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Post by astradt1 Tue Oct 18, 2011 1:52 pm

First topic message reminder :

Justice minister stripped of powers

Ken Clarke to take charge after Djanogly failed to declare family interest in claims management companies


The justice minister, Jonathan Djanogly, has been stripped of his responsibility to regulate firms that "ambulance chase" the public following a Guardian investigation that revealed how he and his family could profit from controversial changes to legal aid he was piloting in parliament.

Djanogly, the heir to a £300m family business, had failed to declare that his teenage children were minority shareholders in his brother-in-law's businesses – two firms that advertise claims and are part of an industry that Djanogly regulated in government.

Do you get the feeling that after each Revelation about members of this government you just have to shout NEXT
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Post by bobby Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:17 pm

As I recall, back in 1997 when Labour ousted the Tory scum, we had waiting lists for urgent cardiac surgery in excess of 2 years, many died awaiting surgery. Labour chose to use the services of the private sector in order to reduce those waiting lists and save life and have been castigated by you bleeding Tories since, obveously something not so important to the Rich boys of the Conservative party, who could afford private health care, but the losers in this where the working classes.
As for your other nonsence re people defrauding the tax payer, It was the Bitch Thatcher who encouraged the miners, steelworkers and shipbuilders she made unemployed, join the ranks of the dissabled, just to keep the unemployement figures down.
Even with that cynical move, unemployement went up to 3.8 million under the twat John (fancy a currey)Major, and it was up to 3.8 million with the other measures they took like the YTS scheme, very similar to what they are proposing yet again, and guess what, we are destines to beat the Tory 3.8 million unemployed by many, many more. Bring on all the social unrest nessesary to bring this misserable Coalition down.

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Post by Redflag Sun Jan 08, 2012 4:08 pm

Phil Hornby wrote:Nothing should surprise us.

From the extensive choice of thoroughly nasty individuals which make the Tory Party the unpleasant entity it is, few are are repulsive as the oily little creep Gove, whom I would trust about as much as I would a compulsively bad-tempered crocodile experiencing an especially painful bout of toothache.

If ever a chap deserved a scorpion thrust into his underpants, it is the rat-like Gove...

Gove is a nasty piece of work smarmy slimy arrogant who thinks his way or no way lets hope the teachers teach him a lesson he will never forget clown
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Post by oftenwrong Sun Jan 08, 2012 5:07 pm

For many, many years, the default position of all governments was that Education was a local issue, inasmuch as parents would prefer to pay for their children's education at Council level, with necessary decisions therefore taken by local people.

That's now being eroded by the creation of new Academies which are NOT financed from Council Tax.

Where's it leading? The Tories are past masters at softly softly change to suit their aims.

Oh! and insurance premiums for private medical treatment have risen by 20% from Aviva and 10% from BUPA this month. Aviva who formerly promised that rates would not increase with advancing age, no longer offer that guarantee. You have been warned.
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Post by Phil Hornby Sun Jan 08, 2012 5:50 pm

We all love a scandal, and a political one is especially fascinating. However, any dodgy dealings affecting the Tory Party is like a particularly delicious fruity cake embellished with no only a tasty icing but also having a large juicy cherry on the top...! cheers
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Post by oftenwrong Sun Jan 08, 2012 6:47 pm

It's likely that the Tory-led Coalition lost it's cherry some time ago.
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Post by Phil Hornby Sun Jan 08, 2012 6:50 pm

There's always one who lowers the tone... Very Happy
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Post by Ivan Tue Jan 17, 2012 12:54 pm

Extracts from an article by Lisa Nandy MP:-

"Last year ‘The Financial Times’ reported that advisers at the Department for Education were conducting official business through private email accounts to avoid the Freedom of Information Act.

Kevin Brennan has asked Michael Gove to confirm that he and his advisers had never deleted emails, from private addresses or otherwise, to avoid scrutiny. Visibly rattled, Gove refused to answer the question and simply asserted that he and his department had operated in accordance with Cabinet Office policy.

