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Post by bambu on Tue Apr 03, 2012 10:08 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GL042bOoSU

The Condemned - Indonesia

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'Muslim' Indonesia, ...Obama's very best friend in the whole world, has sentenced two Aussie kids to death for drug smuggling.

Obama 'recently' declared himself "America’s first Pacific president."

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/29511.html

'America's first Pacific president'

TOKYO — Trying to reassure allies and rivals, President Barack Obama billed himself Saturday as "America’s first Pacific president," promising the nations of Asia "a new era of engagement with the world based on mutual interests and mutual respect."

Obama spoke extensively of his own roots in the region – his birth in Hawaii, living in Indonesia as a boy, his mother spending nearly a decade working in the villages of Southeast Asia.


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He needs to talk his very best friends in the whole world Indonesia into taking Chan and Sukumaran off death row.
...because if 'Muslim' Indonesia execution-shreds Chan [now a Christian, mentored by the Salvation Army], and Sukumaran, .....Obama's 'new era of engagement' will be a dismal failure as his buddies in Indonesia get put on the hate list of most people in Australia...and all that entails.

Chan and Sukumaran will be lodging an appeal later this year to the President of Indonesia for clemency, but he doesn't grant any sort of clemency to drug smugglers, so "WW3" in the region looms large. Smile
Indonesia just doesn't get it.
Obama needs to explain it to them.

Will Obama have Chan and Sukumaran taken off death row, or will he let them be execution-shredded by 'Muslim' Indonesia his very best friends?

That is the question.
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Post by ROB on Tue Apr 03, 2012 10:45 am


Indonesia, Singapore, and I believe Malaysia, routinely put drug smugglers to death. To the two Aussies I would say, “You knew it was a snake before you took it in.” See the video for full understanding.





I met a woman at 7-11 one afternoon about three decades ago. We conversed for three hours, of which time I talked for about ten minutes and listened for about two hours and fifty minutes.

She was lamenting her life with her betrothed. She was an ex-waitress; he was a drug czar. He imported, but never saw and never used, the white powder that at the time was rich and famous folks’ drug of choice. He had a mansion hanging off the side of a mountain, indoor-outdoor swimming pool, tennis court, basketball court, helipad, and more stuff that I don’t remember specifically. The helipad was used when he leased a chopper to take him to the airport to board and travel in his private jet.

She and he, the ex-waitress and the drug czar, were miserable in their luxury. She was about twenty-five, he was thirty. I remember his age specifically because she said that he had just turned thirty with a serious case of ulcers.

The problem was this: The drug czar knew that, at anytime, his higher-ups in South America might have suspected him of something, anything, and he and his beloved were dead. Bodyguards were no protection, because no mate how much he paid them, his higher-ups could pay more and threaten their families. In fact, if anything, his bodyguards were a constant potential threat.

In one year’s time, according to the ex-waitress, the drug czar had slept through the night only four times. She and he had very quietly discussed him leaving the business, but the higher-ups wouldn’t have it, and if he displeased them, there was no place on earth he could hide.

Oh yeah, he was driving a several hundred thousand dollar Excalibur replicar at a time that I was driving a Five thousand and change VW. He had n ulcer; I was in pretty good health. He didn’t sleep much; I got a good night’s sleep every night. He was worth multi-millions; my average daily balance was normally something like forty-two dollars and seventy-nine cents.

She told me that she envied me because of my untangled life.
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That all being said, I cannot support death penalties for drug dealing.
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Post by bambu on Tue Apr 03, 2012 11:38 am

Reminds me of the 'drug czar' and his henchmen chasing 'Crocodile Dundee' thru the outback; Smile

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jOrLpe8a4A

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'Crescent Moon' was the Asian cartel involved.
Chan and Sukumaran were basically mules in my eyes, although having organised the others.
The Mr Bigs in Asia escaped, as usual.

It was special heroin, it just flew in the windows of the several different hotels the mules were staying at and landed on the tables...because, despite having the Bali9 under surveillance, the Indonesian cops didn't see anyone deliver it to them, LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUSXyXJ-D7U
SBY addresses [Australian] parliament

"Goodwill and friendship from the good people of Indonesia"

[Indonesian President] he just doesn't get it!
He seems to think he can execution-shred our kids and nothing will happen. Smile


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Post by oftenwrong on Tue Apr 03, 2012 12:51 pm

QUOTE: "He seems to think he can execution-shred our kids and nothing will happen."

Why should anything happen? People who traffic in drugs know there are rich rewards for taking a chance and getting away with it.

When you don't get away with it, nobody should expect a Get out of Jail Free Card because of their Passport color. Ask a Mexican.
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Post by Ivan on Tue Apr 03, 2012 8:40 pm

I'm not quite sure why anyone would expect the President of the USA to get involved in a drug smuggling case concerning two Australians in Indonesia! Julia Gillard maybe, but not Barack Obama.
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Post by bambu on Tue Apr 03, 2012 11:55 pm

Ivan wrote:I'm not quite sure why anyone would expect the President of the USA to get involved in a drug smuggling case concerning two Australians in Indonesia! Julia Gillard maybe, but not Barack Obama.

