Is Ed Miliband living on borrowed time?

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Tonight’s YouGov poll for the Sun has topline figures of CON 41%, LAB 39%, LDEM 10%, Others 10%. This is the first time that YouGov have shown a Conservative lead since December 2010. It certainly looks as though the Conservatives have recieved a boost from David Cameron’s veto at the European summit. There is also a new ComRes poll out tonight for the Independent which has topline figures of CON 38%(+1), LAB 38%(-1), LDEM 12%(+2) – also showing the two main parties effectively neck-and-neck. How is it that the tories can be level or ahead in the polls when they are having to make some very difficult and painfull decisions to try and bring down the deficit, the umemployment figures are the worst for 17 years. We have had strikes, pension reforms, VAT rises and the veto in Europe etc.......

It looks like Ed Millaband is not liked or trusted by many of the elecorate. In my opinion he looks weak, sounds weak and has no policies to speak of....Everytime he tries to get the better of Cameron in PMQ'S he ends looking like a fool with Cameron destroying him. Ed Balls is no better...he comes across as an odious man with no substance, who would probably stab his own wife in the back if it meant he gained more power.

Labour missed a trick in not voting in Eds brother David into the leadership role. David would have given Cameron a better run for his money and I believe he is a better politician than Ed too. With the two Eds at the helm I believe Labour are not a viable opposition right now and one or both could be dispatched by the party sooner rather than later

astra wrote:WOW!!!

I can accept a Police Officer in Uniform, Fire and Rescue crew - all tooled up, and Ambulance Technicians and Paramedics (who are NOT officially "Emergency Workers") The gas man for to repair a leak (usually myself who has the 'gas leak' in this abode - follows me around like a faithfull puppy!! ) and the electricity operative. To prevent entry to these could be folly IMO
Any more need a Magistrates authority I would hope!

What kind of worker constitutes the rest?

Begin here if you like .... http://www.yourrights.org.uk/yourrights/privacy/power-of-officials-to-enter-your-home/index.html

At a speech for the Fabian Society today, Ed has stated that Labour in Gubmint could/would not necessarily change/reverse the coalition's policies.

Is that a no brainer statement?

oftenwrong wrote:There are still more than 230 categories of "official" who have authority to enter an Englishman's home.

Why aren't they official? Why " "?

The quotation marks allow for the odds and ends of jobsworths who, although not uniformed, routinely operate under an Order of the Court, such as bailiffs and ratcatchers etc., as well as Town Hall snoopers checking on your claim to live alone for Council Tax purposes, or whether you are not using your wheelie-bin in accordance with Statutory Instruction 33, subsections j, k and l (as amended).

Redflag wrote:

blueturando wrote:ED BALLS ......Is just crass and does the Labour party no favours what so ever. I Imagine he was the jealous bully boy in the school playground, but his uncouth tactics do not work very well in the world of politics

I see your not mentioning Osbourne and its his PLAN A that is not working "AT ALL" growth going NO WHERE but we do know that UNEMPLOYMENT is going up where it will stop NOBODY knows, and don't talk about BULLY BOYS Cameron and Johnston used to BULLY Osbourne while at school so kettle and frying pan come to mind and what ever tactics Cameron and Osbourne are using they are doing them no good and after the next GE is sooner or later they could find themselves going back into there family business because thats the only job they be able to get.

I think Flashman (aka Cam) would like to bully us all into submission. Anyone can see that Osborne's economic policies, are not working. They are making a bad situation worse. I'm quite dissappointed that Labour seem now to be moving in the same direction. People need hope and not dispair.

LWS wrote:

Redflag wrote:

blueturando wrote:ED BALLS ......Is just crass and does the Labour party no favours what so ever. I Imagine he was the jealous bully boy in the school playground, but his uncouth tactics do not work very well in the world of politics

I see your not mentioning Osbourne and its his PLAN A that is not working "AT ALL" growth going NO WHERE but we do know that UNEMPLOYMENT is going up where it will stop NOBODY knows, and don't talk about BULLY BOYS Cameron and Johnston used to BULLY Osbourne while at school so kettle and frying pan come to mind and what ever tactics Cameron and Osbourne are using they are doing them no good and after the next GE is sooner or later they could find themselves going back into there family business because thats the only job they be able to get.

