Should all schools be mandated to teach creationism?

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Billion + believe in Satan. Should all schools be mandated to teach Creationism?

We must save our children from foolish belief in the supernatural.

Education is the only tool that we have to drag ourselves and our children out of ignorance and superstition and that education should include that it is foolish to read myth literally. No more Dark Ages should be allowed.

Comparative Religion should be taught to insure that no child is lost to creationist intellectual dissonance. We must expose our children to Comparative Religion as soon as they can understand Evolution which would be taught alongside of it.

To do less would be shirking our duty to our children and their young minds. If you do not supports this type of all-inclusive education, please show why you oppose it?

Remember that when President Bush backed up stem cell research, it gave other countries a chance to advance away from the U.S. and hurt the U.S economy.

If the U.S. fails to educate it’s children properly in Comparative Religion and Evolution --- and the various sciences that stem from it, --- the U.S. will shrink it’s economy and power as compared to those countries who have a fuller and more intelligent education program.

Do you agree that it is the duty of the U.S. education system to maintain a first world standard of education in the teaching of Creationism, Comparative Religion and Evolution, --- and catch up to more intelligent countries?

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DL

I thought gnostic christians were more from the persian thoughts, and gave up everything material, to help their fellow man?
Hence your demi urge having the lion faced serpent, not just the serpent itself? so you are a little mixed with your religion are you not GIa?

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polyglide wrote:Hi Stu,
         You do not have to say what GIa is, he does it so well himself.

The one thing I can say is that I am not as misogynistic as most in your religion.

My religion believes in equality while your does not.
My religion believes in total love of all while yours will hate most as most are destined for the wide road to the hell that you want your God to send them to.

Regards
DL

What religion is that?

I am a Gnostic Christian.

We believe in the supremacy of man and not an imaginary God while at the same time seeking Gnosis or a deeper understanding of what a man is.

As in the Jewish Divine Council thinking, we believe that the only God worthy to rule men is a man. We do not use or have supernatural beliefs in our theology and are perpetual seeker after God.

We are more like the Eastern religions who seek enlightenment as compared to the Christianity and Islam of today who just want obedience to their unchanging man made rules.

We are free to seek the best rules regardless of what religious or social system they come from.

Regards
DL

So you're effectively an atheist?

No.

We just know that God is a blank space, so to speak, that deserves to be filled by a man.

In a sense, we take the story of A & E literally, from the POV that we are all able to, as scriptures say, become as Gods. That is the Jewish way of thinking of man's elevation even though Christians see this as a fall.

That follows through to thinking of us all as potential participants in the Divine Council.

Jesus asked, have ye forgotten that ye are Gods, --- and the answer is that most have.

Our religion empowers man while most empower an absentee and often immoral God.

Regards
DL

stuart torr wrote:I thought gnostic christians were more from the persian thoughts, and gave up everything material, to help their fellow man?
Hence your demi urge having the lion faced serpent, not just the serpent itself? so you are a little mixed with your religion are you not GIa?

Yes as I use the one of the biblical Jesus' more than the Gnostic Christian one as he is better known.

His message like ours is the same.

Here is a bot of history and then a goal and method.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR02ciandvg&feature=BFa&list=PLCBF574D

The thinking shown below is the Gnostic Christian’s goal as taught by Jesus but know that any belief can be internalized to activate your higher mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesfXXw&feature=player_embedded

This method and mind set is how you become I am and brethren to Jesus, in the esoteric sense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdSVl_HOo8Y

When you can name your God, I am, and mean yourself, you will begin to know the only God you will ever find. Becoming a God is to become more fully human and a brethren to Jesus.

Regards
DL

stuart torr wrote:I thought gnostic christians were more from the persian thoughts, and gave up everything material, to help their fellow man?
Hence your demi urge having the lion faced serpent, not just the serpent itself? so you are a little mixed with your religion are you not GIa?

Forgive my ignorance stu, but do any of those religions require belief in a deity? If so which one?

GIA has made some claims which appear to suggest he believes in metaphysical or supernatural, and it seemed like superstition to me. The YouTube videos he linked were not very compelling.