It is entitled to be expected as he has virtually proclaimed himself the ruler of the region.


It's not just a drug smuggling case, there is a much bigger picture.

Australia has given Indonesians 'everything', billions [of now borrowed money] in financial aid every few years, extra billions after the tsunami, kids sold lemonade by the roadside to raise money to send them.
The People sent many containerloads of toys, furniture, clothes etc to them.
Also gave them the lives of 9 of our best military doctors and other personnel...when a relief chopper crashed.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/At-last-their-tears-could-fall/2005/04/05/1112489491932.html

At last their tears could fall

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The Indonesian President and Prime Minister Howard stood together on the tarmac at Sydney airport that day and announced "A new era of cooperation and understanding".

So what did Indonesia do a few weeks later?
Sentenced White, Western, Christian, Australian girl, a "flower of Aussie womanhood", to twenty years in hell.
Brave girl wore the Christian Cross around her neck on her sentencing day.

Then sentenced some of the Bali9 to death.

Indonesia genocided 200,000 people in East Timor, so what's another two added to the death toll.
It hates Australia for helping boot it out of East Timor.



Australia asked them nicely not to apply the death penalty, but they told Australia to get lost "butt out".

http://www.news.com.au/features/butt-out-on-death-penalty/story-e6frfl3i-1111114286388

'Butt out on death penalty'

THE judges hearing the Bali Nine trials have warned Australians not to interfere in Indonesia's right to impose capital punishment, insisting they would not allow their independence to be compromised.
They said today that any attempt to influence their handling of the heroin trafficking cases would yield the same result as in Singapore with the drugs case of executed man Van Tuong Nguyen: defiance.

"Criticism from outside is expected, but Indonesian courts will only adhere to the laws applied in this country, and that includes the death penalty," Denpasar District Court judge and spokesman I Wayan Yasa Abadhi said.


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About time Aussie showed Indonesia some defiance, and got some warriors instead of wimps in its halls of power.

They sentenced Schapelle to 20 years.
Two Muslim brothers caught smuggling 8kgs of marijuana thru Jakarta airport...one got 5 years the other 6 years.
The jihadists who hacked the heads off three Christian schoolgirls got 14 years.
The Balinese man who stabbed Aussie girl Heidi Murphy dozens of times and killed her, got 15 years.

Schapelle Corby's sentence is clearly racist and religionist.
Chan's and Sukumaran's death sentences are a total outrage!




http://www.talkleft.com/story/2005/06/04/894/24263

Indonesians march for Schapelle Corby to die

"I almost threw up my lunch when I saw this".


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So did I.
Luckily, I only made a small donation to the tsunami relief fund.




Andrew Chan is now a Christian...that should make for an interesting execution-slaughter day.
'Muslim' Indonesia shredding a Christian son of the Southern Cross.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-c3WIL4JSAU
Bangkok Hilton - The Execution

Thailand, but it's basically the same thing.


Chan and Sukumaran were lost, and now they are found...but Indonesia is going to kill them anyway.
Baaah!









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Post by Ivan on Wed Apr 04, 2012 12:51 am

he has virtually proclaimed himself the ruler of the region.
That's not something I've ever heard Barack Obama intimate.

I detest the death penalty every bit as much as you, but when the US President doesn't even have the power to stop executions in American states, he certainly wouldn't be able to intervene in Indonesia. I don't know if you're trying to make a political point against him, but his predecessor was a great supporter of capital punishment and sent hundreds to their deaths when he was Governor of Texas.

These people facing execution are Australians, and if Australia has given a great deal of assistance to Indonesia, then it's Julia Gillard who has the best chance of preventing their deaths.
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Post by bambu on Wed Apr 04, 2012 1:36 am

Ivan wrote:
he has virtually proclaimed himself the ruler of the region.
That's not something I've ever heard Barack Obama intimate.

I detest the death penalty every bit as much as you, but when the US President doesn't even have the power to stop executions in American states, he certainly wouldn't be able to intervene in Indonesia. I don't know if you're trying to make a political point against him, but his predecessor was a great supporter of capital punishment and sent hundreds to their deaths when he was Governor of Texas.

These people facing execution are Australians, and if Australia has given a great deal of assistance to Indonesia, then it's Julia Gillard who has the best chance of preventing their deaths.


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/29511.html

'America's first Pacific president'

TOKYO — Trying to reassure allies and rivals, President Barack Obama billed himself Saturday as "America’s first Pacific president," promising the nations of Asia "a new era of engagement with the world based on mutual interests and mutual respect."

Obama spoke extensively of his own roots in the region – his birth in Hawaii, living in Indonesia as a boy, his mother spending nearly a decade working in the villages of Southeast Asia.


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That's what he said.

The 'Pacific president' is basically the ruler.
Indonesia just treats Australia with utter contempt, obvious by the jail and death sentences listed above...etc.

Obama is their only hope.
He can certainly intervene in Indonesia, talk to his best friends.


http://www.australian-news.com.au/Corby.htm

Amid a national outcry in Australia over the harsh sentence, Australian politicians have been calling for Australians to respect Indonesia's legal system and accept its verdicts.

