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Is it time to shoot Cameron's Fox?

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Is it time to shoot Cameron's Fox?

Post by Ivan on Sat Oct 08, 2011 1:46 pm

Cameron says he has "full confidence" in Defence Secretary Liam Fox, after new revelations about his close friend and self-styled adviser Adam Werritty.

Werritty brokered a meeting in Dubai in June between Fox and a defence company keen to sell communications encryption technology to the Defence Secretary and possibly on to the Libyan rebels.

Werritty ran a controversial charity from inside Fox's office in the Houses of Parliament. He used it as the official headquarters of a right-wing charity, the Atlantic Bridge, which works in conjunction with a major US business lobby group. The office was provided at taxpayers' expense.

Werritty has made 14 visits to the Ministry of Defence over 16 months, despite not being employed by the government.

Werritty has stayed in the Fox’s tax-funded London flat rent free. He is also said to have used that address when setting up a defence consultancy firm.

A second Commons business card stating that Werritty worked for the MP has been uncovered, despite him not being on any official payroll.

Why hasn’t Fox been sacked?

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Re: Is it time to shoot Cameron's Fox?

Post by astradt1 on Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:04 pm

Camoron will keep him there as this story will deflect attention from the rest of this governments failings.

He can always be thrown out at a later date........
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Re: Is it time to shoot Cameron's Fox?

Post by Phil Hornby on Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:44 pm

Is it a case of 'The quick brown-hatter, Fox, jumps over the lazy dogsbody...' ? Shocked
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Post by oftenwrong on Sat Oct 08, 2011 3:00 pm

The Leopard doesn't change its spots. The Tory government was sunk with all hands in 1997 following years in power that brought them to believe they could do as they pleased, and get away with anything. Old habits never entirely disappear, and now they again believe that nobody dares to challenge them in their behaviour.

But the times have changed, and Dr. Fox may need to remember where he left his stethoscope.
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Post by keenobserver1 on Sat Oct 08, 2011 3:10 pm

This time next week Fox will be looking for a new job!
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is it time to shoot Camerons Fox?

Post by bobby on Sat Oct 08, 2011 3:37 pm

"Downing Street later confirmed that the Prime Minister has "full confidence" in the Defence Secretary."

That surely must be the Kiss of death, the question is "for Who". Let us not forget we heard exactly the same phrase about the alledged phone hacking editor and Herr Camerons personal friend, A Coulson.
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Post by bobby on Sat Oct 08, 2011 3:39 pm

keenobserver1 wrote:This time next week Fox will be looking for a new job!

We can but hope KO.
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Re: Is it time to shoot Cameron's Fox?

Post by bobby on Sat Oct 08, 2011 3:41 pm

oftenwrong wrote:The Leopard doesn't change its spots. The Tory government was sunk with all hands in 1997 following years in power that brought them to believe they could do as they pleased, and get away with anything. Old habits never entirely disappear, and now they again believe that nobody dares to challenge them in their behaviour.

But the times have changed, and Dr. Fox may need to remember where he left his stethoscope.

Is this not a good time to bring back the prommised Fox Hunting
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Post by Phil Hornby on Sat Oct 08, 2011 5:38 pm

One wonders if William Hague is feeling just a little uneasy this weekend, awaiting the outcome of the Fox investigations...after all, this talk of 'rogue' advisers might bring back some uncomfortable memories... Rolling Eyes
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Re: Is it time to shoot Cameron's Fox?

Post by astra on Sat Oct 08, 2011 6:31 pm

ERK!!
Deja vou or wotever!!
Mrs A. just switched on telly and who is on?? Fancy a Currie Edwina!!

Now could this be a portent of things to come?? Question Suspect


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Post by Phil Hornby on Sat Oct 08, 2011 9:17 pm

Report on Dr L. Fox ( urgent for the PM : Monday morning )

I have been asked to carry out a thorough investigation on the completely baseless allegations about Liam and, given the short timescale, I am grateful to the Prime Minister for having already let me know what it must say.

Accordingly, I can confirm that Dr Fox is a jolly good chap and that his chum was never with him on any trip abroad and that any photograph which suggests otherwise is a malicious fake issued by Ed Miliband and Jim Murphy . We can all have the greatest degree of confidence in Foxy ( as Mr Werritty says he likes to be called ) and he is guilty of no more than having been caught out telling less than the truth and trying to mimic Mr Hague ( see other secret report that nobody has found out about).

