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Post by Ivan Sun Aug 26, 2012 8:25 pm

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When anyone asks me which Tory I hate most, it’s such a difficult choice. Sometimes I think it’s Osborne, the Bullingdon Club idiot doing his work experience as Chancellor of the Exchequer and displaying total incompetence. Sometimes I opt for Lansley, who has been secretly planning to destroy the NHS for the last seven years, while taking money from private healthcare providers both for his own office and that of the Tory Party. (I hope that when this government is thrown out, its corrupt members follow Chirac, Berlusconi and possibly Sarkozy into the dock to face criminal charges.) Cameron himself is a strong candidate, for all the lies he’s told both before and since the election, and Clegg, though not officially a Tory, has allowed so many appalling policies to be implemented, that he's always a major contender. But inevitably I settle for Michael Gove.

Gove was a Murdoch journalist who was still on the payroll long after he ceased working for News International. What he knows about education can be written on the back of a postage stamp, but that doesn’t matter, he’s on message and knows what has to be done to destroy our state education system.

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It was the responsibility of Willetts rather than Gove, but when this rancid Tory-dominated coalition first came to power, it in effect privatised higher education at a stroke and then tripled student tuition fees. That made sure that not so many people would get a university education, which the Tories have always believed should be reserved for the rich and privileged – with just a few token scholarships made available to some intelligent children of those they view as ‘plebs’.

Meanwhile, Gove has set about privatising state schools. Firstly, he put up the threshold for determining that a school is failing and requires intervention. Previously the threshold was a 35% pass rate A-C in 5 subjects including Maths and English; now it’s 40%. Then to make sure that even more schools ‘fail’, he manipulated the exam boards to change the grade boundaries, so that fewer children pass English. So hundreds of schools are now eligible for intervention and will be forced to become academies run by chains favoured by Gove and no doubt donors to the Tory Party.

Schools that become academies are not bound by the same pay and conditions agreements that the teaching unions negotiated. At the moment the academies pay the going rate, because otherwise they wouldn’t get the staff. When enough schools are academies they won’t need to worry about that.

Gove couldn’t give a damn that the collateral damage here is to real children. Whatever you think about GCSE exams, moving the goalposts in the middle of the game seems a particularly cruel thing to do, especially when the victims are children. So children have been deliberately failed in order for Gove to be able to privatise schools.

In 2011, 1,100 disabled people in the UK died after being declared fit to work by the minions of this vile government. Every time I think they can’t become more depraved and despicable, they do. And the Liberal Democrats just let it keep on happening.

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http://liberalconspiracy.org/2012/08/23/by-downgrading-gcse-results-today-michael-gove-plans-to-sell-100s-of-schools/





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Post by oftenwrong Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:53 pm

Excuse a small drift off-topic (there is another "Gove" thread on the board) but although Education is of fundamental importance, the Tory-led coalition are desperately aware that the Nation's Economy is not going to improve significantly before the next General Election, and will have to make further cuts in expenditure particularly in the Welfare sector. 

Gideon is about to produce another of his forecasts, which will rely heavily upon the possibility of flogging a few odd bits of the Banking Industry so painfully acquired in 2008. He will no doubt make much of anticipated gains that can by now only accrue AFTER the election.

The trumpeted "Universal Pension" that was to equalise entitlement is already undergoing metamorphoses, meaning that the intended uprating of 2½% a year is no longer quite so "automatic" as it said on the tin.

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Post by boatlady Tue Jun 18, 2013 6:51 pm

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/06/its-time-hold-ministers-account-their-waste-public-money-starting-gove


Interesting article in this week's New Statesman - I was quite clear the Austerity measures were proving expensive - wonder how many realised how much more expensive Mr Gove's ideology driven, evidence free tinkering with the education system is?
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Post by oftenwrong Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:44 pm

The economic news for Britain today is that inflation (meant to be kept below 2%) has risen to 2.8% at a time when most wages are static.  Main components were food prices risen by 4.4% over last year (memo start that diet ASAP) and Air Fares - upon which the Passenger Taxes were increased by Gideon Osborne in each of the last two years.  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/travelnews/9158289/Budget-2012-Air-Passenger-Duty-rise-confirmed.html

Can the Education budget survive the next round of cuts?  What do you think?
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Post by boatlady Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:41 pm

Being an excellent tool for dividing the voters and spoiling the life chances of working class kids, I'd guess Gove's budget is fairly safe
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Post by tlttf Thu Jun 20, 2013 5:39 pm

boatlady, my apologies if you believed I was faulting teachers, I wasn't. However even the best of teachers can only teach within the agenda they are allowed, it's the interference from local and national government that I'm against as both (even if accidental) are unable to stop petty interference purely for political reasons, as such education has suffered badly and Gove is doing what Labour hates and freeing the individual to think for themselves rather than be indoctrinated.

