How long do you think the coalition will last?

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I want people's opinion of how long they think this coalition will last. ?

blueturando wrote:

I am
For what constituency..

Narnia??

I guess that's the best response that any Tory could manage. Sorry bluey, but this country is coming to a standstill because you and people like you are the very real problem with this country, because somebody has to put these buggers into power.

blueturando wrote:

The Tories will lose the next GE...you hear it first on here from me.

That's always a possibility Stox....but then in your opinion, who's going to win it and why?

Smart remarks do indeed befit you bluey. What else can you say ?

Ivanhoe wrote:

blueturando wrote:

The Tories will lose the next GE...you hear it first on here from me.

That's always a possibility Stox....but then in your opinion, who's going to win it and why?

Smart remarks do indeed befit you bluey. What else can you say ?

Surely the British public will not vote this shower of Backstuds after what they have done to the working man while allowing the Bankers the City get juicy salaries and big fat Bonuses while the rest of us have pay freezes or lost there jobs.

Lets hope this will be known as the "ONE TERM FIRM".

Just a simple question that's all Ivanhoe....

Just want to know who you lot would win the next GE and why

UKIP!!

astra wrote:UKIP!!

Why ?

I dissagree with very little if anything you normally say V , but UKIP is one flag you wont see flying in my yard. They where bad enough wiv Kiljoy Slik, then came the one trick pony Farage, now I learn Niel (little brown envelope) Hamilton has joined UKIP, so sorry my friend not a chance in hell of getting my vote, anyway I'm pro Ruropean, only I want it run Right.

Hey V. I'v just noticed I'm from Rurope, as i'm the only one does that mean i'm the King.

UKIP....Now there's a possibility.

If the coalition fails and Labour still have no ideas, then UKIP maybe the option

blueturando wrote:Just a simple question that's all Ivanhoe....

Just want to know who you lot would win the next GE and why

Havent you missed a valid word out of your sentence Bluey ?

Neither of these three parties have got a hope in hell of winning the next General election. Albeit I would like to see the Greens in power.

Cameron and the Lib-Dems will go their seperate ways with their own manifesto's and we all know the Tory's manifesto dont we. If it moves, privatise, sod the young, the old, the ill, and the disabled. Tax cuts and profits for the top, always.

Clegg will not be Lib-Dem leader anymore. I predict possibly left wing Lib-Dem, Simon Hughes, either way the Lib-Dems will be thrown to the wasteland, and they know it, but do they deserve it ???????????

Ed Milliband is biding his time, and im so hoping that the largely politically clueless British public will have finally woken up to the reality of this ultra right wing fascist Tory party, since over 30 years ago they got elected under Thatcher, and we have not moved an inch further since.

David Cameron has declared that Labour should start "turning back" donations from the Unite union after its general secretary called for civil disobedience during the London Olympics.

Now i'ts Ed's turn to turn the deaf ear for once.

Tories??? don't like it up em for sure.

OK OK I hear you all.

The 3 main parties have soiled the nest since they started playing party politics and the respective Party Whips started their bribery.

Politics is not the same as football just football has become far more important in people's minds! Why do you think that is? How about - Football can be affected by the supporters, politics cannot be affected by the populace, so people have given up on politics.

It is a long long time since politicians ACTUALLY did something for the people of this country and their constituants. A long time!

I am not necessarily for the personalities in UKIP but I AM for the idea - a political party that will fight Britain's corner? The animal has not existed since the late 60s!

SNP once looked good, but again personalities have gotten in the way of producing a darned good idea. Maybe, it should NOT be the main party in Scotland, but it should be firing away to do what the opposition are not!

This is how I see politics in this your England. Bully boy tactics from the Whips, bully boy tactics from the leader, innefective opposition and all disappearing to lala land.

If UKIP can make enough noise TO MAKE THE MP's IN WESTMINSTER EVEN

START TO DO THE JOB THEY ARE EACH VERY WELL PAID TO DO, THEN IT WILL BE WORTH SUFFERING THE RIDICULE!


