Will the cruel Tory welfare reforms save any money?

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My personal opinion is that the current spate of tory reforms to the benefit system are cruel, regressive, and worst of all won't save money (the alleged intention).



In a supposedly modern civilised country one would think housing would be considered a human right.......rather than simply an investment / a chance to make a fast buck.

I note there is talk of a yacht for the biggest benefit claimee of them all. I note over £10billion has been spent on the olympics. I note £32billion is being spent on a high speed rail link (london-birmingham) - this will shave, a no doubt absolutely vita,l 32mins off the journey (essential??!!!) and be used by a miniscule % of the UK population.

How about investing this money in affordable social housing instead? Or do government no longer care to invest in those they view as peasants and serfs?

The tories efforts to turn the nation against those unfortunate enough to find themselves unemployed via vile smears, and an insidious propaganda campaign, are reminiscent of Nazi germany's propaganda campaign against the jews.

Iain Duncan Smith is a disgusting human being and has blood on his hands.

Instead of kicking the weakest targets that can't defend themselves....maybe the Bullingdon bullies should try picking on somebody their own size.....like the bankers, or benefit leeching corporations like Tescos.

They currently resemble a 20st thug stamping on a little girls head.

Welfare is essential and if we are to remain a civilised country we owe it to ourselves to provide for those less fortunate; unless we want to see people starving and homeless turning into savages.

The biggest burden on the UK in recent times has not been the unemployed.....welfare is not a burden - it is an essential expense in a civilised nation.

The biggest burden, and the cause of much unemployment, has been the rich greedy bankers who have cost this country, and us taxpayers, untold £billions in order to benefit a few. They have placed the real burden on the UK.

The compliment is very nice and appreciated MEL, but I am sure I am bottom of the class as far as finance goes

Mel wrote:Hello Red,

I may seem to be up avove the clouds at times, but "ASTRA" not my non de plume, sir and he is better educated than me in any case.

So sorry Mel It was done in a hurry I was off out to my MSPs office to stick and stuff so that her newsletter gets out this month, so I hope Im forgiven.

Not a problem at all Red, for you I could forgive anything.
Errrrrrr, well almost on reflection.

Mel wrote:Not a problem at all Red, for you I could forgive anything.
Errrrrrr, well almost on reflection.

Thanks Mel you have a forgiving heart, I have been sticking stamping and stuffing all day my fingers are numb.

"Stuffing" Red? Chicken or something else???????

Mel wrote:"Stuffing" Red? Chicken or something else???????

Sticking labels on envelopes and then stuffing the Newsletter into the envelope Mel, Its something I do to help my Labour party its not a lot but I do it gladly as most on this forum would do (I think) .

Admirable, Admiral Red.

Mel wrote:Admirable, Admiral Red.

Thanks Mel your so kind I have to go back in on Monday to finish off and then it all starts again helping my Councillor so thats me sticking and stuffing only this time its letters looking for support for our Labour council.

I'm surprised that the Labour party hasn't re-mortgaged your local party headquarters yet Red, they have done to the majority evn though they don't own them. Sub Primes anybody?

We can confidently leave sub-prime lending to those Tory W, Bankers who in the year before the Credit Crunch, 2007, lent more to each other to buy derivatives than they lent to the entire British Manufacturing Industry.

Genius, Pure Genius.

oftenwrong wrote:We can confidently leave sub-prime lending to those Tory W, Bankers who in the year before the Credit Crunch, 2007, lent more to each other to buy derivatives than they lent to the entire British Manufacturing Industry.

Genius, Pure Genius.

Of course you are a " Pure Genius" OW, and there still not lending to small manufacturing or any other small business as per the MERLIN PROJECT.

Every time we have PMQT, the hypocrite Cameron stands up and feigns concern for British casualties in Afghanistan. At the same time, soldiers still on a tour of duty have been told that they're being sacked as part of the defence cuts. When they get home, they'll no doubt be expected to work for nothing for Tesco or Asda in order to get any benefits. Wounded soldiers are also being sacked, and will have to find work, along with countless other disabled people, even though there are hardly any jobs for the able-bodied.

Children who have lost their fathers to the fighting in Afghanistan are now in the firing line themselves from this hideous and vicious Tory-dominated government. Gove has decided he’s going to axe a pupil premium payment for servicemen’s children one year after their parent’s death. Can the scum who are ruling Britain at the moment sink much lower?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/how-dare-we-target-army-kids-690495

Are there any groups this government has not targeted for cuts?

Party Donors seem to have escaped.

Did anyone hear todays BBCRadio 4 You and Yours on the case where a Carehome company sent a bill for £3052 to the daughter of one of their residents because he had not given them 4 weeks notice of his intention to die.......

