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Can God love? (Part 1)

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Can God love? (Part 1)

Post by Greatest I am on Wed Apr 25, 2012 9:40 pm

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Can God love?

We are told that the mythical bible God is love or the epitome of love.

Archetypal Jesus said that we would know his people by the love, deeds and actions they showed others.

Jesus gave us examples of the deeds and works. Feed the poor, love all our neighbours, do not sin and many others.

Love then, seems to Jesus, to be something that must be shown by deeds, actions and works to be alive and true love. Love, like faith, without works is dead. Both St. James and Jesus agree on this.

It follows then that if God is not doing something to show this love then the love for man expressed in scriptures is wrong and God cannot love.

You are in the image of God. When you love someone you show them that love by works and deeds. This is how the recipient of that love knows it is there and that allows for reciprocity.  You will agree that without reciprocity, true love cannot exist between two individuals. We must do things for each other for true love to exist.

Imagine what those you love would think if you never did anything to express your love. Imagine what you would think of the love of others towards you if they never did anything to show they loved you.  See what I mean. Love always must have deeds to be real and true and reciprocity must be at play.

Love then has no choice but to be expressed if it is true love.

We are told that God loved his son so much that he planned to have him sacrificed even before the earth was created. This human sacrifice or any other human sacrifice, voluntary or not, is immoral and the notion that it is good to sacrifice an innocent victim to give the guilty believers a free ride into heaven is a completely self-gratifying notion and is completely immoral. One does not show love for someone by having them sacrificed for the sins of others when God himself stated that we are all responsible for our own salvation and cannot put that responsibility of the shoulders of a scapegoat Jesus.

Does love need deeds and works to be expressed?

Have you seen God express his love for us lately?

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Post by Tosh on Fri Sep 21, 2012 1:10 pm

Evolution does not just explain our physical origins, it explains much if not all of our psychological and emotional traits, Darwin himself saw the difference between us and chimps as quantitive.

Chimps can love, nurture, empathise, sympathise, reciporacate, cooperate and show compassion in lesser degrees than ourselves, our higher levels of awareness has simply enhanced them and adapted them.

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Post by polyglide on Sat Sep 22, 2012 11:25 am

Tosh, you almost convince me regarding evolution, because if there is anything nearer having the intelligence of a monkey than you, I would be afraid to meet it.

All animals are programmed to carry out their intended place in the echo system and we have no real idea of why certain animals portray certain characteristics but God would have worked it all out so that left alone all kinds of life would exist in harmony, mankind has by interferance changed many original creations and to his detriment in the final analysist which is not yet evident but soon will be.
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Post by oftenwrong on Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:35 pm

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Re: Can God love? (Part 1)

Post by Tosh on Sat Sep 22, 2012 1:57 pm

Tosh, you almost convince me regarding evolution, because if there is anything nearer having the intelligence of a monkey than you, I would be afraid to meet it.

Tad harsh, steady on there girl, I am beginning to feel unloved.

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All animals are programmed to carry out their intended place in the echo system and we have no real idea of why certain animals portray certain characteristics quote]

We are animals, and we have worked out how they all wok, its called DNA instructions. a survival code selected by nature. Chimps share 97% of our DNA code and this explains why we share many common psychological traits.

but God would have worked it all out so that left alone all kinds of life would exist in harmony, mankind has by interferance changed many original creations and to his detriment in the final analysist which is not yet evident but soon will be.[/

Mankind did not interfere in the dinosaurs, why did God create them and then destroy them ?


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Post by oftenwrong on Sat Sep 22, 2012 6:57 pm

The evidence is that we have direct descendants of the dinosaurs still amongst us. We call them birds, but their skeletal form is clearly a direct relation of the million-year-old fossils of dinosaurs.

Mankind is however doing its best to destroy the edible varieties.
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Re: Can God love? (Part 1)

Post by Tosh on Sat Sep 22, 2012 7:56 pm

The evidence is that we have direct descendants of the dinosaurs still amongst us. We call them birds, but their skeletal form is clearly a direct relation of the million-year-old fossils of dinosaurs.

This is evidence of Macro-evolution, I haven't a clue what you think it is evidence of, or what it has to do with the topic at hand.

Have you been drinking, the quality of your posts is diminishing rapidlly.

