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt; I am the Lord¹ your God.²”

Leviticus 19:18, 34

Notice that in the Law fulfilled, Jesus combines “stranger’ with “neighbor”, teaching that the despised Samaritan was a true neighbor to the Jew who had been waylaid by highwaymen. This is not a new teaching; it is a Torah teaching fulfilled and a teaching that all who hear Jesus’ words are challenged to follow.

Who is my neighbor? Perhaps Muslim women that, as we speak, are brutalized, kidnapped, raped, tortured, and murdered “for culture’s sake.”

For clarity’s sake, note the following.

יְהוֹוָה,‎ yehôvâh, (yeh-ho-vaw‘), self-existent, eternal, Jewish national (unspoken) name of God, YHVH.
אֱלוֹהִים,‎ ‘ĕlôhı̂ym, (el-o-heem‘), mighty, incomprehensible power, supreme.

by polyglide Tue Dec 04, 2012 2:43 pm

Once a Troll always a Troll and and in your case a bad one, I do not need to name him he is self proclaimed and his posts conrfim the bad bit.

Even a fruit cake has some good points and good taste, whereas the only thing I can think that explains the existance of such a cretin as the one named Tosh is a visit from outer space and that must be why his posts are so out of this world.

by oftenwrong Tue Dec 04, 2012 5:36 pm

Alternatively an undiagnosed inferiority complex, perhaps?

by snowyflake Tue Dec 04, 2012 7:54 pm

Hi Rock. The bible is full of many good verses and many bad verses. You can cherry pick the good ones and leave out the bad ones if you so choose. But how reliable is the bible as a source, the so called 'inspired' word of God, if you have to pick and choose what are the good bits and what are the bad bits? What's the point of having a handbook that tells you how to live a moral existence if it also tells you how to hate, kill, rape, steal, burn and pillage? I think I do alright without it, thanks. Smile

by Tosh Tue Dec 04, 2012 8:22 pm

Once a Troll always a Troll and and in your case a bad one, I do not need to name him he is self proclaimed and his posts conrfim the bad bit. Even a fruit cake has some good points and good taste, whereas the only thing I can think that explains the existance of such a cretin as the one named Tosh is a visit from outer space and that must be why his posts are so out of this world..

Yes dear, when is the next headcount ?

by Tosh Tue Dec 04, 2012 8:26 pm

Alternatively an undiagnosed inferiority complex, perhaps? .

Is that why follow me about like my bitch, Walter ?

From the mouth, actually Tosh. Not your customary orifice..

My customary orifice currently has you sniffing about it, down bitch...down.

Aww....poor old Walter has had his precious sage persona dismantled by a silly troll, and he wants it back.

Too late clown, it was just too easy. cheers

by Tosh Tue Dec 04, 2012 8:44 pm

Still no content from Walter, after all this time....lololol.

I just love pretentious intellectuals, they reek of weakness.

by oftenwrong Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:57 pm

Keep digging, you'll get where you should be soon enough. God forgives.

by Tosh Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:57 am

Keep digging, you'll get where you should be soon enough. God forgives..

You seem to be the only one digging on these threads my friend, I am simply swatting flies.

by oftenwrong Wed Dec 05, 2012 5:06 pm

That Tosh is such a little wit !

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by Tosh Wed Dec 05, 2012 5:43 pm

That Tosh is such a little wit !

....and I have you to thank. Very Happy

by oftenwrong Wed Dec 05, 2012 7:20 pm

.... for the little wit.

by snowyflake Wed Dec 05, 2012 9:22 pm

I'm really not being funny but you two need to get a room and work this out between you.....

Many thanks in advance for your valued cooperation Smile

by oftenwrong Wed Dec 05, 2012 10:37 pm

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