Bobby, the sentiments are not at you my friend, but even on this poage some of the off the cuff, haughty remarks are being deployed for no good effect.

A " simple answer" LABOUR by a mile blue.

Of course that will follow only when your beloved lot have scorched the earth which will never be able to be reversed and Cameron knows it, just as the Witch did with her doings.

David Cameron has declared that Labour should start "turning back" donations from the Unite union after its general secretary called for civil disobedience during the London Olympics

Hello Mel

It is the job of government to make sure the population are content to perform the tasks necessary. This Government has to realise that stick stick does not bode well for good governance. If as alluded above, they start to perform their task for the population then we may get somewhere.

It is not for Cameron to tell Labour what to do with their party funding arrangements.

It is the LACK of attention payed by the chipping norton set that has brought this about! (Iffin G. Broon esq. was in number 10, I cannot see the present empass being any different.)

Hello astra. UKIP?? I like the leader, he is robust and outspoken and hates the EU.

No chance of governance though, just like the LD's. Still a two horse race me thinks.

Cameron should be careful requesting Ed turn back donations. The likes of Ashcroft and Co should be dealt with in this way, along with all those Tories who fail to pay their proper taxes using overseas havens.

What's god for the goose and all that.

YOU ARE THE KING bobby boy

No chance of governance though, just like the LD's. Still a two horse race me thinks

That is how the SNP started, with Margo McDonald. She took stick, ridicule and all the torment that the 3 main parties, and the media could throw at her. I much misliked Robin Day after his sleezey behaviour when he interviewed this member of parliament.

Is anyone saying that UKIP cannot/will not accrue the stature of the SNP in a few years time? After all the 40 years of fawning to other countries, and big business, and banks all to OUR cost in the streets, then UKIP may well start being taken seriously by the people, and the "knowledgable" pundits, if only for their own survival start to adopt their ideas. Happened in Scotland! can happen here.

Whats this then Blue, getting ready to jump ship?

Mel wrote:At last we see some union proposed action against this horrible Tory administration, to be held at the time of the Olympic Games.

Mr McCluskey of Unite said ---

"The attacks that are being launched on public sector workers at the moment are so deep and ideological that the idea the world should arrive in London and have these wonderful Olympic Games as though everything is nice and rosy in the garden is unthinkable.

"Our very way of life is being attacked. By then this crazy health and social care bill may have been passed, so we are looking at the privatisation of our National Health Service. I believe the unions, and the general community, have got every right to be out protesting."

Mr McCluskey said that, because of the seriousness of the issues at stake, he was encouraging the public to engage in "all forms of civil disobedience within the law" in the campaign against cuts.

Timing perfect for maximum effect and about time too.

As our learned friend Often Wrong has said, " the unions and Ed are biding their time" He in not often wrong and not wrong this time it seems.

Do you seriously believe this is a good idea? Or will it only serve to make Unite that little bit more hated by everyone else in the country? Without wider public support they are/have nothing.
As they are fully aware of the above, do you not think this is just sabre rattling for media attention and for the pretense that people like you agree, even though the majority doesn't.
Olympic Games is an excellent opportunity for money to come INTO the country from visitors. Something we need to help sort out the financial mess we are in. So, what do the left do? Oh lets go and disrupt that!
Don't Labour and the unions realise the whole world will be watching them trying to disrupt an event which is supposed to be about uniting the people of the world in the spirit of games and sports.
If the likes of Len McLuskey and others believes that organised protest during the Olympics will produce a result in favour of his members they are barking mad. The only inevitable results will be further Union legislation, a growing belief that Public Sector workers are recklessly selfish and the rest of the world looking on in amazement at how far Britain has fallen.
I wonder if this idiot has given a moments thought to the effect a country in chaos would have on potential investors and job creators? or as with the lefties on here cheering him on, he is more concerned with the class struggle and who cares if the patient dies in the process?
But then and again looking on the the bright side, as I'm all for the total extinction of Labour and the Unions, I obviously hope they all take up his suggestion.