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Re: Can God love? (Part 1)

Post by Tosh on Sat Sep 22, 2012 7:59 pm

Will someone please point out to oftenwrong that T-Rex did not evolve into a chicken, all large dinosaurs became extinct 65 million years ago due to God sending a comet to kill them, only raptors survived, and they evolved into birds.

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Re: Can God love? (Part 1)

Post by oftenwrong on Sat Sep 22, 2012 10:36 pm

A hundred lines to please the anal

A dinosaur is not a raptor
etc., etc., etc., x 100
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Re: Can God love? (Part 1)

Post by Tosh on Sun Sep 23, 2012 12:19 am

A dinosaur is not a raptor

A raptor is a dinosaur, God did not kill all the types of dinosaur, only the freakin big ones.

When do you plan to get to the point or are you just being pedantic ?

How is my spelling ?
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Post by Tosh on Sun Sep 23, 2012 10:41 am

Theistic evolution is no less wonky in its thinking than creationism, although it does not contradict science, it contradicts basic common sense.

The hypothesis goes sumfin like this:

One entity outwith space-time programmed the universe in such a way that the inevitable outcome was Moses standing next to a burning bush some 13.7 billion years into the programme. In order to achieve this, the entity predetermined every single physical action, including asteroid/comet collisions, genetic mutation, survival of the fittest, and the ever changing climate and environments pressurising organic life. It programmes a cycle of creation and destruction on one planet out of trillions, and created human life through the most brutal and sadistic mechanism, Natural Selection.

In a nutshell I am expected to believe an all powerful being chooses to create and kill 95% of all life it created, in order to create not just humans but freakin GOOD humans.

It then sits about twiddling its thumbs for 250,000 years after we finally evolve and then decides to reveal its presence only to some camel herders in a desert.

Would it not have been simpler and kinder to create humans out of matter, save millions of years of unnecessary bloodshed and pain and reveal itself to everyone ?

I am supposed to believe the purpose of the universe is human morality, or to be more specific....SEX.

What is wrong with you people, have you lost your minds ?


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Post by Mel on Sun Sep 23, 2012 7:16 pm

Tosh I am wondering why you are going to such trouble to attempt to convince us believers that God does not exist.

You will never be able to prove your point until you cease to exist on earth. We shall never enjoy the luxury of meeting each other after death as I shall be with God in heaven and you will undoutably be in hell with the Devil and perhaps your STUFFED dog. Crying or Very sad
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Post by snowyflake on Sun Sep 23, 2012 8:10 pm

You will never be able to prove your point until you cease to exist on earth. We shall never enjoy the luxury of meeting each other after death as I shall be with God in heaven and you will undoutably be in hell with the Devil and perhaps your STUFFED dog. Crying or Very sad

When you cease to exist, you cease to exist. There isn't any part of you that carries on into an afterlife. We know this because we know that the essence of a person is in their brain and is part of brain function. When your brain dies that's it, you die. Suggesting anything else is at best delusion and fantasy and at worst an outright lie. But if people want to take comfort from that you go right ahead. Just don't tell me it's the truth because that's just irritating.
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Re: Can God love? (Part 1)

Post by oftenwrong on Sun Sep 23, 2012 10:24 pm

There isn't any part of you that carries on into an afterlife.

That's 99% of the World's religions stuffed, then.
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Post by polyglide on Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:15 am

Snowflake, I agree that the brain is the most important part of the human and that when one dies the actual physical brain will perish but not that which it has experienced,

Why do you think we have a brain and how it came about? how and why do you think we are actually able to discuss matters such as we do?

You can be certain that humans have many choices far beyond any other living thing and when you consider the state of the world and the suffering of thousands of our fellow men/women and just who is to blame one starts to wonder just how we have misused and abused all that was on offer to us.

Snowflake, there is much in this world to make one cry and to make one wonder about God etc; but do not forget as well as a loving God there is also a wicked and evil Devil.
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Post by Tosh on Mon Sep 24, 2012 3:20 pm

Tosh I am wondering why you are going to such trouble to attempt to convince us believers that God does not exist.

You may not know this but Christianity is an evangelical religion, strange you as a Christian should ask this question.