Since taking office Gove has proven evasive on a succession of key questions. He refuses to reveal the cost of his free schools programme. He wouldn’t answer my parliamentary questions about the grant he awarded, without tender, to the New Schools Network until he was ordered to by the House of Commons’ procedure committee. He had to be ordered to answer a freedom of information request about the same subject by the Information Commissioner. He refuses to release details of consultation by academies, and won’t publish the minutes of discussions at the DfE board (the department releases only basic headings).

It makes you wonder what it is that Gove has to hide."


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For the full article:-
http://www.leftfootforward.org/2012/01/what-was-hiding-behind-the-boat-information-commissioner-is-investigating-gove/#comments

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Post by Phil Hornby Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:28 pm

The criticism of Miliband today by elements of the union movement seems to confirm at least one thing : while the trade unions cannot mend their ways and continue to live in the 1980s, the Labour Party can respond to the need for pragmatic change.

We must also conclude that the TUC is like the Tory Party - which also cannot - or will not- change its vile and entrenched ways and is similarly wedded to class war and repulsive tribal practices. This may point the way for Miliband to show that his re-styling of his Party - in a spirit of willingness to ditch old 'sacred cows' in the face of newly emerging social and financial events and challenges- provides a possible sanctuary for people who cannot abide the unpleasant outer reaches of both Left and Right which so many find distasteful.

But he has a lot of convincing still to do...
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Post by astra Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:57 pm

I've just had a wander through a few sites concerning the NUM, you know, that bastion of worker's rights and a certain A. Scargill. it seems that Scargill still demands to retain his perks as if he were still leader of the union. Len McCluskey has to watch that he is ending up on the same bandwagon - so dispersed from their member's living standard are they that they are putting themselves out of any sensible comment.
It seems these union leaders ALSO have a trough and are holding on to it till the last man standing! Mc Cluskey should be keeping his eye on the NHS like he were a bad tempered Eagle! but no! has to try to tangle with things of no relevance to the folk who pay his wages! McCluskey is threatening to withdraw from paying the political levy - many unions are looking at this, mainly as Jack Straw wants this cash to go directly to Labour Party funds for the troughites to decide what is done with it!

Milliband has a difficult rocky road to fix, and boy it needs fixing, but with the union leaders, as opposed to their members (do not lose sight of that simple fact) not willing to change, then the whole idea of any party in opposition as we know it will be lost for ever!

What A Tory Wet Dream that is!

EDIT

Ian Lavery MP LAB Wansbeck is an ex NUM President, why is he so quiet?
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Post by Phil Hornby Tue Jan 17, 2012 3:47 pm

Quote : "It makes you wonder what it is that Gove has to hide"

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It may emerge in due course, but one thing he will never be able to conceal is the fact that he is an obnoxious and despicable little shit of the highest order...
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Post by Phil Hornby Tue Jan 17, 2012 4:01 pm

Spot the Real Dummy

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Clue : one is understandably kept in a box and the other is unbelievably kept in the Cabinet...
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Post by oftenwrong Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:32 pm


give a man enough rope (or plenty of rope) and he will hang himself


proverb given enough freedom of action a person will bring about their own downfall.

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/rope?view=uk
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Post by Redflag Wed Jan 18, 2012 5:14 pm

Phil Hornby wrote:Nothing should surprise us.

From the extensive choice of thoroughly nasty individuals which make the Tory Party the unpleasant entity it is, few are are repulsive as the oily little creep Gove, whom I would trust about as much as I would a compulsively bad-tempered crocodile experiencing an especially painful bout of toothache.

If ever a chap deserved a scorpion thrust into his underpants, it is the rat-like Gove...

We have something in common Phil Hornby I would not trust him as far as I could throw him and that aint far, did you see the programme on BBC news night about his beloved Academies about how they get rid of kids that are not as Bright as some on the Academic lines they do it by ignoring them by the teachers and then suggest that they would be better of leaving hence they do not show up on the Academies figures so yes he is nothing but a little shit!
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Post by oftenwrong Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:23 am

Have you ever thought he might simply be there to draw attention away from far worse things which Cameron's Crusaders are planning?

