Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

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In my opinion, the UK under our extreme right-wing government is rapidly degenerating into velvet glove fascism.

Like all fascists, Hitler was against trade unions and socialists. Similarly, Michael Gove vilified primary school teachers and dinner ladies, many of whom went on strike for the first time in their lives on 30 November last year, as “militants itching for a fight”. Gove has plans for military cadets in every school (Cameron Youth?) and a return to children sitting in rows reciting lists of kings and queens in history lessons, rather than learning to think. Hitler also realised how important history was to indoctrination when he ordered the mass burning of books. Tories close libraries.

Hitler made sure that he controlled the media. The Tories have cowed the BBC by threats of fragmentation and sharing the licence fee with others, such as Murdoch. The BBC, which was required to be impartial, has become just another mouthpiece for Tory propaganda. As soon as they came to power in 2010, the Tories instructed every minister to repeat over and over again the whopping lie that Labour, not Tory bankers, caused the global credit crisis. We have the repeated lie about everyone in the public sector getting “gold-plated pensions”, when the average is only £5,600 per annum. As Goebbels said: "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." Cameron has proved over and over again that he’s a pathological liar.

Hitler divided and ruled the German people by scapegoating Jews and gypsies. The Tories are demonising those who receive benefits, one result of which is that disability hate crimes are increasing. Duncan Smith went on breakfast television on 27 May 2010 and made the chilling remark: "Work makes you free". That's an exact translation of the sign which used to hang over the entrances to concentration camps.

The Tories have plans to force 50,000 disabled youth to work for companies such as Sainsbury's and Tesco's unpaid. Cancer patients are being made to undergo work assessments while being treated with chemotherapy, and wounded soldiers are being sacked. (Osborne is willing to take money from the disabled and cancer patients, but not prepared to veto Hester's bonus from the largely state-owned RBS.)

The police are being trained to shoot people with rubber bullets and will be issued with water cannon, yet the Tories were so keen on helping Arab rebels in North Africa. Two unknown Scottish teenagers made a joke on 'Facebook' about organising riots, and they both received four years in jail. A prominent Tory TV presenter (and personal friend of Cameron) made a tasteless joke about murdering trade unionists on prime time television; nothing was done about it and the BBC continue to pay him £1 million a year of our money.

We don't have any concentration camps in the UK, but the principles are the same - propaganda, indoctrination, and divide and rule by demonising a section of the population. While Hitler gassed Jews, the Tories clearly don't care if benefit claimants starve to death. Even payments from the Social Fund, for those in the most desperate need, will no longer be available from job centres but will be at the 'discretion' of local councils, who will not have to ring-fence the money. All the ingredients of fascism are there, but it's just being handed out to us in a more genteel form than Hitler used - in velvet gloves.

astra wrote:Sherbet Dip? !!!!!!!


All we had was a rhubarb stick and a wee bag of sugar!!


I would have maimed someone for a sherbet dip!!

You have brought long forgotten memories back astra rhubarb and a bag of sugar and of course some bodies rhubarb patch had a few sticks missing !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But seriously folks! There is no end to the Tory's determination to grind the faces of the Poor. Using the excuse of the Olympics Year (well, someone has to pay for it) Sunday Trading restrictions are to be abolished.

Yes, lads and lasses, you no longer need to worry about what to do on your day off - because you won't be having one.

Ah, those Tories.

Has any Party ever been more willing and anxious to turn cruelty into an art form...?

and they have assistance .......

http://www.tenanteviction.org.uk/?gclid=CP2A5oz78K4CFVEjfAodeyptLQ

Strange - it seems to omit any mention of the Platinum Service ( £1250 + VAT) for which the errant tenant will be kneecapped to order and forced to join the local Conservative Association...

oftenwrong wrote:and they have assistance .......

http://www.tenanteviction.org.uk/?gclid=CP2A5oz78K4CFVEjfAodeyptLQ

Yes your quite right OW those Richard heads that call them selves Lib/Dems have got a bloody cheek but i know come this May when all the local elections are on they will be punished and I will stay up that night to see them loose seat after seat and maybe after that they may cave in.

So now it couldn't be clearer, after the Budget.

It's The Toffs against the rest.

How many votes have they got? How many of us are there?

Full marks for cheek!

oftenwrong wrote:So now it couldn't be clearer, after the Budget.

It's The Toffs against the rest.

How many votes have they got? How many of us are there?