You will never be able to prove your point until you cease to exist on earth. We shall never enjoy the luxury of meeting each other after death as I shall be with God in heaven and you will undoutably be in hell with the Devil and perhaps your STUFFED dog

If you believe heaven and hell does indeed exist then you and my stuffed dog share much in common, both are brain dead. Very Happy


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Post by Tosh on Mon Sep 24, 2012 3:24 pm

There isn't any part of you that carries on into an afterlife.

We measure all brain activity, and when it all stops our mind ceases to exist, there is no ghost in the machine.

That's 99% of the World's religions stuffed, then..

I live in hope.
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Post by Tosh on Mon Sep 24, 2012 3:37 pm

I agree that the brain is the most important part of the human and that when one dies the actual physical brain will perish but not that which it has experienced,


Our experiences are stored in our brain, it is called memory, you are suggesting our memories live on after the memory ceases to function and decomposes into mush.

Our memory is affected by trauma, age and illness, but you think it survives DEATH intact.

The evolution of the brain and its emergent property of consciousness are studied by neuroscientists, they are mapping its functions as we speak.

Consciousness is a crowd of voices observing our senses, it is an awareness committee trying to make sense of our sensory input, it only appears to be just one voice.

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Post by Tosh on Mon Sep 24, 2012 3:41 pm

but do not forget as well as a loving God there is also a wicked and evil Devil.
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You do make me giggle when you post tripe with such sincerity.
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Post by Mel on Mon Sep 24, 2012 4:31 pm

"If you believe heaven and hell does indeed exist then you and my stuffed dog share much in common, both are brain dead. "

He who laughs last laughs longest. Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

I am certain that I shall be going to heaven Tosh, because I am good, caring and considerate to others and God loves me.
In addition to that as far as you and I are concerned, I know that I am much smarter than you. You have so inadvertantly made a real good job of proving that to me, rather than making such a bad job of proving that God does not exist.
Keep trying and failing, I find it most amusing and yet rather sad.

God bless (if you ever allow him to do so) Basketball
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Post by Tosh on Mon Sep 24, 2012 5:11 pm

I am certain that I shall be going to heaven Tosh, because I am good, caring and considerate to others and God loves me.

That is an awful lot of certainty based on nothing but subjective perceptions.


In addition to that as far as you and I are concerned, I know that I am much smarter than you.

A smart person is not certain about anything, philosophy 101.

You have so inadvertantly made a real good job of proving that to me, rather than making such a bad job of proving that God does not exist.

Mel, wanna read this back to yourself one more time , you are trying but failing to make sense.

Keep trying and failing, I find it most amusing and yet rather sad.

I think I believe you but I am not certain. Very Happy
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Post by Tosh on Mon Sep 24, 2012 5:27 pm

Mel.

I have given you the many reasons why I believe god or gods do not exist, can you give me just one reason why you are certain one god exists ?
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Post by snowyflake on Mon Sep 24, 2012 9:58 pm

Snowflake, I agree that the brain is the most important part of the human and that when one dies the actual physical brain will perish but not that which it has experienced,

Your experiences are stored in your memory which is housed in your brain. If you have no brain where does the memory go? How does it function without it's essential physical element? You think it just flies off into the ether to congregate with other memories, play a round of golf, go visit God and sing with the angels? Really really really???? (I think you can sense my incredulity here but these bold statements you make are not based on any evidence whatsoever so please present something, anything I can sink my teeth into)

Why do you think we have a brain and how it came about? how and why do you think we are actually able to discuss matters such as we do?

I'm going to stick my neck out here.....evolution?

You can be certain that humans have many choices far beyond any other living thing and when you consider the state of the world and the suffering of thousands of our fellow men/women and just who is to blame one starts to wonder just how we have misused and abused all that was on offer to us.

The world is not as bad as you think it is. There are a small proportion that ruin it for the rest of us but that is why people need to be involved in their communities. Religion has been a major failure in history and doesn't seem to be improving people's lot in life at the present time.


Snowflake, there is much in this world to make one cry and to make one wonder about God etc; but do not forget as well as a loving God there is also a wicked and evil Devil.

Yes, yes and fairies are fornicating at the bottom of my garden. Your brain is trapped, polyglide. A veritable prisoner and no matter what you say, one day you will die and that will be it. There is no need to be afraid of it. What you should be deathly afraid of is wasting your life worshipping non existent superheroes.
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Post by Tosh on Mon Sep 24, 2012 10:35 pm

When we die our memories leave our brain and put a white sheet over themselves and go woooooo!