If you check wiki Sheldon with regards to it, he is supposed to give up all his material things to help his fellow man?

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stuart torr wrote:I thought gnostic christians were more from the persian thoughts, and gave up everything material, to help their fellow man?
Hence your demi urge having the lion faced serpent, not just the serpent itself? so you are a little mixed with your religion are you not GIa?

Forgive my ignorance stu, but do any of those religions require belief in a deity?  If so which one?

GIA has made some claims which appear to suggest he believes in metaphysical or supernatural,  and it seemed like superstition to me.  The YouTube videos he linked were not very compelling.  

Nothing I believe requires that I pollute my mind with belief in the supernatural.

Metaphysical beliefs, perhaps yes depending on how you define it. If natural even if unseen, then yes. The ultimate God I believe in because of my apotheosis and contact is what we would define as a cosmic consciousness. I have no proof but think science is getting close to proof.

http://vimeo.com/26318064

Regards
DL

stuart torr wrote:If you check wiki Sheldon with regards to it, he is supposed to give up all his material things to help his fellow man?

Not so. I am not following what Wiki tells us about anything.

Gnostic Christianity has no such edict as far as I know. If you have something on that then show it.

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DL

So which school of gnostic christianity do you follow GIa?

stuart torr wrote:So which school of gnostic christianity do you follow GIa?

The ones who make man supreme and not some imaginary absentee God.

The ones that demand that a man be his own man and not some other's.

The ones that recognize that God would not be stupid enough to condemn what he creates and have himself look incompetent.

Gnostic Christians are allowed and indeed obligated to find the best rules to live by regardless of the source so the Gnostic Christianity that all Gnostic Christians follow are unique to us as we are all unique.

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DL

Basically just selfish bastards then.

stuart torr wrote:Basically just selfish bastards then.

Are you the same as all other atheists or are you a selfish and unique bastard?

Regards
DL

So the realisation of gnosis (esoteric or intuitive knowledge) is the way to salvation of the material world?
Gnostic systems particularly the Syrian-Egyptian schools!!
Do you have a notion of supreme remote Monadic Divinity? and the emanation is further divine by beings known as Aeons?

stuart torr wrote:So the realisation of gnosis (esoteric or intuitive knowledge) is the way to salvation of the material world?
Gnostic systems particularly the Syrian-Egyptian schools!!
Do you have a notion of supreme remote Monadic Divinity? and the emanation is further divine by beings known as Aeons?

Our myths are just that, myths. They are a tool for discussion in seeking God only and have no basis in reality. They did try to explain what the ancients thought they saw but are outdated and Gnostic Christianity has moved on. As I said, there is no supernatural in our belief system but we did have some in our myths and Aeons are a part of that.

In the natural world we live in, the only God fit to rule men is a man.

Let me give you an example of where we have moved away from our old thinking or the misunderstanding that most gave to our old thinking.

You may have heard that Gnostic Christians thought matter to be evil.

The modern Gnostic Christian view on evil matter is that matter is not evil. It is evolving perfection.

We never really believed matter was evil but unfortunately the language of that day used the term evil. Gnostic Christians could not believe matter was evil because we believe that we have a spark of God within our bodies, (matter), and the kingdom of God is both within us and around us as Jesus taught.

Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you and around you.

Gnostic Christians of that day were into duality of matter and non-matter.  As above so below.

Above would have been seen as perfect while here below, at that time, Gnostic Christians did not see perfection. It was thus said that it was good above and evil below.

Modern Gnostic thinking has evolved somewhat and we now say that matter is evolving perfection. Many think this quote was not written seriously but to a Gnostic Christian it will be understandable as a truth.

Candide.
"It is demonstrable that things cannot be otherwise than as they are; for as all things have been created for some end, they must necessarily be created for the best end.”

This means that we all live in the best of all possible world and that is why modern Gnostic Christians call what we have around us, evolving perfection.

Be you a believer or not, the notion that things cannot be other than what they are and are,  evolving perfection is irrefutable even though it is a fairly hard concept to grasp. This does not mean that we cannot improve as we each evolve further.

You used the word salvation.

The only thing we need saving from is poor thinking. Our God never condemned anyone and that is why we can be Universalists.

