Should all schools be mandated to teach creationism?

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Billion + believe in Satan. Should all schools be mandated to teach Creationism?

We must save our children from foolish belief in the supernatural.

Education is the only tool that we have to drag ourselves and our children out of ignorance and superstition and that education should include that it is foolish to read myth literally. No more Dark Ages should be allowed.

Comparative Religion should be taught to insure that no child is lost to creationist intellectual dissonance. We must expose our children to Comparative Religion as soon as they can understand Evolution which would be taught alongside of it.

To do less would be shirking our duty to our children and their young minds. If you do not supports this type of all-inclusive education, please show why you oppose it?

Remember that when President Bush backed up stem cell research, it gave other countries a chance to advance away from the U.S. and hurt the U.S economy.

If the U.S. fails to educate it’s children properly in Comparative Religion and Evolution --- and the various sciences that stem from it, --- the U.S. will shrink it’s economy and power as compared to those countries who have a fuller and more intelligent education program.

Do you agree that it is the duty of the U.S. education system to maintain a first world standard of education in the teaching of Creationism, Comparative Religion and Evolution, --- and catch up to more intelligent countries?

Regards
DL

Greatest I am wrote:-
If we went by your standards, the U.N. would vanish as most of their members do not pass the U.N. charter on human rights. Not even the U.S. although they talk a great line.

The West does not walk its talk any better than Christianity or Islam.

You made this exact post before and your point escaped me then as well. I made no mention of the UN or the West.  Universal human rights are the answer,  not replacing established religions with new hokum superstitions.

Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD wrote:You made this exact post before and your point escaped me then as well. I made no mention of the UN or the West.  Universal human rights are the answer,  not replacing established religions with new hokum superstitions.

I agree and was pointing out how even with rules, we tend to ignore them.

We do not walk our talk.

Regards
DL

Oh ye of little faith and even less understanding.

Hello PG.
I hope you had a good Christmas and new year.
To whom were you referring may I ask? was it GIa?

Hi PG.

I try not to base my reasoning on faith. If you want to see how valid faith based reasoning is just take a tour of any mental institution and chat to the most severe delusionals.

What is it you're claiming I don't understand?

Hi Stu.
Yes, thankfully I had a good Christmas, after having all my teeth out and all the other problems related to old age and I trust you had the same, I can assure you I prayed that you would.

Not the problems with old age of course.

I hope all went well with your daughter, I do think about your circustances.

regards.

You can have mentally handicapped people from all walks of life, some believe in fairies others in any manner of things others feel irrational.

This also applies to religious people who do not understand all the implications and distort the actual facts.

I have deep concern for both handicaped and mentaly ill people and feel I would in no way use them to either support or deny my own belief.

Many thanks P.G. so kind of you to spare me a thought, which is more than some of my so called friends did.
I had a very nice time with my daughter too thank-you smiles all around.
So sorry to hear about your health problems,I do hope that they have improved by now.

Hi Stu.
Very pleased to hear you had a good time.

I have nothing to grumble about regarding my health although we all would like perfect health.

I know hundreds far worse off.

On a lighter note.

My wife goes mad at me for not hearing half she says as my hearing aids are in a draw, she goes mad about my false teeth which are always in a glass in the bathroom and that is pobably why I am hairless.

Regards.

You sound like myself in a way P.G.
I also have a hearing problem, and when my hair decided to leave me I now just shave it off, which fortunately makes me look younger.

Please have personal conversations via our private messaging system. Having them on threads such as this one just destroys the discussion of the subject. Thank you.

polyglide wrote:You can have mentally handicapped people from all walks of life, some believe in fairies others in any manner of things others feel irrational.

This also applies to religious people who do not understand all the implications and distort the actual facts.

I have deep concern for both handicaped and mentaly ill people and feel I would in no way use them to either support or deny my own belief.

This is not really grasping my point to be honest, and I assure you that as an atheist I also have concern and compassion for people unfortunate enough to suffer mental illness.

You posted..

Polly Glide wrote:Oh ye of little faith and even less understanding.

My comment about mental institutions was not a derogation of people unfortunate enough to suffer mental illness, it was merely to illustrate how deeply flawed human faith is for seeking truth, or even reality. What's being claimed is largely irrelevant, the point is that if all you have is faith then fairies are as valid as Christianity. Nor does it require personal opinion to point out that belief based on faith is irrational, that's self evident. The confidence you have in your own faith when others with equal confidence in their faith believe you are wrong, and you they, simply illustrates how subjective faith is. Pointing out how flawed faith based beliefs are is at least consistent.

You also still haven't said what it is I don't understand or why?