I think Flashman (aka Cam) would like to bully us all into submission. Anyone can see that Osborne's economic policies, are not working. They are making a bad situation worse. I'm quite dissappointed that Labour seem now to be moving in the same direction. People need hope and not dispair.

If this Banal Coalition is in power till 2015, then he cannot change anything anyway. so it makes no real difference if he backs this or not. as the Labour party is not in power anyway. as for what may happen after the 2015 GE now one knows. it can only be guess work at this stage at best. as it stands today the economy is changing by the hour and not even a day. so its quite easy for me as nothing has changed at all. but your quite right in saying LWS that people do seek hope over despair. but to do this we will need to seek power first. I did not read very much in to what Ed Balls has said as yet. as there will be a great deal more water to flow under the economic bridge as yet. all can change next week with this Government. as right now the only true plan that Gideon has is to pray a great deal to the Bank of England. as he has no hope of any real growth coming soon at all.

LWS wrote:Which of those manifesto 'promises' have the hypocritical Tories actually kept?

Very few it would seem!

Full agree LWS, as its quite likely to get even smaller as this government goes on its way.

blueturando wrote:Redflag....Welcome to Cutting Edge

I totally agree with you on Alan Johnston....He would have made a great party leader. I am a Tory, but I have always admired him because he comes across as honest, genuine and very knowledgeable.
To me, Millaband is everything Labour supporters say they hate....just a snotty nosed posh boy who hasn't got a clue or any experience of the working class. I am very happy if the majority of Labour supporters carry on supporting Ed Millaband as it makes things a lot easier for my Party to stay in power....Thanks guys

Im glad you agree with me but we do differ in regard to snotty nosed posh boys take a good look at your own front benches every one of them are snooty little RICH BOYS who do not give a damn for the working man, and your mob have I Don't Think so not with the treatment they are receiving at this time the only people that are NOT feeling the pinch is the top 10% of the population because they can afford the prices or they just buck off else where so its does not effect them, and I wonder if you will be so keen to support Ed Miliband when he show's every body the real Mr Miliband.

'The Sunday Times' has sunk to a new low by commissioning a poll which asks whether Ed Miliband is too ugly to become Prime Minister.

Ivan wrote:'The Sunday Times' has sunk to a new low by commissioning a poll which asks whether Ed Miliband is too ugly to become Prime Minister.

Another subscription to be cancelled.

This is apparnetly as a direct result of Murdoch closing the NOTW, at least when that was about there was somewhere to expect nonsense on a Sunday!

Ivan wrote:'The Sunday Times' has sunk to a new low by commissioning a poll which asks whether Ed Miliband is too ugly to become Prime Minister.

Did you really expect anything else from a Tory Newspaper Ivan, they have the money to buy whatever they like and includes papers money is no object when the City men are pouring cash into Tory party funds.

So the Coalition was RIGHT, Ed? Balls admits Labour would NOT reverse tax rises and spending cuts... and public sector pay freeze is here to stay
Shadow chancellor now says he accepts freeze up until 2015

Refuses to commit to the next Labour government reversing tax rises or spending cuts
Union conference likely to vote on whether to remain affiliated to the party
Bob Crowe: Balls has betrayed Labour's union supporters
Tories: 'Balls and Miliband look like they’re conceding defeat'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2086631/Ed-Balls-speech-Labour-NOT-reverse-tax-rises-spending-cuts.html#ixzz1jZNqCwlu

I see you bunch of hypocrits coveniently missed this one...So I guess you are all outraged and have no party to support or vote for now?

blue. Instead of relying on doctored extracts from a right-wing tabloid, you could try reading the whole of Ed Balls' speech:-
http://labourlist.org/2012/01/ed-balls-speech-to-the-fabian-society/

It looks increasingly likely that this rancid coalition will hold together until 2015. If cutting benefits to cancer patients and disabled children doesn't provoke the Lib Dems to walk out, nothing will. So how on earth can the Labour Party be expected to say what it will do in over three years' time, when current evaluations of the state of the economy are changed by Osborne every couple of months?

