Atheism versus God

by JP Cusick Mon Oct 21, 2013 1:56 pm

First topic message reminder :

It is Atheism against God but God is not against Atheism.

That is a one-sided sword which cuts only one way.

It is important to give a general definition of Atheism as like on Wikipedia HERE.

Atheism is a negative concept, as in saying "no" as in no God, no Deity, no conscious higher power, etc.

So just because some one hates Christianity then that is not Atheist, or hating the scary Muslims is not Atheist, as one must reject the presence or the reality of any God by any name or form.

I myself declare the real existence of the "Creator Father God" but to use other names for the "Theo or Thea" is fine with me.

My view is that Atheism is simply a form of self-righteousness, because without the judgements of a God then people get to create our own righteousness, and that appears to be the true motivation for being an Atheist.

Question

by Dan Fante Tue Nov 12, 2013 11:08 am

I can think of a more rational explanation.

by oftenwrong Tue Nov 12, 2013 11:21 am

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by oftenwrong Tue Nov 12, 2013 11:22 am

Dan Fante wrote:I can think of a more rational explanation.

Hold the front page.

by polyglide Tue Nov 12, 2013 2:09 pm

Dr Sheldon, you have not explained why my opinion on making something from nothing is wrong and that is the manner in which you reply to every post, negatively, with no foundation.

I do believe degrees can be obtained in America on the internet at little expense.

Try actually answering instead of avoiding.

by stuart torr Tue Nov 12, 2013 2:34 pm

The answer is----

by Dan Fante Tue Nov 12, 2013 3:04 pm

polyglide wrote:Dr Sheldon, you have not explained why my opinion on making something from nothing is wrong and that is the manner in which you reply to every post, negatively, with no foundation.

I do believe degrees can be obtained in America on the internet at little expense.

Try actually answering instead of avoiding.

Funnily enough the mail order PhD thing is something that a lot of creationists use in lieu of proper scientific credentials and America is usually the place where they get them from. The Institute for Creation Research being a somewhat notorious example.

by oftenwrong Tue Nov 12, 2013 5:14 pm

"Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD" was apparently a fictional character in some long-forgotten series on American daytime TV.

by Shirina Tue Nov 12, 2013 5:26 pm

oftenwrong wrote:Possibly He intended us to fight for our beliefs, Tosh. The Holy Bible is full of stories about people being "tested".

Kinda reminds me of the time when some friends put a crayfish and a praying mantis in a jar to see if they would fight.

by Shirina Tue Nov 12, 2013 5:29 pm

Dan Fante wrote:Funnily enough the mail order PhD thing is something that a lot of creationists use in lieu of proper scientific credentials and America is usually the place where they get them from. The Institute for Creation Research being a somewhat notorious example.

I was gearing up to say the same thing. My cursor was hovering over the "reply" button, had what I wanted to say all ready to go ... then I read your post. That "ththththtbbbttttt" sound you're hearing is the air being let out of my witty reposte. Very Happy

by oftenwrong Tue Nov 12, 2013 5:52 pm

In March 2008 , a number of US PhD scientists working at Max Planck were facing charges for illegal use of the title “Dr.”

According to German criminal law, the title “Dr.” is reserved only for individuals who received a doctoral degree from a European Union institution, explains Erik Kraatz, a criminal lawyer at the Free University, Berlin. Kraatz notes that the law also prohibits masquerading as a police officer, medical doctor, or professor.

Indeed, to legally use the title “Dr.” in Germany, foreign-trained scientists must request permission from their local German state government.

by Shirina Tue Nov 12, 2013 6:07 pm

oftenwrong wrote:According to German criminal law, the title “Dr.” is reserved only for individuals who received a doctoral degree from a European Union institution

Germany better watch itself with laws like that. The Nazi ideal of the "master race" wasn't THAT long ago, thus, implying that a doctorate from a non-European - i.e. non-White - nation (including the USA apparently which has the best colleges and universities in the world) probably isn't the wisest course of action.

by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD Tue Nov 12, 2013 6:22 pm

polyglide wrote:Dr Sheldon, you have not explained why my opinion on making something from nothing is wrong and that is the manner in which you reply to every post, negatively, with no foundation.

I do believe degrees can be obtained in America on the internet at little expense.

Try actually answering instead of avoiding.

Perhaps I strike you as an individual you can bamboozle with your bullshit, or bully, well then allow me to disavow you of that misconception right now. Your post was nonsense from start to finish, several posters have amply pointed out why, and you have roundly ignored them, as you always ignore and avoid my posts, so thanks for another irony overload champ. As for degrees, well I'd learn to spell and construct a sentence first if I was you, as your English is execrable.