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Post by oftenwrong Thu Jun 20, 2013 7:29 pm

(see also interference in the NHS; interference in allocation of local resources; interference in Planning decisions; interference in Transport measures; interference in Police administration; interference in Public Broadcasting; interference in use of Public open spaces and school sports facilities, etcetera, etc., etc.)
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Post by boatlady Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:27 pm

freeing the individual to think for themselves rather than be indoctrinated.


not sure where rote learning comes in here, which seems to be one of the main planks of Mr Gove's philosophy of education (unless I've completely failed to understand what he's been saying)


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Post by tlttf Fri Jun 21, 2013 6:39 am

To be able to free think a person first needs the tools to use, unfortunately examination and understanding the basics of English, Maths, Geography and History are the basic tools of education.

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Post by boatlady Fri Jun 21, 2013 7:07 am

Sorry, didn't realise you were a teacher
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Post by tlttf Fri Jun 21, 2013 7:44 am

No need to apologise boatlady, how are you meant to know based on a few posts. lol.

Have your emociocons  stopped working?

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Post by oftenwrong Fri Jun 21, 2013 10:16 am

Recent Press comment suggests a direct correlation between the number of teenage dropouts and the number of children entitled to free school meals.

After so many years of compulsory free education, the outcome seems to  depend as much on family background as it does upon the quality of teaching.

Who's tackling that problem?  Not apparently the divisive Coalition.
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Post by boatlady Fri Jun 21, 2013 12:36 pm

I think Sure Start was beginning to have some effect with the pre-schoolers - I certainly had the impression that parents were beginning to feel more engaged with the school system and more able to speak up if they felt their child was not getting fair treatment. The Careers Service, too, was doing some good work with NEETS
Institutions are sometimes slow to change, and kids who see little future for themselves may well find it difficult to engage with education, or with the disciplines imposed by schools. The enjoyment of learning for its own sake is I believe rather rare - most people learn stuff they need to get on in life - if you don't think you're going to get on in life, I guess learning the Kings and Queens of England, the chemical composition of water, the full text of a Shakespeare play may seem a bit irrelevant to some.
I have been married to two people who failed maths at school, but later got quite good at it once they had a pay packet to open and a house and garden to look after.
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Post by oftenwrong Fri Jun 21, 2013 7:11 pm

As usual, more means less.
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Post by Ivan Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:41 pm

tlttf wrote:-
Gove is doing what Labour hates and freeing the individual to think for themselves rather than be indoctrinated.
What utter bollocks; Gove is doing just the opposite. He's turning History teaching back into the rote learning of 'kings and things', the way the subject was taught until about the 1950s. Learning in parrot fashion lists of facts about the so-called glories of the British Empire is indoctrination - that doesn't teach anyone to think about and question anything.
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Post by Ivan Mon Oct 07, 2013 10:27 pm

Natalie Bennett, the leader of the Green Party, asks when Gove is going to take responsibility for failing free schools and academies and resign. This is a part of her article:-
 
"It is important that we look at the trend in what’s happening here: identify it and highlight it: the importing of the ethos of the City and the financial sector into schools – that the ‘superhead’, some kind of ‘educational master of the universe’ can transform through their will and brilliance an entire educational community, and in doing so they have a free hand. Of course we know how well that ended in the City: fraud, mismanagement and chaos.

The idea of more freedom for heads could and should be a positive – if Mr Gove stopped trying to dictate teaching methods (such as phonics), stopped shoving children through endless exams as though they were sausages, and dictating what literary texts they should read.

But that doesn’t mean there doesn’t need to be oversight – which should be local and democratic. Schools are there for their communities –and they should be controlled by those communities, through democratically elected councillors."

 
For the full article:-
http://liberalconspiracy.org/2013/10/07/when-will-michael-gove-take-responsibility-for-failing-free-schools-or-academies/
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Post by boatlady Tue Oct 08, 2013 8:33 am

She does write rather well, doesn't she?
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Post by oftenwrong Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:45 am

The Grand old Duke of York,
He had ten thousand men,
He marched them up to the top of the hill,
and he marched them down again.


Pre-dates modern educational administration by a couple of hundred years. but how well it describes the process.

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Post by Ivan Wed Oct 16, 2013 10:43 pm

“Free schools are a dangerous ideological experiment”, says Tristram Hunt
 
Extracts from an article by Nicholas Watt:-
 
Tristram Hunt, the shadow education secretary, has written to Michael Gove about the al-Madinah free school in Derby. He believes the school highlights one of the central flaws in Gove's free schools initiative – that there is minimal oversight.