Our citizens are entitled to a fair trial, regardless of the location of the court. And having been convicted, they are entitled to be jailed in humane circumstances.

For the past eight months, Corby was forced to share a cramped, rat-infested room with seven other women. A recent visitor to Corby reported that the daily ration of food consists of a rancid bowl of rice with one or two prawn heads. She also reported that the squat toilet in the room was blocked, creating an overpowering stench.

Prisoners are forced to prepare their food adjacent to this toilet. There is no such thing as a hot shower. The best Corby can do is ladle cold water over her body from the daily ration of one bucket of water.


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A bucket of cold water, rancid rice and two prawnheads.
Indonesia, don't ya just love it?

Things have improved somewhat for her, she can now receive and cook her own food supplied by her family...she shares it with the other women.
The bright spotlight showed her plight.
She's no longer lying on her mattress, human waste flooding the floor.
They built a raised platform, and installed a new floor.



While Schapelle Corby got twenty years jail, Abu Bakir Bashir, one of the masterminds of the Bali bombing atrocity that claimed 202 lives got a mere 30 months jail.

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We're not asking for Chan and Sukumaran to be set free, just removed from death row.

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Post by bambu on Wed Apr 04, 2012 1:44 am

oftenwrong wrote:QUOTE: "He seems to think he can execution-shred our kids and nothing will happen."

Why should anything happen? People who traffic in drugs know there are rich rewards for taking a chance and getting away with it.

When you don't get away with it, nobody should expect a Get out of Jail Free Card because of their Passport color. Ask a Mexican.

Young people make mistakes.
No one is asking for a get out of jail free card, just no death chamber killing.


Mexican/any drug smugglers caught in Australia do not receive death sentences.

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/officials-seize-cocaine-worth-70m-on-ship-20120404-1wcl3.html

Officials seize cocaine worth $70m on ship

Authorities have seized about $70 million worth of cocaine on the high seas after raiding a ship on its way to Australia.

US authorities tipped off the AFP that a vessel suspected of carrying a large quantity of cocaine was en route to Australia from South America, but that its location was unknown.


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Post by bambu on Wed Apr 04, 2012 9:28 am

Rather than start a separate thread I've included Schapelle Corby, who initially faced a possible death sentence, but was not sentenced to death, in this thread.

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http://www.news.com.au/world/report-recommends-clemency-for-schapelle-corby/story-e6frfkyi-1226318691689

Indonesia recommends clemency for Schapelle Corby

. Final report recommending release handed to president
. Cuts to sentence would be based on humanitarian grounds
. Corby on antidepressants and anti-psychotic drugs

SCHAPELLE Corby is a step closer to winning her freedom with Indonesia's Justice Ministry confirming it has recommended the convicted drug smuggler be granted early release.

Dr Yudhoyono's decision will be based on the recommendation from the Justice and Human Rights Ministry, as well as advice from the Attorney-General's Department, Foreign Ministry and National Narcotics Board, which he sought in 2010 after Corby lodged her application.

"Hopefully this clemency decision will be made by the President very soon," Mr Nawing said today.


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There's been false hope before...but this looks more promising.
We'll see what happens.

It's national headline news on radio and tv tonight in Australia.
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Post by oftenwrong on Wed Apr 04, 2012 11:52 am

As long as the nations of the world maintain that drugs are illegal, the punishment for breaking that law must be a deterrent to others.
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Post by Shirina on Wed Apr 04, 2012 12:00 pm

The 'Pacific president' is basically the ruler.
You're misinterpreting what Obama said.

He did not mean it in the sense that he is the President of the Pacific. That wouldn't even make sense. It would be like me claiming to be the Queen of England or the Czarina of Russia. What legitimacy would I have to make such a claim? Well, about the same amount of legitimacy Obama would have proclaiming himself the president of every nation in the Pacific Rim.

No ... what he was actually saying is that he is the President (of the USA) who was born and raised in the Pacific region. Thus, he is the "Pacific President." I know he didn't word that very well, but I understand what he meant.

In addition ... not that I disagree with your cause, bambu ... but this is precisely the kind of thing that just flat out irritates me about some British and Commonwealth folks. They'll be the first people to stick an accusing finger into the chest of America and proclaim how bad we are for meddling and interfering in the affairs of other nations. Yet when it serves their cause, agenda, or political ideology, they expect - even demand - that America meddle and interfere. It's a no-win situation, a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" scenario.

I also agree that Australia's own president should be taking care of this issue, not Obama. I am a firm believer in America minding its own business except in the most extreme cases.
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Post by astradt1 on Wed Apr 04, 2012 12:09 pm

Roc stated:- That all being said, I cannot support death penalties for drug dealing.

Why not surely those drug dealing 'Beasts' who deal damage and death to so many should be concidered as bad as mass murdering 'beasts'??
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Post by oftenwrong on Wed Apr 04, 2012 12:33 pm


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Post by ROB on Wed Apr 04, 2012 9:06 pm

bambu wrote:
Young people make mistakes.

When one smuggles drugs, one does not male a mistake; one violates the law. In fact, one violated multiple laws of at least two countries, the country from which the drugs are smuggled, and the country into which the drugs are smuggled. If there are other countries through which the drugs have transited, one also violates laws of those countries.

bambu wrote:
No one is asking for a get out of jail free card, just no death chamber killing.