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Post by oftenwrong on Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:32 pm

When was it that you had that experience? Few others speak with such certainty.
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Post by trevorw2539 on Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:44 pm

2000 years ago the bedouin sitting in his tent said to his friend 'Have you heard about the latest IPod'. 'What ARE you talking about' said his friend.

Now we can send messages and pictures etc through the air with ease.
Unthinkable to our bedouin friend in his primitive tent.

1000 years ago Dai Jones was sitting in his wooden house talking to his friend. 'Have you heard about the minute particle called a quark'. What ARE you talking about', said his friend.

Now we have previously undreamt of methods to discover things thought impossible, or things unheard of.

Our knowledge is limited to the science we know and can use - now.

How many dimensions are there? How many realities are there? Can identical twins transfer thoughts and feelings over distances?
Does a being exist in another dimension?
All we know is based on the answers we get to questions we ask.
Do we know what questions to ask to find 'God'. And does our science have the means to give us the answers, even if we knew how, and what, to ask.

Everybody was sure centuries ago the man was supreme and alone in the Universe. Now I believe it is generally accepted by thinkers that we are probably not.

Many have an experience that leads them to believe that God exists. Who am I to say they are wrong. Who are you to say they are wrong? Your experiences are yours. Theirs are theirs. Two people can have the same experience with differing results.

Reminds me of the driver of a getaway car who was asked 'Why do you paint your car yellow one side and green the other'. To which he replied 'I like to see the witnesses contradict each other'.




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Post by Shirina on Tue Sep 25, 2012 12:33 am

Many have an experience that leads them to believe that God exists.
There are many possible causes for experiences such as these. My father had one and it converted him, unfortunately, and now we see eye to eye on almost nothing. Even his politics have changed (now he's a right-winger). He could describe many aspects of this experience, but the one thing he could not do is explain how he knew it was God. Oh, he was certain of it, of course, but only because he wanted to be. He didn't see God, hear God, nor did God give him a business card. It was simply ... a feeling.

Well, I have all kinds of feelings. For instance, the feeling that there's a homicidal maniac in the house after watching a violent horror movie (I hate them, but my roommate loves them). Then there's the feeling people get when they just know the car at the intersection up ahead is going to pull out in front of them. I've even had those strange, euphoric feelings that rush through you and leave you with a temporary high. But was it God? I doubt it. And ... to believe that these personal epiphanies are truly God is to believe that God picks and chooses who to reveal himself to while ignoring others.
Who am I to say they are wrong. Who are you to say they are wrong? Your experiences are yours. Theirs are theirs. Two people can have the same experience with differing results.

What bothers people is that believers claim they are absolutely certain a God exists and therefore any experiences they have must be the result of God. This assertion is then instantly transferred to their specific religious beliefs so that now their religion is also true. They instantly slam the door on any other possibility, including the possibility that they may be wrong. However, if personal belief stayed personal, who really cares. But that's not how it works. Emboldened by their certainty, they go to the voting stations and vote for gay marriage bans, restrictions on birth control, stiffer abortion laws, permission for kids to bully other kids in the name of religion, for intelligent design to be taught in science classrooms. Some of them begin haunting public libraries trying to get certain books banned, they want certain television shows taken off the air -- especially those that feature gays and atheists, they promote blasphemy laws, they want government-endorsed school prayer back in the classroom, and ... before you know it, people like me find themselves embattled for the continued existence of our precious freedoms.

So you see, what people believe matters in a democratic society. It matters a great deal, especially in the US where religion is never far away from the corridors of power. We atheists and agnostics *have* to be vocal lest we find ourselves in a de facto theocracy. It might not matter much on these boards given that this is primarily for British posters, but I firmly believe that it is important for people to know that religious belief is not the same thing as a belief in a creator. You can see from polyglide's statements about how things would be better if *everyone* were a Christian -- it is a startling example of why religious belief is dangerous.
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Post by Guest on Tue Sep 25, 2012 1:31 am

trevorw2539 wrote:
2000 years ago the bedouin sitting in his tent said to his friend 'Have you heard about the latest IPod'. 'What ARE you talking about' said his friend.

