Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

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In my opinion, the UK under our extreme right-wing government is rapidly degenerating into velvet glove fascism.

Like all fascists, Hitler was against trade unions and socialists. Similarly, Michael Gove vilified primary school teachers and dinner ladies, many of whom went on strike for the first time in their lives on 30 November last year, as “militants itching for a fight”. Gove has plans for military cadets in every school (Cameron Youth?) and a return to children sitting in rows reciting lists of kings and queens in history lessons, rather than learning to think. Hitler also realised how important history was to indoctrination when he ordered the mass burning of books. Tories close libraries.

Hitler made sure that he controlled the media. The Tories have cowed the BBC by threats of fragmentation and sharing the licence fee with others, such as Murdoch. The BBC, which was required to be impartial, has become just another mouthpiece for Tory propaganda. As soon as they came to power in 2010, the Tories instructed every minister to repeat over and over again the whopping lie that Labour, not Tory bankers, caused the global credit crisis. We have the repeated lie about everyone in the public sector getting “gold-plated pensions”, when the average is only £5,600 per annum. As Goebbels said: "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." Cameron has proved over and over again that he’s a pathological liar.

Hitler divided and ruled the German people by scapegoating Jews and gypsies. The Tories are demonising those who receive benefits, one result of which is that disability hate crimes are increasing. Duncan Smith went on breakfast television on 27 May 2010 and made the chilling remark: "Work makes you free". That's an exact translation of the sign which used to hang over the entrances to concentration camps.

The Tories have plans to force 50,000 disabled youth to work for companies such as Sainsbury's and Tesco's unpaid. Cancer patients are being made to undergo work assessments while being treated with chemotherapy, and wounded soldiers are being sacked. (Osborne is willing to take money from the disabled and cancer patients, but not prepared to veto Hester's bonus from the largely state-owned RBS.)

The police are being trained to shoot people with rubber bullets and will be issued with water cannon, yet the Tories were so keen on helping Arab rebels in North Africa. Two unknown Scottish teenagers made a joke on 'Facebook' about organising riots, and they both received four years in jail. A prominent Tory TV presenter (and personal friend of Cameron) made a tasteless joke about murdering trade unionists on prime time television; nothing was done about it and the BBC continue to pay him £1 million a year of our money.

We don't have any concentration camps in the UK, but the principles are the same - propaganda, indoctrination, and divide and rule by demonising a section of the population. While Hitler gassed Jews, the Tories clearly don't care if benefit claimants starve to death. Even payments from the Social Fund, for those in the most desperate need, will no longer be available from job centres but will be at the 'discretion' of local councils, who will not have to ring-fence the money. All the ingredients of fascism are there, but it's just being handed out to us in a more genteel form than Hitler used - in velvet gloves.

yet these people seem to think it’s a right to own their home..

mmm, I believe everyone should have the right to own their own home if they can afford it. It was the government's job to ensure the mortgage sector was not selling mortgages to people who could not afford it. Labour failed to regulate the housing market, nothing to do with Toffs, Tories, Rachman or the Illuminati.

Ivanhoe said: "Oh dear oh dear. The reason house prices have risen over the decades, is because of the publics obession with making a profit when buying and selling."

House prices rose because of an unregulated market, and even if what you say was true then that is the price of a free democracy, you cannot impose reasons for buying or selling a home.

Anyone see Daily Politics, Tory Party Conference show today with Hunt trying to defend a 0.05% increase in next years NHS budget?

Or did you see last nights News Night which showed Osbourn's 25% reduction in the National Deficit was really a 2% reduction unless you changed the way the figures are calculated...........???

astradt1 wrote:Anyone see Daily Politics, Tory Party Conference show today with Hunt trying to defend a 0.05% increase in next years NHS budget?

Or did you see last nights News Night which showed Osbourn's 25% reduction in the National Deficit was really a 2% reduction unless you changed the way the figures are calculated...........???

Yes astrad 1 seen both of those TV programmes, I noticed chunt did not mention the 20 Million they are taking out of the NHS, as for the deficit reduction its all smoking mirrors and they are very very good at LYING through their Back Teeth, some one needs to get a hold of the right figures and let the public see them and that way we can call a spade a bloody spade in other words fcuking LIARS.

sickchip wrote:

The reason that average house prices have trebled since 1995 is that the Banks want to get their loans paid back. That couldn't happen if the price of a house was static.

