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Right to Work?

Post by astradt1 on Fri Oct 14, 2011 11:58 am

Some of the Republican politicians are talking about 'Right to Work' what do they mean????

It seems some voters don't seem to like the idea! Exclamation

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Re: Right to Work?

Post by GreatNPowerfulOz on Fri Oct 14, 2011 3:17 pm

I refuse to comment on subject matter proffered for discussion found on a blog run by a convicted felon.

Find another source.
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Re: Right to Work?

Post by astradt1 on Fri Oct 14, 2011 4:00 pm

Strange how you commented on the one about Bachmann and the no teeth thread from the same source.............

But it's your right not to comment but I'm sure that other will....
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Re: Right to Work?

Post by GreatNPowerfulOz on Fri Oct 14, 2011 4:33 pm

I didn't notice the source link on the other thread...

seems you REALLY should find a new source besides the rhetorical ramblings of a left-wing convicted felon, now doesn't it?
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Re: Right to Work?

Post by ROB on Fri Oct 14, 2011 6:25 pm

The phrase is “right-to-work”, three words, two nouns, one preposition, a subject noun, “right”, modified by a prepositional phrase, “to work”, referring to a specific “right”, which is “to work.”

John Locke, in his Second Treatise of Civil Government, exhaustively examines and discourses upon property, identifying one’s work as one’s property, and posits that one has a non-disparagable right, a natural right given unto one by nature’s God, and thus, a Creator-endowed unalienable/inalienable right; accordingly, as one’s work is one’s property, one’s work is one’s non-disparagable right, one’s natural right given unto one by nature’s God, and one’s unalienable/inalienable right endowed unto one by one’s Creator.

Closed shop laws disparage unalienable/inalienable property rights. Period.

New Hampshire’s right-to-work opponents, by opposing the inalienable right-to-work, oppose the Second Treatise of Civil Government and the ideas, concepts and principles exposited therein, the Declaration of Independence and the ideas, concepts and principles exposited therein, and, as the Declaration of Independence is the document that ultimately established the United States of America, the establishment of the United States of America.

Texas has never allowed closed shops. Texans support the establishment of the United States of America.

Note to Oz: I don’t care about the “spin”; I care about the facts. The “spin” and the “spin-master” are inconsequential; thus, the criminal record of the “spin-master” is inconsequential.


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Re: Right to Work?

Post by astradt1 on Fri Oct 14, 2011 6:36 pm

Right so what do republican politicians mean when they talk about 'Right to Work' ?
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Re: Right to Work?

Post by ROB on Fri Oct 14, 2011 6:51 pm

astradt1 wrote:
Right so what do republican politicians mean when they talk about 'Right to Work' ?
John Locke’s exhaustive examination of and discourse upon property in his Second Treatise of Civil Government which identifies one’s work as one’s property, one’s non-disparagable, natural, Creator-endowed, unalienable/inalienable right to ownership of one’s work, one’s property, and one’s non-disparagable, natural, Creator-endowed, unalienable/inalienable right to work when, where, how, why, and as one chooses.
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Post by astradt1 on Fri Oct 14, 2011 6:56 pm

RoB do you really believe that Buchmann has read 'John Locke’s exhaustive examination of and discourse upon property in his Second Treatise of Civil Government' and is refering to this when she talk about 'right to work'?
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Re: Right to Work?

Post by ROB on Fri Oct 14, 2011 7:05 pm

astradt1 wrote:
RoB do you really believe that Buchmann has read 'John Locke’s exhaustive examination of and discourse upon property in his Second Treatise of Civil Government' and is refering to this when she talk about 'right to work'?
What I might or might no believe is inconsequential. Anyone who fancies herself/himself a (US) constitutional scholar should have read John Locke’s exhaustive examination of and discourse upon property in his Second Treatise of Civil Government and should be mentally referencing this exhaustive examination of and discourse upon property when she/he talks about right to work.
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Re: Right to Work?

Post by Shirina on Fri Oct 14, 2011 7:23 pm

"Right to Work" laws basically mean that no one who works in that state will be obligated to join a union or can freely resign from a union. However, those workers who do not join or who resign will still be under the auspices of the results of collective bargaining. For example, if the union negotiates a raise, everyone receives the same raise whether you're in the union or not. However, by resigning or not joining, you forfeit your voice and will have to accept whatever the union negotiates.
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Re: Right to Work?

Post by astradt1 on Fri Oct 14, 2011 8:23 pm

Thank you Shirina....Thats all I wanted to know, it's much the same as Britain where closed shop work places are not allowed but everyone benefits from the work of union members and their officials.

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Re: Right to Work?

Post by oftenwrong on Fri Oct 14, 2011 10:28 pm

QUOTE: Texas has never allowed closed shops.

Many people consider the Medical Profession and the Legal Profession to be a "closed shop" due to the fact that practitioners are obliged to be members of the appropriate professional body.
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Re: Right to Work?

Post by thatcher on Sun Oct 23, 2011 9:04 pm

In "right to work" states you don't have to join a union if the work place is unionized and the state jobs don't prefer union shops.  In non right to work you have to join the union whether you want to or not.  If you work for Boeing, for example, and work in Washington State, you have to join the union.  If you work for Boeing and work in S. Carolina, Texas, or Missouri you don't.  They are right to work states.
  Unless you count gov workers, only about 11% of the work force is unionize and they are usually workers in northern tier states but not always as California is highly unionized and going broke.
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Re: Right to Work?

Post by oftenwrong on Sun Oct 23, 2011 10:27 pm

The automobile construction industry recognises that it spends more on worker pensions and welfare than it does on making cars. Accordingly, agreement has been reached with the Unions that NEW workers will be taken on without most of the social commitments made previously.

But it'll still be cheaper to manufacture in Asia.
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Re: Right to Work?

Post by thatcher on Tue Oct 25, 2011 12:29 am

There are a fair amount of auto plants in the south and more to come.  VW is building a couple of plants there and Toyota is already there.  Soon the South will be building more cars than Detroit especially if General Motors continues to have such poor sales numbers.  Detroit is union and the southern states are right to work.  We are having a major population shift to the south from union states.
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Re: Right to Work?

Post by oftenwrong on Tue Oct 25, 2011 10:04 am

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Re: Right to Work?

Post by thatcher on Tue Oct 25, 2011 8:14 pm

I'm not too surprised by that.  GM products are more popular overseas than they are here where they are called Government Motors.
 In China they are not burdened by the regulatory or employee restraints they are here.
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Re: Right to Work?

Post by biglin on Sun Aug 12, 2012 12:15 am

What about the right NOT to work?

We want MORE unemployment; LESS productivity.

Let's move towards full UNEMPLOYMENT.

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Re: Right to Work?

Post by oftenwrong on Sun Aug 12, 2012 1:32 pm

How's the hangover?
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