Full marks for cheek!

There leaving us no other option but to have a day or two of CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE, that may stop there plans to grind the poor and the low paid into the ground or take us back to the days that Charles Dickens books are based around.

RED, civil disobedience won't even leave the ground.
We have a tanker driver's strike coming up and the Army are getting trained to do the rounds.

If WE as the general public just did not buy fuel for a fortnight, enough would be said to any government.

But would they take the Greens stance and say "you don't need your cars for two weeks you can do without altogether!"

I think the fuel VAT returns are vectored into the calculations for the next 5 years so I would hope confusion reigns in Whitehall!

by astra Today at 9:39 am



RED, civil disobedience won't even leave the ground.
We have a tanker driver's strike coming up and the Army are getting trained to do the rounds.

If WE as the general public just did not buy fuel for a fortnight, enough would be said to any government.

But would they take the Greens stance and say "you don't need your cars for two weeks you can do without altogether!"

I think the fuel VAT returns are vectored into the calculations for the next 5 years so I would hope confusion reigns in Whitehall

The real problem with civil disobedience is time. A national tanker drivers strike would be effective, given a sustained strike. The Army does not have enough tankers fulfil public demand over a period of time, nationwide. The only way to sustain a strike like this would be for other unions/public to support striking drivers financially by 'donating'.

Time always is the problem in any 'strike' or 'civil disturbance' for it inevitably means sacrifices by those taking part, the general public, and public goodwill. We are not good at making sacrifices unless it doesn't affect us directly.

I think the government would be hard pushed cover the revenue lost by reduction of fuel sales, as you say. They could, of course, cut the welfare budget a bit - oh, they've already done that

I would suggest one slight amendment to your last comment.
..........so I would hope confusion reigns supreme in Whitehall.

Though I honestly think they don't know what they're doing now.

The Tory-led Coalition know that they can't expect to be re-elected, and are rushing to get all their dogmatic business done in time.

The reason for so many U-turns and re-writes can be found in a very old proverb:
More haste less speed.

oftenwrong wrote:The Tory-led Coalition know that they can't expect to be re-elected, and are rushing to get all their dogmatic business done in time.

The reason for so many U-turns and re-writes can be found in a very old proverb:
More haste less speed.

To expect to be voted back in in 2015 (if they last that long) they are either brain dead or they think we are brain dead, there is another By-Election this week in Bradford due to ill health of the standing Labour MP and George Galloway is standing I think this will give us a look at what is going to happen in the local Election in May.

Just at the moment, it's no longer easy to point a finger at a National newspaper and describe it as supportive of the Government.

Well, would YOU support everything they're doing?

A headline from today: "Banker's bonuses to be delayed until after April next year."
Read between the lines.
SNAFU.

More evidence of the fairly rapid decline into fascism under this Tory-dominated government. Michael Meacher writes:-

"The nature of the British state and the government’s contempt for personal freedom come to a head with new laws proposed for the Queen’s Speech next month. It was already known that the government intended to bring forward a law to allow the police and MI5/6, without a warrant, to access data from every phone call, email, text message and internet browsing. Now the government is proposing to add secret courts to total surveillance.

It will extend closed procedures used in certain terrorism-related immigration appeals to any civilian trials where ministers decide evidence is too sensitive to be disclosed, even where they are themselves defendants. The East German Stasi would have been proud of such a totalitarian constraint on freedom and removal of the powers of the State from scrutiny.

The government defence of secret justice is based on patently spurious claims that the justice system puts national security at risk. It derives from lobbying from the security services who argue that some evidence disclosed in the Binyam Mohammed and other Guantanamo cases was based on material supplied by the CIA who have now demanded that this channel be blocked from disclosure in future……The complicity of ministers in all sorts of unsavoury and improper activities in future will be able to be blotted out from public scrutiny."

For the full article:-
http://www.leftfutures.org/2012/04/hiding-government%E2%80%99s-sins-and-misdemeanours/

What happened to all those Liberal Democrat concerns about civil liberties when ID cards were proposed? Why isn’t David Davis resigning his seat in Parliament and fighting yet another unnecessary by-election? What hypocrites they are!

There are signs from the Judiciary that they are not about to roll over and play dead on behalf of CIA Spooks. Watch this unravel as have one or two other bright ideas from the Coalition.

oftenwrong wrote:There are signs from the Judiciary that they are not about to roll over and play dead on behalf of CIA Spooks. Watch this unravel as have one or two other bright ideas from the Coalition.

