Can God love? (Part 1)
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Can God love? (Part 1)
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Can God love?
We are told that the mythical bible God is love or the epitome of love.
Archetypal Jesus said that we would know his people by the love, deeds and actions they showed others.
Jesus gave us examples of the deeds and works. Feed the poor, love all our neighbours, do not sin and many others.
Love then, seems to Jesus, to be something that must be shown by deeds, actions and works to be alive and true love. Love, like faith, without works is dead. Both St. James and Jesus agree on this.
It follows then that if God is not doing something to show this love then the love for man expressed in scriptures is wrong and God cannot love.
You are in the image of God. When you love someone you show them that love by works and deeds. This is how the recipient of that love knows it is there and that allows for reciprocity. You will agree that without reciprocity, true love cannot exist between two individuals. We must do things for each other for true love to exist.
Imagine what those you love would think if you never did anything to express your love. Imagine what you would think of the love of others towards you if they never did anything to show they loved you. See what I mean. Love always must have deeds to be real and true and reciprocity must be at play.
Love then has no choice but to be expressed if it is true love.
We are told that God loved his son so much that he planned to have him sacrificed even before the earth was created. This human sacrifice or any other human sacrifice, voluntary or not, is immoral and the notion that it is good to sacrifice an innocent victim to give the guilty believers a free ride into heaven is a completely self-gratifying notion and is completely immoral. One does not show love for someone by having them sacrificed for the sins of others when God himself stated that we are all responsible for our own salvation and cannot put that responsibility of the shoulders of a scapegoat Jesus.
Does love need deeds and works to be expressed?
Have you seen God express his love for us lately?
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DL
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Can God love?
We are told that the mythical bible God is love or the epitome of love.
Archetypal Jesus said that we would know his people by the love, deeds and actions they showed others.
Jesus gave us examples of the deeds and works. Feed the poor, love all our neighbours, do not sin and many others.
Love then, seems to Jesus, to be something that must be shown by deeds, actions and works to be alive and true love. Love, like faith, without works is dead. Both St. James and Jesus agree on this.
It follows then that if God is not doing something to show this love then the love for man expressed in scriptures is wrong and God cannot love.
You are in the image of God. When you love someone you show them that love by works and deeds. This is how the recipient of that love knows it is there and that allows for reciprocity. You will agree that without reciprocity, true love cannot exist between two individuals. We must do things for each other for true love to exist.
Imagine what those you love would think if you never did anything to express your love. Imagine what you would think of the love of others towards you if they never did anything to show they loved you. See what I mean. Love always must have deeds to be real and true and reciprocity must be at play.
Love then has no choice but to be expressed if it is true love.
We are told that God loved his son so much that he planned to have him sacrificed even before the earth was created. This human sacrifice or any other human sacrifice, voluntary or not, is immoral and the notion that it is good to sacrifice an innocent victim to give the guilty believers a free ride into heaven is a completely self-gratifying notion and is completely immoral. One does not show love for someone by having them sacrificed for the sins of others when God himself stated that we are all responsible for our own salvation and cannot put that responsibility of the shoulders of a scapegoat Jesus.
Does love need deeds and works to be expressed?
Have you seen God express his love for us lately?
Regards
DL
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Tosh wrote:You concern me though as you seem to nothing better to do than to sit at the keeyboard. I hope you are not one of those lonely folk as that would explain and awful lot.
Mel, I have been in a wheelchair these last 5 years, my wife passed away last year and we had no children, I still have my loyal dog allbeit stuffed.
I post because I am lonely and have nothing better to do, and it seems you are in the same boat, are you also crippled or are you trying to chat me up ?
I wear my heart on my sleeve and my underpants on my head, and it has been some time since someone massaged my Ajna Chakras.
Yep! Things are tough all over. I was orphaned before I was born, given up for adoption by strict Catholics who taught me to learn every word of the Holy Bible off by heart, with the aid of a stout stick.
Every Friday we had fish, and every other day we looked forward to Friday. But I never complained, I just set fire to the house while they were asleep, which I guess made their eyes water though I do hope they realised who'd done it before they perished. I recognise those words of yours about the belts of gannymede but I didn't bother to write them down as we have "Blade Runner" on a DVD if I ever want to be reminded.
Sorry to hear about the wheelchair and all that, but how did you do in the Paralaympics? Not much point otherwise, was there?