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b01c7lk8

Whilst I can understand that a provider should be able to require as part of a contract for services of 4 weeks if someone decides that they no long wish or need to remain in their care I think that it is a bit much to also demand this charge if the person dies.......

Opinions/comments?

I heard the item on the car radio, and concluded that the reason for the fiasco is the usual one when dealing with British Companies - the individual writing Final Demand letters has an imperfect grasp of English Law or even the job they are meant to be doing.
The type of contract appropriate to a Care Home is not dissimilar from an ordinary Rental Contract, inasmuch as it allows either side to give a month's notice of intention to bring the arrangement to an end.

Supposing the Company operating the Care Home had cut legal costs by copying someone else's form of contract, it's easy to understand why nobody spotted that requiring a month's notice of intended death is not entirely practical. A solicitor would not have included such a phrase in that sort of agreement.

In the specific case broadcast, it's now up to someone with sufficient intelligence, to apologise on behalf of the Care providing Company.

oftenwrong wrote:Party Donors seem to have escaped.

I guess they are the plucking lucy ones because every body else is getting the chop even the NHS staff are being cut but then again the private health nurses will cover that I DO NOT THINK.

David Laws, the former chief secretary to the treasury, said Mr Osborne should start "ending austerity" for millions of households by moving towards the coalition's goal of raising the income tax threshold to £10,000.

Seems Balls call for tax cuts is rubbing off on some. One expects deaf ears from Gideon and Camer-con.

Hello Mel Mate. Could it be just a swift kick up the arse from the bum bandit, as he didnt get the job he expected.

oftenwrong wrote:Party Donors seem to have escaped.

With juicy bonuses or juicy contracts in the NHS for good measure, and of course the low paid and the recently unemployed.

astradt1 wrote:Are there any groups this government has not targeted for cuts?

No astradt1, o bar from Bankers....forgot about them sh........t

Stox 16 wrote:

astradt1 wrote:Are there any groups this government has not targeted for cuts?

No astradt1, o bar from Bankers....forgot about them sh........t

Or as we all know ALL THAT POUR MONEY INTO TORY PARTY ELECTION FUND.

Police have arrested four former employees from a company that holds government welfare-to-work contracts.

The government has been urged to suspend its work programme contacts with A4e, based in Slough, Berkshire.

The company is chaired by Emma Harrison, who was appointed by the prime minister, David Cameron, in 2010 to help get troubled families into work.

Its five shareholders were paid £11m in dividends last year, of which Harrison received 18%.

The ongoing investigation concerned four former staff who were working on European Social Fund contracts, and are alleged to have falsely claimed that people had been placed into employment.

£11 million in dividens and 18% to the tart engaged by Camercon. Another job for a Tory friend.

Where privatisation and profit are concerned fraud will take place eventually.
Cameron is sailing close to the wind with his friendly engagements.
We still await the Coulson enquiry, that seems to have been hushed up at present.

Help to get troubled families into work? my arse!!!!

my arse!!!! Piles can be painful. Try suppositories.

Seriously. I agree with you. If we really knew how much money is going in fraud and backhanders, especially in the European Parliament, we could probably solve UK's deficit, at least for a year. Did you notice that we are contributing £500 each family to the Greek debt as well

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Did you notice that we are contributing £500 each family to the Greek debt as well

Does that mean we can have a free holiday in Athens.

Does that mean we can have a free holiday in Athens.

Not at all Bobby. More like it will mean that the Greeks think we are so rich that they can rip us off Double Time on this years holiday!

If anyone is daft enuff tae go there in the first place.

bobby wrote:Did you notice that we are contributing £500 each family to the Greek debt as well

Does that mean we can have a free holiday in Athens.

All you have to do is pay the airfare, accommodation and food. The sun is free.

"the sun is free" Murdoch wont like that

Never mind the Greeks, it's the Italians I worry about-- Bless em bobby.

Mel wrote:Never mind the Greeks, it's the Italians I worry about-- Bless em bobby.

Don't worry about the Italians. They've got the Pope and the RC Church wealth to fall back on. ooops. If that fails there's always the Cosa Nostra.

astra wrote:

Does that mean we can have a free holiday in Athens.

Not at all Bobby. More like it will mean that the Greeks think we are so rich that they can rip us off Double Time on this years holiday!

If anyone is daft enuff tae go there in the first place.

Well astra Im going to Weston-Super-Mare for my holidays this year back to the place I went last year with the same company and same Hotel and will get to spend a day in lovely Bath and a wee visit to lovely Devon so that my holidays.

Hello Red, it's the caravan for me this year, inbetween checks.

It's "Old Age Travellers" for us! And I don't care what the weather is doing - only auld Boreas (that's Mc gonnigall coming out of me!) can hold us back. Don't know if it is Northumberland, Dumfries and Galloway or Warwickshire or all 3 areas all things permitting.

astra wrote:Hello Red, it's the caravan for me this year, inbetween checks.