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Re: Is it time to shoot Cameron's Fox?

Post by Ivan on Sun Oct 09, 2011 2:46 pm

What the papers are saying about Fox:-
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Re: Is it time to shoot Cameron's Fox?

Post by keenobserver1 on Sun Oct 09, 2011 5:35 pm

Looking at the way things are going for Mr Fox, the earlier prediction can now be revised down to Tuesday morning.

This was due to an avalanche of attacks in todays media.

Bloody weather again! Shocked
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Re: Is it time to shoot Cameron's Fox?

Post by Phil Hornby on Sun Oct 09, 2011 8:00 pm

Conservative Central Office Memorandum to Constituencies

Ref Dr Liam Fox - the Entirely Innocent Secretary of State

You will all have heard that the Prime Minister has a very difficult decision to make in the coming days regarding all the issues which have emerged and we have not been able to cover up about Dr Fox.

Mr Cameron has decided that Dr Fox is entirely blameless and has ensured that the fully-independent report that some jumped-up Civil Servants are preparing will say the same, if they value their careers. He has come to this conclusion on the basis that the Party cannot afford to lose a politician who is so so skilled in circumventing a sleazy set of circumstances - a quality which is a sterling example to all of us who are similarly mired in all sorts of goings-on, but hope to get away with it.

It can be anticipated that the investigation will find that the whole sordid business is not at all sordid and that even if it was, it is completely the fault of that Werritty fellow who secreted himself in all those meetings , totally out of sight of poor wronged Dr Fox.

Oh yes, almost forgot - Miliband and Murphy are responsible for the propagation of the smears and need to understand that such political opportunism is the province of us Conservatives in Opposition, since we are so much better and well-practised at it.

Finally don't forget to order your Christmas Raffle Tickets . This year's charity is the Residential Home for ex-Advisers to Secretaries of State.

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Re: Is it time to shoot Cameron's Fox?

Post by keenobserver1 on Sun Oct 09, 2011 8:43 pm

Is this unofficial adviser role(flatmate) thing not more common than we all realise? study
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Re: Is it time to shoot Cameron's Fox?

Post by oftenwrong on Sun Oct 09, 2011 10:23 pm

The key question is apparently "Who pays the rent?"
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Re: Is it time to shoot Cameron's Fox?

Post by astradt1 on Sun Oct 09, 2011 11:29 pm

Tomorrows Guardian has the following story.......

Political lobbyists were paid thousands of pounds to help a Dubai-based businessman arrange a secretive meeting with Liam Fox, which the defence secretary claims came about only after a chance meeting in a restaurant.

Invoices seen by the Guardian show that Harvey Boulter, the private equity boss at the heart of the growing controversy engulfing Fox, was paying £10,000 a month to lobbyists for help that included brokering the meeting with Fox through Adam Werritty, who claimed to be an "adviser to the Rt Hon Dr Fox MP".

Telegraph goes with.......

Liam Fox used expenses to pay his best man Adam Werritty
Liam Fox, the Defence Secretary, put a close friend with “defence-related business interests” on the public payroll, The Daily Telegraph can disclose.

Not only should he lose his post at the MOD he should also lose his post as a MP........
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is it time to shoot Camerons Fox?

Post by bobby on Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:53 am

Foxes Statement "Nevertheless, I do accept that given Mr Werritty's defence related business interests, my frequent contacts with him may have given an impression of wrongdoing, and may also have given third parties the misleading impression that Mr Werritty was an official adviser rather than simply a friend."