According to the daily papers 5/4/2012 after Clegg saying no he got a slap from Davey boy would said it would go through and will be done through the Queens speech so this is another Bill that will be rushed through the H.O.C.

Hitler stated that the disabled were a burden on society that Germany couldn't afford in the 1930s. Today, in the seventh richest nation in the world, Cameron tells us that the welfare bill cannot be afforded by society.

Last year over 1,000 sick people, who were deemed fit for work by assessors appointed by this extreme right-wing Tory government, died before they even got around to clocking on for work.

Another 105 people are known to have committed suicide after failing their eligibility-for-benefits tests by the French company ATOS, which has been awarded multimillion pound contracts from our taxes.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2126040/BBC-bias-Is-Corporation-representing-British-nation.html

I wonder if one of the reasons for moving BBC program production to the North West is that it now means that when a politician is asked to come on to a news/current affairs program, at short notice, it will be from a remote studio in the HoC and they will not have to answer questions from the interviewer Face to Face......?

Ivan, Isn't it strange how quiet our resident Tory Boys are and they are prolific dailymail Readers, and regularly quote from it.

bobby wrote:Ivan, Isn't it strange how quiet our resident Tory Boys are and they are prolific dailymail Readers, and regularly quote from it.

Maybe bobby the daily fail is sick of re-hashing old hypocritical clap trap.

The Daily Snail is running with the fox and hounds , the editors have the grey matter to know that more people who are disenfranchised will lean towards the paper if they give the coalition a hard time..........on the surface I stress. Behind closed doors they will be thick as thieves .

Scarecrow wrote:The Daily Snail is running with the fox and hounds , the editors have the grey matter to know that more people who are disenfranchised will lean towards the paper if they give the coalition a hard time..........on the surface I stress. Behind closed doors they will be thick as thieves .

If the daily fail expects us to buy there garbage they will be plenty people that will not be fooled, the only ones that will have any pressure on the coalition is the good people of the UK who by now are getting HISSED OFF with this shower of TOSSPOTS.

"Riots may be controlled with chemicals"

Police look at firing chemical irritants at rioters in search for 'less lethal' weapons, such as plastic bullets, to deal with civil disorder:-

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/apr/09/riot-control-chemicals-plastic-bullets?CMP=twt_gu

At what point are we entitled to ask the UN to intervene and bring about 'regime change' in the United Kingdom, in order to rid us of this Tory fascist tyranny?

Ivan wrote:"Riots may be controlled with chemicals"

Police look at firing chemical irritants at rioters in search for 'less lethal' weapons, such as plastic bullets, to deal with civil disorder:-

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/apr/09/riot-control-chemicals-plastic-bullets?CMP=twt_gu

At what point are we entitled to ask the UN to intervene and bring about 'regime change' in the United Kingdom, in order to rid us of this Tory fascist tyranny?

A good idea would be to spoil there happiness, how everybody goes on strike but stays at home so that way they do not get to use for chemical irritants on us, just leave huge placards up every where that way they will know we mean business and there will be no need for police but to be honest I do not think the normal bobby would not against the people of the UK after all the cuts they have given the police.

Why Hitler would have been so proud of Cameron and his corrupt and evil regime:-
1. Social cleansing.
2. Genocide.
3. Divide and rule.

http://socialwelfareunion.wordpress.com/2012/04/29/todays-britain-adolf-hitler-would-have-been-so-proud/

The difference being that Hitler evidently believed in what he was doing, he wasn't just money-grubbing.

Apologies! But I feel the need to repeat an earlier post.

sickchip wrote:I'm afraid you might all be very wrong!

I think you all need to understand that this is a three party coalition - con/lab/lib. The feigned tension/opposition between laboour and tory parties is all part of an elaborate drama played out to hoodwink the public into believing we are still a democracy. The main agenda of this 3-party coalition is to drive the masses down economically (reduce standards of living) in order for the minority to compete, and profit, in a global economy. Thatcher started it, new (not really) labour exacerbated it, and now bullingdon tories are hammering the final nails into a coffin containing social mobility, workers rights, etc. Labour are working hand in hand with the tories......don't be fooled by the scripted dramas between them.

Lowering living standards is by no means a solely british agenda.....it is the agenda of all western economies.