But allowing prices to increase completely out of proportion to wage inflation was sheer stupidity - it should have been obvious it would be unsustainable. More controls on house pricing were/are needed. Steady rises in line with wages would have been the sensible route to take - unfortunately greed won out; and now millions of young working people will probably never be able to buy a home.

Well if nothing else that confirms the futility of all politicians who think they will be able to "make a difference".

Quote #1: "allowing prices to increase completely out of proportion to wage inflation was sheer stupidity - it should have been obvious it would be unsustainable." Though first-time buyers were able to acquire a domestic dwelling.

Quote #2 " now millions of young working people will probably never be able to buy a home."

Choose ONE option only.

oftenwrong wrote:

sickchip wrote:

The reason that average house prices have trebled since 1995 is that the Banks want to get their loans paid back. That couldn't happen if the price of a house was static.

But allowing prices to increase completely out of proportion to wage inflation was sheer stupidity - it should have been obvious it would be unsustainable. More controls on house pricing were/are needed. Steady rises in line with wages would have been the sensible route to take - unfortunately greed won out; and now millions of young working people will probably never be able to buy a home.

Well if nothing else that confirms the futility of all politicians who think they will be able to "make a difference".

Quote #1: "allowing prices to increase completely out of proportion to wage inflation was sheer stupidity - it should have been obvious it would be unsustainable." Though first-time buyers were able to acquire a domestic dwelling.

Quote #2 " now millions of young working people will probably never be able to buy a home."

Choose ONE option only.

Oh dear oh dear oh dear. often wrong, there is no stupidity here. The Tories have an ideology and they stick to it.

Thatcher sold off council houses but didnt build any more. The Tories are not for the common man, the common man just thinks they are because they believe the propoganda.

Well if nothing else that confirms the futility of all politicians who think they will be able to "make a difference".

Yep.

Tosh wrote:

Well if nothing else that confirms the futility of all politicians who think they will be able to "make a difference".

Yep.

There is one thing for sure, since the 80's particularly, Thatcher changed the face of Britain the easy way, by appealing to greed and self interest.

Now all, and what, we have, are career "economist" right wing politicians who care nothing for the ordinary people..

Nobody wants to make a difference, because nobody really cares.

I hope you don't mind me seeing things in a slightly different light.

There is one thing for sure, since the 80's particularly, Thatcher changed the face of Britain the easy way, by appealing to greed and self interest.

I believe Thatcher made some big mistakes in transforming Britain, but she did not destroy socialism in Britain, it destroyed itself. We were not known as the " poor man of Europe " for nothing, publicly owned industries did not make the Soviets rich despite their massive internal market. Why you believe our nationalised industries could compete in a globalised market is beyond me. Thatcher knew a globalised free market was inevitable and we were the most ill equippd nation to survive in it, as it happens she was right and we would not be the 5 th biggest economy in the world if we had not changed.

Now all, and what, we have, are career "economist" right wing politicians who care nothing for the ordinary people..

I want the managers of my economy to be economists, because the healthiest economies can provide the greatest support to those unfortunates in need,( the victims of technology and globalisation, the unemployables.)

Almost 20% of our citizens are illiterate and/or poor communicators, this did not matter if you were an unskilled worker in Coal, Ships, Steel, Cars, Trains and Engineerng/Manufacturing. But these industries are now a fraction of their size and we have a service/banking/technology job market.
We do not have and never will have suitable jobs for the " underclass ", and I am quite prepared to supply them with a reasonable lifestyle attached to some community work.

Nobody wants to make a difference, because nobody really cares.

We care less in a recession, altruism like morality is relative, we obviously consider self interest more when our own well being is threatened, its an understandable survival instinct.

Tosh wrote:I hope you don't mind me seeing things in a slightly different light.

There is one thing for sure, since the 80's particularly, Thatcher changed the face of Britain the easy way, by appealing to greed and self interest.

I believe Thatcher made some big mistakes in transforming Britain, but she did not destroy socialism in Britain, it destroyed itself. We were not known as the " poor man of Europe " for nothing, publicly owned industries did not make the Soviets rich despite their massive internal market. Why you believe our natioalised industries could compete in a globalised market is beyond me. Thatcher knew a globalised free market was inevitable and we were the most ill equippd nation to survive in it, as it happens she was right and we would not be the 5 th biggest economy in the world if we had not changed.

Now all, and what, we have, are career "economist" right wing politicians who care nothing for the ordinary people..