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DL

But you have not got a god now or so you keep telling us GIa.

Do you believe in the jewish form of Universalists as led by Stephen Blane then?

I have never read him but I am a Universalist. There is only one ultimate form of universalist and that is one who sees all souls ending in heaven.

I have a God. I am God.

Adam and Eve became as Gods when they gained a moral sense and no longer had their mind cut off from intelligent thought. As our primordial ancestors, we inherit that same trait even though Christianity wrongly thinks that to be evil and a fall. Retaining dominion over the earth, humans never revoked this inherited trait of a moral sense, --- and the right for man to judge himself. Jesus highlights this he took the seat of judgement at God’s right hand.

When I use terms like “I am God”, or “you are God”, I am not speaking of the traditional miracle working God of scriptures and myths. He does not exist as far as we can know as he has never made an appearance to prove his reality.

What I am trying to convey to you by saying that you are a God in your own right is to be master of yourself and you need not be a sheep. You can, as Jesus says, pick up your burdens and responsibilities for your sins and follow his mind set. Be a shepherd. Lead by example.

What I am trying to convey is that the only God you can ever know is the good you find within yourself. It's your ideal of God and of the Jesus or Christ mind. That is quite different from me or someone thinking they are the traditional creator God, or thinking that they are more than anyone else. Both Jesus and the Christ in these myths are for equality. Not the misogyny that we presently enjoy. That is another topic though. We are to be co-equal with Jesus.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Jesus would explain this concept as one just seeing that they have joined God’s Divine Council by embracing his own Christ mind. Or better said, as this is the more eastern Jesus, we activate our pineal gland and open our third eye.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_Council

Regards
DL

Basically then you and believers like yourself, are a modern day version of the Quakers.

stuart torr wrote:Basically then you and believers like yourself, are a modern day version of the Quakers.

If I recall, theirs is a miracle working creator God, so no, I would not say that we are the same. I do like that they are also one of the few Abrahamic cults, like mine, who are not misogynous.

I think they also have scriptures overriding what I call Gnosis or inner knowledge.

I admit to not remembering much else of them. I do think them more moral than the mainstream misogynous religions.

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DL

Many of them moved to your religion in the late 1700s.

stuart torr wrote:Many of them moved to your religion in the late 1700s.

There are free thinkers in most religions but Gnostic Christianity does not really have a modern church that it can call it's own.

Like free thinking atheists, most have yet to realize that without creating a church and sacrificing heavily to it, Gnostic Christianity is bound to fail.

Only now are atheists forming churches and associations and it looks like the tipping point of non-belief will hit the world, 2050, before Gnostic Christianity has a chance to become the mainstream Christian church.

I hope I am wrong but the only thing that will cause us to take the place I think is if we could somehow go viral, so to speak, and gain a lot of support in a short time. Not impossible if you look at how quickly gay marriage was accepted but who can say. I hope I am wrong.

I see us as the best bridge between belief and non-belief but may not have the time to build the roadway.

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DL

The mid-line between theists and atheists is agnostics surely GIa.

stuart torr wrote:The mid-line between theists and atheists is agnostics surely GIa.

Not from my POV.

Have you ever heard an agnostic say that the only God fit to rule men is a man or say that our first God was an elevated man?

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DL

Not exactly, but like yourself, by not agreeing with either camp so to speak, it means he can disagree with everyone on the forum as much as he wishes.

stuart torr wrote:Not exactly, but like yourself, by not agreeing with either camp so to speak, it means he can disagree with everyone on the forum as much as he wishes.

Which is why I like to send the conversations I get into to moral aspects where agreement might be reached without going into beliefs of a God that no one can prove or disprove and also why I attack Bible God's morals more than himself.

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DL

Precisely you too are disagreeing with both sides, so nobody except a poster of your own belief will ever reach agreement with you.

stuart torr wrote:Precisely you too are disagreeing with both sides, so nobody except a poster of your own belief will ever reach agreement with you.

To a point, yes.

That is what I and you debate and discussions for. To bring people to our understanding and morals .

Mine happen to show the immorality of the mainstream misogynous religions.

Regards
DL

Well dinner time GIa, must eat after medication.