Are the Tories velvet glove fascists?

by **Ivan** Sat Jan 28, 2012 5:21 pm

First topic message reminder :

In my opinion, the UK under our extreme right-wing government is rapidly degenerating into velvet glove fascism.

Like all fascists, Hitler was against trade unions and socialists. Similarly, Michael Gove vilified primary school teachers and dinner ladies, many of whom went on strike for the first time in their lives on 30 November last year, as “militants itching for a fight”. Gove has plans for military cadets in every school (Cameron Youth?) and a return to children sitting in rows reciting lists of kings and queens in history lessons, rather than learning to think. Hitler also realised how important history was to indoctrination when he ordered the mass burning of books. Tories close libraries.

Hitler made sure that he controlled the media. The Tories have cowed the BBC by threats of fragmentation and sharing the licence fee with others, such as Murdoch. The BBC, which was required to be impartial, has become just another mouthpiece for Tory propaganda. As soon as they came to power in 2010, the Tories instructed every minister to repeat over and over again the whopping lie that Labour, not Tory bankers, caused the global credit crisis. We have the repeated lie about everyone in the public sector getting “gold-plated pensions”, when the average is only £5,600 per annum. As Goebbels said: "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." Cameron has proved over and over again that he’s a pathological liar.

Hitler divided and ruled the German people by scapegoating Jews and gypsies. The Tories are demonising those who receive benefits, one result of which is that disability hate crimes are increasing. Duncan Smith went on breakfast television on 27 May 2010 and made the chilling remark: "Work makes you free". That's an exact translation of the sign which used to hang over the entrances to concentration camps.

The Tories have plans to force 50,000 disabled youth to work for companies such as Sainsbury's and Tesco's unpaid. Cancer patients are being made to undergo work assessments while being treated with chemotherapy, and wounded soldiers are being sacked. (Osborne is willing to take money from the disabled and cancer patients, but not prepared to veto Hester's bonus from the largely state-owned RBS.)

The police are being trained to shoot people with rubber bullets and will be issued with water cannon, yet the Tories were so keen on helping Arab rebels in North Africa. Two unknown Scottish teenagers made a joke on 'Facebook' about organising riots, and they both received four years in jail. A prominent Tory TV presenter (and personal friend of Cameron) made a tasteless joke about murdering trade unionists on prime time television; nothing was done about it and the BBC continue to pay him £1 million a year of our money.

We don't have any concentration camps in the UK, but the principles are the same - propaganda, indoctrination, and divide and rule by demonising a section of the population. While Hitler gassed Jews, the Tories clearly don't care if benefit claimants starve to death. Even payments from the Social Fund, for those in the most desperate need, will no longer be available from job centres but will be at the 'discretion' of local councils, who will not have to ring-fence the money. All the ingredients of fascism are there, but it's just being handed out to us in a more genteel form than Hitler used - in velvet gloves.

by betty.noire Sun Aug 05, 2012 8:42 pm

KnarkyBadger wrote:
Mel wrote:Things are "that bad", in fact they are worse than bad and will get even worse unless the British public along with ALL the Unions unite and go on all out strike. Otherwise things will get beyond repair and these buggers in power know it.
Perhaps those who do not consider things "bad" at present are of the minority well off or else they are prepared to see others suffer without a care, until too late they become badly affected themselves. Let us then ask them if they think "things are worse" when they too are suffering the maulings of these tyrants.

Totally agree! Especially re unions the TUC and the union leadership (PCS excepted) needs to fight. If they dont thye grassroots should force them out. Its the only way - you can not negotiate with this government, they are not of us and dont care.

Typical socialst response, dont get what you want, throw your rattle out of the pram

by **Phil Hornby** Sun Aug 05, 2012 8:53 pm

This 'injection of humour ' is a real bonus . Eventually, it might even become amusing.... Very Happy

by Mel Sun Aug 05, 2012 9:29 pm

"Just trying to inject some humour "

TRY THIS FOR HUMOUR BETTY!!!!!!

