Evidence for the existence of God (Part 1)

by keenobserver1 Sat Oct 08, 2011 3:14 pm

First topic message reminder :

If there is a God, he definetly isn't English.

by Tosh Thu Sep 06, 2012 12:05 am

why if there is only ONE god does 'god' reportedly say 'let us' ....'in our' ...'after our'....who was it talking to?....were there other 'gods' with it......

Natural spiritualism begat animism begat paganism begat polytheism begat Henothism begat Monotheism begat Deism begat Pantheism begat universal spritualism.

The religion of Canaan was originally Henotheistic until Abraham/Moses came along and fired all the supporting cast.
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by Tosh Thu Sep 06, 2012 12:34 am

I await to here an explanation from either polyglide or Texas why God created a strange species like a whale with legs and toes, what possibe use could legs and toes be to a marine mammal ?

by polyglide Fri Sep 07, 2012 11:20 am

The answer is what handicap do they have on the whale and for all we know they may have a purpose beyond our understanding, we do not know everything about the whale and the two examples prove it.

by polyglide Fri Sep 07, 2012 11:24 am

You might give an alternative repy by saying why the whale would have developed the limbs by evolution.

by Tosh Fri Sep 07, 2012 12:15 pm

The answer is what handicap do they have on the whale and for all we know they may have a purpose beyond our understanding, we do not know everything about the whale and the two examples prove it..

We do know everything about the whale, and the example proves it, they evolved from land mammals, hence the purpose of having legs, it is only beyond the understanding of creationist crackpots. You are drowning right in front of my eyes with two of the most imbecilic explanations I have ever heard.

You might give an alternative repy by saying why the whale would have developed the limbs by evolution..

Yep, and macro-evolution at that, unless you think legs and toes on sea dwellers is only a minor mutation ??

by Tosh Fri Sep 07, 2012 12:24 pm

polyglide has God or the Devil going about creating whales with legs and toes because it causes no harm or for some hidden purpose we cannot understand !!

Maybe God wants them to hop along the sea bed lolol.

This is certifiable. Very Happy

by Tosh Tue Sep 11, 2012 12:32 pm

Tosh old boy, you have obviously not heard about all the different ages of the earth, when everything had to start from scratch, after each one.

Sorry, I don't read comics. :affraid:

by blueturando Tue Sep 11, 2012 12:59 pm

Just a quick one on evolution for the doubters.....

Why and how do viruses such as MRSA 'evolve' to become resistant to Anti-biotics

by Tosh Tue Sep 11, 2012 1:08 pm

Just a quick one on evolution for the doubters.....Why and how do viruses such as MRSA 'evolve' to become resistant to Anti-biotics.

Micro-evolution is proven, Macro-evolution is not proven, whales with legs and toes don't count and transitional fossils are just bones in dirt.

I will endlessly repeat a few pseudo science red herrings and some ancient Hebrew if you are not persuaded by my argument.

regards

Texas.

by polyglide Tue Sep 11, 2012 2:32 pm

No evolution is proven, or there would be no point in disputing it.

It is pure suposition and fantacy, anyone believing that everything can be explained by pure chance and littile pools of water etc; not only live in a dream world but belong in one.

by Tosh Tue Sep 11, 2012 3:52 pm

No evolution is proven, or there would be no point in disputing it.

polyglide.....polyglide....polyglide, evolution is genetic mutation, are you identical to a black woman or a tall woman or a dwarf ? These are all evidence of genetic mutation and evolution is genetic mutation, nobody disputes it because it is empirically proven and there is no point in disputing proven facts.

It is pure suposition and fantacy, anyone believing that everything can be explained by pure chance and littile pools of water etc; not only live in a dream world but belong in one..

Genetic mutation is random but the selection process is not, nature selects the fittest for a given environment. Evolution does not attempt to explain the origins of life on earth, biogenesis is being investigated as we speak, it was probably an electro-chemical reaction, whether this took place on earth or arrived on a meteor is unknown.

Do you also intend to spam this thread with repetitive denials without supporting your arguments with any evidence ?

You should have stayed at school, you seem almost oblivious to common knowledge, and your alternative explanation is truly bonkers.

Were you dropped as a baby ?

by polyglide Wed Sep 12, 2012 11:12 am

Yes, I was dropped as a baby and was saved by falling on you which obviously affected your whole thinking process.

The reason you feel I am wrong is because you are unable to appreciate fact from fiction.

There is no proof whatsoever for evolution and the only alternative is creation be some means.

You say it may be by several alternatives to God but anyone can come up with such idiotic notions.

There is so much interdependance involved in all that the world has to offer and depends on, that only intelligence far beyond our own must have been involved in it's creation and all that within.

I do not believe that God is the only possible creator, there may be numerous other beings in the same catagory and the Devil may be one of them, which would explain many of the seemingly ungodly circumstances we do not understand when contemplating a loving God and the happenings and the state of the world today.