To get back on topic the relevance of this point was that creationism is entirely faith based, as can be evidenced by the fact that in all the thousands of years theists have made such claims they've not managed to produce any evidence that has stood up to proper scientific scrutiny. Hence I don't think it's reasonable for it to form part of a child's education if it's being taught in any context other than a secular account of religion and religious beliefs in an historical context. With the caveat of course that proper scientific evidence is taught to show that evolution is at least as well evidenced by science as the theory of gravity or relativity.

polyglide wrote:You can have mentally handicapped people from all walks of life, some believe in fairies others in any manner of things others feel irrational.

This also applies to religious people who do not understand all the implications and distort the actual facts.

I have deep concern for both handicaped and mentaly ill people and feel I would in no way use them to either support or deny my own belief.

If yours is a creator God, do you not wonder why he would create such humans?

Regards
DL

That is one of the reasons that I am an atheist GIa, it proves that there is no gods in this world.

stuart torr wrote:That is one of the reasons that I am an atheist GIa, it proves that there is no gods in this world.

There are many Gods. Just not the miracle working type.

Regards
DL

As an atheist I do not believe in any GIa.

stuart torr wrote:As an atheist I do not believe in any GIa.

Google Father Complex from Freud and Jung and if you cannot dither out that our ideal is a Godlike character or great father-like character, semantics ignored, then you are not worth my time as you can no longer learn.

Regards
DL

Greatest I am wrote:Google Father Complex from Freud and Jung and if you cannot dither out that our ideal is a Godlike character or great father-like character, semantics ignored, then you are not worth my time as you can no longer learn.

So you make an un evidenced premise,  challenge Stu to research it,  then claim it's his fault if he doesn't believe it afterward.

You even finish with a derogation of his intellect if he refuses to accept your un evidence premise.  

Do you really think this represents compelling polemic?

To be honest you're so vague about what you believe it's hard to understand what you're actually claiming half the time. The rest of your claims self evidently require no deity, no belifs, and no superstition.  Yet I still find myself deeply sceptical about what you're actually "selling" here, as there are enough spurious claims and dodgy YouTube video presentations to make me deeply sceptical.

All the disabilities and illnesses can be attributed to the manner in which man has deviated from what he was told would be in his best interests.

If you purchased an item and you were told it was not to be taken intenally and you ingnored the advice and were poisoned who would be to blame?

Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD wrote:I still find myself deeply sceptical about what you're actually "selling" here, as there are enough spurious claims and dodgy YouTube video presentations to make me deeply sceptical.

I sell the supremacy of man. If you cannot fathom man being the only one fit to rule men then you will not get what I am selling.

At the same time I sell the notion that we have a higher mind that can be accessed through our pineal gland and meditation.

If you cannot accept those in large part then yes, you will never get what I sell.

Regards
DL

polyglide wrote:All the disabilities and illnesses can be attributed to the manner in which man has deviated from what he was told would be in his best interests.

If you purchased an item and you were told it was not to be taken intenally and you ingnored the advice and were poisoned who would be to blame?

I see that you have chosen to remain in ignorant bliss with your head way up your God's ass.

Strange that as a human that that is all you would aspire to. Quite a disability and illness that.

Regards
DL

What with your beliefs GIa, and you insult a christian like that? not even I insult a believer in anyway like that especially not P.G.

stuart torr wrote:What with your beliefs GIa, and you insult a christian like that? not even I insult a believer in anyway like that especially not P.G.

I am just more truthful than you are.

Regards
DL

I will not say what I think of you GIa as I may break rules and upset any ladies on the forum.

Hi Stu,
You do not have to say what GIa is, he does it so well himself.

I may be an atheist P.G.
But I would fight to the death your right to say what you wish without being insulted for it.

polyglide wrote:Hi Stu,
         You do not have to say what GIa is, he does it so well himself.

The one thing I can say is that I am not as misogynistic as most in your religion.

My religion believes in equality while your does not.
My religion believes in total love of all while yours will hate most as most are destined for the wide road to the hell that you want your God to send them to.

Regards
DL

stuart torr wrote:I may be an atheist P.G.
But I would fight to the death your right to say what you wish without being insulted for it.

Yes. Like kill all the little witches and gays you can find.

Fight for that right as they kill both groups.

African witches and Jesus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlRG9gXriVI

Death to Gays.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyuKLyGUHNE

Fight hard for that free speech and watch the body count rise. Free speech is great.

Regards
DL

There is a correct way to put things without actually having the intention of hurting anyones feelings but Greatest I am puts this to the test and is a perfect example of why some people fail.

polyglide wrote:There is a correct way to put things without actually having the intention of hurting anyones feelings but Greatest I am puts this to the test and is a perfect example of why some people fail.