My opposition to the death penalty for these two Aussie drug smugglers is not base upon the seriousness of their crimes. Cocaine, heroine, meth, and other drugs have fueled decimation of whole societies.

However, these specific drug smugglers, to the best of my knowledge, have not murdered anyone. Even if the drugs they smuggled can be shown to have led to the deaths of others, those deaths are not murder. Perhaps negligent homicide, as they knew or should have known that the drugs they smuggled would lead to others’ deaths, but that’s not murder.

If, on the other hand, they had been involved in illegally taking the lives of other humans in a premeditated manner and with malice aforethought, as has been the case with persons working for drug cartels, and if they had been convicted of these killings, I would support death penalties for the acts of murder. But I cannot support death for drug smuggling, or any other offense except murder.
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Post by bambu on Wed Apr 04, 2012 11:59 pm

Shirina wrote:
The 'Pacific president' is basically the ruler.
You're misinterpreting what Obama said.

He did not mean it in the sense that he is the President of the Pacific. That wouldn't even make sense. It would be like me claiming to be the Queen of England or the Czarina of Russia. What legitimacy would I have to make such a claim? Well, about the same amount of legitimacy Obama would have proclaiming himself the president of every nation in the Pacific Rim.

No ... what he was actually saying is that he is the President (of the USA) who was born and raised in the Pacific region. Thus, he is the "Pacific President." I know he didn't word that very well, but I understand what he meant.

In addition ... not that I disagree with your cause, bambu ... but this is precisely the kind of thing that just flat out irritates me about some British and Commonwealth folks. They'll be the first people to stick an accusing finger into the chest of America and proclaim how bad we are for meddling and interfering in the affairs of other nations. Yet when it serves their cause, agenda, or political ideology, they expect - even demand - that America meddle and interfere. It's a no-win situation, a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" scenario.

I also agree that Australia's own president should be taking care of this issue, not Obama. I am a firm believer in America minding its own business except in the most extreme cases.

He's the "Pacific President"...in other words he's the "Most powerful man on earth", and he's one of us, including being the President of us, in reality.

Some...'British and Commonwealth folks'...but by no means all.

America can't just 'mind its own business' ...it needs an uninterrupted supply of oil and trade money income or it grinds to a halt.

Obama's best friends are Indonesia, it's perfectly clear.
As he pointed out, he's basically one of them.
These best friends of his are the ones who have the two Aussie kids on death row.
They treat Australia and its leaders with contempt, have up until now, [there could be some tiny cracks appearing in the contempt wall]...so Obama is the one best able to save the lives of the two Aussies.

After this speech of his in the Australian parliament recently, it's not too much to ask of him to talk to his best buddies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSl2PQtcXWo&feature=fvst
[Short part of] Obama speaks to Australian parliament

What about the universal human rights of the Australian people in Indonesian prisons?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtY4fQD-K0M
Watch Obama's parliament speech in full

The first 4 minutes show that if he speaks to Indonesia they will listen to him.
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Post by witchfinder on Thu Apr 05, 2012 7:37 pm

There are many times and many instances when we disagree with how other nations conduct their affairs, but in reality there is usualy little we can do about it.

At present there is much dissatisfaction in the UK at the extradition treaty with the United States, the perception is that justice in the US is second rate compared to here in Europe, and that the penal system is primitive and cruel.

Allthough I am opposed to the death penalty, and even though I personaly believe that the United States is wrong to continue using the death penalty, I accept that there is nothing I can do about it, it is a matter for the American government and people.

I detest drugs and the drugs trade including trafficking drugs, though I would never agree with killing someone as punishment for trafficking them.

To me - you are either in favour of capital punishment, or you are not in favour of capital punishment, there is no in between, or do you actualy want to dictate to Indonesia when they can use the death penalty, and when they should not, and for which offences.

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Post by oftenwrong on Thu Apr 05, 2012 7:51 pm

It's difficult to escape the obvious connection between the barbaric custom of taking human life OFFICIALLY, and any Nation that would adopt such a barbaric device as "correction" for misdeeds.
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Post by bambu on Fri Apr 06, 2012 7:45 am

witchfinder wrote:.....or do you actualy want to dictate to Indonesia when they can use the death penalty, and when they should not, and for which offences.

Yes!

Well I'm happy to tell them they should be abolishing execution-slaughter by the state altogether.
...and telling them that they should not be putting any Aussies to death, nor Africans like young Emanuel who smuggled drugs...he came from grinding poverty in Africa.
Haven't heard if they've killed him in cold-blood yet or not.

...nor anyone else!

Especially given this! :

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-world/no-new-hope-for-aussie-pair-on-death-row-20120104-1pl2f.html

Jakarta's successful diplomatic efforts to save Indonesians from the death penalty in other countries do not mean the two Bali Nine members on death row can expect a reprieve, the country's foreign minister says.

Indonesia was last year successful in saving the lives of 35 of its own citizens facing execution overseas.

"As for Indonesian citizens that have been (given) the death penalty, various diplomatic approaches were carried out at all levels, including by the president," Indonesian Foreign Minister Marty Natalegawa said on Wednesday.