I want the managers of my economy to be economists, because the healthiest economies can provide the greatest support to those unfortunates in need,( the victims of technology and globalisation, the unemployables.)

Almost 20% of our citizens are illiterate and/or poor communicators, this did not matter if you were an unskilled worker in Coal, Ships, Steel, Cars, Trains and Engineerng/Manufacturing. But these industries are now a fraction of their size and we have a service/banking/technology job market.
We do not have and never will have suitable jobs for the " underclass ", and I am quite prepared to supply them with a reasonable lifestyle attached to some community work.

Nobody wants to make a difference, because nobody really cares.

We care less in a recession, altruism like morality is relative, we obviously consider self interest more when our own well being is threatened, its an understandable survival instinct.

"""I believe Thatcher made some big mistakes in transforming Britain, but she did not destroy socialism in Britain, it destroyed itself. We were not known as the " poor man of Europe " for nothing, publicly owned industries did not make the Soviets rich despite their massive internal market. Why you believe our natioalised industries could compete in a globalised market is beyond me. Thatcher knew a globalised free market was inevitable and we were the most ill equippd nation to survive in it, as it happens she was right and we would not be the 5 th biggest economy in the world if we had not changed""

This response will be the softest response to your posting on Thatcher.

Thatcher took the heart and the soul out of Britain and the British. She created a massive rich and poor divide via policy.

Her handbag waving antics across Europe and Reagan's America gave the world the impression she was great and Britain was great.

But we werent great re- Thatcher's reign, we had become hard nosed and soul less. And now this is a vicious trap we have all fallen into and why our politicians now are reflections of us.

Strange no one has mentioned Gideon's little wheeze of saying that workers should be offered up to £50,000 (Tax Free) worth of shares in the company they work for to give up most of their working rights.......

Now how many people do you think will get this high end offer?

How many people work in Publicly Listed companies?

Is this really just another little Gideon trick to help his banker and wealthy friends to avoid paying a bit of tax?

Thatcher took the heart and the soul out of Britain and the British. She created a massive rich and poor divide via policy.

You are deluded into assuming left wing socialist culture represented the social zeitgeist of our nation, it did not, it is an understandable but myopic perception. The inordinate power this minority movement had over democracy sealed its fate.

astradt1 wrote:Strange no one has mentioned Gideon's little wheeze of saying that workers should be offered up to £50,000 (Tax Free) worth of shares in the company they work for to give up most of their working rights.......

Now how many people do you think will get this high end offer?

How many people work in Publicly Listed companies?

Is this really just another little Gideon trick to help his banker and wealthy friends to avoid paying a bit of tax?

No, its a way of getting votes, and it could work, the British are thick enough.

Thatcher took the heart and the soul out of Britain and the British. She created a massive rich and poor divide via policy.

Strange how different people see the same thing differently. I believe Thatcher saved the nation,
I dont want to go over ground RE: The unions and the poor man of Europe, but without Thatcher economic revolution the UK would probably be on par with a minor european nation at best.
I am at a loss to understand what planet leftwingers are on sometimes...Their intentions are good, but intentions never fit in with the realities of the world we live
All I hear on here is how nasty the Tories are.....blah blah blah...but not one person has put forth a realistic argument on how the UK can complete in a global economy if wages and costs spiral.
Even the Labour party recognise that they cannot return to leftist policies, or we would be hearing about it now....1. They would not work and 2. Very few people would support these policies.

I bet money on it not one of you lefties will explain how your left wing policies and ideals will work in todays global economy. So as usual your left with very predictable....Tories are this, Tories are that zzzzzzzzzzzzz

In an earlier post I pointed out that in 13 years of New Labour the highest tax rate was 40%, they didn't even re-nationised one industry, didn't undertake a massive council re-building programme, left the financial service and mortgage sectors to their own devices and embraced Capitalism more than any self serving Tory ever could.

So what have we got this time around? Is it New New Labour, New Old Labour, or haven't got a clue Labour. You can't just change your name and expect everyone to have very short memories....Try actually not f**king up for a change.

""I believe Thatcher saved the nation""

Margaret Thatcher severed the basic State pensions link with male average earnings for 12 million pensioners. Reducing the State pension at a stroke.

Thatcher stopped building council housing.

Thatcher privatised our Utilities.


Now bluey, you tell me those policies were right.

Having sold the People's water, electricity, gas and railways, the Tory bandits are now planning to sell our roads.