Correct is subjective.

There are sometimes for sure but with those lost to delusion, it is either hurt or ridicule and I am not as good with ridicule.

Regards
DL

You are not realy good at anything other than ridicule.

Why death to gays? I am not homophobic, some of my friends and also my ex brother in law is gay so why kill them GIa? and as jesus is part of the christian religion of which P.G. believes, and was supposedly dead on the cross many thousands of years ago, it would be hard for me to kill him would it not GIa? insults coming yet again?

polyglide wrote:You are not realy good at anything other than ridicule.

I hope you are correct as you need a lot of it to bring your thinking into what it should be.

Regards
DL

stuart torr wrote:Why death to gays?

Gnostic Christians believe in equality.

You would have to as a Christian why they hate gays.

Why are you asking me instead of polyglide? The killers are in his camp, not mine.

Are you showing a bias? Seems like.

Regards
DL

Should your picture GIa actually be that of a lion faced serpent? is that not what your Demi-urge really looks like?

Greatest I am wrote:

polyglide wrote:Hi Stu,
         You do not have to say what GIa is, he does it so well himself.

The one thing I can say is that I am not as misogynistic as most in your religion.

My religion believes in equality while your does not.
My religion believes in total love of all while yours will hate most as most are destined for the wide road to the hell that you want your God to send them to.

Regards
DL

What religion is that?

Greatest I am wrote:

stuart torr wrote:Why death to gays?

Gnostic Christians believe in equality.

You would have to as a Christian why they hate gays.

Why are you asking me instead of polyglide? The killers are in his camp, not mine.

Are you showing a bias? Seems like.

Regards
DL

I'm afraid I'm none the wiser as to what a Gnostic Christian is, and your grandiose claims don't seem that different to other religions. Also, and as I've said many times to you, a person may want and fight for all those things without religion.

Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD wrote:

Greatest I am wrote:

polyglide wrote:Hi Stu,
         You do not have to say what GIa is, he does it so well himself.

The one thing I can say is that I am not as misogynistic as most in your religion.

My religion believes in equality while your does not.
My religion believes in total love of all while yours will hate most as most are destined for the wide road to the hell that you want your God to send them to.

Regards
DL

What religion is that?

I am a Gnostic Christian.

We believe in the supremacy of man and not an imaginary God while at the same time seeking Gnosis or a deeper understanding of what a man is.

As in the Jewish Divine Council thinking, we believe that the only God worthy to rule men is a man. We do not use or have supernatural beliefs in our theology and are perpetual seeker after God.

We are more like the Eastern religions who seek enlightenment as compared to the Christianity and Islam of today who just want obedience to their unchanging man made rules.

We are free to seek the best rules regardless of what religious or social system they come from.

Regards
DL

Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD wrote:

Greatest I am wrote:

stuart torr wrote:Why death to gays?

Gnostic Christians believe in equality.

You would have to as a Christian why they hate gays.

Why are you asking me instead of polyglide? The killers are in his camp, not mine.

Are you showing a bias? Seems like.

Regards
DL

I'm afraid I'm none the wiser as to what a Gnostic Christian is, and your grandiose claims don't seem that different to other religions. Also, and as I've said many times to you, a person may want and fight for all those things without religion.

No argument. I did so when a skeptic and before forcing my apotheosis. Without it, you and I would likely be completely on the same page.

Regards
DL

Greatest I am wrote:

Dr Sheldon Cooper PhD wrote:

Greatest I am wrote:

polyglide wrote:Hi Stu,
         You do not have to say what GIa is, he does it so well himself.

The one thing I can say is that I am not as misogynistic as most in your religion.

My religion believes in equality while your does not.
My religion believes in total love of all while yours will hate most as most are destined for the wide road to the hell that you want your God to send them to.

Regards
DL

What religion is that?

I am a Gnostic Christian.

We believe in the supremacy of man and not an imaginary God while at the same time seeking Gnosis or a deeper understanding of what a man is.

As in the Jewish Divine Council thinking, we believe that the only God worthy to rule men is a man. We do not use or have supernatural beliefs in our theology and are perpetual seeker after God.

We are more like the Eastern religions who seek enlightenment as compared to the Christianity and Islam of today who just want obedience to their unchanging man made rules.

We are free to seek the best rules regardless of what religious or social system they come from.

Regards
DL

So you're effectively an atheist?

I thought gnostic christians were more from the persian thoughts, and gave up everything material, to help their fellow man?
Hence your demi urge having the lion faced serpent, not just the serpent itself? so you are a little mixed with your religion are you not GIa?