"Among all Indonesian nationals facing the death penalty, more than 65 per cent were sentenced for drug offences and 31 per cent for homicide, the types of criminal offences that face serious consequences in many countries including Indonesia."

"The reality is in Indonesia, as in many other countries, capital punishment, death penalty, is still very much part of our legislation, our legal framework," he said in response to a question regarding the Australians on death row in Bali.

He rejected, however, the suggestion that efforts to save Indonesians from being put to death while also continuing to apply capital punishment against foreign nationals amounted to a double standard.


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LOL

...about the biggest double standard I can think of.



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Post by True Blue on Sun Oct 14, 2012 2:03 am

bambu wrote:Young people make mistakes.

Young people rarely make mistakes which contribute to the deaths of others. Drug trafficking does contribute to the death of others.

No one is asking for a get out of jail free card, just no death chamber killing.

It is not our business to dictate to other democracies what Rule of Law should be their rule of law.

Mexican/any drug smugglers caught in Australia do not receive death sentences.

Your argument seems to suggest that all nations should not have the death sentence, which in turn denies the Nation State their right to choose their own Rule of Law.

Bottom line: There are displays everywhere at the airports of such Nations warning the visitors of the death penalty for drug trafficking behavior and harsh penalties for pursuing drugs in their Nation. Visitors are well informed of the consequences. If they choose to ignore the message, then they must own the consequences also.
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Post by bambu on Mon Oct 15, 2012 12:01 am

And the barbaric nations dragging them from the cells to the gallows, firing squads etc for hanging, shredding etc must own their premeditated, cold-blooded killings...and be prepared for the hatred that will be hurled at them in return.

Now Malaysia is at it again;

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/national/familys-plea-to-save-emma-louise-laiguille-from-death-row/story-fndo1svg-1226440685669

THE mother of a Victorian woman facing the death penalty in Malaysia has begged for the mum of six's life to be spared.



http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/malaysia-drug-charge-nurse-emma-laigui...

Malaysia drug-charge nurse Emma L'Aiguille's son pleads 'I don't want my mum to die'

Emma L'Aiguille's father Wayne Walton comforts his daughter's 10-year-old son, who has pleaded for her safe return. Picture: Stewart Allen Source: Supplied

"I want my mum to come back to Australia. I don't want her to die," the boy said.

"I've been a bit sad. I don't really feel that good. I miss her a lot."
The heartbreaking plea from the boy comes as Ms L'Aiguille's devastated father spoke out, urging authorities: "Please don't hang my girl".

Wayne Walton, from Perth, spoke of his emotional torture yesterday and his fears that his daughter would suffer the same fate as Australian heroin mules Kevin Barlow and Brian Chambers, who were hanged in Malaysia in 1983.


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Yes, Malaysia, Indonesia, Singapore and Asia in general are good at execution-homiciding and emotionally torturing Aussies and their kids.

Time the payback started.
Cancel the free trade agreements! ...and stop all foreign aid...for starters.

Can you see Emma, and Dominic [The case comes as a Perth man, 32-year-old Dominic Jude Christopher Bird, faces charges of trafficking after his arrest in March for allegedly trying to sell 167 grams of methamphetamine ]    being dragged from their cells kicking and screaming...to the gallows for extermination?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfkSyVZGywU
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bambu wrote:
Yes, Malaysia, Indonesia, Singapore and Asia in general are good at execution-homiciding and emotionally torturing Aussies and their kids.

Aussie drug smugglers are good at smuggling addictive, death-causing, illegal drugs into Malaysia, Indonesia, and Singapore for selfish pecuniary gain. So are American drug smugglers, Mexican drug smugglers, and “Pick-a-Country-any-Country” drug smugglers. Additionally, drug smuggling always brings murders and other violent acts against humans along for the ride.

Interestingly, Aussie crocodile wranglers are welcome in Malaysia. I saw that on TV, so it must be true.

Shame on the Victorian drug smuggler that has sacrificed her father and her ten year old son at the alter of her greed.
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bambu wrote:
Yes, Malaysia, Indonesia, Singapore and Asia in general are good at execution-homiciding and emotionally torturing Aussies and their kids.

Aussie drug smugglers are good at smuggling addictive, death-causing, illegal drugs into Malaysia, Indonesia, and Singapore for selfish pecuniary gain. So are American drug smugglers, Mexican drug smugglers, and “Pick-a-Country-any-Country” drug smugglers. Additionally, drug smuggling always brings murders and other violent acts against humans along for the ride.

Interestingly, Aussie crocodile wranglers are welcome in Malaysia. I saw that on TV, so it must be true.

Shame on the Victorian drug smuggler that has sacrificed her father and her ten year old son at the alter of her greed.

Or not.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/police-watched-emma-laiguilles-boyfriend-in-undercover-police-operation/story-e6freuy9-1226484101460

Accused drug trafficker Emma L'Aiguille prepared to turn police witness for freedom

THE Australian mother facing the death penalty in Malaysia has told how she is desperate for a second chance at life and has offered to become a police witness to secure her freedom.
An emotional and softly spoken Emma L'Aiguille, 34, said she was innocent and determined to get out of jail and make the most of her life.