Keep cheerfull!
Oh! and never try to kid a kidder. LOL
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Next Sunday's sermon will be entitled : " Why we should be kind even to those who don't deserve it ( Tories excluded)"
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Tosh wrote:
Hitler was a Christian…
Hitler was not a Christian.
Tosh wrote:
… the SS, Gestapo and all concentration camp personnel were Christian…
The SS were not Christians.
The Gestapo were not Christians.
All concentration camp personnel were not Christians.
Tosh wrote:
… it is fair to say Christians invented and promoted anti-semitism for nearly 2000 years.
It is fair to say that Christians neither invented nor promoted anti-Semitism for nearly 2000 years.
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Tosh wrote:
I will ignore the spamming troll Texas…
One cannot ignore that which does not exist.
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Tosh wrote:
Hitler was a CHRISTIAN fanatic…
Hitler was not a Christian anything.
Tosh wrote:
Hitler was… a Self-righteous CHRISTIAN…
Hitler was not an anything Christian.
Tosh wrote:
Hitler was… confident of his own CHRISTIAN righteousness…
Hitler was not confident of his own Christian anything.
Tosh wrote:
Hitler… had a CHRISTIAN intolerance of the opinions and behavior of JEWS.
Hitler did not have a Christian intolerance of anything.
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Hitler was not a Christian in the sense that Rock defines a Christian -- on that, we can agree. It's just that everyone has different definitions, and when dealing with a belief system that is already subject to uncertainty, the definitions aren't really provable.
Hitler did, in fact, believe in a god. I won't say that he believed in the Christian god, but given his upbringing and numerous quotations, it is likely he did. In addition, he gave credit to "providence" for all of his brushes with death. Most fascist dictators like Stalin would have used those "miracles" as a way to promote his own greatness -- and Hitler to some extent did the same. However, Hitler promoted his own greatness by using a divine power. In other words, he did not give credit to his own strength, might, or even his own luck. He gave credit to "providence." He did this in regards to his survival in the trenches of WWI and he was still doing it when he survived Stauffenburg's assassination attempt.
Hitler's beliefs, however, were somewhat intertwined with Himmler's Nordic paganism, but the truth is that Hitler never bought into Himmler's bizarre beliefs. In fact, Hitler was rather annoyed with Himmler and once compared Himmler's paganism to "looking for ghosts in the attic." Instead, Hitler always maintained his traditional approach to belief in the divine and never really promoted Himmler's Nordic beliefs. Hitler never attended church while he was in power -- at least not regularly -- and eventually adopted the same approach to Christianity that the current American conservative Republicans use today.
The crux (pun intended) of the issue is that Hitler's version of Christianity removed the "soft" aspects of the religion and focused on Old Testament wrath and judgment. The Jews, of course, were a prefect target given that they do not believe in Christ's divinity. Whether that fueled Hitler's racism isn't really known, but it is a possibility. For the most part, however, Hitler allowed Himmler to take over as the spiritual spokesman for the Third Reich, which kept Hitler's personal beliefs locked in misty shadow.
Hitler did, in fact, believe in a god. I won't say that he believed in the Christian god, but given his upbringing and numerous quotations, it is likely he did. In addition, he gave credit to "providence" for all of his brushes with death. Most fascist dictators like Stalin would have used those "miracles" as a way to promote his own greatness -- and Hitler to some extent did the same. However, Hitler promoted his own greatness by using a divine power. In other words, he did not give credit to his own strength, might, or even his own luck. He gave credit to "providence." He did this in regards to his survival in the trenches of WWI and he was still doing it when he survived Stauffenburg's assassination attempt.
Hitler's beliefs, however, were somewhat intertwined with Himmler's Nordic paganism, but the truth is that Hitler never bought into Himmler's bizarre beliefs. In fact, Hitler was rather annoyed with Himmler and once compared Himmler's paganism to "looking for ghosts in the attic." Instead, Hitler always maintained his traditional approach to belief in the divine and never really promoted Himmler's Nordic beliefs. Hitler never attended church while he was in power -- at least not regularly -- and eventually adopted the same approach to Christianity that the current American conservative Republicans use today.
