Is it time that we took a closer look at UKIP?

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The UKIP vote in Eastleigh rose from 3.6% in 2010 to 27.8% in the by-election on Thursday. It may have been because the party is mopping up the mid-term protest votes which traditionally went to the Liberal Democrats before they climbed into bed with the devil in May 2010. It may be because many people – wrongly - feel that the three main parties in Westminster are “all the same”, a feeling which the Tories have helped to create by transferring so much real power from democratic accountability to unelected and unaccountable corporations as they privatise everything on which they can lay their grubby hands. What I don’t believe is that this bubble of support for UKIP is because of the party’s reactionary, right-wing policies, which aim to take us back to the 1950s.

The one policy which everyone associates with UKIP is withdrawal from the EU. UKIP has claimed that by leaving the EU, the UK would save over £45 million a day plus £60 billion a year, conveniently ignoring any EU rebates and regional grants. I’m not sure where it gets those figures from, since the Treasury says that the UK paid £8.9 billion into EU budget in 2010/11 (out of £706 billion of public spending). The European Commission puts the UK's net contribution at £5.85 billion.

The EU is the UK's main trading partner, accounting for 52% of our total trade in goods and services; if Britain went for a clean break from the EU, its exports would be subject to EU export tariffs. Millions of jobs could be lost as global manufacturers move to low-cost countries within the EU, and Britain's foreign-owned car industry might well shift into the EU. However, withdrawal from the EU was the issue which UKIP exploited and which put it on the political map. With his half-baked promise of a referendum at some point in the future, the idiotic Cameron has increased UKIP’s credibility by showing that he’s afraid of it.

Cameron also said that UKIP is “full of fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists", and perhaps on that last point he could now be right. The Eastleigh by-election showed that UKIP is appealing to racists, causing one person on Twitter to refer to it as “the BNP for the Notting Hill set”. UKIP may be more subtle than the BNP, but it wants to freeze immigration, pandering to the Alf Garnetts who see all foreigners as problems, and has even thrown in the contentious claim that “multiculturalism has split our society”.

In December 2011, the UK had 88,179 people in prison, more per head of the population than any other country in Europe, yet UKIP wants to double the number of prison places. UKIP says that the £2 billion cost of building new prisons is negligible compared to the cost of crime, but it hasn’t factored in the cost of keeping prisoners in jail, which amounts to at least £40,000 a year for each of them. Yet UKIP would refuse to accept European Arrest Warrants, which could well mean delays for the UK in extraditing suspects from other European countries.

The NHS would be no safer with UKIP than it’s been with the Tories, since the party believes that “other models are worth considering to see whether lessons can be learned from abroad”. On education, UKIP wants to bring back grammar schools, so that we can once again tell about 80% of eleven-year-olds that they’re failures, while at the same time giving parents education vouchers, which would be a way of subsidising private school fees.

The cornerstone of UKIP’s tax policies is to roll the employee national insurance and basic rate income tax into a flat rate of income tax of 31%. There would be no higher rate tax, since UKIP perpetuates the Tory lie that the 50% income tax rate cost the economy money; it hasn’t, it has brought in £2.7 billion a year. UKIP’s policy would be a massive tax cut for the rich, far bigger than the one that’s being introduced by the Tories in April. Even greater inequality would be created by abolishing national insurance for employers.

UKIP policies, like so many Tory ones, amount to an attack on our rights. UKIP would put an end to most legislation regarding matters such as weekly working hours, holidays, overtime, redundancy and sick pay, while leaving it up to each employer to decide whether to offer parental leave. It says it would also scrap most ‘equality and discrimination’ legislation.

If you need any more reasons not to vote for UKIP, it denies climate change and would make increased defence spending “a clear priority, even in these difficult times”. It opposes equal marriage, would hold a referendum in each county on ending the hunting ban and would allow smoking in allocated rooms in public houses, clubs and hotels. It’s no wonder that UKIP has been likened to “the political wing of a Home Counties golf club”.

You may not like the EU, and you may think that after 38 years it’s time to hold another referendum on our membership. However, before you vote for a party that makes that its flagship policy, look a little more closely at what else you would be voting for at the same time.

Sources used:-

http://www.ukip.org/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20448450

Should we judge politicians by the company they keep?  