Blowing the disabled a raspberry

The DWP pays a private company, Atos Healthcare, £100 million
a year to carry out tests to determine whether people claiming
Disability benefits are fit for work.

In recent months, thousands of people have disappeared from the
long term disability register after being called in for interview.
Most didn’t even bother turning up. (they automatically lost their
benefits accordingly)

So how have Atos achieved such a remarkable success?
In Norwich the centre where the tests are being conducted has
no car park, is nowhere near public transport links and is inaccessible
to wheelchair users.

Disability activists recently staged a demonstration outside the centre
after a number of wheelchair-users were refused entry on -- you guessed
--elf’n safety grounds.
One claimant who had travelled from Buxton for the assessment said she wasn’t even allowed in to use the toilets.

All disability tests are carried out on the second floor and Atos say that in the event of fire, it is too dangerous for people in wheelchairs to use the lifts.

Brilliant.
That’s one way of cutting the numbers. It might not be fair, but who gives
Atos?

According to a recent televised programme on Atos, things are even worse
for thousands who manage to attend. Atos are apparently not interested in
GP,s or hospital reports, nor as to how many ailments people suffer. All they are interested in is asking a few questions that are loaded to trick people
into a corner.
Following tribunals of which there have been thousands, many decisions made by Atos have been overturned in favour of the claimant. However it takes 18weeks for the DWP to make the back payments and people are suffering financial hardship along with acute anxiety problems through no fault of their own. The majority are suffering because of the few who abuse the system and the government have used these few cases to promote public agreement that something should be done about the situation, exacerbated by the Tory supporting media/press.

Part extract from LittleJohn’s Daily Mail article.

FINDING THAT HUMOUROUS BETTY???

by bobby Sun Aug 05, 2012 9:32 pm

betty noire said : Just trying to inject some humour.

Well done Black Betty, but might I suggest you try a little harder cos it aint workin, or perhaps you just aren’t funny.

Betty could you furnish we plebs with some facts regarding this Governments achievements, you must like them, why else would you jump to their defence at every opportunity.

by Mel Sun Aug 05, 2012 9:33 pm

"Its the only way - you can not negotiate with this government, they are not of us and dont care."

Absolutely correct KBADGER.

by bobby Sun Aug 05, 2012 9:36 pm

Hello Mel good post.

by Mel Sun Aug 05, 2012 9:41 pm

Hello bobby,
I'm afraid she is another dithering political party supporter, who says she has voted for both main parties in the past. Now it seems neither are good enough for her. However, as you say bobby, she must quite like this lot so far, otherwise why jump to their defence?

by Mel Sun Aug 05, 2012 9:45 pm

"What I have seen since May 2010 , however, is a very unpleasant and spiteful government which is not only not interested in the welfare of some of the most vulnerable people in Britain, but actively promotes policies which favour the already well-off."

Well said Phil. cheers

by oftenwrong Sun Aug 05, 2012 9:51 pm

betty.noire wrote:

Typical socialst response, dont get what you want, throw your rattle out of the pram

Few people choose strife over a quiet life. Fewer still actually stir themselves to make public protest about perceived injustice. The majority of people living in Britain today do actually have food in their bellies, warm clothing available, and adequate shelter together with an income sufficient to their needs. Some, of course have more than enough for their needs, with access to more money than they could reasonably spend in their lifetime, yet it is those very people who are jealous of the State Benefits received by the less privileged.

Pointing out the divisive nature of such attitudes is far from being a childish outburst.

by astra Sun Aug 05, 2012 10:09 pm

All disability tests are carried out on the second floor and Atos say that in the event of fire, it is too dangerous for people in wheelchairs to use the lifts.

S'funny that!!

The Atos test "clinic" is on the 2nd floor in Sunderland!

They often SWITCH OFF THE LIFT,, and if you get to the top step, they are not concerned of your condition, "You Climbed up the stairs!"