Now we can send messages and pictures etc through the air with ease.
Unthinkable to our bedouin friend in his primitive tent.

1000 years ago Dai Jones was sitting in his wooden house talking to his friend. 'Have you heard about the minute particle called a quark'. What ARE you talking about', said his friend.

Now we have previously undreamt of methods to discover things thought impossible, or things unheard of.

Our knowledge is limited to the science we know and can use - now.

Many have an experience that leads them to believe that God exists. Who am I to say they are wrong. Who are you to say they are wrong? Your experiences are yours. Theirs are theirs. Two people can have the same experience with differing results.

Trevor,

One hundred years ago, the world’s most eminent physicists believed that Newton’s Laws so exhaustively described the universe as to be inviolate. In short order, a Swiss Patent Office employee blew that erroneous assumption out of the water. Now we know that the speed of light is the constant and that time is a variable.

Science, the quest to know truth, is limited in its ability to deliver knowledge of truth. Science can deliver truth only when collectable, analyzable data can be collected and analyzed. The eminent physicists of 1912 could, at that time (1912), neither collect nor analyze data regarding the bending of light, as predicted by Brother Al’s calculations. In fact, Al’s numbers were off until sometime around 1916, when, according to the anecdote, an eminent mathematician present during one of Al’s lectures saw the errors and raced Al to produce the corrected equations. The anecdote doesn’t reveal the race’s winner.

Shortly thereafter, if my memory recalls the time line correctly, during a solar eclipse, an astronomer measured the light from a star bending around the sun exactly as Brother Al’s calculations (or the calculations of his mathematician competitor) predicted. The Royal Academy of Science (correct me if the name is off) rejected his finding, attributing its deviation from Newton’s Laws to possible measurement error.

So a few years later, during another solar eclipse, the astronomer tried again. This time, due to advances in measuring instrumentation, the findings were so precise that the “good old boys” were forced to admit that Al was right and Sir Ike was wrong. Humble pie tastes okay with a little catsup.

So what happens to one’s cognizance after one’s physical death? Collectable, analyzable data addressing this question is nonexistent, so science cannot address, much less offer even tentative answers, to this tantalizing question.
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Post by Mel on Tue Sep 25, 2012 7:52 am

"When we die our memories leave our brain and put a white sheet over themselves and go woooooo!"

Pure guesswork Tosh, unless of course you are already dead and stuffed and joined your dog. Smile
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Post by snowyflake on Tue Sep 25, 2012 8:16 am

So what happens to one’s cognizance after one’s physical death? Collectable, analyzable data addressing this question is nonexistent, so science cannot address, much less offer even tentative answers, to this tantalizing question.

Hi Rock Smile Science has addressed the question. The fact that there is no collectable, analysable data is because there isn't anything to collect or analyse on the physical demise of the brain. This is an age old question and humans are too afraid of dying....'not being'.....that they delude themselves into all kinds of fantasies of an afterlife. It might be comforting to some but I find the whole idea distasteful.

How are you anyway? Hope you and yours are well. Smile
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Post by Tosh on Tue Sep 25, 2012 12:56 pm

When was it that you had that experience?

Deductive logic is not based on an experience, it is based on scientific evidence and reason, consciousness is a property of brain activity, this activity is measured and is currently being mapped by neuroscience. Our consciousness/brain activity can be severely damaged by a simple trauma or stroke, and there is no evidence of any consciousness/brain activity after the brain dies.

Lets have a look at the other side of the coin, there is not one shred of evidence or reason to presuppose our consciousness survives brain death.
All the phenomena people quote are invalid, the brain is not dead, this leaves primitive beliefs from our ignorant past as the sole support for immortality. It does not take too much imagination to guess how this belief came about post cognisance, we became aware of our dreams, it appeared as if we left our bodies while we slept and floated about like a genie out of a bottle. Our earliest religious beliefs are dream-centric, do the math.


Few others speak with such certainty..

I would appreciate you not inventing positions I do not hold, science and rationality deal in probabilities, I believe consciousness after death is highly improbable, about as improbable as a mythical god from the bronze age existing.

Science is not wasting much time researching the immortal soul despite its potential importance, I wonder why ?

People that hang on to primtive superstitions do so to deny death, we will do anything and think anything to survive.