The crux (pun intended) of the issue is that Hitler's version of Christianity removed the "soft" aspects of the religion and focused on Old Testament wrath and judgment. The Jews, of course, were a prefect target given that they do not believe in Christ's divinity. Whether that fueled Hitler's racism isn't really known, but it is a possibility. For the most part, however, Hitler allowed Himmler to take over as the spiritual spokesman for the Third Reich, which kept Hitler's personal beliefs locked in misty shadow.
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Shirina wrote:
Hitler was not a Christian in the sense that Rock defines a Christian -- on that, we can agree.
The sense of the word “Christian’ has not been defined by me; it was defined perhaps two thousand years prior to my birth by Luke the physician, writing in what we call the Book of Acts, or the Acts of the Apostles. We can in fact agree that, insofar as the originator’s definition of this routinely misused appellation is concerned, a definition to which I adhere in thought and in speech, Hitler was not a Christian. I just cannot take credit for a definition I did not originate.
Shirina wrote:
It's just that everyone has different definitions, and when dealing with a belief system that is already subject to uncertainty, the definitions aren't really provable.
The different definitions are due to imprecise thinking and speech by those who embrace definitions other than the definition originated by Luke. Think about it: We can hardly accuse Faux News un-reporters of precise thinking and precise speaking.
Shirina wrote:
Hitler did, in fact, believe in a god.
Your use of initial consonant lowercase “god” in reference to Hitler’s beliefs is dead on accurate and appropriate, given the usual Hebrew-to-English translation protocol. In Exodus, YHVH (untranslatable and possessing insufficient pronunciation clues to pronounce) is differentiated from another word, translated “god” or “gods” in the text” which refers to powerless, inherently worthless (in a spiritual sense) trinkets of any size, composition, or configuration.
Hitler, according to several documentaries viewed by me in whole or in part, was (for instance) an occultist. As belief in occult is specifically prohibited in the Greek Bible, the teachings of Jesus the Christ (directly or through his authorized apostles), Hitler’s beliefs therein, directly preclude any identification of Hitler as “Christian”, one who intends and actively seeks to follow the teachings of the teacher, Jesus the Christ.
The “for instance” as used in the previous paragraph is indicative of the fact that, as one examines the identified beliefs of Hitler, one continues to discover beliefs that stand in direct contradiction to the teachings of the teacher.
Moreover, Jesus teaches that the greatest commandment is “You shall love the Lord (substitute for Hebrew “YHVH”) your God (translation of “Elohim”) with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength, and that the second great commandment, “like unto it”, is “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” If one loves the Lord one’s God, one cannot love “gods” such as occult. If one loves one’s neighbor, one cannot visit extermination upon one’s neighbors.
Fact: Adolf Hitler was not a Christian.
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Very interesting Rob and Shirina.
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I presume the continuing popularity of "God" threads to be due to the simple fact that they can never reach a definitive conclusion.
Thus people who like to argue unto infinity about matters that will never be resolved always have something to occupy the mind.
Thus people who like to argue unto infinity about matters that will never be resolved always have something to occupy the mind.
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Saying you believe in God is not the same as behaving as if you believe in God.
A Christian without any other possible description is one who believes in Jesus and all that he stood for and behaves accordingly
Anyone can say they are a baker and not be able to tell flour from sand.
By actions and deeds people are classified and not by what they claim.
A Christian without any other possible description is one who believes in Jesus and all that he stood for and behaves accordingly
Anyone can say they are a baker and not be able to tell flour from sand.
By actions and deeds people are classified and not by what they claim.
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I do love you Tosh, in the nicest possible way and will pray that you see the light before the candle goes out.
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; it was defined perhaps two thousand years prior to my birth by Luke the physician, writing in what we call the Book of Acts, or the Acts of the Apostles.
The book of Acts and the Gospel of Luke were written at least 50-60 years after the death of Jesus and were not authored by Luke. Christianity was defined the moment Jesus appeared outside the empty tomb, the definition is unequivocal, it describes those who accept Jesus was the Christ and was resurrected.
By actions and deeds people are classified and not by what they claim. .
Since the message of Jesus was a Jewish one, living by this message does not define a Christian but a Jew, what seperates Christian and Jew is the belief that Jesus was the Christ and was resurrected.
There is no theoligical debate about this.
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Hitler, according to several documentaries viewed by me in whole or in part, was (for instance) an occultist.
LMAO...documentaries !!! you got to be kidding me on, try reading Mein Kampf, he was a practising Catholic and a Christian, FACT.