It's "Old Age Travellers" for us! And I don't care what the weather is doing - only auld Boreas (that's Mc gonnigall coming out of me!) can hold us back. Don't know if it is Northumberland, Dumfries and Galloway or Warwickshire or all 3 areas all things permitting.

Im sure you will have have a nice time astra and knowing that God looks after his own so the sun will shine for your holiday Im sure my fingers are crossed for you and your holiday.

astra wrote:Hello Red, it's the caravan for me this year, inbetween checks.

It's "Old Age Travellers" for us! And I don't care what the weather is doing - only auld Boreas (that's Mc gonnigall coming out of me!) can hold us back. Don't know if it is Northumberland, Dumfries and Galloway or Warwickshire or all 3 areas all things permitting.

Hi astra
That sound very relaxing too me..nice one..

http://latestnews.virginmedia.com/news/uk/2012/02/23/camerons_family_champion_quits


The boss of a welfare-to-work firm at the centre of police investigations over alleged fraud has quit as the Prime Minister's "Family Champion", she announced.

Emma Harrison said she did not want the probe, which has seen four ex-members of A4e staff arrested, to distract from the Government's efforts to help vulnerable families.
But her departure from the unpaid role did nothing to ease pressure from the head of a Commons public spending watchdog for A4e's Government contracts to be suspended.

In a statement, Ms Harrison, personally appointed by David Cameron in December 2010 to lead efforts to get hundreds of households into employment, said she had asked to step aside. "I do not want the current media environment to distract from the very important work with troubled families," she said amid the ongoing controversy surrounding her business. "I remain passionate about helping troubled families and I am grateful for the opportunity to contribute in an area where I have been active for many years."

Mel wrote:

Police have arrested four former employees from a company that holds government welfare-to-work contracts.

The government has been urged to suspend its work programme contacts with A4e, based in Slough, Berkshire.

The company is chaired by Emma Harrison, who was appointed by the prime minister, David Cameron, in 2010 to help get troubled families into work.

Its five shareholders were paid £11m in dividends last year, of which Harrison received 18%.

The ongoing investigation concerned four former staff who were working on European Social Fund contracts, and are alleged to have falsely claimed that people had been placed into employment.

£11 million in dividens and 18% to the tart engaged by Camercon. Another job for a Tory friend.

Where privatisation and profit are concerned fraud will take place eventually.
Cameron is sailing close to the wind with his friendly engagements.
We still await the Coulson enquiry, that seems to have been hushed up at present.

Help to get troubled families into work? my arse!!!!

Thank Mel/astra

I missed this story...how very interesting...this is more mud that could well stick too him...always thought there was something a bit fishy about this woman Harrison...as she just popped up from know where...how very interesting Mel

Stox 16 wrote:

Mel wrote:

Police have arrested four former employees from a company that holds government welfare-to-work contracts.

The government has been urged to suspend its work programme contacts with A4e, based in Slough, Berkshire.

The company is chaired by Emma Harrison, who was appointed by the prime minister, David Cameron, in 2010 to help get troubled families into work.

Its five shareholders were paid £11m in dividends last year, of which Harrison received 18%.

The ongoing investigation concerned four former staff who were working on European Social Fund contracts, and are alleged to have falsely claimed that people had been placed into employment.

£11 million in dividens and 18% to the tart engaged by Camercon. Another job for a Tory friend.

Where privatisation and profit are concerned fraud will take place eventually.
Cameron is sailing close to the wind with his friendly engagements.
We still await the Coulson enquiry, that seems to have been hushed up at present.

Help to get troubled families into work? my arse!!!!

Thank Mel/astra

I missed this story...how very interesting...this is more mud that could well stick too him...always thought there was something a bit fishy about this woman Harrison...as she just popped up from know where...how very interesting Mel

She is supposed to be a friend of Scam..er..on this name is starting to fit him, it will stick there is plenty of people that will never let him forget what he tried to do to the young adults.

"Will the cruel Tory welfare reforms save any money?"

Yes of course for one purpose in particular. Wait for the Gideon budget. You can bet your life that the boy in short trousers will do what Cameron said he would do "when the time is right" CUT THE TOP RATE OF TAX. The excuse, "it will assist employers to expand and take on more staff".
What a load of cock, all that will happen is directors and chairmen will put the cash in their back pockets and extra fund their already greedy lifestyles.

Plough the proceeds back into their businesses? It's a joke.

Watcha Mel, what proves your point is the vast profits being made by many of the larger company's, yet unemployement isn't going down, its still on the rise.

Hello bobby boy

The old saying bobby, "money goes to money" and don't the Tories make sure of that my good friend?