Don't lift your feet otherwise they'll sell the ground you were standing on.

oftenwrong wrote:Having sold the People's water, electricity, gas and railways, the Tory bandits are now planning to sell our roads.

Don't lift your feet otherwise they'll sell the ground you were standing on.

Here is one you did not know about but I do not think it will surprise any of you, I live in Scotland and the Maggot never managed to sell our water it still belongs to the Scottish public but because the Tory led gov't took money from the grant that Scotland gets ( they get all our taxes including gas and oil money) the Scottish L/Ds suggested we sell our water so what everybody has been saying the L/Ds are just YELLOW TORIES.

Compassionate Fascist Conservatism

This is how disabled campaigner Sue Marsh describes herself:-

“I have a rare form of Crohn's Disease. I was diagnosed 21 years ago and have had many operations to remove strictures (narrowings in my bowel that grow like tumours) I suffer daily pain, often vomiting, malnourished and weak. I take mega-strong medications every day including chemo-style immuno-suppressants, opiates and anti-sickness injections. Sometimes I am fed into my central vein by tube, other times I can enjoy a nice meal out. I have children that I often can't look after and a husband who often looks after me. Our lives are disrupted daily by the misery of a chronic condition.”

This is her list of what Cameron and the Tories are doing for the disabled:-

Halving support for disabled children, Scrapping the "Youth Premium" that ensured independence for the most profoundly disabled children; Scrapping Crisis Loans; Cutting housing support for disabled people; Cutting council budgets so hard that they cannot provide social care to some of the most vulnerable people in our communities; Introducing PIP to replace DLA with the aim of cutting 500,000 vulnerable people from the figures without a single assessment; Introducing unlimited, unpaid work for those with significant illnesses or disabilities; Cutting all benefit support for sick and disabled people appealing their ESA decisions; Lying to the public about Work Capability Assessments and failing to make them fit for purpose while disabled people suffer and die; Encouraging hate crime by constantly feeding the media "scrounger" stories about the sick and disabled; Closing Remploy factories, throwing over 1,500 working disabled people on the scrapheap; Exaggerating fraud rates and implying all sick and disabled people are "feckless, festering, stock"; Lying about the levels of disability benefit fraud repeatedly and feeding politicised press releases to the media; Turning neighbour on neighbour and fostering a climate of hate towards the sick and disabled; Forcing cancer patients to the Job Centre; Privatising our health service despite promises that you would protect it; Rationing access to NHS treatment; Cutting respite care despite promising you understood and would help; Suggesting in PIP that a sick or disabled person can "bathe" if they can wash above the waist only; Reclassifying paraplegics as "fully mobile" if they use their wheelchairs too well; Blocking improvement in Atos assessments; Lying about Workfare repeatedly to the press; Falsifying internet documents to make your workfare lies look like the truth.

http://diaryofabenefitscrounger.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/compassionate-fascist-conservatism.html?spref=tw

I've just posted this blog on my facebook page with a message to all the sods who are scapegoating these people on the coalitions behalf!

It makes me sick to my stomach to see how low these gits will stoop Ivan!

Atos scandal: Benefits bosses admit over half of people ruled fit to work ended up destitute:

MORE than HALF of people stripped of disability benefits after being ruled “fit for work” by Atos were left unemployed and without income, according to a Government study.

Former Atos nurse Joyce Drummond told us how bosses forced her to “trick” disabled people out of their benefits.

Joyce’s medical training meant she knew claimants were unfit to work, but she was told to mark people as fit if they could write – or if they showed up for their interviews properly dressed.

Labour MP Michael Meacher has launched a campaign against Atos after one of his constituents who had been ruled fit for work died of a seizure.

He said lifelong epilepsy sufferer Colin Traynor’s health deteriorated under the stress of a £70-a-week cut to his benefit.

Meacher added: “Colin worried he would lose his home, not be able to pay his bills or even afford food. His health deteriorated, his seizures increased due to stress, and he lost a lot of weight.

“On April 3 this year he had a massive seizure that killed him.

“Colin is just one of many victims of this unfair system.

“Even though they deny it, I believe Atos have been given a target to get two-thirds of people off incapacity benefit.

“There are thousands of people being told wrongly that they are able to work. The Government have admitted that 11,000 people forced on to work-related activity after assessments have died before getting work.

“I am trying to gather all the cases I can, because this is a massive injustice. I am prepared to campaign for months or years until this is addressed properly.”

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/atos-scandal-benefits-bosses-admit-1344278

I read that last week, ended up in tears...