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Moreover, Jesus teaches that the greatest commandment is “You shall love the Lord (substitute for Hebrew “YHVH”) your God (translation of “Elohim”) with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength, and that the second great commandment, “like unto it”, is “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
The above defines a Jew not a Christian, Fact.
” If one loves the Lord one’s God, one cannot love “gods” such as occult.
Christians worship a demi god, my math makes that two gods, Christianity is a pagan or occult variation of Judaism, it is not even monotheistic.
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Thus people who like to argue unto infinity about matters that will never be resolved always have something to occupy the mind. .
Not far away my friend, not far away.
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The Holocaust
Pope Pius XII never publicly condemned the Nazis' persecution of Jews, even when they were being rounded up and deported from Rome. His silence is partly blamed for the failure of Germany's Catholics to resist Hitler. Anti-Jewish Catholic doctrines such as the claim that the Jews murdered Christ were said to have ideologically underpinned nazism. Vatican officials allegedly helped Nazis escape Europe after the war.
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John Paul II was born Karol Wojtyla on May 18, 1920, in the Polish town of Wadowice, where he had Jewish friends and neighbors and was an eyewitness to the Holocaust. A few months before the war ended, Wojtyla rescued a starving 13-year-old Jewish girl at a train station by carrying her to the rail car in which he was traveling, feeding her and covering her with his coat. Later, he would affect even more Jewish lives.
While Wojtyla was a bishop, he took part in the historic Second Vatican Council convened by Pope John XXIII, which modernized aspects of church practice and doctrine. The Council also radically changed the Church’s relationship with the Jewish people when it issued the Nostra Aetate declaration in 1965, which cleared Jews of responsibility for the death of Jesus, renounced its traditional claim that Jews had been rejected by God, condemned anti-Semitism, and called for “mutual understanding and respect” between Catholics and Jews. As Pope, John Paul II would turn these words into actions.
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For the past 1,500 or so years the prelates of Christendom have taken what was clearly a judgment on specific people for a specific time and made it a blanket condemnation of a whole People, the Jews. The old blood libel that Jews were “Christ killers” missed the truth by a wide margin. SIN, our sin, mine and yours, is what nailed Jesus to that Cross and LOVE, for you and I, kept Him there. It has never been true that any one group has no sin, therefore ALL are responsible for the DEATH on the Cross.
Only now, after some 1500 years, is the Vatican finally “letting go” of the anti-Semitic Blood Libel. The Pope will be releasing a book this month, March of 2011, in which he says that the Jews are not in fact “Christ Killers.”
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Tosh wrote:The book of Acts and the Gospel of Luke were written at least 50-60 years after the death of Jesus…; it was defined perhaps two thousand years prior to my birth by Luke the physician, writing in what we call the Book of Acts, or the Acts of the Apostles.
Perhaps.
Tosh wrote:
… and were not authored by Luke.
Greek Bible:
Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile an account of the things accomplished among us, just as they were handed down to us by those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and servants of the word, it seemed fitting for me as well, having investigated everything carefully from the beginning, to write it out for you in consecutive order, most excellent Theophilus, so that you may know the exact truth about the things you have been taught.
Luke 1:1-4
Greek Bible:
The first account I composed, Theophilus, about all that Jesus began to do and teach, until the day when he was taken up to heaven, after he had by the Holy Spirit given orders to the apostles whom He had chosen. To these he also presented himself alive after his suffering, by many convincing proofs, appearing to them over a period of forty days and speaking of the things concerning the kingdom of God. Gathering them together, he commanded them not to leave Jerusalem, but to wait for what the Father had promised, “Which,” he said, “you heard of from me, for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.”
Acts 1:1-5
The Book of Acts, also Called the Acts of the Apostles, and the Gospel of Jesus the Christ as recorded by Luke were written to Theophilus by Luke the physician.
Tosh wrote:
Christianity was defined the moment Jesus appeared outside the empty tomb…
The term “Christian” was defined at some point subsequent to the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus by Luke the physician, writing in what we call the Book of Acts, or the Acts of the Apostles.
Tosh wrote:
…the definition is unequivocal…
True.
Tosh wrote:
… it describes those who accept Jesus was the Christ and was resurrected.
The term “Christians” identifies those who intends and actively seeks to follow the teachings of the teacher, Jesus the Christ.