"Whats this then Blue, getting ready to jump ship?"

I hope he has a lifebelt bobby, the dirty old tanker is sinking and the Captain Dave has no idea it's taking water.

No ideas in any case, apart from wealth distribution from the botton to the top and that's all.

atv "Do you seriously believe this is a good idea?"

Yes, yes and yes again atv. When one is fighting an arrogant ruthless filthy enemy, then one is surely allowed to fight back with the strongest resistance possible.
The majority of people who are hurting (that does not include the better off) will welcome a voice on their behalf. After all their efforts/protests so far have fallen as we expected upon Tory deaf ears.
If the swine refuses to listen to the people, then he should be forced to. No other way with this stubborn ruthless animal.

"But then and again looking on the the bright side, as I'm all for the total extinction of Labour and the Unions, I obviously hope they all take up his suggestion."

I feel the same way about having the extinction of the Tory party atv.

I resent the word "idiot" being banded at me atv. Just because you are one of the few lucky products of the Witches WTS scheme, years ago, does not give you or anyone else for that matter the right to describe others as "idiots". It is a term used by the ignorant members of society.

But we do have to thank the French, the Germans, the Norwegians and the Russians for supplying Britain's energy. They couldn't have done that when Public Utilities belonged to the Public.

Mel wrote:-
I resent the word "idiot" being banded at me atv. Just because you are one of the few lucky products of the Witches YTS scheme, years ago, does not give you or anyone else for that matter the right to describe others as "idiots". It is a term used by the ignorant members of society.

Mel, with respect if the word "idiot" offends you personally, then I will apologies, but being called "Tory scum" is also offensive to many, Is that also a term used by the ignorant members of society?

REM "How long do you think the coalition will last?"

oftenwrong wrote:REM "How long do you think the coalition will last?"

Have you got any thoughts on that one OW, IMHO some time between the end of this year and 2013 if not before due to the friction between the Lib/Dems and the Tories but the Lib/Dem party conference is coming up and there awaits a HELLVA shock for Nick Clegg coming from the activists.

Ivanhoe wrote:Neither of these three parties have got a hope in hell of winning the next General election. Albeit I would like to see the Greens in power.

Cameron and the Lib-Dems will go their seperate ways with their own manifesto's and we all know the Tory's manifesto dont we. If it moves, privatise, sod the young, the old, the ill, and the disabled. Tax cuts and profits for the top, always.

Clegg will not be Lib-Dem leader anymore. I predict possibly left wing Lib-Dem, Simon Hughes, either way the Lib-Dems will be thrown to the wasteland, and they know it, but do they deserve it ???????????

Ed Milliband is biding his time, and im so hoping that the largely politically clueless British public will have finally woken up to the reality of this ultra right wing fascist Tory party, since over 30 years ago they got elected under Thatcher, and we have not moved an inch further since.

I will agree there Ivanhoe but they may gain more seats from the ones that the Tories and Lib/Dems will loose, thats funny Ivanhoe because Thatcher was the same if it moves sell it I came to the conclusion that she was getting ready to give is all meters on our back and charge us for the AIR that we breathed.

As for Nick Clegg there is a shock awaiting for him at his spring conference, One of his activists is a GP and he is getting up a petition signed by Lib/Dems so he may loose his job of leader long before 2015.

As for Ed Miliband biding his time you could be right do not worry about the British public they are just in need of a loud ALARM CLOCK, as I have said before when the reality of all the Bills been rushed through the H.O.C and the MYTHS that this Tory Gov't have been spouting about Scroungers and the CAP on Benefits then the British public will turn on there Tory MPs and the Lib/Dems MPs then all HELL will break loose.

atv "Tory scum" I agree has been used on theses threads. However, not to my knowledge when addressing another member directly following their posting.
Apology accepted as you are as a rule courteous towards others.

OW, you are beginning to sound like Dimbleby on QT.