Atheism versus God - Page 10 Irony-meter

Atheism versus God - Page 10 Irony-meter

by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD Tue Nov 12, 2013 6:23 pm

oftenwrong wrote:"Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD" was apparently a fictional character in some long-forgotten series on American daytime TV.

It's still running in the UK.

by Bellatori Tue Nov 12, 2013 6:29 pm

polyglide wrote:Dr Sheldon, you have not explained why my opinion on making something from nothing is wrong ...

Let me save him the trouble. Actually I cannot be bothered. The evidence for spontaneous creation of matter antimatter pairs is overwhelming and was predicted from Heisenberg Uncertainty principle amongst others. Too much already on the internet to bother quoting more. You could find this for yourself if you could be bothered and I just don't see why I should bother for you.

by stuart torr Tue Nov 12, 2013 6:51 pm

Plus others Bellatori !!! so many come up when you just find out on the old pc. Very Happy

by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:20 pm

Bellatori wrote:
polyglide wrote:Dr Sheldon, you have not explained why my opinion on making something from nothing is wrong ...
Let me save him the trouble. Actually I cannot be bothered. The evidence for spontaneous creation of matter antimatter pairs is overwhelming and was predicted from Heisenberg Uncertainty principle amongst others. Too much already on the internet to bother quoting more. You could find this for yourself if you could be bothered and I just don't see why I should bother for you.

Can't even remember the post he's crying about tbh, I do quite distinctly remember it was particularly stupid, even by his standards. Just why he thinks I'm going to waste my time trying to edify someone stupid and subjective enough to deny something as solidly established as evolution, whilst shouting at the top his lungs that ghostly goblins are all around us because he says so, so there, is anyone's guess, but I really can't be bothered. He'll just roll on anyway.

by stuart torr Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:26 pm

Cries about every post does he not Sheldon? Sad

by polyglide Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:59 am

There is no obsolute proof that anything has ever come from nothing.

A few explanations.

Antimatter.

People who are against everything.

Anti Protons, Antineutrons, Antinuclei.

All atheists.

Neutrinos.

People with no particular belief.

Electrons.

People hoping to become MPs.

Positrons.

People with a positive attitude.

Egocentric.

Dr. Sheldon.

by Dan Fante Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:07 am

Morons

People who don't know when to give up

by polyglide Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:09 am

I am pleased you realise you should.

by Dan Fante Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:11 am

polyglide wrote:I am pleased you realise you should.

Which would exclude me from being one, based on that definition. Thanks for the compliment Wink

by polyglide Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:15 am

No, I said I was plaesed you realised you should, not that you had actually done the right thing, that would realy be going too far.

by Dan Fante Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:18 am

The moron thing was a joke anyway, PG. As I assumed your post prior to that was too.

by polyglide Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:30 am

You certainly are good for a laugh Dan and why not?

by Dan Fante Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:31 am

polyglide wrote:You certainly are good for a laugh Dan and why not?

Barry Norman, is that you?

by Norm Deplume Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:32 am

polyglide wrote:There is no obsolute proof that anything has ever come from nothing.

So if there was a creator of the universe, what did he/she/it make it from? If the materials (or energy) did not exist then it must have come from nothing. If the materials were already in existence then there is no reason to discount our universe being a by-product of natural processes.

by stuart torr Wed Nov 13, 2013 1:09 pm

pollyglide your spelling gets worse does it not? Rolling Eyes

by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:48 pm

polyglide wrote:There is no obsolute proof that anything has ever come from nothing.
Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD wrote:Oh dear....
A few explanations. Antimatter. People who are against everything. Anti Protons, Antineutrons, Antinuclei. All atheists.Neutrinos.
People with no particular belief. Electrons. People hoping to become MPs. Positrons. People with a positive attitude. Egocentric. Dr. Sheldon.

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by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:49 pm

stu wrote:pollyglide your spelling gets worse does it not?

He's trolling stu, has to be.

by stuart torr Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:52 pm

2 arguments with spin won both he has now gone missing. Laughing

by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD Wed Nov 13, 2013 8:33 pm

stu wrote:2 arguments with spin won both he has now gone missing.

He's not getting any better is he, he seems to post more and more and say less and less. All the time spoiling for a fight, with anyone, and over nothing at all.

by stuart torr Wed Nov 13, 2013 8:38 pm

these two were with Bearman and mrs shaw he pissed off when had a go about his semantics. Laughing

by polyglide Fri Nov 15, 2013 11:18 am

My spelling does not in any way change the logic.

Of course matter must have been created from something.