This is a part of Ed Balls' speech, and I hope you will commend it for its realism and honesty:-
"However difficult this is for me, for some of my colleagues and for our wider supporters, we cannot make any commitments now that the next Labour government will reverse tax rises or spending cuts. And we
will not. Because we don’t know how bad things will be on jobs, growth and the deficit. But we do know that the next Labour government will have to sort out the deficit where this government failed and deliver social justice in tougher times. And as we make the argument that cutting spending and raising taxes too far and too fast risks making the economy and the deficit worse not better, it is right that we set out where we do support cuts and where we would be making the tough but necessary decisions."

Basically he is say Labour will inherit a deficit and will therefore have to deal with it......Sounds familiar doesn't it?
The problem I have is that many of the posters on here keep saying the cuts are not needed and the country has plenty of money...so who is right?

blueturando wrote.
"The problem I have is that many of the posters on here keep saying the cuts are not needed and the country has plenty of money...so who is right?"

I dont know of anyone on these threads who says such a thing, what we are saying is akin to the labour line which is, they wouldn’t cut so fast and so deep, and instead of borrowing to pay for unemployment, would borrow for growth, don’t forget, when your Tory scum took office, Labour had got us out of recession, we has growth in the economy and un employment was falling, since the Tory’s almost won the election we don’t have full recession, but we are languishing in stagnation, unemployment has risen and is continuing to do so. All this because of Herr Cameron’s and boy Blunders wish that the fairies at the bottom of his garden will provide the very necessary growth. They have their hands round the throat of the country and refuse to remove them, even though whilst he is waiting for his miracle the Country is dying.
You are obviously having a problem with reading or understanding what is written and said by either of the Edd’s, so allow me to explain with an analogy.
If you are in a situation whereby you have absolutely no idea if you are going to continue earning, or even if you will have a job or a home. Would you promise your child a new bicycle for his/hers birthday, knowing that the likelyhood is, you wont be able to keep the promise, and risk alienating your child, or do you wait until, you know how much cash you have, then make your purchase.
This is precisely what Edd Miliband and Edd Balls are saying. Your Tory’s are running this country down so fast, that not even Gideon can keep up with it and has to keep downgrading every projection he has made, yet you expect Labour to know what sort of state the economy will be in after yet another 3 years of total incompitance, when they have no Idea what the state of the economy will be like come 2015.
Also they have said in Plain English, if they where in office now, the cuts they would make would be smaller, VAT would be decreased and unemployment would be lower and wouldn’t choke off the much needed growth.
Your Heroin the Bitch Thatcher, wasted millions of pounds in oil revenue to pay for her unemployment queue, then the Currey phucker Major spent some more. Cameron was in that Government as some kind of special advisor to the Chancellor, yet still learnt sweet Fanny Adams and is following the same policies that lost us the full benefit of North Sea oil, only now we aint got so much of the stuff, so they are busying themselves with stealing cash from, the poor, sick, old. Working classes and the middle classes, no one is safe except the Banker who caused the shit in the first place and the wealthy, some of who sit on the front benches of the Conservative party, then many of them like Gideon himself put their money is tax havens, proving beyond any doubt, they are a thieving load of scumbags
You may say its all hypothetical, but none of it is as hypothetical as Tory plans to cure the Country’s ills.
I know you are not a fool Bluey, so I must conclude that you are just being a “very naughty boy”.

As a Labour supporter, the deficit does need addressing, and no matter what your particular brand of politics are, anyone who denies that the deficit needs sorting out is not living in the real world.

But - its the way in which the deficit is sorted out, how you save money and gather extra money to close up the hole in finances, fairly or unfairly, the Conservative way or another way.