Tosh wrote:The above defines a Jew not a Christian, Fact.Moreover, Jesus teaches that the greatest commandment is “You shall love the Lord (substitute for Hebrew “YHVH”) your God (translation of “Elohim”) with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength, and that the second great commandment, “like unto it”, is “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
Fact: The above statement encapsulates that which a Jew ought to do.
Fact: The above statement encapsulates that which a Christian ought to do.
Tosh wrote:
… Christianity is a pagan or occult variation of Judaism…
B’r’shythe bara Elohim et hashamayim ve’et ha’arets. Sch’ma Y’srael, Adonai Eluheinu, Adonai echod. As I type, I am a Christian.
Tosh wrote:
… it is not even monotheistic.
B’r’shythe bara Elohim et hashamayim ve’et ha’arets. Sch’ma Y’srael, Adonai Eluheinu, Adonai echod. As I type, I am a Christian.
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B’r’shythe bara Elohim et hashamayim ve’et ha’arets. Sch’ma Y’srael, Adonai Eluheinu, Adonai echod. As I type, I am a Christian.
Texas,
You are a spamming troll, translate that into Hebrew.
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Tosh wrote:Texas,B’r’shythe bara Elohim et hashamayim ve’et ha’arets. Sch’ma Y’srael, Adonai Eluheinu, Adonai echod. As I type, I am a Christian.
You are a spamming troll, translate that into Hebrew.
No.
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Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile an account of the things accomplished among us, just as they were handed down to us by those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and servants of the word, it seemed fitting for me as well, having investigated everything carefully from the beginning, to write it out for you in consecutive order, most excellent Theophilus, so that you may know the exact truth about the things you have been taught.
Both Mathew and Luke are made up FROM the Gospel of Mark and a common source document known as " Q ", they were anonoymous and the authors never investigated nor witnessed anything, they simply copied/amended these documents and created two gospels some 50-60 years after the death of Jesus.
The extract from Acts does not define a Christian as you claim, in fact it confirms my accurate definition:
To these he also presented himself alive after his suffering, by many convincing proofs, appearing to them over a period of forty days and speaking of the things concerning the kingdom of God.
If you follow the teachings of Jesus and do not believe he is the Christ or he was resurrected then you are not a Christian, this is a theological fact that your repetitive drivel will never ever alter.
You know less about your religion than me, and I am an atheist, the original followers of Jesus were like him, Saul and John, the man he chose to baptize him.....Jewish apocalypticists. The religion of Jesus was transformed by Roman pagans into the religion about Jesus the demi-god.
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I’ve no desire to “try reading Mein Kampf.”
In it Hitler makes numerous mentions of his Christian faith, I will take his word and not yours.
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Fact: The above statement encapsulates that which a Jew ought to do.
Fact: The above statement encapsulates that which a Christian ought to do.
And what is the fact that seperates the two religious beliefs, what defines a Christian as against a Jew ? eh ? eh ?
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Tosh wrote:Both Mathew and Luke are made up FROM the Gospel of Mark and a common source document known as " Q "…Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile an account of the things accomplished among us, just as they were handed down to us by those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and servants of the word, it seemed fitting for me as well, having investigated everything carefully from the beginning, to write it out for you in consecutive order, most excellent Theophilus, so that you may know the exact truth about the things you have been taught.
The Gospel of Mark was authored by Mark.
The Gospel of Matthew was authored by Matthew.
The Gospel of Luke was authored by Luke the physician.
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Tosh wrote:And what is the fact that seperates the two religious beliefs, what defines a Christian as against a Jew ? eh ? eh ?Fact: The above statement encapsulates that which a Jew ought to do.
Fact: The above statement encapsulates that which a Christian ought to do.
You are an avowed anti-theist that has confirmed your anti-YHVH Elohim commitment by your numerous posts on this and another thread; thus, any communication from me to you in regards to items which might or might not differentiate various persons that know and seek to follow YHVH Elohim would, in my judgment, be inappropriate.
Conversely, it is entirely appropriate that I communicate to you these facts:
- Fact: Jesus teaches that the greatest commandment is “You shall love the Lord (substitute for Hebrew “YHVH”) your God (translation of “Elohim”) with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength, and that the second great commandment, “like unto it”, is “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
- Fact: The above statement encapsulates that which a Jew ought to do.
- Fact: The above statement encapsulates that which a Christian ought to do.
- Fact: The above statement encapsulates that which a Muslim ought to do.