Their orifice in Regent Centre, Gosforth, Newcastle operates on EXACTLY the same principle

in both places, disabled parking is useless, as, it is FAR more important for people to do their shopping than let us park near our destination! These parking spots are NEVER checked! I would have thought that the money raised from illegal parking would be just as welcome to Atos' coffers, but as Mel so eloquently says, they don't give a toss, do they!

by Ivanhoe Sun Aug 05, 2012 10:15 pm

betty.noire wrote:If things are that bad why don't you all up sticks and live in a communist tractor factory in North Korea or something ?

betty. noire, here we go again with the Communist factor, the only refuge for the politically ignorant, and the Tory party along with their supporters.

What your saying is that we should all be grateful for the small mercies metered out to us.

by Mel Mon Aug 06, 2012 9:18 am

As I understand it from several folk that have been struck off incapacity benefit, they still received DLA (if claiming DLA Disability living allowance). How is this so? any idea astra?? Seems rather strange to me. I think DLA is not means tested and incapacity is, not sure.

One very disabled person, 59yr old, is unable to get out of his house because he also suffers panick attacks and acute anxiety having lost his job, his wife and his home repossessed. The only way he can get to a hospital is to be sedated. Atos will not do a home visit and because he is unable to attend their interview he has lost his incapacity benefit. Suicide is likely, just as quite a few others have attempted and succeeded.

I have written at length to the Tory MP and have not received the courtecy
of a reply, surprise surprise.

Apart from the £100million Atos receives anually, they I believe receive £2000 for every person they kick off incapacity benefit.

So much for Liberal Democrats restraining these Tory tyrants.

Guy Fawks return with a vengeance. Mad

by oftenwrong Mon Aug 06, 2012 9:37 am

[quote="astra"]

All disability tests are carried out on the second floor and Atos say that in the event of fire, it is too dangerous for people in wheelchairs to use the lifts.

Someone at Atos has clearly read Joseph Heller's book, Catch 22!

by astra Mon Aug 06, 2012 1:27 pm

folk that have been struck off incapacity benefit, they still received DLA (if claiming DLA Disability living allowance). How is this so? any idea astra?

I have been struck off the incapacity benefit now called Employment and Support Allowance - they pay my NHS stamp or whatever it is called now, but lost the payment itself. I still recieve DLA and higher end mobility

Incapacity is means tested, DLA and Mobility is not. this is the only thing I can see makes the difference.

£2,000 at £73.30 a week seems like a load of effort for little to me. Still it shows the blue rinse brigade that thigs are a appenin'

by Mel Mon Aug 06, 2012 2:32 pm

Thanks for the info astra. Strange that they still pay you the DLA having kicked you off incap, as I was under the impression that to obtain DLA one had to be very severely disabled.
I must be wrong because people on DLA I suppose are able to work.

Bloody confusing. How long before the tyrants get to work on DLA?

astra, I have just been told by a friend that incapcity benefit IS NOT means tested, only income support is. Have you got it right my friend?

by astra Mon Aug 06, 2012 4:00 pm

found this -

Pension income rules

If you have a gross pension income of more than £85 a week, the amount of benefit will be reduced by half of the excess.

The excess is the difference between £85 and the actual pension income. For example, for a pension income of £100, the excess is £15. The amount of Incapacity Benefit payable is reduced by half of that, which is £7.50.

Exceptions

This rule does not apply if:
•you were in receipt of Incapacity Benefit before 6 April 2001
•your claim is made under the linking rules for Incapacity Benefit and links back to before 6 April 2001
•you receive the highest rate of the care component of Disability Living Allowance

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/MoneyTaxAndBenefits/BenefitsTaxCreditsAndOtherSupport/Illorinjured/DG_10018913
http://www.dwp.gov.uk/healthcare-professional/benefits-and-services/incapacity-benefit/

it is because I recieved my works pension at 55 because of the Meniere's Disease, that I was means tested. My DLA etc is for the cancer.

by Mel Mon Aug 06, 2012 6:35 pm

astra,

Good God, what a bloody nightmare for you. I give you great credit for keeping your chin up so well.

by Adele Carlyon Mon Aug 06, 2012 7:12 pm

Mel wrote:astra,

Good God, what a bloody nightmare for you. I give you great credit for keeping your chin up so well.