The finance industry ( banking ) is getting away with murder, yet British pensioners have their Winter Fuel Payment taken off them. ?

The general public see the price of virtualy everything rise due to increased VAT, yet the government reduces Corporation Tax to big business. ?

The Conservative part of the coalition wish to do away with the 50p tax rate, enabling the very well off to be even more well off - and at the same time they take benefits from the disabled.

Someone living in a house worth £320,000 in East London pays the same council tax as someone living in a house worth £3 million in Chelsea.

The amount of tax avoidance by the very rich is colosal in comparison to benefit fraud, yet a man fiddling on the dole is "wanted dead or alive" by the right wing press, whilst Tory supporting billionaires are laughing all the way to the bank ( usualy in the Cayman Islands ).

Long on rhetoric, short on references.

witchfinder wrote:As a Labour supporter, the deficit does need addressing, and no matter what your particular brand of politics are, anyone who denies that the deficit needs sorting out is not living in the real world.

But - its the way in which the deficit is sorted out, how you save money and gather extra money to close up the hole in finances, fairly or unfairly, the Conservative way or another way.

The finance industry ( banking ) is getting away with murder, yet British pensioners have their Winter Fuel Payment taken off them. ?

The general public see the price of virtualy everything rise due to increased VAT, yet the government reduces Corporation Tax to big business. ?

The Conservative part of the coalition wish to do away with the 50p tax rate, enabling the very well off to be even more well off - and at the same time they take benefits from the disabled.

Someone living in a house worth £320,000 in East London pays the same council tax as someone living in a house worth £3 million in Chelsea.

The amount of tax avoidance by the very rich is colosal in comparison to benefit fraud, yet a man fiddling on the dole is "wanted dead or alive" by the right wing press, whilst Tory supporting billionaires are laughing all the way to the bank ( usualy in the Cayman Islands ).

I have to agree with it all. Typical Tories, they target the unemployed, elderly and disabled whilst the rich scummers and bankers get away 'scott free'.

oftenwrong wrote:Long on rhetoric, short on references.

That's modern politics dear chap.

blueturando wrote:So the Coalition was RIGHT, Ed? Balls admits Labour would NOT reverse tax rises and spending cuts... and public sector pay freeze is here to stay
Shadow chancellor now says he accepts freeze up until 2015

Refuses to commit to the next Labour government reversing tax rises or spending cuts
Union conference likely to vote on whether to remain affiliated to the party
Bob Crowe: Balls has betrayed Labour's union supporters
Tories: 'Balls and Miliband look like they’re conceding defeat'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2086631/Ed-Balls-speech-Labour-NOT-reverse-tax-rises-spending-cuts.html#ixzz1jZNqCwlu

I see you bunch of hypocrits coveniently missed this one...So I guess you are all outraged and have no party to support or vote for now?

If you are going to quote Ed Balls please have the decency to write the exact words, to start with Ed Balls and the Labour party have said from the beginning they would have not cut so DEEP and so FAST as this Tory led Gov't, secondly we do not know what state the books are going to be in when we do come into power after all your Mr Osbourne has borrowed £150 Million more than what he expected to borrow due too the rise in the unemployed and all that money just to pay J.S.A and H.B and all this from the man that does not have a degree in Economics unlike Ed Balls who has a degree in Economics from a good Uni.

And since your gov't has come into power there has been a set up of FOOD BANKS and not for the unemployed the majority of people that HAVE to use it is the people that are going out to work doing the right thing according to your Gov't because of pay cuts and pay freezes rising prices and inflation they can not afford to live, and come this April they are not just going to be hungry they will be Homeless as well because your Gov't is cutting something else Housing benefit.

Don't worry about us there will always be a Labour party to vote for, are you worried that by May 2015 the UK turns a lovely shade of RED and you know it will take a very long time for people to vote Tory because they will be SICK to the back teeth of this Tory led Gov't and all its cuts for the poor while the bankers and the City and the top 10% of the population get off Scot free the normal working man has not got a hope in hell thats because certain people STUPIDLY voted Tory not enough to give them an outright win but by now know what a stupid thing they done by voting for the Tories I am quite sure they will never make that mistake again.