"I just want to come home and I want to be with my family. This will be my second chance in life and I'm not wasting it," Ms L'Aiguille said.

"I'm never coming back here again. I need my family and I'm starting fresh."


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Easier said than done, I fear.


In emotional scenes at court a sobbing Ms L'Aiguille hugged Ms Lawn and their mum Amanda Innes for the first time in two years.

Defence lawyer Muhammad Shafee Abdullah said Ms L'Aiguille, whose boyfriend was the initial target of the police sting that ended in her arrest, was willing to give evidence.

There was nothing connecting Ms L'Aiguille possessing the drugs or having any knowledge about the drugs under the car seat, he said. He said Ms L'Aiguille had ended up in the driver's seat when her boyfriend asked her to move the vehicle down the road.

"The police must have been observing so it cannot be the case that they never saw the two men leaving the car. I hope they tell the truth and Emma is as good as free," he said.


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So do I...but I wouldn't like to be risking my life on it.
Not her drugs, not her car...that makes her innocent.

Her boyfriend was a Black African man.
Why didn't the cops arrest him and the guy with him?

Is this a case of "Get the White Australian"?
"Get the White trash of Asia"?

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/DL19Ae02.html

Singapore's former prime minister (now senior minister), Lee Kuan Yew, once called Australia the "poor white trash in Asia".

Mahathir [former Malaysian PM] has repeatedly said that unless Australia's population becomes 70 percent Asian, or shows it is "truly Asian", it will never be accepted in the region.






Trouble is with 'the drug trade'...buyers are lined up at the drug dealers' doors to buy the illegal drugs.
That's people buying the illegal drugs ...are criminals, criminals buying and using the illegal drugs...any fate they suffer is all their own fault.
No customers, no drug trade, no drug smugglers.
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One thing of which there will never be a shortage is people happily telling other people what they should, or should not, be doing.
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bambu wrote:
Accused drug trafficker Emma L'Aiguille prepared to turn police witness for freedom

THE Australian mother facing the death penalty in Malaysia has told how she is desperate for a second chance at life and has offered to become a police witness to secure her freedom.

Her offer to become a police informant substantiates her foreknowledge and post-knowledge of the illegal drug transactions about which she is willing to inform, thus confirming her guilt as an accessory before and after the fact.

Her willingness to do whatever it takes to obtain what she wants confirms her selfishness, no doubt the same selfishness that motivated her to sacrifice her father and ten year old son at the altar of her greed

bambu wrote:
An emotional and softly spoken Emma L'Aiguille, 34, said she was innocent and determined to get out of jail and make the most of her life.

In a longitudinal study performed over a twenty year span at a maximum security prison in New England, more than ninety-five percent of prisoners professed their innocence.

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"I just want to come home and I want to be with my family. This will be my second chance in life and I'm not wasting it," Ms L'Aiguille said.

She’s not coming home.

bambu wrote:
"I'm never coming back here again. I need my family and I'm starting fresh."

She ought never to have been “coming… here” smuggling illegal drugs in the first place.

bambu wrote:
Her boyfriend was a Black African man.
Why didn't the cops arrest him and the guy with him?

Is this a case of "Get the White Australian"?

“Her boyfriend” is “Black”, an ethnicity, “African”, from a specific continent, and a “man”, a gender. She is “White”, an ethnicity, “Australian”, from a specific continent, and a woman, a gender. Both are illegal drug smugglers, a vocation the practice in Malaysia of which has put her where she is.

This song’s for her.

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Estranged from her family, she went to Malaysia to find friends...which is rather said in itself.
And all she found was trouble.
Maybe she knew about the drugs, which weren't hers, maybe not.
Maybe she knew what her new boyfriend was, maybe not.
Not a drug smuggler, but a lonely woman looking for friendship and love.

'Bridget Jones' and her girlfriend spring to mind...conned by her girlfriend's new boyfriend drug smuggler while on vacation in Thailand, 'Bridget' is tossed in prison.
Unfortunately for Emma her boyfriend is not 'Mr Darcy' a human rights lawyer who can contact MI5 and wake cabinet ministers to save her.

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bambu wrote:
Estranged from her family, she went to Malaysia to find friends...which is rather said in itself.

She found drugs and drug smuggling in Malaysia, the consequences of which she owns.

bambu wrote:
And all she found was trouble.

When one chooses to find drugs and drug smuggling in Malaysia, one chooses to find trouble in Malaysia.

bambu wrote:
Maybe she knew about the drugs, which weren't hers, maybe not.

She knew about the drugs. She knew about the consequences of knowing about the drugs.

bambu wrote:
Maybe she knew what her new boyfriend was, maybe not.

She knew what her boyfriend was. She knew what the consequences were.

bambu wrote:
Not a drug smuggler, but a lonely woman looking for friendship and love.

A lonely woman looking for friendship and love that found drug smuggling and has found herself behind the eight ball.

Insofar as her choice of a boyfriend is concerned, this song’s for her.

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She knew what her boyfriend was. She knew what the consequences were.