They are nasty creeps!

Great post Bobby! I'd be more than happy to walk down that road with you!

bobby wrote: Thanks for the link sick chip.

Herr Cameron and Iain Dumkopf Schmidt do not give a toss for any one of the 11,000 dead victims, so long as those victims aren't potential Tory voters.

I find it incredible that the Bastard Herr Cameron can be so vicious to those needing help, after he claimed benefits to the full when his late son was still alive, despite him and his kennel mate being worth in excess of £30,000,000, his motto must be “ I’ve had my share, now eff the rest”.

I wonder daily how long the shweinhund can carry on attacking those least able to defend themselves.

If I where walking down the road and happened into Herr Cameron or Iain Dumkopf Schmidt, I would without doubt give them a slapping. I know I could get away with it as all I would then have to do is apologise, I mean how can Crunt ( a fanny with an R) or Mitchell’s apologies be any more sincere or have any more value than mine.

I tend to think bobby the police would more than likely look the other way in regard to your assault on the backstud, I hope I never bump into him bobby he would not be as lucky as it would not be a slap I would give him more like a bloody good kicking.

I think it will take more than one bad-mannered Minister to shake the instinctive support which Policemen always feel for the Lawmakers. It might be a mistake to rely upon a copper turning a blind eye. They habitually even turn each other in, remember.

bobby wrote:

Herr Cameron and Iain Dumkopf Schmidt do not give a toss for any one of the 11,000 dead victims, so long as those victims aren't potential Tory voters.

I find it incredible that the Bastard Herr Cameron can be so vicious to those needing help, after he claimed benefits to the full when his late son was still alive, despite him and his kennel mate being worth in excess of £30,000,000, his motto must be “ I’ve had my share, now eff the rest”.

I wonder daily how long the shweinhund can carry on attacking those least able to defend themselves.

If I where walking down the road and happened into Herr Cameron or Iain Dumkopf Schmidt, I would without doubt give them a slapping. I know I could get away with it as all I would then have to do is apologise, I mean how can Crunt ( a fanny with an R) or Mitchell’s apologies be any more sincere or have any more value than mine.

Good post, bobby. And I echo your sentiments.

About 1yr ago I spent about two hours sitting a few feet from Cameron. I doubt slapping him, as you suggest, would do any of us much good.......but appreciate that many people these days would have the urge to do so - given the opportunity.

sickchip wrote:

bobby wrote:

Herr Cameron and Iain Dumkopf Schmidt do not give a toss for any one of the 11,000 dead victims, so long as those victims aren't potential Tory voters.

I find it incredible that the Bastard Herr Cameron can be so vicious to those needing help, after he claimed benefits to the full when his late son was still alive, despite him and his kennel mate being worth in excess of £30,000,000, his motto must be “ I’ve had my share, now eff the rest”.

I wonder daily how long the shweinhund can carry on attacking those least able to defend themselves.

If I where walking down the road and happened into Herr Cameron or Iain Dumkopf Schmidt, I would without doubt give them a slapping. I know I could get away with it as all I would then have to do is apologise, I mean how can Crunt ( a fanny with an R) or Mitchell’s apologies be any more sincere or have any more value than mine.

Good post, bobby. And I echo your sentiments.

About 1yr ago I spent about two hours sitting a few feet from Cameron. I doubt slapping him, as you suggest, would do any of us much good.......but appreciate that many people these days would have the urge to do so - given the opportunity.

I definitely do not think people want to slap him something a bit harder like a my fist in his face, and he has got one of those faces you could not stop punching.

bobby wrote:Hello Red. When a Londoner refers to giving a slap, it is a word that covers all degree's of violence.

Thanks bobby in Scotland we say "A good doing" but there are many saying regarding violence and the one suitable for Scam..er..on and his dick heads would be "Can your Mum Sew" if so get her to stitch that ( knife ).

"Whenever you scratch a Tory you find a fascist." (Nye Bevan)

The descent into fascism in the UK under the Tories is almost complete. The state is being dismantled rapidly and transferred from democratic control to unaccountable corporations. A section of the community is being demonised, as Osborne encouraged in his conference speech; will benefit claimants have to wear arm bands soon, or maybe a yellow star? All that’s needed to complete the job is a populist leader, maybe a blonde Aryan – is there anyone around who fits that role?

If some day it should happen
that a victim must be found
I've got a little list
i've got a little list
of society offenders who might well be underground
who never would be missed
Who never would be missed

Gilbert & Sullivan The Mikado

On April 3 this year he had a massive seizure that killed him.

