Are Cameron and Osborne's days numbered?

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We seem to have had a thread about Milliband and time running out for his leadership but now there seem to be more and more knives coming out for Vatman and Dobbing, I'll let you decide who is who?

It now seems more and more of their own side (Tory MP's) are openly speaking out against them........

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Nadine Dorries: David Cameron And George Osborne Are 'Arrogant Posh Boys'


David Cameron and George Osborne are "arrogant posh boys" who do not understand the lives of ordinary people, according to Tory MP Nadine Dorries.

Speaking on the BBC's Daily Politics programme on Monday, the MP for Mid-Bedfordshire was asked if she thought the prime minister and chancellor were out of touch with voters.

"Unfortunately I think that not are only Cameron and Osborne two posh boys who don't understand the price of milk," she said. "They are too arrogant posh boys who show no remorse, no contrition and no passion to want to understand the lives of others - and that is their real crime."
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/04/23/nadine-dorries-david-cameron-posh-boys_n_1445068.html?ref=uk-politics&ref=uk

Recession" is a convenient excuse offered by the minority Tory party governing with the connivance of quisling Lib-Dems to revive Thatcherite dogma.

Recession is a financial consequence of global supply and demand, if you have no surplus for a rainy day then cutbacks in all social services are inevitable. If Labour had saved some money then no cuts would be necessary and cuts could not be justified.

Reconcile if you can increased Government spending this year with the repeated assertions of the Chancellor that "there is no money.".

I think you mean increased borrowing, without the cuts the cost of increased borrowing would turn this nation into Greece.

Has a chimp ever been Governor of the Bank of England...?

Tosh wrote:

We need to create a demand by borrowing at the very low rates that are available to us at present to build our infrastructure. Cuts/ severe austerity measures will get us nowhere except to implement Tory ideology to make the poor poorer and the rich richer. End of..

There was a decade long boom in the building industry and the underclass still remained unemployable, and the banks still ran the country.

Labour were planning severe austerity measures, low interest rates create debt not demand, we cannot just keep borrowing money to create jobs that there is no real demand for.

What Labour where planning was Austerity but over TWO terms of Parliament not the rush the Tories used, and if your trying to say that Labour would have used the same methods as the Tories "YOU ARE DEAD WRONG".

I wonder what the first gulf war, Labours spending on the NHS has got to do with the future of Cameron and Osbourne?

Tosh you ask why Labour didn't :-

Why did Blair and Brown not use the billions of taxes from banking to increase manufacturing, solve the housing crisis and prevent the housing bubble, balance the economy and reduce the long term unemployed ?

Surely all those entrepreneurs, which this government seems so keen to help with tax cuts, are the one's who are supposed to increase manufacturing not the government remember thank's to the the Tory governments from 1979 to 1997 there are no government owned manufacturing industries.......

astradt1 wrote:I wonder what the first gulf war, Labours spending on the NHS has got to do with the future of Cameron and Osbourne?

Tosh you ask why Labour didn't :-

Why did Blair and Brown not use the billions of taxes from banking to increase manufacturing, solve the housing crisis and prevent the housing bubble, balance the economy and reduce the long term unemployed ?

Surely all those entrepreneurs, which this government seems so keen to help with tax cuts, are the one's who are supposed to increase manufacturing not the government remember thank's to the the Tory governments from 1979 to 1997 there are no government owned manufacturing industries.......

Hi astradt1
That was because the Maggot made sure all gov't industries failed thanks to the Maggot herself. I was watching the Wright stuff today on channel 5 some book shop inside the TUC conference was selling packs of party nic nacs to celebrate the death of the Maggot, after todays disclosures about Hillsborough they better get more supplies in because they sold out in two days.

"...selling packs of party nic nacs to celebrate the death of the Maggot,..."

At this rate, when the 'event' arrives, it could be bigger than the Olympics and Paralympics put together in terms of sheer celebratory potential. Any volunteers to be 'Funeral Makers' to 'high-five' the 'mourners'...?

What Labour where planning was Austerity but over TWO terms of Parliament not the rush the Tories used, and if your trying to say that Labour would have used the same methods as the Tories "YOU ARE DEAD WRONG"..

Yep, it was called the Greek plan, how are they doing by the way ?

Our national and private debt was the highest in the developed world, prior to the banking crisis.

The IMF would have crippled our bonds and our borrowing rates would be off the chart, this is what happens when your major revenue stream implodes, the market slumps and you have already borrowed more than you earn.

The IMF is the biggest threat to democracy, I suggest in future we do not allow ourselves to be ransomned into severe cutbacks, I am a realist not a Conservative.

Surely all those entrepreneurs, which this government seems so keen to help with tax cuts, are the one's who are supposed to increase manufacturing not the government remember thank's to the the Tory governments from 1979 to 1997 there are no government owned manufacturing industries.......

German entrepreneurs are incentivised into investing in certain directions, manufacturing just being one of them, the government is supposed to be directig our economy not owning it.
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That was because the Maggot made sure all gov't industries failed thanks to the Maggot herself..