Labour and the Conservatives have basically been doing a 'good cop, bad cop' routine on the electorate......they might appear different, but make no mistake they're working as a team.

make no mistake they're working as a team..

sickchip. Try telling that to Ed Balls.

Do you really think that Labour MPs - and party members - would have allowed terminally ill cancer patients to be forced to undergo fitness-for-work tests? Do you really think they would have scrapped DLA - the benefit which Cameron claimed for his son - for disabled children? Do you really think they would have put a 12-month cap on certain benefits which means that from tomorrow, some people will be left with nothing to live on? Do you really think they would have cut the top rate of tax while robbing pensioners and charging more for pasties? Have you ever known a PM as surrounded by so much sleaze and incompetence as Cameron?

Your cynical and negative attitude is corrosive and only benefits the Tories, whose dozy, cretinous supporters will turn out to vote whatever Cameron and the rest of his corrupt scumbags do. Voting for anyone other than Labour just helps the Tories, and if you can't see any difference between the last two years and what preceded it, I feel sorry for you.

Sickchip,

Just because you were perhaps one of many who were brainwashed by the media/press against Labour, does not in any way give you a valid reason for tarring Labour with the same disgusting brush that belongs well and truly to the Tories and a few bristles to those yellow barstewards.

Playing "Devil's Advocate" is a time-worn debating gambit, but like Irony can be misunderstood by an audience without the extra assistance of seeing the debater's facial expression and body-language.

That said, there is a widespread belief in the Country that all Politicians are bastards so it doesn't matter who gets elected, since you still get shafted but in different ways.

Apathy is the real enemy.

Ivan / Mel

....make no mistake - I will always vote Labour over the tories; but I will not refrain from criticising Labour for their betrayal of the working classes since 1997. I will persevere, and so should other labour supporters, in attempts to get the party back to where it should be. IMO there are still too many remnants of Blair's new Labour pulling the party strings.

I don't think settling for the 'best of a bad bunch' is acceptable....do you?

Sickchip, "their betrayal of the working classes "

Please explain.

Mel, will the following suffice?

Under 13yrs of Labours tenure economic inequality accelerated at its fastest rate in modern times, social mobility declined rapidly, and wage differentials continued to widen at pace.

Labour deregulated the banks thus facillitating practices that led us you know where, sold our gold reserves at their lowest price, got us involved in Afghan/Iraq - an engagement that has cost us £billions, bloated the number of those employed in the public sector by creating inessential jobs - I believe this was done to cover up for the lack of real jobs available and to massage the unemployment figures, and eventually used our taxes to bail out their buddies, and masters, in the banks.....

.....and I haven't even mentioned Labour's encouragement of house price inflation in order to create the illusionary boom blue blooded Brown and Tory Bliar liked to boast about. Now, of course. the housing market is knackered - young people can't get on the property ladder and renting is sky high so traditional households are out and dysfunctional dwelling is forced on people.....thanks New Labour!

- as much as I deplore the Tories victimisation of those at the bottom of the heap, I will not accept the lie that Labour is on the side of ordinary people.

In 13yrs labour did what exactly to reverse such policies and redress the social balance?

Precisely nothing! They accelerated tory/thatcherite policies and pursued precisely the same course of favouring the wealthy and increasing inequality. The labour party are batting for the bankers and corporations........exactly like the tories.

On the question of banking deregulation - did blue blooded Gordon not take Thatchers deregulation further when he created the wholly farcical FSA? Yes.

Did the labour party reinvest in affordable social housing to a point that made a difference? No.

Did they price working class people out of a university education? Answers please.

Blair's party were only a Labour party in name.

Oh and how come under Labour an underclass grew at pace?
Or do supporters of labour like to sweep such inconveniences under the mat like their party does?

Let us not forget that the two Eds and the other currently prominent labour mps all were part of the blair/brown machine.........they all championed and supported that betrayal of the working classes.

Mel wrote:Sickchip, "their betrayal of the working classes "

Please explain.

I think betrayal is too strong to use Mel, I think I know what Sickchip is meaning the Labour values is the reason for some of us to become Labour voters and a lot of them have been lost by the wayside, after all Labour party is ran by people that are human and as you know humans can make mistakes not intensionally but because of human failings, I have always voted Labour but not until May 2010 did I become a member and I can see things that need to be changed within the Labour party.

sickchip wrote:Mel, will the following suffice?

Under 13yrs of Labours tenure economic inequality accelerated at its fastest rate in modern times, social mobility declined rapidly, and wage differentials continued to widen at pace.