How can the Minister of Deffence Liam Fox, expect us to believe any of the above, its like bringing a Lion to a dinner table, saying he's not there to eat. IMHO it seems obvious to me that his bestest buddy Werrity was present at meetings in order to have a head start in any arms deals in the offing. Deffence Liam Fox was doing for Werrity what Maggie did for her Son Mark. And of course when Minister of Deffence Liam Fox gets booted from office, either now or come next election, there will be a lucrative arms buisiness for Minister of Deffense Liam Fox to fall strait in to.
Doctor one minute, peddler of death the next. What a Geezer.
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Post by astradt1 on Mon Oct 10, 2011 12:19 pm

Just been watching Chris Grayling, on BBC Daily Politics, wriggle out of trying to answer questions about who pays Werritty, who was Executive Director of the now defunct Alantic Bridge 'Charity'

Mr Grayling was:-

The charity is dominated by senior Tories in David Cameron’s Cabinet and Margaret Thatcher is its patron. Its chairman and founder is Liam Fox, and it boasts four other senior cabinet members on its advisory council. These are George Osborne, the chancellor; William Hague, the foreign secretary; Chris Grayling and Michael Gove.

Source:-PJC Journal – IanPJ on Politics

Grayling, in trying to defend his and Fox'e position, brought up Blunkett.........He looked very uncomfortable and not very well briefed..........
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Post by tlttf on Mon Oct 10, 2011 12:27 pm

Just been watching it myself asradt1, what a shifty position Grayling took. It looks like Fox is going to have to go and I suspect Grayling needs to watch out as well. Still they're politicians so nobody expects anything from them anymore. It doesn't matter which party they're from. Sack the lot of them and vote for an independent.

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Re: Is it time to shoot Cameron's Fox?

Post by astradt1 on Mon Oct 10, 2011 12:52 pm

Camoron must be very worried at the moment......If he criticises Fox for his 'friendship' with Werritty, Fox could counter with Camorons friendship with one R Brooks and her boss Murdoch.....After all he taken Coulson in to his employment, even after 'falling on his sword' over the NoW Hacking scandal...

He also has to watch his back now that Tessa May has nailed her Kitten Heels to the mast as a potential future leader of the Party..........

Is this why Camoron has wheeled out his 'Crack Down on Immigration', Tory weapon of last resort, TODAY???????
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Re: Is it time to shoot Cameron's Fox?

Post by Phil Hornby on Mon Oct 10, 2011 7:47 pm

The Tories must have been very worried indeed to have lined up so many fawning backslappers in the Commons this afternoon and primed them to bray so loudly in support of Fox.

The Labour attack was not effective. They simply must get far more practice at being as thoroughly nasty and ruthless as their Tory opponents in pursuit of a crook. If we imagine the positions being reversed we could anticipate the spite with which a Tory shadow minister would have hounded an alleged Labour chancer. If Labour are to make political headway in opposing the government, the Party has to learn the black arts of smear and persecution to a level which an average Conservative can display instinctively at the drop of a hat.

Cameron will not ditch Fox and the outcome will be that Tory Minsters ( and others below that level ) will feel they have carte blanche to behave as they wish with impunity. As if any of us were in any doubt... No


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Re: Is it time to shoot Cameron's Fox?

Post by oftenwrong on Mon Oct 10, 2011 7:47 pm

Why shouldn't a decent citizen give of his time and experience to assist an Officer of the Crown in the execution of his duties with no expectation of personal favour or reward?

Mr Werrity can feel proud to be British, and may even be offered a Peerage if precedent is anything to go by.
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Re: Is it time to shoot Cameron's Fox?

Post by jackthelad on Mon Oct 10, 2011 8:11 pm

Fox as done nothing that Margaret Thatcher wasn't doing, didn't she trail her son around with her on her visits to other countries. He made a lot of money out of her connections. pig
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Re: Is it time to shoot Cameron's Fox?

Post by Phil Hornby on Mon Oct 10, 2011 8:23 pm

Quote : "He also has to watch his back now that Tessa May has nailed her Kitten Heels to the mast as a potential future leader of the Party.........."

Surely not even a desperate Tory Party would be so stupid as to choose 'Catwoman' as its leader*. But Labour must be praying for it to happen...


( * Mind you, it did once select John Major...!) Shocked
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Re: Is it time to shoot Cameron's Fox?

Post by Ivan on Mon Oct 10, 2011 11:06 pm

More revelations about Fox:-
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I wonder why Fox previously got away with simply paying back over £20,000 worth of fraudulently claimed expenses, while others went to jail? Could it be that he rolls his trouser leg up at the local lodge?
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Re: Is it time to shoot Cameron's Fox?

Post by Mel on Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:53 am

Here is another feathering his nest.