NOT LOOKING GOOD FOR ED

Ed Miliband's personal ratings have fallen to their lowest level since he became Labour leader in 2010, according to a new poll.

Prime Minister David Cameron's ratings have risen to their highest since 2010, even though Labour and the Conservatives are level-pegging in the battle for voters' support.

The Ipsos Mori survey for Reuters found that 56% of those questioned were dissatisfied with Mr Miliband's performance as Labour leader, compared to 30% who were satisfied - down four points since December.

His ratings among Labour supporters had also fallen, to 46% satisfied and 44% dissatisfied. Meanwhile, some 46% of those questioned said they were satisfied with Mr Cameron's performance.

Overall, Tories and Labour each enjoyed 38% support, with Liberal Democrats on 12%. Conservatives were down three points and Labour one point since December, while Lib Dems were up one point.

http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/ed-miliband-ratings-at-lowest-level

NOT LOOKING GOOD FOR ED

blue. Presumably you didn't see PMQT today, when the general consensus seems to be that Ed trounced Cameron on both the economy and the NHS. Cameron has found one Tory doctor in Doncaster who is supposed to like Lansley's reforms, and that was his answer to the poll of GPs which found that 98% of them are against the changes - along with the nurses and the Royal College of Midwives.

As you know Ivan, I agree with you on the NHS issue, but why is Ed failing to convince the Labour party supporters and the wider electorate....and please do say right ring media conspiracy as that line is wearing very thin

" but why is Ed failing to convince the Labour party supporters and the wider electorate....and please do say right ring media conspiracy as that line is wearing very thin"

Bluey, why do you ask a question of ivan, then place restrictions on how he should answer it.

If you agree with the NHS issue which is the Tory flagship )if you dont believe me, ask the Doctor in Doncaster), how comes you still support them, and exactly what is it about them you do actualy support, if anything>

By the way bluey, your avatar is way out of date, the bitch doesn't look like that anymore. She is wrinkled, stooped and is almost dead.

Don't worry Bobby when she goes I will change it for a skeleton in a cape with sythe, just to keep the faithfull happy

It is always likely to be the case that Tories will not wish to be reminded about the impact effected by a daily dose of bilious propaganda so thoughtfully ( and dishonestly) dished up by their chums in the printed media.

It is their principal line of attack and support and is invaluable in trying to sell to a gullible public the unpalatable as something to be cherished. To deny that it is an essential tool in underpinning (and excusing) government policy is as futile as pretending that one Lionel Messi is unimportant to Barcelona Football Club and its present success...

Hello blue. There has been a lot of unrest on sites such as 'Twitter' about Ed's leadership, and I've had doubts myself, but I watched PMQT today and he certainly came out fighting!

Just as the Tories lost in 1997 because a lot of their core supporters - including you, I believe - didn't bother to vote, so Labour lost in 2010 because many of its traditional supporters either stayed at home or voted for the Lib Dems, a mistake they're not likely to make again. So the party needs to appeal to its core supporters, to give them a reason to turn out and vote next time.

Another factor is that the polls suggest the Tories and Lib Dems have successfully persuaded people - by repeating the lie often enough, as Goebbels used to advise - that Gordon Brown caused the global credit crisis. I think that during the Christmas recess, Ed's advisers suggested to him that if people aren't listening, there's no point in continuing to rebuff that lie.

What the two Eds seem to be saying - and what has been misrepresented, as Redflag indicated above, is that they're not promising to reverse any cuts at this point in time. That's because they don't know what sort of state the country will be in by 2015 and what other things will have been cut, so they can hardly prioritise now. Secondly, they have said that creating new jobs will be a greater priority than increasing the wages of those already in work, and I would expect most people would agree with that.