I have bad news for you, Thatcher didn't have to make them fail, I dealt with most of them, they operated at about one third of the productivity and efficiency levels of private manufacturers. Her diagnosis was spot on, it was her treatment that was wrong, a treatment that was continued under Mr Blair.

Industrial relations in this country were crippled by class and political divisons, if you have institutionalized bad management and institutionalized bad unions all working for the state, then you have a loss making instituion......forever.

Pride goes before a fall.

The actual Bible verse (King James version) is "Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall." It means that the next step after being all puffed up with arrogance could be falling flat on your face. Well, according to what I know, 'Pride comes before a fall' means that one becomes over confident and stops thinking sensibly when success goes to one's head and which is a sure indication of the fact that that person is bound to suffer or face disappointment because of the wrong decisions that he or she might make. In other words too much arrogance and self pride are sure to bring bad and disappointing results. This idiom is also given as an example to prove that when a person is destined to fail or fall, which is decided by the almighty God, then no one can stop that person from taking the wrong step and making a wrong decision, despite the fact that apparently that person is not expected to do such a thing under normal conditions.

There is also the possibility that it means 'exactly' what it says, "Pride goeth, before the fall". The moment you lose pride in "whatever", it shows that you are on the way "down boy"....

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_'Pride_comes_before_the_fall'_mean#ixzz26JXayRGN

"please do not portray her as the devil incarnate in relation to Iraq's invasion of Kuwait."

Come off it Tosh, she was a war monger and you know it. Dont try to convince me otherwise please.

Tosh wrote:

She initiated that war and Major did not finish the job thoroughly.

Iraq invaded Kuwait, are you on crack ?

I normally rather enjoy one-liners, but that is reductio ad absurdem given the complexity of the two "Saddam" wars.

Now that's sorted perhaps we can move on to debate the title subject here-

Re: Are Cameron and Osborne's days numbered?

Re: Are Cameron and Osborne's days numbered?.

I hope not, their continued presence ensures Scottish Independance.

Come off it Tosh, she was a war monger and you know it. Dont try to convince me otherwise please.

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It is a coin toss between Thatcher and the Falklands, and Blair and Iraq.

I normally rather enjoy one-liners, but that is reductio ad absurdem given the complexity of the two "Saddam" wars..

I am not discussing the 2nd war only the first, to suggest Thatcher had any special influence on the UN security councils response to the invasion of Kuwat is absurd. Any historian will confirm the two main influences in this whole affair were America and Saudi Arabia, Thatcher and Britain were political, financial and military bit players.

There is nothing complex about Middle Eastern foreign policy, it revolves around Saudi Arabia and Israel.

Tosh wrote:

Re: Are Cameron and Osborne's days numbered?.

I hope not, their continued presence ensures Scottish Independance.

So you would like to see a Scotland worse off than it is at the moment, yes this Tory shower of A**E Holes we are suffering under but Salmond would be just as bad if not worse.

So you would like to see a Scotland worse off than it is at the moment, yes this Tory shower of A**E Holes we are suffering under but Salmond would be just as bad if not worse.

The evidence of Salmond's governance contradicts your doom laden prophecy, our NHS is in safe hands, as are our social safety nets and supports.

The Scots have had enough of London-centric policies that mirrror the social Darwinism of our cousins from across the pond, No Americana for us.

"The Scots have had enough of London-centric policies that mirrror the social Darwinism of our cousins from across the pond, No Americana for us."

Good for you and the Scots, although my worry for you is that you may not be able to swim alone for very long.

Just finalise on the off thread subject Tosh, this rather squashes your "absurd" notion re Thatcher--

Many commentators at the time of the first Gulf War in 1991 voiced the opinion that it was her determination that gave President Bush the push that he needed to declare war on Iraq after Saddam Hussein’s invasion of Kuwait. Her own words in an interview with PBS’ Frontline would seem to support that conviction.

If further evidence of her influence were needed, Mrs. Thatcher’s account of a phone conversation with President George H.W. Bush is famous for its “no time to go wobbly” admonition.

Good for you and the Scots, although my worry for you is that you may not be able to swim alone for very long..

We are not worried, freedom and social altruism are worth the risk and the price.

Many commentators at the time of the first Gulf War in 1991 voiced the opinion that it was her determination that gave President Bush the push that he needed to declare war on Iraq after Saddam Hussein’s invasion of Kuwait.

I have never understood why Brits think they can influence America into doing anything they do not want to do, there is just no historical basis for it.

Kuwait was a stepping stone to Saudi Arabia, the major supplier of oil to America in the region, neither the Americans nor the Saudis were going to let this stand, Saudi Arabia picked up 60% of the cost of the war, I suggest they were a far bigger influence than Thatcher.

Anyway she will be dead soon, no point in harping on about the past.

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"Anyway she will be dead soon, no point in harping on about the past."

Hell is awaiting!!!!
Do I detect a climedown here Tosh? For someone who does not wish to discuss the "past" you take the biscuit.

Do I detect a climedown here Tosh? For someone who does not wish to discuss the "past" you take the biscuit.