I totally agree too! Hope you stay positive Astra. Keep on going wi yed down as we say in Wigan! x

by astra Mon Aug 06, 2012 7:51 pm

Thanks Peeps, the minute the old guard slips, is when to have a cup of tea and a think.

by Guest Wed Aug 08, 2012 6:11 pm

fascism [fash-iz-uhm]
fas·cism [fash-iz-uhm]
noun
1. ( sometimes initial capital letter ) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

Origin:
1915–20; < Italian fascismo, equivalent to fasc ( io ) bundle, political group ( see fasces) + -ismo -ism

World English Dictionary
fascism (ˈfæʃɪzəm)

— n
1. any ideology or movement inspired by Italian Fascism, such as German National Socialism; any right-wing nationalist ideology or movement with an authoritarian and hierarchical structure that is fundamentally opposed to democracy and liberalism

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fascism?s=t

by Guest Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:00 pm

Cultural Dictionary
fascism [( fash -iz-uhm)]

A system of government that flourished in Europe from the 1920s to the end of World War II. Germany under Adolf Hitler, Italy under Mussolini, and Spain under Franco were all fascist states. As a rule, fascist governments are dominated by a dictator, who usually possesses a magnetic personality, wears a showy uniform, and rallies his followers by mass parades; appeals to strident nationalism; and promotes suspicion or hatred of both foreigners and “impure” people within his own nation, such as the Jews in Germany. Although both communism and fascism are forms of totalitarianism, fascism does not demand state ownership of the means of production, nor is fascism committed to the achievement of economic equality. In theory, communism opposes the identification of government with a single charismatic leader (the “ cult of personality”), which is the cornerstone of fascism. Whereas communists are considered left-wing, fascists are usually described as right-wing.

Note : Today, the term fascist is used loosely to refer to military dictatorships, as well as governments or individuals that profess racism and that act in an arbitrary, high-handed manner.

The American Heritage® New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy, Third Edition
Copyright © 2005 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

fascism. (n.d.). The American Heritage® New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy, Third Edition. Retrieved August 08, 2012, from Dictionary.com website: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fascism

by oftenwrong Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:18 pm

I've always wanted an amanuensis who would, inter alia, look up the hard words for me.

But the references found are inevitably just someone else's opinion.

(sigh)

by **astradt1** Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:18 pm

"rallies his followers by mass parades; appeals to strident nationalism; and promotes suspicion or hatred of both foreigners and “impure” people within his own nation"

"fascism does not demand state ownership of the means of production, nor is fascism committed to the achievement of economic equality."

By the use of selective cut and paste this sounds a bit like the USA......

by Redflag Mon Aug 20, 2012 12:13 pm

Ivan wrote:Redflag. The minimum wage has already been undermined by these various 'workfare' schemes, with people being made to work for Tesco and other firms for nothing whilst on benefits. When Cameron's father was touting for work for his vile son, I'm quite sure he didn't offer his services free.

betty.noire. I shall treat your crass remark with the contempt it deserves. This is our country as much as yours, and we have a hybrid government which nobody voted for carrying out things which weren't in the manifesto of either party and not even in the coalition agreement. We have every right to be bloody angry about it.

Thank you Ivan, I suppose the zero hours contract is one of those schemes.

betty noire) Why don't you and the rest of the right wingers go and work in a tractor factory in North Korea then they might find out what a HARD DAYS WORK REALLY IS.

by Stox 16 Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:57 am

betty.noire wrote:If things are that bad why don't you all up sticks and live in a communist tractor factory in North Korea or something ?

Things are not that bad?..... where have you been for the last two years in Jail?

as I have written on economics and studied it for some 20 years and have more government data than most people have had hot dinners, plus run a company that deals in economics and sells date. I can tell you this is the worst two years of economic management with government figure I have ever seen or read since 1929.

all I can say is you need to get a real grip on economics and very fast.

Are the Tories velvet glove fascists? - Page 14 Images14

Are the Tories velvet glove fascists? - Page 14 Images14

by Ivanhoe Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:26 am

Stox 16, I have a theory. If any Western country builds social housing for people who cant afford to buy, because we arent all born rich, and that country has a good manufacturing and Industry base, and that country buys and sells to Europe which has the largest manufacturing and Industry base in the world.