Redflag wrote:

Ivanhoe wrote:Neither of these three parties have got a hope in hell of winning the next General election. Albeit I would like to see the Greens in power.

Cameron and the Lib-Dems will go their seperate ways with their own manifesto's and we all know the Tory's manifesto dont we. If it moves, privatise, sod the young, the old, the ill, and the disabled. Tax cuts and profits for the top, always.

Clegg will not be Lib-Dem leader anymore. I predict possibly left wing Lib-Dem, Simon Hughes, either way the Lib-Dems will be thrown to the wasteland, and they know it, but do they deserve it ???????????

Ed Milliband is biding his time, and im so hoping that the largely politically clueless British public will have finally woken up to the reality of this ultra right wing fascist Tory party, since over 30 years ago they got elected under Thatcher, and we have not moved an inch further since.

I will agree there Ivanhoe but they may gain more seats from the ones that the Tories and Lib/Dems will loose, thats funny Ivanhoe because Thatcher was the same if it moves sell it I came to the conclusion that she was getting ready to give is all meters on our back and charge us for the AIR that we breathed.

As for Nick Clegg there is a shock awaiting for him at his spring conference, One of his activists is a GP and he is getting up a petition signed by Lib/Dems so he may loose his job of leader long before 2015.

As for Ed Miliband biding his time you could be right do not worry about the British public they are just in need of a loud ALARM CLOCK, as I have said before when the reality of all the Bills been rushed through the H.O.C and the MYTHS that this Tory Gov't have been spouting about Scroungers and the CAP on Benefits then the British public will turn on there Tory MPs and the Lib/Dems MPs then all HELL will break loose.

Cant wait for this to happen Redflag. Cant wait.

So long as we don't get another CCL party, i am not that bothered. Can't see, UKIP, BNP, or the GREEN party winning though, but we certainly don't need the CCL party anymore (couldn't care less party). As i see it, the way things are going, there will only be one conclusion, an out right win for the Labour Party. The farce over the NHS will see to that.

Mel wrote:atv "Tory scum" I agree has been used on theses threads. However, not to my knowledge when addressing another member directly following their posting.
Apology accepted as you are as a rule courteous towards others.

Mel, Thank you,
You may have noticed I have edited my previous post, as I have no wish to intentionally offend anyone.

jackthelad wrote:So long as we don't get another CCL party, i am not that bothered. Can't see, UKIP, BNP, or the GREEN party winning though, but we certainly don't need the CCL party anymore (couldn't care less party). As i see it, the way things are going, there will only be one conclusion, an out right win for the Labour Party. The farce over the NHS will see to that.

Bloody well hope so., sad that we have to wait three more years though.

Ivanhoe says.
Bloody well hope so., sad that we have to wait three more years though

Maybe not, the Lib/Dems are starting to crack, there is only so much garbage they will swollow. Harold Wilson said a week in politics is a long time, three years will be an eternity to most of the Lib/Dems. There is only power hungry Clegg, the deputy prime minister and a couple of is croneys that will want to cling on to power. The Lib/Dems have lost to much credability, they will soon be trying to salvage what bit of honour they have left, that is if there is any left.

Ed Milliband is biding his time, and im so hoping that the largely politically clueless British public will have finally woken up to the reality of this ultra right wing fascist Tory party, since over 30 years ago they got elected under Thatcher, and we have not moved an inch further since.

IVANHOE.....Its hard to take you post seriously when you come out with Sh*t like this. 'Ulta right wing Fascist'???? Do you know what actually means, or once again are you just making it up as you go along? Maybe Labour are Ultra Left Wing Fascist then? Why don't we all just make it up and forget serious debate.

Its a shame really Ivanhoe, because the original question is a good one.....Oh well another thread for you and your leftie buddies to spit feathers over nothing...enjoy!

A " simple answer" LABOUR by a mile blue.

Of course that will follow only when your beloved lot have scorched the earth which will never be able to be reversed and Cameron knows it, just as the Witch did with her doings..