The recent reaction against Ed Miliband from Labour supporters is understandable because they want all the cuts reversed, but he's not foolish enough to promise that. Labour has been saying since 2010 that it would have cut spending, but not as deep and not as fast, in order not to extinguish what little growth there was, as Osborne seems to have done. The IMF now seems to be agreeing with that line. Whether Ed will survive in his job is anyone's guess; as Harold Wilson once said: "A week is a long time in politics".

Sorry just a short reply now as I am leaving the office to beat the traffic.....but just to say good!!! I want Ed to come out fighting...we all need him to be a stronger opposition to Cameron.
My main concern (Forgeting political differences) is that we somehow get the country out of this mess and I believe a stronger opposition can only help.

I will answer in more detail later....thanks

Ivan wrote:

NOT LOOKING GOOD FOR ED

blue. Presumably you didn't see PMQT today, when the general consensus seems to be that Ed trounced Cameron on both the economy and the NHS. Cameron has found one Tory doctor in Doncaster who is supposed to like Lansley's reforms, and that was his answer to the poll of GPs which found that 98% of them are against the changes - along with the nurses and the Royal College of Midwives.

I seen PMQs today Ivan I also saw the debate after on how he did, I am happy to report OUR MAN did very well and five o clock BBC news 24 even and because of the Economy shrinking by 0./02 per cent even the media are starting to believe what the Labour party have been saying so expect his rating in the polls to start to rise plus when people are made homeless and the general public see what his cuts really mean to the people that have lost there jobs through his cuts and now he is making them homeless to BOOT.

Just to let you all know another private sector company has bit the dust a Kent based company Thamelink Steel has just gone into Liquidation with a loss of another 400 hundred jobs so Osbourne you will have to get your begging bowl out again there is another 400 people will be looking for J.S.A.

I think Ed needs to work on his self-confidence. When faced with Tory incompetents like Cameroon, he needs fight dirty and brutal. Instead he tends to let Cameron walk all over him. Lets face it a real bruiser would trounce the Tories there's plenty of material by way of economic data and other things goin wrong like the NHS reforms to get at the incompetents!

LWS wrote:I think Ed needs to work on his self-confidence. When faced with Tory incompetents like Cameroon, he needs fight dirty and brutal. Instead he tends to let Cameron walk all over him. Lets face it a real bruiser would trounce the Tories there's plenty of material by way of economic data and other things goin wrong like the NHS reforms to get at the incompetents!

Your quite right LWS I watched PMQs today and Ed Miliband had Scam...er...on by the short and curlies.

I think today was a good day for Ed and the Labour Party, though unfortunately at the expense of bad news on the economy.

What Mr Miliband and the shadow cabinet need to be doing is repeating the same messages over and over, in order that it will set people thinking.

In 2010 when Gordon Brown left office the GDP was 1.1%, when George Osborne gave his first budget in July of that year he predicted growth in 2012 of 2.8% - but instead we are on the edge of recession again.

Today Mr Cameron said much of the problem was because of the Eurozone crisis, strange then that Germanys GDP figures are so much better than ours, and Germany been the number 1 Eurozone member.

The lies and the excuses of the coalition need to be blasted out of the water, the truth is that growth has been cut off because of the policies of the government.

Tell it how it is Ed

Hi Bobby....On your earlier post.

The NHS issue is not the Tory flagship policy as you put it. It may be yours though I guess.
I sent an email to Ivan last night saying that I originally agreed with the NHS reforms, bit I am now against them. This is due to 3 things.....firstly I don't think the reforms have been thought through properly as is shown with more and more consultasions. Secondly, if the Royal college of nursing has come against the reforms, then that has to be taken seriously...they know what they're talking about.
And third...on a more personal level I have been convinced by the aguements and points put across by posters on here like you and Ivan.
I dont always agree with every Tory policy and I am sure you don't always agree with every Labour policy either, but I do believe the Tories are a better choice to get the country out of the current mess despite the bad news on the economy today

".... I do believe the Tories are a better choice to get the country out of the current mess despite the bad news on the economy today"

But if the Tory plan is to sacrifice the Nation's less-privileged on the altar of International Business, they can go and perform unnatural impossible acts upon themselves.

they can go and perform unnatural impossible acts upon themselves..