UKIP does deal with far-right, racist Holocaust-denier to save EU funding

From an article by Rajeev Syal:-

UKIP has struck a deal with a Polish MEP whose party leader casually uses racial slurs and questions the Holocaust, following fears that its grouping in Europe would lose millions of pounds in taxpayers’ funds. Farage’s Europe of Freedom and Direct Democracy group recruited an MEP from the Congress of the New Right with the blessing of its leader Janusz Korwin-Mikke. The Polish MEP Robert Iwaszkiewicz is to join the EFDD’s ranks as an individual, which will restore the group. The deal means that the EFDD group, set up by Farage, has 25 MEPs from 7 countries, which should guarantee that UKIP maintains about £1m a year in funding. The group received £2.1m in 2013; UKIP accounts for 53.3% of the group.

In July, Korwin-Mikke, whose party has two remaining MEPs and received 7.5% support in Poland during May’s EU elections, declared that the minimum wage should be “destroyed”, adding that “4 million n*gg*rs” lost their jobs in the USA after President Kennedy signed a bill on the minimum wage in 1961. He claimed that 20 million young Europeans were being treated as “negroes” as a result of the minimum wage. Korwin-Mikke has also called for the vote to be taken away from women, has claimed that the difference between rape and consensual sex is “very subtle” and said that Hitler was “probably not aware that Jews were being exterminated”.

Marine Le Pen, the leader of the Front National, ruled out forming an alliance with the Congress of the New Right after the European elections.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/oct/20/ukip-does-deal-with-far-right-to-save-european-grouping

Ivan Ukip is no different to the Tories they will DO ANYTHING for money that will help the B(W)ankers and the Hedge Fund Mangers.

That UKIP brain diagram is offensive and totally unjustified.

For a start the implied capacity is far too large and is, in any event, wholly superfluous, since it must be obvious to anyone that the task of supporting UKIP carries no requirement for such an organ in the first place.

Aside of the thin veneer provided by a few of the more prominent and articulate of the species, the party is probably best represented by the likes of knuckle-dragging BNP rejects whose best imitation of coherent speech is a primeval grunt, and the ability to just about manage an 'x' on the ballot paper ( it's so helpful that it doesn't require the ability to know if the ballot is actually the right way up).

So let's have no more of these inaccurate slurs about the latest fashion in UK politics...

Bread and Circuses. How long has that policy been around?

Just had a call from the labour candidate and after the chat with regards about the UKIP, From what I have learnt from this forum he thought I was very knowledgable ahah.

Cutting Edge is always at your service, Stuart.

Many thanks OW, and most helpful you are too to help me learn more and more each day, many thanks

I rang their freefone number to find out what their environment/social security policies were because they still don't have a manifesto (despite saying one would be out by their conference).

The office bod couldn't tell me. Instead they said I should email the relevant persons: Roger Helmer is their environment person. He's a massage loving homophobe and more importantly a climate change denialist (as they all are).

They couldn't offer a social security person. Perhaps for the best. I imagine we can all guess their benefits policy.

So far as an administrative infrastructure is concerned , one can imagine that UKIP has what is popularly (and accurately) described as 'bugger all'.

Once this aspect of their organisation is better understood and recognised , they will start to be seen as what they are - a shoddy shambles, accommodated in a cast-off shipping container in some back street, with nothing to offer but slogans and bile.

Can't come a day too soon...

Do not also forget Phil, the cast off Tories too.

Can anyone detect the far from appetising prospect developing of a coalition between the Tories and UKIP ( and a ragbag of any other like-minded hangers-on) after May 2015 with the few LibDems cosying up to Labour ( and its new leader) in opposition?

What time does the next boat leave...?

I just hope you have got this one very wrong PH, Tories and Ukip coalition would be dire for the people of the UK which I believe would cause the people of the UK to rise up in REVOLUTION.   One good thing that would come out of it would be that the people would see the Ukip in there true colours.

Who do you think you are kidding, Mr Farage?  


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What do you actually mean by the diagram Ivan, as I have just finished watching a dvd and this is the first post to see and get back into things so to speak.

stuart. It suggests that things have been reversed since the WW2 events portrayed in the 'Dad's Army' series. The fascists have got a foothold in Britain, and our hope of being liberated from them lies with the good guys across the Channel.

On a lighter note....