New Labour had 13 years to change whatever they wanted, surely that's what you can do when you're in government....unless that government doesn't really want to change those things.

No jumping ship here guys, but as I did in 97, if I am not happy with the progress made by GE time I will just not vote

blue. The Tory Party has certainly changed a lot in my lifetime. In the 1950s and 60s, it was about conserving the status quo, keeping things as they are, accepting a mixed economy where some thing are public and the rest are private. That was the post-war consensus known as 'Butskellism' (from the names of Labour Chancellor Gaitskell and Tory Chancellor Butler).

That all changed when your heroine came to power in 1979 and declared: "What are we conserving? We're conserving socialism." She moved the goalposts to the right and Blair left them there, but this shower of Tories - without even a majority of their own - have taken things much further to the right with their neo-con agenda.

I find this government - and in particular the mendacity of Cameron - to be quite frightening. Oliver Letwin admitted that after five years of the Tories there would be no NHS, yet the Tories have no mandate to destroy it. The incessant propaganda about the deficit would have made Goebbels proud, and the demonisation of those on benefits - regardless of their circumstances - is part of the slippery slope that led Hitler to scapegoat Jews.

I don't see how anyone can support a government which is prepared to take benefits from disabled children and make terminally ill cancer patients seek work if they're expected to live more than six months. As Sue Perkins said on 'The News Quiz': "The Tories haven't just crossed the line - they've urinated on it, picked it up and are using it as a skipping rope."

A Massive show of civil Disobedience now, and if that disobedience brings down this Tory Led Coalition and in turn delivers us a Labour Government. I think the damage will be much less in the long term. This Government are and will not do anything to get growth going, that in itself is ruinous, without making Austerity Cuts along side of massive spending on privatising the NHS. The Government is sick and we now need to perform a Governectomy, and we of Labour are the scalpel.

That all changed when your heroine came to power in 1979 and declared: "What are we conserving? We're conserving socialism." She moved the goalposts to the right and Blair left them there, but this shower of Tories - without even a majority of their own - have taken things much further to the right with their neo-con agenda.

I find this government - and in particular the mendacity of Cameron - to be quite frightening. Oliver Letwin admitted that after five years of the Tories there would be no NHS, yet the Tories have no mandate to destroy it. The incessant propaganda about the deficit would have made Goebbels proud, and the demonisation of those on benefits - regardless of their circumstances - is part of the slippery slope that led Hitler to scapegoat Jews

IVAN....From what I remember Britain had gone too far left prior to 79. We were in a mess, you and I know it. Thatcher had a tough job to do and I will say this now.....I think she got some things wrong...I think she let her battle with Scargill and the other unions push her too far to the right and I think many in her cabinet knew this and were uncomfortable with it. She became dictatorial and with help from Tebbit, she became a bully.....Spitting Image suddenly comes to mind ....But that was her downfall and eventually she was stabbed in the back in the end by her own people.
Blair started well, but could have done better at the end (and with Iraq)....I think he got punch drunk on the power and his place on the world stage. Saying that he had a duty as a Labour PM to take Britain back towards the centre ground and in part failed on this.

I don't know how well Cameron will do with what he has to play with between now and the next GE. He may well fail and then he would deserve to be voted out...For me the good of the country comes before party politics which is probably not a popular sentiment to most on here. I certainly don't believe he wants to take the country as far to the right as Thatcher...I may be proved wrong and I will eat humble pie if I am..........But you have to understand (and you know where Im coming from really) to start ranting that the Tories are Ultra Right wing fascists is a bit sad and more than a bit desperate.

The NHS is the holy grail and no one in their right mind wants to see it go or be privatised. The public, including the Tory public wont accept that...We all value the NHS and at some time in our lives will have benefited from it. I think Cameron has backed himself into a corner on the NHS reforms and now trying to ammend nearly every proposal is idiotic and chaotic. The NHS does need reform, but not top down reform...just re-investment in the right places and less wastage. This is not the time to do it though and I DO NOT support the goverment on this