That's yet to be established.
It's also yet to be established if she even knew anything about the drugs.
She could be going to tell all to the cops, tell all about the movements, lifestyle, and friends or business partners of her boyfriend.

She might be coming home.

A song for Emma, a Christian gospel song...sung in the video by the 19th Amendment suffragist ladies in the workhouse prison in Virginia, also jailed unjustly...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ6f9cBy1Qc
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bambu wrote:
RockOnBrother wrote:
She knew what her boyfriend was. She knew what the consequences were.
That's yet to be established.
It's also yet to be established if she even knew anything about the drugs.

Might I interest you in some prime beachfront property with an excellent panoramic view of the Pacific Ocean, available for a reasonable price, located on twenty acres in beautiful eastern Montana?

bambu wrote:
She could be going to tell all to the cops, tell all about the movements, lifestyle, and friends or business partners of her boyfriend.

Of course she could “tell all to the cops, tell all about the movements, lifestyle, and friends or business partners of her boyfriend.” It was also her drug smuggling business.

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She might be coming home.

If so, she needs to stay squeaky clean for the remainder of her life.
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Post by oftenwrong on Sat Oct 20, 2012 9:59 am

The topic is deadly serious, but it is nevertheless amusing to watch the contortions of the bleeding hearts who distort reality to conform with their "White Knight" perception of themselves.

A frequent scenario is that the condemned person will eventually be released back into the hands of their government in return for a rather attractive commercial concession quietly agreed in private.
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oftenwrong wrote:The topic is deadly serious, but it is nevertheless amusing to watch the contortions of the bleeding hearts who distort reality to conform with their "White Knight" perception of themselves.

A frequent scenario is that the condemned person will eventually be released back into the hands of their government in return for a rather attractive commercial concession quietly agreed in private.

Or hanged, as the other three Aussies before these two were, in Malaysia....and Aussie Nguyen was in Singapore in the 1990's.
Virtual begging from the Australian govt, and even by the Pope failed to save all of them from the gallows.
All that could be done was for former PM Bob Hawke to call Malaysia 'barbaric' for hanging Barlow and Chambers, and the People to hate Malaysia.

It's now 2012, and time for any human rights wasteland nations to be held accountable for their actions, and made pay for their execution-homiciding of human beings.
Japan, for example, which stands condemned.

http://www.amnestyusa.org/news/press-releases/amnesty-international-urges-japan-to-halt-executions

(Washington, D.C.) -- Amnesty International condemns the new wave of executions in Japan, which increased after two death row inmates were hanged on Thursday. One inmate was the first woman to be executed in over 15 years. The human rights organization calls for an immediate moratorium on the killings.

“The executions of Matsuda and Eto are acts of premeditated, cold-blooded killing by the Japanese state,” said Roseann Rife, director of Asia at Amnesty International.


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Cult leader Sachiko Eto hanged for six murders in Japan
AP
Thursday 27 September 2012

Japan executed two people today, including a 65-year old woman cult leader convicted of six murders that took place during supposed exorcisms.

The Justice Ministry said 65-year-old Sachiko Eto [was] executed by hanging.

Eto turned to faith healing after she and her husband joined a cult, according to Japanese media reports. She and two accomplices, including her daughter, were convicted of beating their victims to drive out "demons" and then hiding their bodies at her home.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/cult-leader-sachiko-eto-hanged-for-six-murders-in-japan-8181814.html

Japan is a better country without Sachiko Eto. The earth is a better planet without Sachiko Eto.

Cult leader Sachiko Eto hanged for six murders in Japan
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Thursday 27 September 2012

Japan executed two people today…

The Justice Ministry said… 39-year-old Yukinori Matsuda [was] executed by hanging. Matsuda was convicted of killing two people during a robbery in 2003.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/cult-leader-sachiko-eto-hanged-for-six-murders-in-japan-8181814.html

Japan is a better country without Yukinori Matsuda. The earth is a better planet without Yukinori Matsuda.
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You'd think Japan would've had enough of premeditated, cold-blooded killings of human beings in death chambers by now...obviously not.
The earth would be a far better place if Japan etc abolished their death chambers and stopped execution- homiciding human beings....just as Amnesty says.

Malaysia can execution-homicide Emma and Dominic, no one can stop them.
Indonesia can execution-homicide ['homicide' goes on
execution death certificates in America] Andrew and Myuran, no one can stop them.

All any Aussies offended can do is preach forth hatred of Malaysia and Indonesia, boycott all things Malaysian and Indonesian, and hope "social media explodes in outrage".
That's ok, because hatred of Australia would've been preached/acted by them by killing our children.

...and sing Christian hymns and songs of 'war' and 'revenge';

The up tempo version of The Battle Hymn of The Republic, for example.

I have seen Him in the watch fires of a hundred circling camps
They have builded Him an altar in the evening dews and damps;
I can read His righteous sentence by the dim and flaring lamps;
His day is marching on.
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! His day is marching on.

I have read a fiery Gospel writ in burnished rows of steel;
“As ye deal with My contemners, so with you My grace shall deal”;
Let the Hero, born of woman, crush the serpent with His heel,
Since God is marching on.
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! Since God is marching on.