And that country has a decent minimum wage, with fair taxes, then that countries economy will take care of it'self.

The Tory's will soon be rummbled, ever higher unemployment caused by stringent right wing economics, means less tax receipts, and this isnt going to get better, it will I hope bring this coalition down before 2015.

by Guest Thu Aug 23, 2012 7:56 am

Multiple parties and coalitions: The Achilles heel of the Westminster system as practiced by the United Kingdom.

View a scenario that ought to cause chills to run up and down the spines of every democracy-loving Brit. Election results, seats won in the House of Commons: Labour, 49%; Conservative, 26%; Liberal Democrat, 25%. Tories dislike Lib-Dems and hate Labour; Lib-Dems dislike Tories and hate Labour; Labour hates Tories and Lib-Dems.

Because of their common hatred of Labour and despite their mutual dislike of each other, Tories and Lib-Dems form a coalition government that nobody likes and the citizens of 49% of the constituencies hate. Fueled by their common hatred of a common political foe, this coalition is repeatedly reborn and continues to govern over, let’s say, the next three decades, always with a Tory PM that, because he never represents a majority party, becomes a de facto autocrat.

Given the feelings of many Brits hereon, that sounds like a nightmare from which awakening is impossible.

by **Ivan** Thu Aug 23, 2012 8:27 am

Rock. It doesn't quite work like that. 29 of the 650 MPs aren't in any of those three parties, since there are Scottish Nationalists, Welsh Nationalists, Irish Democratic Unionists, a Green Party member and now a Respect Party member (George Galloway).

If Labour won 49% of the seats it could form a government. It wouldn't take much to persuade those small parties to at least abstain, since most of them aren't fond of the Tories.

by oftenwrong Thu Aug 23, 2012 10:03 am

RockOnBrother wrote:
Multiple parties and coalitions: The Achilles heel of the Westminster system as practiced by the United Kingdom..... Tories dislike Lib-Dems and hate Labour; Lib-Dems dislike Tories and hate Labour; Labour hates Tories and Lib-Dems.....

Because of their common hatred of Labour and despite their mutual dislike of each other, Tories and Lib-Dems form a coalition government that nobody likes and the citizens of 49% of the constituencies hate. .

As you might imagine, in six hundred years of Parliament, most members of that exclusive club actually get along quite well with each other on a personal level. Sparks fly over differences of Party doctrine, and the polite fiction is of a Loyal Opposition challenging every attempt to govern on the part of the majority grouping. But a lot of business goes through on the nod because everyone agrees it to be necessary or desirable.

Parliamentary Enquiries, like the recent one into phone-tapping, comprise members from all Parties and on State Occasions you will see nominal enemies in amiable conversation. They are wholly united in deciding the size of their wage-packets, pensions, and allowable expenses. Following a General Election everybody may just change seats.

by Ivanhoe Thu Aug 23, 2012 10:19 am

oftenwrong wrote:
RockOnBrother wrote:
Multiple parties and coalitions: The Achilles heel of the Westminster system as practiced by the United Kingdom..... Tories dislike Lib-Dems and hate Labour; Lib-Dems dislike Tories and hate Labour; Labour hates Tories and Lib-Dems.....

Because of their common hatred of Labour and despite their mutual dislike of each other, Tories and Lib-Dems form a coalition government that nobody likes and the citizens of 49% of the constituencies hate. .

As you might imagine, in six hundred years of Parliament, most members of that exclusive club actually get along quite well with each other on a personal level. Sparks fly over differences of Party doctrine, and the polite fiction is of a Loyal Opposition challenging every attempt to govern on the part of the majority grouping. But a lot of business goes through on the nod because everyone agrees it to be necessary or desirable.

Parliamentary Enquiries, like the recent one into phone-tapping, comprise members from all Parties and on State Occasions you will see nominal enemies in amiable conversation. They are wholly united in deciding the size of their wage-packets, pensions, and allowable expenses. Following a General Election everybody may just change seats.