Thank you for breaking my fall and I am sorry for the fact that it so adversly affected you.

by Tosh Wed Sep 12, 2012 12:34 pm

The reason you feel I am wrong is because you are unable to appreciate fact from fiction. There is no proof whatsoever for evolution and the only alternative is creation be some means.

Yes dear, of course dear, now calm down and have a drink from your Tommy Tippy cup.

I do not believe that God is the only possible creator,

Eh ? A Christian polytheist !! You gotta be a troll pretending to be a Christian, I guess its one of the regulars on here, maybe Oftenwrong.

by Tosh Wed Sep 12, 2012 12:46 pm

When a believer talks about design and a designer they mean the universe was designed for them, the purpose of the universe is Humanity !!!

What kind of egocentric mind thinks that a creator makes billions of useless/pointless galaxies, solar systems, planets and moons ?

If humanity is the purpose of the universe then why not just create a solar system with a sun, moon and earth ?

Seems an awful lot of wasted matter, energy, time and space.

by polyglide Fri Sep 14, 2012 12:11 pm

Who says the rest of the universe is pointless and all that within, and talking of within, just what do you think the universe is within?.

If it be within something what is it and what is on the outside?

Humanity may be just a very small, very, very small part of the purpose of the universe, it is man himself who lives and acts as if he was the centre of the universe but everything points to otherwise.

God created the heavens and that whithin in the beginning, the beginning being the important aspect.

There is no claim that others have not been involved since nor edvidence that others have not.

In fact many thing could be explained if others with ulterior motives began to take an interest in the earths make up and intefered with the work of God.

There is no claim that Satan is not capable of such interferance and this could explain the seemingly odd occurances that the evolutionists use.

The purpose of the whole universe is a mystery to us at the moment but there is no doubt it was created as there is nothing that has not been created by one means or another and if it was in our best interests to know all, then God would have given us that information.

No man can comprehend the extent of the universe, neither where it starts not where it ends, in our terms of understanding everything must end somewhere but if the universe ends what does it end at? and what is beyond.

by Tosh Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:14 pm

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Who says the rest of the universe is pointless and all that within,

The vast majority of the universe is deadly to any form of life, what is the point in creating it ?

and talking of within, just what do you think the universe is within?. If it be within something what is it and what is on the outside?

Science does not know if the universe is within anything or not, and if it is within something we have no knowedge of it.

polyglide, you are aware the universe is very big and very old, we can't just light a bunsen burner or a candle to answer complex questions, its mostly maths and God is zero.

by Tosh Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:17 pm

polyglide,

You are just one of millions who believe the bible is true because it says it is true, I could say the exact same thing about any of the thousands of creation myths and religions.

You are an atheist to all other Gods, I just go one further, we are not that far apart mathematically.

by Guest Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:32 pm

Tosh wrote:
… the bible is true because it says it is true…

Truth is true. Period. Elohim’s written Word is true because Elohim’s written Word states truth.

Cart before horse.

by Guest Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:37 pm

Tuesday, 11 September 2012 at 13:08, Tosh wrote:
Micro-evolution is proven, Macro-evolution is not proven…

True.

by Tosh Fri Sep 14, 2012 9:02 pm

Elohim’s written Word is true because Elohim’s written Word states truth.

Truth has to be proven, and you cannot prove the bible states the truth.

Sorry, but you are right back to:

the bible is true because it says it is true…

by Guest Fri Sep 14, 2012 9:24 pm

Tosh wrote:
Elohim’s written Word is true because Elohim’s written Word states truth.
Truth has to be proven, and you cannot prove the bible states the truth.

You cannot disprove that Elohim’s written Word is true because Elohim’s written Word states truth.

by Tosh Fri Sep 14, 2012 9:40 pm

You cannot disprove that Elohim’s written Word is true because Elohim’s written Word states truth.

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I have done so, even though the onus is on the one claiming truth to prove it.

Any fool knows this.

by Tosh Fri Sep 14, 2012 9:42 pm

whales with legs and toes don't count and transitional fossils are just bones in dirt.

by Tosh Fri Sep 14, 2012 9:50 pm

29+ Evidences for Macroevolution

The Scientific Case for Common Descent

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/

Still waiting. tick tock tick tock.

by Guest Fri Sep 14, 2012 9:53 pm

Tosh wrote:
You cannot disprove that Elohim’s written Word is true because Elohim’s written Word states truth.
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I have done so…

You have not disproven that Elohim’s written Word is true because Elohim’s written Word states truth.

by Tosh Fri Sep 14, 2012 10:02 pm

You have not disproven that Elohim’s written Word is true because Elohim’s written Word states truth.

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I have, goodbye and you lose until you rebut the evidence with science.

by oftenwrong Fri Sep 14, 2012 10:17 pm

Farewells are such sweet sorrow.

by polyglide Sat Sep 15, 2012 10:58 am

Tosh, you are lost in the mists of scientific conjecture.