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Post by Tosh on Tue Sep 25, 2012 1:19 pm

So what happens to one’s cognizance after one’s physical death? Collectable, analyzable data addressing this question is nonexistent, so science cannot address, much less offer even tentative answers, to this tantalizing question.
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Immortality is not a tantalizing question, it is an unsupported hypothesis, a bare assertion devoid of reason. No different to me claiming there is a spaghetti monster in space, anything may indeed be possible but reality is based on what is probable.

I tire of lame analogies demonstrating science doesn't know everything, what this has to do with what we do know is beyond me, our consciousness is physical just like our body, it evolved from our physical brain and noone is suggesting our brain or body survives death.

Chimps have partial consciousness, they have a basic form of self awareness, do their souls live on after death or do they have to believe in god to acheve this immortal prize ?



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Post by Tosh on Tue Sep 25, 2012 1:27 pm

Can identical twins transfer thoughts and feelings over distances?

Nope, not one iota of evidence exists of any psychic phenomena, its all pure bunkum.

What has other dimensions, universes or life forms got to do with a god existing or our physical consciousness evolving from our physical brain in this universe and in our dimensions?

Evolution created our consciousness, it wasn't transplanted into us by god or aliens from other dimensions or universes.


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Re: Can God love? (Part 1)

Post by Tosh on Tue Sep 25, 2012 1:34 pm

Try and find the common denominator amongst the following:

Psychic phenomena.
Ghosts.
Souls.
God and heaven.
Universal consciousness.

Yep, you got it, they all infer immortality and deny death.

Our consciousess is an extension of our DNA programme to survive, death denial is an adaptation of this instruction.




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Re: Can God love? (Part 1)

Post by Tosh on Tue Sep 25, 2012 1:50 pm

A simple 4.5 volt electric charge into an area of the brain is enough to convince our consciousness that it freely chose to lift a leg or raise a figure.

Free Will is an illusion.

Watch Stephen Hawking's series " The Grand Design ".
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Re: Can God love? (Part 1)

Post by Tosh on Tue Sep 25, 2012 1:53 pm

Relgion and the supernatural are products of a lazy mind, get off your ass and create your own meaning to life and fill it full of as many purposes as you want.

Stop relying on some primitive sand dwellers ignorant concepts.
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Re: Can God love? (Part 1)

Post by Tosh on Tue Sep 25, 2012 3:58 pm

Pure guesswork Tosh,

I will take deductive logic, evidence and reason over superstition anytime, you obviously prefer the latter, funny that innit ? Basketball
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Re: Can God love? (Part 1)

Post by Tosh on Tue Sep 25, 2012 5:07 pm

Anthropological studies of hunter-gatherer religions show that neither creation nor immortality were common ingredients, these two fundamentals did not appear until fairly recenly in human history, possibly due to a sedentary lifestyle following farming, domestication of animals and fixed communities.

Physically seperating ourselves from nature led us to psychologically seperate ourselves from nature, we focussed less on being just part of nature and focussed more on distinguishing ourselves from nature. Our status seeking genes considered urbanised humans to be superior or special as against other lifeforms in nature, and we must have been created this way for a reason.

It seems we were atheists for most of our history.


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Re: Can God love? (Part 1)

Post by Mel on Tue Sep 25, 2012 5:17 pm

"I will take deductive logic, evidence and reason over superstition anytime, you obviously prefer the latter, funny that innit ? "

Perhaps you do not actually exist Tosh and are therefore perhaps just a figment of my imagination. One can always hope I suppose. Basketball
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Re: Can God love? (Part 1)

Post by Tosh on Tue Sep 25, 2012 5:48 pm

One can always hope I suppose.

Hope, imagine, dream, pray etc etc...I sense a thinking pattern here. Very Happy









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Re: Can God love? (Part 1)

Post by oftenwrong on Tue Sep 25, 2012 5:49 pm

There are no atheists in the foxholes

(Lieutenant Colonel Warren J. Clear)

Discuss.
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Re: Can God love? (Part 1)

Post by Guest on Tue Sep 25, 2012 5:56 pm

oftenwrong wrote:
There are no atheists in the foxholes

(anonymous infantryman, WW2)

Discuss.

I’ve been told that the quote is absolutely true. It might help to remember what the underlined text means when used by me.

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