In his letter to Gove, Hunt writes: "I know that you will be concerned as I am that one of your free schools has failed to provide the quality of education we should expect for our children. In this school, as well as others across the country, your policy is being exposed as a dangerous ideological experiment which has been allowed to run completely out of control."

Hunt said that he supported the right of parents, teachers and social entrepreneurs to set up schools. But he said Labour's parent-led academies would be different in three key respects: the new academies would open only in areas where there was a shortage of school places; they would have to employ properly qualified teachers; and there would be proper systems of financial accountability and transparency.

On the Andrew Marr show, he said: "What is going on with the al-Madinah school is a terrifying example of the mistakes of Gove's education policy. You have a system which allows essentially financial irregularities, allegations of extremist curriculum, teaching ideas contrary to British values because there is no oversight there."

 
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Post by oftenwrong Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:24 am

Such establishments seem to have been created more for purposes of child conditioning than for education.
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Post by Ivan Sat Feb 08, 2014 3:20 pm

Michael Gove deserves a kick in the privates from the heroes who work in our state schools
 
Extracts from an article by Fiona Phillips:-
 
“Gove pronounced this week that he wants state schools to be as good as their private counterparts. Oh right, you mean those educational establishments masquerading as charities, thereby securing tax breaks, yet turning down special needs pupils for fear of a downturn in their exam pass rates? The schools that charge for the privilege of taking their entrance exam, then ask parents to stump up fees as high as £30,000 a year? If only state schools were as good as that, Mr Gove.

The fact is, they ARE. And it is a huge insult to teachers who’ve chosen to teach in the state sector because they want educational equality, to say otherwise. It is massively offensive to abuse state teachers with this shaky private versus public comparison, when there is no comparison.

Private schools are a business. They profit from education. Class sizes are small. There’s not much need for pastoral care, or delicate management of damaged children. There are no special needs skills needed. They do not spend time knocking on doors trying to coax children into school for their exams; nor dealing with abusive or addicted parents, or providing clothes for those who come in ill-equipped for life, never mind education. They have not had to face funding cuts while Mr Gove ploughs money into the setting up of unregulated free schools.”

 
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Post by oftenwrong Mon May 12, 2014 9:29 am

Now we know how determined Gove is to impose his will on the Nation's schools, we can imagine his likely course of action if he ever got the top job of PM.

Whatever is not forbidden will be compulsory!
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Post by Ivan Sat Sep 27, 2014 2:45 pm

Gove may be gone, but the momentum to turn schools into academies continues. The comedian Mark Steel relates the dirty tricks used at a school in Hove, where 29% of parents said Yes to academy status and 71% said No, on a 40% turnout. A local Tory councillor said: “It counts for nothing, because if you add the Yes vote to those who didn’t vote, that’s a majority for those in support”.

We’ve won the battle to prevent our school becoming an academy

Here are a few amusing extracts from his article:-

“This government loves the idea of turning schools into ‘academies’ – in order that they’re no longer controlled by local authorities or the national education system. You can understand the thinking, as other areas where this has happened – such as the railways and energy companies – have proved so successful and popular it would be a crime not to do the same with schools. Why should our children be denied the pleasure that adults have when dealing with nPower or First Capital Connect?

One instant advantage of an academy is the school gets a new name, so it’s no longer boring Didsworth Comprehensive but becomes Lord Harris Carpets Asteroid of Magnificence Academy of Braininess. Then the school becomes free to pursue business deals with companies who can sell equipment inside the school, and offer sponsorship, so kids can be taught the Hewlett Packard seven times table, to enhance the multiplying experience.

Also, heads are finally free to set the wage rates of everyone at the school, including their own. Occasionally they double their own salary, because you can’t expect kids to study chemistry when they’re distracted by worries about how the head scrapes by on only £90,000 a year. They get so disturbed their tears make the potassium explode.”


For the details of this failed attempt to turn a school into an academy:-
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/weve-won-the-battle-to-prevent-our-school-becoming-an-academy-9756328.html
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Post by stuart torr Sat Sep 27, 2014 9:54 pm

That is how it will be with the NHS Ivan, nurses on each ward sponsored by different companies, IE the Hewlett Packard Ward, the British Gas x-ray department ETC.
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Post by oftenwrong Sat Sep 27, 2014 11:00 pm

Your soiled bedlinen is sponsored by GrabaBuck Laundries Inc.
Have a nice day!
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Post by stuart torr Sun Sep 28, 2014 4:53 pm

Linen only changed once a week, saving money of course, sponsored by layinshit ltd, have a nice day patients. Sleep Sleep
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Post by stuart torr Fri Nov 28, 2014 4:20 am

Would that also happen to the privatised schools under the tories?
The brainier kids going to Einsteins Junior school and the not so bright ones going to Beano's Secondary?
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