Monster Raving Loony Party: “UKIP is stealing our thunder”

From an article by Tom Rowley:-

It’s a tough time to be a loony. The party is "hemorrhaging money", membership fell by a third last year and its leader only pulled in a paltry 127 votes in the Clacton by-election. “I’ve told everyone to tighten their belts” reads the Official Monster Raving Loony Party’s latest set of accounts, which blames rising expenses claims as well as dwindling membership receipts for their deficit. “I am hoping the party can move away from selling t-shirts and pay for our campaigns through crowdfunding.”

Have we at last tired of the party that once elected a cat as its co-leader and now promises a three-way referendum on the EU (In, Out, or Shake It All About)? Not so, insist the Loonies. They have another explanation for their current spell in the doldrums: UKIP.

“We’re a longer-standing party than UKIP but they’re stealing our thunder” says ‘Mad’ Mike Young, a retired chemist acting as election agent in their latest contest in Rochester and Strood. “They’re coming up with crazy things.” He is particularly upset by the party’s yellow-and-purple logo. “They were our colours first. But we’ll still be here when they’ve given up. They won’t out-loony us.” And so the party is determined to fight an even less sane campaign than usual for the seat, which holds its by-election on 20 November. They plan to introduce a 99p coin and say they could halve the dole queue overnight – by making jobseekers stand two abreast.

If you can take any more of this:-
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11182737/Monster-Raving-Loony-party-Ukip-stealing-our-thunder.html

Absolutely bloody brilliant Ivan, certainly better than voting for UKIP, AND A DAMN SIGHT MORE FUN.

Get them all one before the elections, but would the voters realise what the effing thing meant, I doubt it.

Do apostrophes matter? It looks as if they do!  

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I apologize for slipping up on my English occasionally, there are other's that slip up for not using a capital after a full-stop etc.

Hello Phil.
What is the face for? remembered the question mark.

Have I got this right? Mark Reckless defects from the Tory Party to UKIP, resigns from Parliament to fight a by-election in his old seat of Rochester and Strood and then calls himself the candidate for change?  


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I think we're getting the message. Vote Tory get Tory. Vote UKIP, get Tory. Vote Lib-Dem get Tory. Vote anything but Labour - Get Tory.

Vote anything but Labour OW and be careful what you tread in.

I agree with you all but the problem is the people of Rochester & Strood need to see it OW & stuart we the Intelligant of the UK can see it perhaps the people of R & S need to really wake up and smell the coffee is six months enough time for them to wake up ??

They happen to have their fingers in their ears at the moment though Redflag singing lalalala

stuart torr wrote:They happen to have their fingers in their ears at the moment though Redflag singing lalalala

Let hope that six months is enough time for the Tories & Ukip is enough time for them to put there "FOOT RIGHT IN IT" so the public see what they really are.

Or both bloody feet Redflag.

stuart torr wrote:Or both bloody feet Redflag.

There big size 12s stuart.

Now that is what I call both bloody feet are you sure he wasn't an ex copper?

Film shows Nigel Farage calling for move away from state-funded NHS

Farage has been caught on camera telling UKIP supporters that the state-funded NHS should move towards an insurance-based system run by private companies:-

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/12/film-nigel-farage-insurance-based-nhs-private-companies

Well that sounds a brilliant idea to me like I know full well it does for you too Ivan.

Nothing in this world would get me to vote Ukip stuart, because I know Ukip is just a more far right party than the Tories I just wish that the people of the UK would wake up and see what Farage is all about.

They will not do that Redflag whilst being spoonfed it by the tory rags

What I should have mentioned is that the "10 great reasons to vote UKIP" listed above come from a book written by Suzanne Evans, the deputy chairperson of UKIP.  

Oh I knew it was a good source from where you got your information Ivan.

Last Saturday, whilst out on #labourdoorstep, I was talking to a constituent, who has a voting history of Labour - she told me that she would be voting UKIP... I asked her if she was in favour of privatising our NHS - her answer was a vehement NO!
Needless to say, she'll be voting Labour next May

I know Sharon the amount of tories that bought shares in or the company itself of private nursing goods that private hospitals need prior to their privatisation of the NHS and the profits they made

Mark Reckless claim that EU migrants could be asked to leave overruled by UKIP

UKIP disowns remark by former Tory, saying it is not the party’s policy to round up migrants and put them on a boat at Dover.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/nov/19/ukip-mark-reckless-immigrants-rochester-and-strood