“Colin is just one of many victims of this unfair system.

Dearie me, epileptics died of seizures before the cuts and nobody was claiming the system killed him, you people haven't a clue how to analyse information rationally.

"him" is singular, while "epileptics" is plural. But who cares as long as the message to mankind is understood?

But who cares as long as the message to mankind is understood?.

If you can't debate the point, be a man and keep quiet, you are making yourself appear weak-minded.

Tosh wrote:

But who cares as long as the message to mankind is understood?.

If you can't debate the point, be a man and keep quiet, you are making yourself appear weak-minded.

Hark at the pot calling the kettle, black.

If you can't debate the point, be a man and keep quiet

Tosh. You're not a moderator, so STFU. You're skating on very thin ice if you want to continue posting your tired, tedious right-wing claptrap on this forum. I spend a proportion of my time persuading people not to leave because of your trolling, and I've just about had enough. How many forums have you been banned from so far?

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Tosh. You're not a moderator, so STFU.

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I can dismantle your arguments in a political debate with ease, so I can see why you wish me to STFU.

You're skating on very thin ice if you want to continue posting your tired, tedious right-wing claptrap on this forum.

As against your tired, tedious left wing claptrap on this forum ? :affraid:

I spend a proportion of my time persuading people not to leave because of your trolling, and I've just about had enough. How many forums have you been banned from so far?.

Stop inventing excuses about trolling, you want to surround yourself with a bunch of like minded sychophants, stroking each others egos, its almost like a union.

Your arguments are non-existent, they consist of hurling abuse at the Tories,the Toffs and Tosh, and you have the gall to accuse me of trolling.

If you are going to ban me Ivan, have the balls to admit its because I simply do not share your politics.

You big baby, grow up.

I can dismantle your arguments in a political debate with ease

Tosh. LOL. You haven't done so yet. All you dish up are the usual stale old Tory platitudes, nearly always unsupported by any evidence or sources, such as your smug lie that no children are going hungry in this country.

Others have speculated that you are probably determined to martyr yourself and get banned from yet another forum, and that's for you to decide. We've been pretty lenient so far with all your breaches of the rules, starting with abuse directed at a moderator from the minute you arrived. Your continued attacks on other posters are not acceptable and will have repercussions if they don't stop now.

Britain is fast descending into fascism, as the Tory conference demonstrated. This forum will not be used to demonise any groups in society, such as the benefit claimants to whom Osborne was directing his poison and inciting others to do the same.

Tosh. LOL. You haven't done so yet. All you dish up are the usual stale old Tory platitudes, nearly always unsupported by any evidence or sources, such as your smug lie that no children are going hungry in this country.

There are no children going hungry for goodness sake, wake up to the reality that Britain has a welfare state that is the envy of the world.

Others have speculated that you are probably determined to martyr yourself and get banned from yet another forum, and that's for you to decide.

Away and boil your heid, I don't give a monkeys what you and your " union brothers " dream up, if your politics are anything to go by its pure fantasy. Which part of " I do not share your loony left wing views ", do you not understand ?

We've been pretty lenient so far with all your breaches of the rules, starting with abuse directed at a moderator from the minute you arrived. Your continued attacks on other posters are not acceptable and will have repercussions if they don't stop now.

You are certainly lenient about the numerous personal attacks against me, I do not mind, so I suggest your little bunch of pseudo intellectuals grow a pair. Stop pretending this is a forum for intelligent political debate, it is a glorified classroom.

Britain is fast descending into fascism, as the Tory conference demonstrated. This forum will not be used to demonise any groups in society, such as the benefit claimants to whom Osborne was directing his poison and inciting others to do the same..

Don't tell me what groups in society I can or cannot demonise, it is real fascism, have you lost the plot man ?

Account suspended. Ivan.

It is ok to demonise anyone who is a Conservative, Liberal or New Labour but I cannot demonise those benefit claimants who consciously steal my freakin money ?

Yeah, someone needs to read the definition of fascism.

Tosh wrote:It is ok to demonise anyone who is a Conservative, Liberal or New Labour but I cannot demonise those benefit claimants who consciously steal my freakin money ?

Yeah, someone needs to read the definition of fascism.

Funny this. I'm a working man, but I dont mind benefit claimants being hopefully saved from the gutter with the help of my taxes.

I guess Tosh, you just like to be different.