Civil servants told insurers they were "pushing at an open door" over legal aid changes that would benefit the insurance industry by hundreds of millions of pounds, documents reveal.

The papers, obtained under freedom of information laws, record discussions between insurers, the NHS and government officials working under Jonathan Djanogly, the justice minister.

They show that Djanogly, who faces conflict of interest allegations over his holdings in the insurance industry, met leading insurers on 19 January.

Randeep Ramesh, Social affairs editor guardian.co.uk, Monday 10 October 2011 22.30 BST Article history
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Re: Is it time to shoot Cameron's Fox?

Post by Phil Hornby on Tue Oct 11, 2011 10:16 am

Quote : " Could it be that he rolls his trouser leg up at the local lodge?"

It may be a question of where the trousers come down! Dr Fox even went into Cabinet at Downing Street by the back door this morning... Shocked
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Post by bobby on Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:30 pm

Arctic foxes copulating

Shhhhhh Liam, Dave might hear.
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Post by Phil Hornby on Wed Oct 12, 2011 8:51 am

I see they are asking Fox now about some burglary at his house.

At least, I think they said 'burglary'... Shocked
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Post by oftenwrong on Wed Oct 12, 2011 10:46 am

Is this a good moment to list David Cameron's successes in Government?
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Post by Phil Hornby on Thu Oct 13, 2011 9:30 am

Fox : Cameron Provides an Update
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" We are still urgently preparing that report on the totally innocent Dr Fox and it should be ready by June 2013. It would have been earlier but we keep coming across people who are giving unhelpful details suggesting Liam is a crook. Once we have bought them off and covered all that up, all should be well and normal service will be resumed..."
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" Liam, darling, must we really have that Mr Werritty with us on honeymoon...?"

" Funnily enough he was asking me the same thing about you..."
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Post by Mel on Thu Oct 13, 2011 11:14 am

AC--DC Phil?????. Very Happy
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Post by bobby on Thu Oct 13, 2011 12:12 pm

Hello Mel. It looks to me as though the Fox is running towards the Hounds. If all is done properly, I cant see the creature lasting much longer, and that goes I think for the Coalition. In PMQ's yesterday you only had to look at Chopper Cleggs boat to see what he was thinking, it just remains to see if he has the courage of his convictions, or will continue as is to keep his lying gob shut for the trappings of power.
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Post by Phil Hornby on Thu Oct 13, 2011 1:50 pm

Mel wrote:AC--DC Phil?????. Very Happy

I assume that stands for 'Absolute Crap - David Cameron' Smile

bobby : a very similar thought went through my head about Clegg. He seemed anxious not to show any sign of agreement when Cameron was speaking. Not a nod; not a smile....
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Post by oftenwrong on Thu Oct 13, 2011 2:09 pm

Television pictures of debate in the House of Commons may now from time-to-time carry a thought-bubble superimposed upon Mr. Clegg and his fellow Lib-Dems ................

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" Oh, sorry - I thought you said : 'Why don't you go , for Fox's sake...' "
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Post by Ivan on Thu Oct 13, 2011 4:42 pm

This Fox story appears to be more sinister than just a little cash-grubbing.

Craig Murray was the British Ambassador to Uzbekistan from August 2002 to October 2004. These are some extracts from his blog:-

"Gus O’Donnell, Cabinet Secretary, has fixed with Cameron the lines of his investigation to allow him to whitewash Fox…..O’Donnell will announce that Werritty received no specific money for specific meetings with or introductions to Fox. But the deal between Cameron, Fox and O’Donnell is that O’Donnell will not address the much more important question of who funded Werritty and why.

The answer is that Werritty is paid by representatives of far-right US and Israeli sources to influence the British Defence Secretary. It has been discussed within the MoD whether Werritty is being – knowingly or otherwise – run as an agent of influence by the CIA or Mossad.

This has parallels to the Christine Keeler case but is much, much worse. That the British Defence Secretary holds frequent unrecorded meetings….with somebody promoting the interests of foreign powers is much, much worse than a little cash-grubbing. That the person representing the foreign powers is actually present, apparently to all as a ministerial adviser, at meetings of Fox with important representatives of foreign nations is simply appalling.

That we are being so easily misdirected to a narrow cash question – and that the media have followed that misdirection – is ludicrous."


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