In Show Biz they refer to that as "The McGuffin".
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Post by Ivan Thu Jan 26, 2012 2:11 am

'Cutting Edge' had eight new members in 24 hours, and when the total reached 99 I posted the fact on 'Twitter'. I said that there would be a prize of an evening with Michael Gove for the 100th person to sign up with us. Since then the membership has remained on 99.....do you think that people took me seriously?
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Post by blueturando Thu Jan 26, 2012 2:14 am

I know I tried to get Michael Gove's wife to join, but she changed her mind when I told her the prize on offer hahahah

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Post by oftenwrong Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:41 am

First Prize: An evening with Michael Gove

Second Prize: A week with Michael Gove
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Post by Redflag Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:25 pm

Phil Hornby wrote:A friend told me today that they have a failing Academy in their area and the Local Authority were apparently instructed by one Michael 'Shitty' Gove to go and sort out the problem, despite the much-trumpeted supposed autonomy such establishments have from 'council control'.

How typical that -when one his flagship ideas hits the rocks - the little rat should turn to one of those hated Councils that he consistently criticises. And there will be much more of this. What will the despicable toad do when those Authorities have been starved of funding by his government and no longer have the staff to function effectively...?

Well P.H I hope the council told him to get off his butt and clean up his own shit, I wish some one would hit Gove with a Rock it might knock some sense into the little ass hole, there will be quite a few that fail but it will not be his fault of course I wonder who he will blame?
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Post by Phil Hornby Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:01 pm

Redflag - Academies will be sure to throw up some examples whereby the management fails to handle staffing issues appropriately, spends far in excess of its budget , indulges in corrupt behaviour, or simply fails to educate students to the required level. Gove will have to explain away how his flagship policy has failed in those cases, and we can be sure the blame will not lay at his door for long. More than likely, the poor old Local Authorities will in some way be held to be culpable - despite their having been removed from the equation to 'free' such educational establishments from the 'control' which Councils supposedly held over them...
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Post by oftenwrong Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:20 pm

What sort of twerp uses children's education as a political pawn?

(Margaret Thatcher and Sir Keith Joseph aside, of course)
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Post by Redflag Fri Jan 27, 2012 4:22 pm

bobby wrote:As I recall, back in 1997 when Labour ousted the Tory scum, we had waiting lists for urgent cardiac surgery in excess of 2 years, many died awaiting surgery. Labour chose to use the services of the private sector in order to reduce those waiting lists and save life and have been castigated by you bleeding Tories since, obveously something not so important to the Rich boys of the Conservative party, who could afford private health care, but the losers in this where the working classes.
As for your other nonsence re people defrauding the tax payer, It was the Bitch Thatcher who encouraged the miners, steelworkers and shipbuilders she made unemployed, join the ranks of the dissabled, just to keep the unemployement figures down.
Even with that cynical move, unemployement went up to 3.8 million under the twat John (fancy a currey)Major, and it was up to 3.8 million with the other measures they took like the YTS scheme, very similar to what they are proposing yet again, and guess what, we are destines to beat the Tory 3.8 million unemployed by many, many more. Bring on all the social unrest nessesary to bring this misserable Coalition down.

Now your talking my language bobby again your post says it all well done.
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Post by Redflag Fri Jan 27, 2012 4:31 pm

Phil Hornby wrote:Redflag - Academies will be sure to throw up some examples whereby the management fails to handle staffing issues appropriately, spends far in excess of its budget , indulges in corrupt behaviour, or simply fails to educate students to the required level. Gove will have to explain away how his flagship policy has failed in those cases, and we can be sure the blame will not lay at his door for long. More than likely, the poor old Local Authorities will in some way be held to be culpable - despite their having been removed from the equation to 'free' such educational establishments from the 'control' which Councils supposedly held over them...

Well P H it will be up to those councils to stand up for themselves and tell him what he said about the council not being concerned in the running of Goves HAPLESS ideas ie ACADEMIES, any chance that you could fix it for me too be the one that told that TURD (scottish word) send him to the tower OFF WITH HIS HEAD its of NO USE to him as it contains only sawdust.
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Post by Ivan Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:18 am

This is more like an old scandal still simmering:-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16732528
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Post by oftenwrong Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:38 am

The first test of any prospective Parliamentary candidate is to see whether they can tell lies without blushing.