They've tried that before:-
http://zagria.blogspot.com/2008/09/stephen-milligan-1948-1994-journalist.html

Bluey. Thanks for your honesty on your last post, its something we are not used to from a Tory, so very well done.

If the NHS is or isn’t the Tory flagship policy isn’t important, although I personally believe it is, just a point if it isn’t, what is?

There are three major changes in the offing, NHS top down reform, The Welfare System and not forgetting the economy.
Regarding the NHS, we had just before Herr Cameron let Landsley loose on it, the highest levels of satisfaction ever, yet the Tory led Coalition still felt they have to interfere with it for no other reason but to fulfil their Ideological dreams, this after a firm promise from Herr Cameron "There will be no Top Down Reform of the NHS and The NHS is safe in our hands" and of course it will be to the detriment of those who can not afford to pay for private medicine, which aint them.

Welfare, does IMHO need reforming, but the Tory idea of one size fits all, will never work, and all they will create is a race to the bottom, instead of increasing the minimum wage to encourage people back to work, they are cutting benefits, this at a time when they are causing through their useless policies, many more unemployed, he says he will get people back to work, perhaps you as a Tory will be able to tell me where this work is, that Herr Cameron is set on driving people into.

Then we have the economy, well its seems that the very word has become an misnomer as it seems after getting on for two years of Tory misrule, we no longer have an economy worth a mention. Every promise, or projection has gone down the shute, and he has always found something else to blame, now he is blaming the Euro zone, the Labour created Credit Crunch , the Japanese Tsunami, a hot summer, a cold winter, wet rain, a one day strike, yet it was OK to give everyone a day of for some rich kids wedding, in fact they said we would make money out of it, yet another plan that was revised to it cost us money.
Exactly what have they come up with, that hasn’t had to go back to the drawing board to be reworked because the original was crap.
I could admire your loyalty to a party that even tried a bit, but this Tory led Coalition is riding on the skins of their arses, and making it all up as they crawl along, even after a rewrite, they still cant get anything right. But then perhaps when they grow up, they might have a better idea, what confirms this belief is their childish public schoolboy behaviour in the House of commons.

Perhaps this is the place to list the achievements of the Tory-led Coalition.




How much space should I leave?

blueturando wrote:Hi Bobby....On your earlier post.

The NHS issue is not the Tory flagship policy as you put it. It may be yours though I guess.
I sent an email to Ivan last night saying that I originally agreed with the NHS reforms, bit I am now against them. This is due to 3 things.....firstly I don't think the reforms have been thought through properly as is shown with more and more consultasions. Secondly, if the Royal college of nursing has come against the reforms, then that has to be taken seriously...they know what they're talking about.
And third...on a more personal level I have been convinced by the aguements and points put across by posters on here like you and Ivan.
I dont always agree with every Tory policy and I am sure you don't always agree with every Labour policy either, but I do believe the Tories are a better choice to get the country out of the current mess despite the bad news on the economy today

You are joking I hope they had a problem when they came into office, and all I can see is they have made it worse borrowing UP unemployment UP and Debt UP food prices UP gas and electric UP and before you start saying its nothing to do with this Gov't. They have done NOTHING to help either instead of always bleating on about the DEFICIT why not harp on at these companies I know, that will never happen as I was around when Thatcher sold them to friends of the Tory party and the City quite a few of them where caught with there hands in the cookie jar trying to buy more than they where allowed to buy, When people start to be put out of there homes due too greedy private landlords but of course the Tories are only targeting the families and not taking a look at is that house worth the rent because once there empty they will stay that way unless the private landlords get unlucky and end up with squatters which in some cases this does happen, There will end up trouble on the streets of the UK and not the young ones this time.

oftenwrong wrote:Perhaps this is the place to list the achievements of the Tory-led Coalition.




How much space should I leave?

That is far too much space OW, your giving them too much CREDENCE

'Flag, you did not mention VAT UP 5%