He has sounded forth the trumpet that shall never call retreat;
He is sifting out the hearts of men before His judgment seat;
Oh, be swift, my soul, to answer Him! be jubilant, my feet;
Our God is marching on.
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! Our God is marching on.



Killing Australia's children is an attack on Australia.
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You'd think Japan would've had enough of premeditated, cold-blooded killings of human beings in death chambers by now...obviously not.

Evidently Japan has “had enough of premeditated, cold-blooded killings of human beings”, as Japan has acted upon having “had enough of premeditated, cold-blooded killings of human beings” by eliminating from its population two cold-blooded, premeditated murderers of six innocent human beings whose names you’ve failed to mention, whose cold-blooded, premeditated exterminations you’ve failed to mourn, and for whose families you’ve failed to empathize or sympathize.

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Killing Australia's children is an attack on Australia.

Executing illegal drug smugglers who smuggle illegal drugs into Malaysia is Malaysia’s prerogative. “If you dance to the music, you got to pay to the piper.”
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...murderers of six innocent human beings whose names you’ve failed to mention, whose cold-blooded, premeditated exterminations you’ve failed to mourn, and for whose families you’ve failed to empathize or sympathize.

Thought you would've taken that as a given.

All Japan did was become the same as the killers.
It should be ashamed.


Executing illegal drug smugglers who smuggle illegal drugs into Malaysia is Malaysia’s prerogative.

It is, and like I said, no one can stop Malaysia from doing so.
Singing hymns and songs, and doing war dances of outrage, revulsion, total dislike, and revenge of Malaysia is also the right of any Aussies offended.
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So at least one Aussie has been convinced by the actions of the Malaysian Government that they mean business where drug-smuggling is concerned.
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bambu wrote:Thought you would've taken that as a given.

I “take as a given” that which posters choose to clearly state. You have clearly stated no shock, horror, disgust, or revulsion about the cold-blooded, premeditated murders of six innocent human beings whose names you’ve failed to mention, whose cold-blooded, premeditated exterminations you’ve failed to mourn, and for whose families you’ve failed to empathize or sympathize.

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All Japan did was become the same as the killers.

Japan did not exterminate six innocent human souls; Japan executed two guilty exterminators of six innocent human souls. If you choose to equating the righteous removal of bestial murderers from amongst decent humans to cold-blood, premeditated extermination of six innocent human souls whose names you’ve failed to mention, whose cold-blooded, premeditated exterminations you’ve failed to mourn, and for whose families you’ve failed to empathize or sympathize, then, given that you are created by your Creator into freedom of choice, you are free to so choose.

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It should be ashamed.

Japan should be mourning for six innocent human souls whose names you’ve failed to mention, whose cold-blooded, premeditated exterminations you’ve failed to mourn, and for whose families you’ve failed to empathize or sympathize

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Executing illegal drug smugglers who smuggle illegal drugs into Malaysia is Malaysia’s prerogative.
It is, and like I said, no one can stop Malaysia from doing so.
Singing hymns and songs, and doing war dances of outrage, revulsion, total dislike, and revenge of Malaysia is also the right of any Aussies offended.

Perhaps your time and energy might be better invested in educating young foolish Aussies about the costs of foolishly choosing to smuggle drugs into Malaysia.
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Drug smugglers are mass murderers. Malaysia, Indonesia, and Singapore have chosen to diminish mass murder within their sovereign jurisdictions by eliminating from their sovereign jurisdictions a certain identifiable segment of mass murderers.
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Drug smugglers are mass murderers. Malaysia, Indonesia, and Singapore have chosen to diminish mass murder within their sovereign jurisdictions by eliminating from their sovereign jurisdictions a certain identifiable segment of mass murderers.

More like the 'victims' 'knock on the drug dealers' doors', buy the illegal drugs, and consume willingly the illegal drugs, and then die.
Whose fault is that?
Their own...'personal responsibility'.
Certainly as much their own fault as that of the drug dealers.

A perfect example;

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2007/02/20/1171733723767.html

Annabel's deadly drug mistake

Annabel Catt ... died after taking drugs.
Photo: Courtesy Channel Seven

Annabel Catt, 20, a dance teacher and former vice-captain of Narrabeen Sports High School, died after being taken to hospital before dawn on Sunday.

She had gone to a house in Warriewood after the Good Vibrations festival at Centennial Park on Saturday.

Medical officers were told Ms Catt, who was showing signs of respiratory distress, had taken MDMA, commonly known as ecstasy.



http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2007/s2051240.htm

As the music blared out from the festival in Sydney's Centennial Park, a group of friends sat down in a circle on the grass outside.

(sound of dance music)

They were about to head in, but first they had to distribute the drugs that they'd organised.
There were four young women, including now 21-year-old Bodene Sheed, and 20-year-old Annabel Catt, who would die later that night.

Sheed had collected from her boyfriend six ecstasy tablets and six caps of MDMA - a powder form of ecstasy.
She passed a plastic bag with the drugs to one of the group, who wasn't Annabel Catt, and they were handed out and then the women went in.

Her friend Bodene Sheed was the one who provided the drug, and this afternoon Sheed was sentenced to 120 hours of community service.

The Catt family sees both girls as victims of a young generation's drug-taking culture.








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