Tories have a natural advantage in the standard pink hue of the younger version, and ruddy complexion of the established countryman.
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Post by Ivan Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:38 pm

If anyone wants to watch yesterday's 'Panorama' programme about Lord Ashcroft, who has donated £10 million to the Tories:-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006t14n
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Post by Redflag Tue Jan 31, 2012 2:03 pm

bobby wrote:As I recall, back in 1997 when Labour ousted the Tory scum, we had waiting lists for urgent cardiac surgery in excess of 2 years, many died awaiting surgery. Labour chose to use the services of the private sector in order to reduce those waiting lists and save life and have been castigated by you bleeding Tories since, obveously something not so important to the Rich boys of the Conservative party, who could afford private health care, but the losers in this where the working classes.
As for your other nonsence re people defrauding the tax payer, It was the Bitch Thatcher who encouraged the miners, steelworkers and shipbuilders she made unemployed, join the ranks of the dissabled, just to keep the unemployement figures down.
Even with that cynical move, unemployement went up to 3.8 million under the twat John (fancy a currey)Major, and it was up to 3.8 million with the other measures they took like the YTS scheme, very similar to what they are proposing yet again, and guess what, we are destines to beat the Tory 3.8 million unemployed by many, many more. Bring on all the social unrest nessesary to bring this misserable Coalition down.

In regard to the YTS scheme that Thatcher thought up to get her friends in business SCIVVIES to work for nothing then after the 6 months sling em back on the SCRAP Heap and get another and your right bobby they have just introduced the same thing with a different name but it will end in tears just like in the 1980s but it will be the young adults that will pay the price for there FOLLY Ideology and Dogma.
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Post by Ivan Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:12 pm

Just how sick can the Tories get?

A man who was expelled from the nasty party for attending a fancy dress party as a 'dead' Madeleine McCann has been welcomed back into the fold and is now representing the party at European meetings.

Matthew Lewis was thrown out after bragging that he was looking for "a blonde wig, pink pyjamas, a teddy bear and a vial of fake blood” for his sick outfit. But he now leads the Tory Party’s European youth organisation, which has been described as "a player on the European stage” and a member of “Europe’s most influential youth centre-right political organisations”.

At the time of the original incident, then Tory chairman Caroline Spelman banned him from the party along with two other activists, with a spokesman for Kate and Gerry McCann saying: “The offensiveness of his actions is almost beyond belief. It is a disgrace that Madeleine should be made fun of in this way.”

But Baroness Warsi has now re-approved Lewis's membership of the Tory Party and he represents the Conservative Europe Group — whose president is Ken Clarke – at meetings in cities such as Brussels and Berlin.

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Post by oftenwrong Tue Jan 31, 2012 4:54 pm

Redflag wrote:
bobby wrote:As I recall, back in 1997 when Labour ousted the Tory scum, we had waiting lists for urgent cardiac surgery in excess of 2 years, many died awaiting surgery. Labour chose to use the services of the private sector in order to reduce those waiting lists and save life and have been castigated by you bleeding Tories since, obveously something not so important to the Rich boys of the Conservative party, who could afford private health care, but the losers in this where the working classes.
As for your other nonsence re people defrauding the tax payer, It was the Bitch Thatcher who encouraged the miners, steelworkers and shipbuilders she made unemployed, join the ranks of the dissabled, just to keep the unemployement figures down.
Even with that cynical move, unemployement went up to 3.8 million under the twat John (fancy a currey)Major, and it was up to 3.8 million with the other measures they took like the YTS scheme, very similar to what they are proposing yet again, and guess what, we are destines to beat the Tory 3.8 million unemployed by many, many more. Bring on all the social unrest nessesary to bring this misserable Coalition down.

In regard to the YTS scheme that Thatcher thought up to get her friends in business SCIVVIES to work for nothing then after the 6 months sling em back on the SCRAP Heap and get another and your right bobby they have just introduced the same thing with a different name but it will end in tears just like in the 1980s but it will be the young adults that will pay the price for there FOLLY Ideology and Dogma.