Establishing facts in politics is an exercise in futility, at the end of the day good ideas last longer than bad ideas, meme evolution as against gene evolution. I do not consider capitalism to be a disease nor socialism the cure, the remedy is somewhere in the middle and probably speaks German or Swedish. Thatcher did some good and some bad, it depends on ones personal perspective, I noticed Labour repealed few if any of her laws and policies.

Stay sceptical and distrust all politicians, especially the ideologues, they are lying the most. I find it hard to remain passionate about politics, my cynicism of human nature has curbed my enthusiasm.

Some people have every cause to hate Thatcher and some to thank her, I am ambivalent, we all make mistakes for what we believe to be the right reasons.

I watched a recent documentary on the large numbers of Russians who were unable to cope with individual responsibility, there was something almost sub-human about their dependancy on others to make decisions. It reminded me a bit of religion, I oppose any system that wants to replace my individuality with doctrine or dogma.

As I said there is a balance to be found somewhere between individual rights and social responsibilities.

Mel wrote:"The Scots have had enough of London-centric policies that mirrror the social Darwinism of our cousins from across the pond, No Americana for us."

Good for you and the Scots, although my worry for you is that you may not be able to swim alone for very long.

Mel I think that Tosh talks a lot of Tosh, I live in Scotland and have the right to vote in the referendum and if by some rotten chance Scotland votes to be separated from the UK I will be moving too England so I'm hoping that one of my friends has a spare room.

Tosh wrote:

Good for you and the Scots, although my worry for you is that you may not be able to swim alone for very long..

We are not worried, freedom and social altruism are worth the risk and the price.

If Salmond REALLY wanted Scotland to vote yes in the up-coming referendum he would of given the people of Scotland the FULL picture of how it would be if they voted yes in Autumn 2014, instead of just coming out with the referendum. As far as I'm concerned until I get the FULL picture of how Scotland will manage on her own I will be voting NO, you sound as though you are an SNP activist who is not doing a very good job you are too bias in SNP Ideology.

Mel I think that Tosh talks a lot of Tosh,

If you prefer to live in England rather than an independant Scotland then you are not Scottish, simple really.

Now toddle off before my Scottish intellect humiliates you.

If Salmond REALLY wanted Scotland to vote yes in the up-coming referendum he would of given the people of Scotland the FULL picture of how it would be if they voted yes in Autumn 2014, instead of just coming out with the referendum. As far as I'm concerned until I get the FULL picture of how Scotland will manage on her own I will be voting NO, you sound as though you are an SNP activist who is not doing a very good job you are too bias in SNP Ideology.

How it would be if we were independant ?

Independant is how it would be, just like every other independant country on planet earth.

The day Labour insulted our intelligence by appointing a cretin like Jack McConnel as our glorious leader was the day we realised Labour was just another Westminster gravy train.

you sound as though you are an SNP activist who is not doing a very good job you are too bias in SNP Ideology.

Is this in some kind of code ? I have tried reading it backwards, upside down and with my underpants on my head, and its still gibberish. maybe picture thinking is your strong point.

I'm curious to know what aspect of the "Scotttish Intellect" requires three postings to be made in succession, rather than an articulated single expression of opinion. "Net etiquette", which bothers the Americans more than it concerns us, apparently holds that another posting on the same topic would normally follow response from another correspondent. Or am I just being picky again?

What the phuk has all this got to do wiv Herr Cameron and the devils spawn Osborne.

Or am I just being picky again? .

As rebuttals go I would say more anal than picky.

What the phuk has all this got to do wiv Herr Cameron and the devils spawn Osborne..

Never heard of them, are you a Christian by any chance ?

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" Barman ! Anusher bottle of Scottish Intellect pleesh....hic..."

At least you have a sense of humour.

"Establishing facts in politics is an exercise in futility"

Same applies to religion and yet you persue the subject to the enth degree.

Note I have edited some of your unnecessary use of abusive comments in some of your postings Tosh. Please refrain from doing so again.
Thank you.

Mel, any chance of you editing this unnecessary abusive comment from a poster I was not even addressing, it would a least show some consistency.

Mel I think that Tosh talks a lot of Tosh,

Please refrain from moderating with obvious bias, it gets right up my nose.

Thank you.

Same applies to religion and yet you persue the subject to the enth degree.

Nope, religion makes scientific claims that can be empirically proven true or false.

Tosh wrote:

Re: Are Cameron and Osborne's days numbered?.

I hope not, their continued presence ensures Scottish Independance.

Do not be so cock sure that Scots will vote yes we are pretty savvy in Scotland and will not jump from the frying pan into the fire, at the moment the polls are against the SNP getting a majority.

As for the monetary system IF we are still in the EU after the referendum we have to take the Euro and that was created for the benefit of Germany ONLY, and if you think that Scam..er..on and Osbourn will allow us to use the pound IF the SNP get a yes you have backed the wrong horse. they will be spitting feathers that Scotland went Independent on there watch they will make sure that Scotland pays through the nose for Embarrassing and Humiliating them, so be very careful what you wish for.

Well then Tosh, if you keep your nose clean and behave yourself, then I shall not be inconvienienced in having to pull you up.

In your case I had given you a little rope before this episode, as I do with any other poster. You unfortunately by your own doing ran out of rope.