As a Christian and a sinner, I believe that the only way to salvation is through Jesus for all mankind from the day Jesus proclaimed that it was so.

All before is of no cencern to me and has no relevance to present day mankind.

The fact that there are numerous planets and other entities in the universe that appear of no censequence to us may have significant consequences for the universe as a whole.

As for creation, take a walk in the park and see all God's creations and wonder why he bothered when we have made such a mess of everything we touch.

by Shirina Sat Sep 15, 2012 11:25 am

As for creation, take a walk in the park and see all God's creations and wonder why he bothered when we have made such a mess of everything we touch.

Nature is a cruel, heartless, even brutal place. While you walk through the park, countless little lives are lost as nature feeds on itself. Perhaps this is a reflection of the God you serve?

by Tosh Sat Sep 15, 2012 11:50 am

As for creation, take a walk in the park and see all God's creations and wonder why he bothered when we have made such a mess of everything we touch..

polyglide,

There is only one God and that is Charles Darwin, he had the genius to see nature as it really was, a life and death struggle for survival, everything competes and only the fittest pass on their geneic traits....Natural Selection.

God did not punish women for eating a bloody apple, the size and shape of the female pelvis is an evolutionary trade off between walking and delivering large brained offspring.

by Tosh Sat Sep 15, 2012 8:29 pm

Farewells are such sweet sorrow..

Another one off the old pseudo intellectual spread sheet, noone can accuse you of original thought.

by snowyflake Sat Sep 15, 2012 8:41 pm

As for creation, take a walk in the park and see all God's creations and wonder why he bothered when we have made such a mess of everything we touch..

Excuse me, if God can't take care of this tiny little planet then frankly he shouldn't be allowed to have one. If we are his creation and his responsibility then it is up to him to care for us in a proper manner. If your son let his dog or cat or rabbit run rampant around the place, pooping and pissing everywhere, shagging everything in its path then it is hardly sensible to blame the dog, cat or rabbit for behaving on its instincts is it?

by Tosh Sat Sep 15, 2012 9:07 pm

Snowy,

God is unknowable, this much they do know.

by snowyflake Sat Sep 15, 2012 9:13 pm

Hey Tosh

For an unknowable God, the Christians (and other believers) seem to know alot about what God thinks and wants from us.

by Tosh Sat Sep 15, 2012 9:16 pm

Texas and polyglide are like two witch doctors telling me modern medecine is unproven and wrong, not a single qualification between them and even less evidence to support their case.

I cannot prove God does not exist nor created the universe, but I can prove Genesis is primitive garbage.

by Tosh Sat Sep 15, 2012 9:21 pm

For an unknowable God, the Christians (and other believers) seem to know alot about what God thinks and wants from us. .

It goes like his:

If it is good or makes sense then we know God does it, if it is bad or nonsensical then we know God does it in mysterious ways.

Its just like a snake oil salesman.

by snowyflake Sat Sep 15, 2012 9:22 pm

Tosh, we cannot change their minds on something that is fundamental to their personalities or their raison d'etre. There is something narcissistic or arrogant about believing that an ominpotent being takes a blind bit of notice of you. It would be like you having the care and concern for every ant in existence on the planet, knowing their every whim and wish and planning out their very life path and listening to all their prayers. Is it logical? Of course it isn't.

by Tosh Sat Sep 15, 2012 9:30 pm

Snowy,

I have no problems with general deism, some hidden creator with a hidden purpose, although it seems meaningless it is harmless.

However when man-made religion came along it ceased to be harmless, it became an obstacle to knowledge and humanity.

It must go, and it won't go of its own volition, it is my mission in life to destroy all forms of supernatural belief.

by snowyflake Sat Sep 15, 2012 9:38 pm

Unfortunately Tosh, you won't be able to do that. I wish you could. I wish reason and science would be the order of the day but people want to believe because they are scared to death of dying. They cannot believe in their arrogance that this life is all there is. Religion also has an evolutionary advantage in making societies cohesive and getting the freeloaders in society to pull their weight. In societies where superstition is the order of the day, it is very difficult to eradicate it. Look at Africa and Asia. All Christianity did was trade their 'pagan' superstitions for another superstition. Where I work there are scientists who are Christians, muslims, hindus and sikhs. They just don't examine their beliefs in the light of science. If they did, they would not believe as they do. I think it must be very hard to compartmentalise your brain this way....to believe in a fairy story and also believe in facts and the scientific method. No wonder some of them are a bit loopy. Smile

by oftenwrong Sat Sep 15, 2012 11:21 pm

The USP of all religions is in promising an after-life.

by snowyflake Sun Sep 16, 2012 8:24 am

Ah, I see you amended your post, OW. Very nice. Thank you. Perhaps, you can't be Eeyore all the time.

Go outside and play today instead of hanging around here your whole life. Smile

(I realise that's stating the bleeding obvious but maybe you should give it a go)

Smile

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