Thatcher was in that case picking up on a Labour idea: "The Youth Opportunities Programme was a UK government scheme for helping 16 to 18 year olds into employment. It was introduced in 1978 under the government of James Callaghan, was expanded in 1980 by Margaret Thatcher's government, and ran until 1983 when it was replaced by the Youth Training Scheme."
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Post by astradt1 Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:44 pm

Michael Gove Waiting On Fresh Advice Before Answering FOIs On Private Email Accounts

So Gove does not know what the truth is?
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Post by Redflag Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:51 pm

Ivan wrote:'Cutting Edge' had eight new members in 24 hours, and when the total reached 99 I posted the fact on 'Twitter'. I said that there would be a prize of an evening with Michael Gove for the 100th person to sign up with us. Since then the membership has remained on 99.....do you think that people took me seriously?


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You offered the wrong prize Ivan if you had offered a night of eating pies as many as you can eat "5 Chins and 10 Bellies" would have joined ie Pickles he who ate all the pies.
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Post by Redflag Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:01 pm

oftenwrong wrote:What sort of twerp uses children's education as a political pawn?

(Margaret Thatcher and Sir Keith Joseph aside, of course)

I think the word here is Goves Experiment with our kids being the guinea pigs because they do not matter they parents can not afford to send them private schools.
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Post by oftenwrong Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:35 pm

"Cannon fodder" used to be the description when people like The Duke of Marlborough or The Duke of Wellington were in Parliament. But of course that's all changed now.
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Post by Redflag Wed Feb 01, 2012 2:26 pm

oftenwrong wrote:"Cannon fodder" used to be the description when people like The Duke of Marlborough or The Duke of Wellington were in Parliament. But of course that's all changed now.

Thats all the we mean to the Tory Government past and present "Cannon Fodder" thats us the PLEBS.
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Post by Redflag Thu Feb 02, 2012 3:09 pm

Yes it has just been announced the HUHHNE is too be charged with asking his

wife to take his points for his driving offence, so that is another Yellow Tory out

of the cabinet is it time that the rest of them walked FINGERS CROSSED.
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Post by Ivan Thu Feb 02, 2012 3:25 pm

Huhne will probably be replaced in the government by David Laws, who is an even more odious yellow Tory. You may recall that Laws gave £40,000 of our money to his boyfriend, pretending that his lover was his landlord because he didn't want his mum to find out that he's gay. At least that was his story. Personally, I'd rather see Laws prosecuted than Huhne, or maybe both of them.

If the Lib Dems are prepared to vote through disgusting measures like taking benefits from cancer patients and disabled children, there's no chance of them leaving the coalition voluntarily. It would appear that we're stuck with this evil regime until 2015.
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Post by Ivan Fri Feb 03, 2012 12:54 am

Craig Whittaker, the Tory MP for Calder Valley, is currently on bail after being arrested for a “bust-up” with his 24-year-old son outside a petrol station in Mytholmroyd on Boxing Day. Whittaker won the seat from Labour in the 2010 general election and is a member of the party that claims to stand for family values…..

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Post by Redflag Fri Feb 03, 2012 9:17 am

astradt1 wrote:
Michael Gove Waiting On Fresh Advice Before Answering FOIs On Private Email Accounts

So Gove does not know what the truth is?

The real question should be "Do any of them know what the TRUTH is".
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Post by oftenwrong Fri Feb 03, 2012 11:11 am

There seems to be an awful lot of "News" about at the moment.

Does someone want to distract us away from thinking about the Health Service Bill?
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Post by Ivan Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:10 am

Lansley again:-

"The Department of Health has apologised after documents sent to 'The Guardian' showed that contrary to assurances given to Parliament, more than 25 senior staff employed by the department are paid salaries direct to limited companies, with the likely effect of reducing their tax bills.

In some cases, the documents show the named individuals are being paid more than £250,000 a year, as well as additional expenses."


Full story here:-
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/feb/15/department-of-health-tax-deals-misunderstanding
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Post by oftenwrong Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:14 am

The back-story is that in response to a written Parliamentary Question a year ago, a Health Minister denied that there were ANY payments of salary being paid through Companies to reduce Tax. The really interesting part of the Guardian report lies in the e-mails between senior civil-servants speculating how they could avoid answering the question at all.
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Post by Ivan Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:38 pm

The 'Panorama' programme about Ashcroft, who has donated £10 million to the Tories, has been moved by the BBC to here:-
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01c2h4t

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