What we are unable to understand , well some of us, is that there must be far superior beings than humans if you take the universe, even the part that we know about and consider the implications of the size, the elements we actually know about and the possibility that there are thousands of things we do not know about, it is unconceivable that we are the most advanced form of life.

We have no idea the size of the universe. questions, where does it start and where does it end, if it ends what is at the end, if it goes on for ever what is it travelling through and where is it going.

There are many other questions so come on just answer those.

by stuart torr Fri Nov 15, 2013 12:32 pm

NOBODY KNOWS THE SIZE OF THE UNIVERSE DO THEY? so how can they answer the questions PG?

by Bellatori Fri Nov 15, 2013 2:41 pm

polyglide wrote:Of course matter must have been created from something.

Indeed... energy

polyglide wrote:...it is unconceivable that we are the most advanced form of life.

So what? It makes no difference to us in any meaningful way as we have n contact with any such. The aboriginies in Australia had no contact with the Chinese - a much more advanced civilisation. How is that relevant to the Aboriginies? It isn't any more than some more advanced but unknown civilisation is relevant to us.

polyglide wrote:We have no idea the size of the universe.

Really?... You could start by looking here. This will also help answer some of the other questions you pose.

by stuart torr Fri Nov 15, 2013 2:59 pm

Wow Bellatori. mindboggling. confused

by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD Fri Nov 15, 2013 8:24 pm

polyglide wrote:My spelling does not in any way change the logic.

Of course matter must have been created from something.

What we are unable to understand , well some of us, is that there must be far superior beings than humans if you take the universe, even the part that we know about and consider the implications of the size, the elements we actually know about and the possibility that there are thousands of things we do not know about, it is unconceivable that we are the most advanced form of life.

We have no idea the size of the universe. questions, where does it start and where does it end, if it ends what is at the end, if it goes on for ever what is it travelling through and where is it going.

There are many other questions so come on just answer those.

Another wow moment. This has to be wind-up doesn't it? Perhaps Polly can explain why light from stars that are billions of lights years away is visible to us if the universe is only a few thousand years old? Did god create the light en-route? scratch

When you say we don't know the size of the universe are you referring only to yourself and some friends perhaps? Or did you not know that scientists map and measure the universe?

http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/ There you go, knock yourself out....

by Heretic Sat Nov 16, 2013 9:54 am

Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD wrote:Perhaps Polly can explain why light from stars that are billions of lights years away is visible to us if the universe is only a few thousand years old? Did god create the light en-route?

Yet this the exact response I got when I put that argument to a creationist, he firmly believed that light had been created en-route and that dinosaur bones had been put in fossils etc etc and all of this was to give the impression that science was correct in order to test our faith. I don't think he realised what he was implying or saying that he believed. That the whole of 'creation' was a lie told by god to man.

Heretic

by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD Sat Nov 16, 2013 12:55 pm

Heretic wrote:
Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD wrote:Perhaps Polly can explain why light from stars that are billions of lights years away is visible to us if the universe is only a few thousand years old? Did god create the light en-route?
Yet this the exact response I got when I put that argument to a creationist, he firmly believed that light had been created en-route and that dinosaur bones had been put in fossils etc etc and all of this was to give the impression that science was correct in order to test our faith. I don't think he realised what he was implying or saying that he believed. That the whole of 'creation' was a lie told by god to man.

Heretic

So essentially implying perfidious duplicity on the part of their deity, which when combined with their claim for omniscience means that deity would have absolute knowledge of the horrendous consequences and suffering. Creating something of a paradox with the traditional Christian view of a benevolent God of course, but that aside it's a mindset that is basically admitting that it will never ever accept any evidence no matter how compelling or how much of it is produced that contradicts their beliefs.

by Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD Sat Nov 16, 2013 12:57 pm

Bellatori wrote:
polyglide wrote:Of course matter must have been created from something.
Indeed... energy

polyglide wrote:...it is unconceivable that we are the most advanced form of life.
So what? It makes no difference to us in any meaningful way as we have n contact with any such. The aboriginies in Australia had no contact with the Chinese - a much more advanced civilisation. How is that relevant to the Aboriginies? It isn't any more than some more advanced but unknown civilisation is relevant to us.

polyglide wrote:We have no idea the size of the universe.
Really?... You could start by looking here. This will also help answer some of the other questions you pose.

He's gone fairly reticent of late, do you suppose he's on that site now having an epiphany? Not unlike Saul going to Damascus, but in reverse.

by polyglide Mon Nov 18, 2013 1:36 pm

If scientist know the size of the universe then just tell me where it starts and where it ends and what is on the other side of the end.

If you understand it, then explain it.

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