Labour deregulated the banks thus facillitating practices that led us you know where, sold our gold reserves at their lowest price, got us involved in Afghan/Iraq - an engagement that has cost us £billions, bloated the number of those employed in the public sector by creating inessential jobs - I believe this was done to cover up for the lack of real jobs available and to massage the unemployment figures, and eventually used our taxes to bail out their buddies, and masters, in the banks.....

Sorry Sickchip you have got this one wrong Thatcher de-regulated the Banks in 1983, granted Labour never brought in regulation in there time in office which would have stopped the bank crisis of 2008, and we would not be having the cuts that this Gov't is bringing in now or would we that is the Million dollar question?.

Redflag,

Brown failed to regulate the banks, went along with continued further deregulation, and exacerbated the problems by setting up the wholly inadequate, and farcical, FSA.

The real point about this though is Labour's cosying up to bankers being an example of them turning their backs on it's traditional voters. It displayed a tacit support of Tory ideology and thinking.

I campaigned tirelessly to help get Blair elected as PM. I was at Lindsey Hoyle's (Deputy Speaker) house, in chorley taking numbers all day and knocking people up to get our vote out. We then had a party in a club in wigan to watch the results being announnced, it was one of the happiest nights of my life...especially seeing Portillo lose his seat! But within a short time I began to feel like Blair was more of a tory than labour, and I really hate all that New Labour crap! I didn't want "New" labour, I just wanted him to be true to the labour party and stick to our socialist roots.

Then when he took us into an illegal war with Iraq that was it for me. I cut my membership card in two and sent it back with a strongly worded letter! I want to be a member of a party that is proud to use the word Socialist, a party that thinks unions are a good thing, a party which stands up for our NHS. I can totally understand why people still point a finger at the labour party, the problem is that it seems afraid at times the stick up for what it's supposed to believe in.

I am a card carrying member again. I rejoined so that I could vote for Ed. I'm giving them a second chance. If David Milliband had won I wouldn't have stayed a member to be honest. He's too much of a blairite for me personally, and I can't help the fact that Blair just reminds me of a soft tory.

It's such a shame that John Smith died so prematurely, I think he'd have made a great PM.

Adele Carlyon wrote:I campaigned tirelessly to help get Blair elected as PM. I was at Lindsey Hoyle's (Deputy Speaker) house, in chorley taking numbers all day and knocking people up to get our vote out. We then had a party in a club in wigan to watch the results being announnced, it was one of the happiest nights of my life...especially seeing Portillo lose his seat! But within a short time I began to feel like Blair was more of a tory than labour, and I really hate all that New Labour crap! I didn't want "New" labour, I just wanted him to be true to the labour party and stick to our socialist roots.

Then when he took us into an illegal war with Iraq that was it for me. I cut my membership card in two and sent it back with a strongly worded letter! I want to be a member of a party that is proud to use the word Socialist, a party that thinks unions are a good thing, a party which stands up for our NHS. I can totally understand why people still point a finger at the labour party, the problem is that it seems afraid at times the stick up for what it's supposed to believe in.

You are a very wise women AC, and I agree with you except for the NHS Andy Burham has fought tooth and nail for the NHS and has promised that if it is possible ( the 49% that has been handed over to the private health sector) he will REPEAL the NHS Bill that this Incompetent Gov't rushed through Parliament with the help of the L/Ds, and they are another shower of half wits that where willing to sell there SOULS to the devil for a CRUMB of power, I am hoping the people of the entire UK give them a right doing at the local elections, as for the Labour party I only became a member in May 2010 after this mob got in because I knew what was coming that is the reason I joined although I had always voted Labour.

Im sorry to hear you say that you cut your Labour party membership up, but do understand why you done it and can not berate you for it, here is a piece of advice a good friend of mine gave me and a good Labour man, you can not change the things that need changing while outside the party you have too be inside to effect change hope this helps AC.

I didn't mean to sound too critical over the NHS, it's just that Blair opened some of it up to the markets which I thought was disgraceful. I'm happy that I'm a member again, I like Ed, I think he's capable of great things, but he needs to focus on the important things and avoid getting pulled into a constant shit fest with cameron. I just wish he's stop being so scared of supporting the unions. Jeez, it's what the party is supposed to beieve in. There are so many people out there who are working hard, gaining nothing and are natural labour voters...he needs to get them to vote, thats the problem.