Yes and the pensioners vote the way their parents did, without giving thought to ideoligies, the middle classes vote Conservative/Tory because they cant tell the difference and they dont want to lose what they have aquired, and the young are left to experience joblessness, hopelessness, with many committing suicide in the process, while our politicians are still laughing all the way to the bank.

by Guest Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:06 pm

Ivan wrote:
Rock. It doesn't quite work like that. 29 of the 650 MPs aren't in any of those three parties, since there are Scottish Nationalists, Welsh Nationalists, Irish Democratic Unionists, a Green Party member and now a Respect Party member (George Galloway).

If Labour won 49% of the seats it could form a government. It wouldn't take much to persuade those small parties to at least abstain, since most of them aren't fond of the Tories.

Theoretically, each of those 29 could join an anti-Labour coalition and the scenario could unfold. That being said, it’s encouraging to hear that MPs from those parties are sufficient in number to preclude the scenario in the real world.

Nonetheless, if I were an enfranchised Brit, working to outlaw coalition governments would be a personal priority. The governing party ought to be the majority party. Perhaps, if no party achieves a majority in the House of Commons, a nationwide “party selection run-of” could be held, with choices limited to the two parties with the most MPs.

by **astradt1** Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:24 pm

Now lets see which country has a leader from one party with a upper house controlled by the opposition party?

Which countries leader finds it hard to set a budget to ensure that government workers can be paid and services continue to be provided to the masses?

In which country must there always be a winner and a looser, draws are not allowed?

by Guest Fri Aug 24, 2012 4:16 am

oftenwrong wrote:
As you might imagine, in six hundred years of Parliament, most members of that exclusive club actually get along quite well with each other on a personal level. Sparks fly over differences of Party doctrine, and the polite fiction is of a Loyal Opposition challenging every attempt to govern on the part of the majority grouping. But a lot of business goes through on the nod because everyone agrees it to be necessary or desirable.

Parliamentary Enquiries, like the recent one into phone-tapping, comprise members from all Parties and on State Occasions you will see nominal enemies in amiable conversation. They are wholly united in deciding the size of their wage-packets, pensions, and allowable expenses. Following a General Election everybody may just change seats.

Is that not a good thing? And if they (the MPs) get along so well personally, why does that not translate into a government, in Abraham Lincoln’s words, “of the people, by the people, for the people”, wherein the welfare of the people is looked after and jealously guarded regardless of the party or parties forming the current government?

by Redflag Fri Aug 24, 2012 10:01 am

Stox 16 wrote:
betty.noire wrote:If things are that bad why don't you all up sticks and live in a communist tractor factory in North Korea or something ?

Things are not that bad?..... where have you been for the last two years in Jail?

as I have written on economics and studied it for some 20 years and have more government data than most people have had hot dinners, plus run a company that deals in economics and sells date. I can tell you this is the worst two years of economic management with government figure I have ever seen or read since 1929.

all I can say is you need to get a real grip on economics and very fast.

I agree Stox they will be forever know as the "One Term Firm" and that is not going to look good on the cabinets CVs.

by **Ivan** Sat Aug 25, 2012 2:09 pm

On 17 August, a leaked extract from an unpublished book called ‘Britannia Unchained: Global Lessons for Growth and Prosperity’ appeared in ‘The London Evening Standard’. It said "The British are among the worst idlers in the world. We work among the lowest hours, we retire early and our productivity is poor. Whereas Indian children aspire to be doctors or businessmen, the British are more interested in football and pop music."

The book has been written by five Tory MPs, the most prominent of whom is Dominic Raab, the member for Esher and Walton. “The talented and hard-working have nothing to fear”, says Raab. However, the concept of 'the idle British' is just a lie. According to the Office for National Statistics, full-time employees in the UK work longer hours per week than the European Union average (42.7 compared with 41.6 across the EU). On average, a full-time employee in the UK works 300 hours a year more than his or her counterpart in Germany, suggesting that working longer hours doesn’t necessarily increase productivity. Only employees in Austria and Greece put in a longer working week, with both at 43.7 hours.