- Fact: The above statement encapsulates that which a Baha’i ought to do.
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The Gospel of Mark was authored by Mark.
The Gospel of Matthew was authored by Matthew.
The Gospel of Luke was authored by Luke the physician.
As a renowned spamming troll you have no knowledge that Mathew, Mark or Luke authored these Gospels, fact.
The oldest Greek manuscripts( 250 ce) are unauthored, unfortunately for you I can yet again prove you wrong.
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This thread will be made as a feature film as soon as Terry Gilliam can secure financial backing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Gilliam
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Gilliam
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As an avowed “anti-theist”, which you’ve confirmed by your numerous posts on this and another thread, you’ve neither standing nor sufficient knowledge to authoritatively describe and explain anything concerning Y’shua Moshiach.
My position in no disallows my expertise, and my historical knowledge of 1st century Christians dwarfs your ignorance, and I can prove it any time you think you are hard enough.
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Texas is incapable of rebutting any claim with evidence or proof, he simply restates his case over and over ad nauseam.
He would be laughed off any debating podium, he invites ridicule with his evasion and deflection.
He would be laughed off any debating podium, he invites ridicule with his evasion and deflection.
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Tosh wrote:… you have no knowledge that Mathew, Mark or Luke authored these Gospels, fact.The Gospel of Mark was authored by Mark.
The Gospel of Matthew was authored by Matthew.
The Gospel of Luke was authored by Luke the physician.
Tosh wrote:
The oldest Greek manuscripts( 250 ce) are unauthored, unfortunately for you I can yet again prove you wrong.
Your protests notwithstanding, the Gospel of Mark was authored by Mark, the Gospel of Matthew was authored by Matthew, and the Gospel of Luke was authored by Luke the physician.
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Once again...The oldest Greek manuscripts( 250 ce) are unauthored, unfortunately for you I can yet again prove you wrong.
Bye bye spamming troll.
Bye bye spamming troll.
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Tosh wrote:
Once again...The oldest Greek manuscripts( 250 ce) are unauthored, unfortunately for you I can yet again prove you wrong.
Once again, notwithstanding your protests to the contrary, the Gospel of Mark was authored by Mark, the Gospel of Matthew was authored by Matthew, and the Gospel of Luke was authored by Luke the physician.
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Once again, notwithstanding your protests to the contrary, the Gospel of Mark was authored by Mark, the Gospel of Matthew was authored by Matthew, and the Gospel of Luke was authored by Luke the physician.
Contrary to popular belief repeating the same thing over and over again does not make it true.....
Roc where is your proof/evidence for your assertion that the gospel's were written by those who they are named after?
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Roc where is your proof/evidence for your assertion that the gospel's were written by those who they are named after? .
Astra,
This is his proof/evidence:
B’r’shythe bara Elohim et hashamayim ve’et ha’arets. Sch’ma Y’srael, Adonai Eluheinu, Adonai echod. As I type, I am a Christian.
Purdy impressive stuff eh ?
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Re: Can God love? (Part 1)
If you peer through the smoke and mirrors of Texas repetitive semantics, one sees a common thread that he tries to disguise out of intellectual embarassment.
His whole philosophy and worldview is not based on anything rational or scientific, he is a dinosaur from the dark ages, it is based on one ludicrous premise.
THE BIBLE IS TRUE BECAUSE THE BIBLE SAYS IT IS TRUE.
Nothing more complicated than that, and that is truly weird in the 21 st century.
His whole philosophy and worldview is not based on anything rational or scientific, he is a dinosaur from the dark ages, it is based on one ludicrous premise.
THE BIBLE IS TRUE BECAUSE THE BIBLE SAYS IT IS TRUE.
Nothing more complicated than that, and that is truly weird in the 21 st century.
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Re: Can God love? (Part 1)
Where has oftenwrong gone, sorry I meant polyglide.
Never kid a kidder.
Never kid a kidder.
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Tosh wrote:Where has oftenwrong gone, sorry I meant polyglide.
Never kid a kidder.
oftenwrong- Sage
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Re: Can God love? (Part 1)
Psychologically is there any difference between believing the universe revolves around the earth and the universe revolving around us humans.
I prefer the humble spirituality of humanism to the self-centred spirituality of religion.
I prefer the humble spirituality of humanism to the self-centred spirituality of religion.
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