Writing for ‘The Guardian’, Andy Beckett says:-

Since last autumn there has been the smouldering controversy about the Beecroft Report, a government-commissioned review of employment law by the powerful venture capitalist and Tory donor Adrian Beecroft. His recommendations, including the loosening of regulations covering the employment of children, have so far proved too contentious to be adopted by the increasingly fragile coalition.

In January, the chief executive of Britain's biggest insurer Prudential, Tidjane Thiam, told the annual gathering of the global elite at Davos that across Europe "the minimum wage is a machine to destroy jobs”. Speaking at the South Bank Centre in London the following week, the far-sighted BBC economics journalist and author Paul Mason interpreted Thiam's remarks as a sign of an emerging "more radical version of neoliberalism, where we're basically, finally, told: "The race to the bottom, to be like China, is on, and we're all going to do it. So your wages will meet the Chinese somewhere, and so will your social conditions ... abolish minimum wages, abolish social protection".

These ideas are gaining support from many of the latest intake of Tory MPs. Do they really think that voters will be attracted by these plans to take us back to Dickensian times? The comments which follow the article from ‘The Guardian’ (see link below) make interesting reading. Far from the Tory Party being detoxified since Cameron became its leader, it seems to be moving further and further to the right, rather like the Republican party in the USA.

Sources used:-

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/aug/22/britannia-unchained-rise-of-new-tory-right?CMP=twt_gu

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-16082186

by **Phil Hornby** Sat Aug 25, 2012 3:23 pm

"...the concept of 'the idle British' is just a lie..."

Lies are the stock-in-trade of the Tory Party. When it serves their purposes there are no depths to which they won't sink, and no propaganda is too far removed from the truth to be utilised in the quest to manipulate public opinion.

We can but imagine what more might be fed to, and inflicted upon, the British public if we had a Tory Party with a large majority in Parliament and it must not happen - ever again. Past Tory administrations have been pretty despicable , but has any been more disgusting, cruel and spiteful than what we currently have to endure?

In time the Tory-influenced Press ( which constantly tries to undermine the BBC for reporting the truth) may have to account for its role in sustaining the conspiracy of distortion which Cameron and his fellow vermin are visiting upon the worst-off in the nation. If there is to be any justice for the poor and deprived, this government and its LibDem collaborators have to be despatched to history as soon as is humanly possible...

by Adele Carlyon Sat Aug 25, 2012 3:32 pm

And then you have the absolute cruelty that is being inflicted upon the disabled...

Article here from Polly Toynbee...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/aug/23/paralympians-state-help-disabled-benefits-cut

by bobby Sat Aug 25, 2012 4:28 pm

Hello Adele, I now think the time has come to remove the words "Velvet Glove" from this threads title.

With the splendid Polly Toynbee's article( Thanks), and Iain Dumcopff Schmidt and Herr Cameron planning to reduce and or means test the cold weather payment, this after the (Tory/Conservative/Lib-Dem) pond slime have already reduced it.

by Redflag Sat Aug 25, 2012 4:41 pm

bobby wrote:Hello Adele, I now think the time has come to remove the words "Velvet Glove" from this threads title.

With the splendid Polly Toynbee's article( Thanks), and Iain Dumcopff Schmidt and Herr Cameron planning to reduce and or means test the cold weather payment, this after the (Tory/Conservative/Lib-Dem) pond slime have already reduced it.

You forgot to add bobby the utility companies have already announced another 9% rise in gas & electricity come October when it is just starting to become cold, I'm afraid the Tories are dropping themselves in the SHYTE the more cuts that they bring in the worse things are going to become, Clegg would do better to break the coalition now that would stop the A.H. Tories from inflicting any more cuts and give the L/Ds a chance to gain some sort of creditability from the voters.

by bobby Sat Aug 25, 2012 4:48 pm

Absolutely right Red.

by **Phil Hornby** Sat Aug 25, 2012 5:32 pm

The Disabled - a Commentator's View...

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