Evidence for the existence of God (Part 1)

by keenobserver1 Sat Oct 08, 2011 3:14 pm

First topic message reminder :

If there is a God, he definetly isn't English.

by Tosh Tue Nov 13, 2012 4:08 pm

Glad you accept the fact that you are deranged, it explains a lot and no doubt further posts will reinforce the fact.

mmm, not too good at reading are you dear ?

You, as I have said on another post, are way out of your depth, keep to the junior level where you belong and you may have better luck.

Keep the delusions going fruitcake, you are convincing noone.

by Tosh Tue Nov 13, 2012 4:51 pm

What kind of feeble mind accepts the Bible as evidence of anything ?

How can one believe stories told by primitive camel herders with the knowledge of polyglide, how can every scientist and every piece of evidence be wrong but the Bible is right ?

How is it possible for an educated human being to actually believe the universe and all its contents are 6-10,000 years old ?

Why does the bible not mention the dinosaurs, they are too big to miss?

And why is a young earth creationist debating the mechanics of an event that happened 13.7 billion years ago ?

Confused ? You should be, a day in the life of a creationist is like a day in the life of the village idiot.

by Tosh Thu Nov 15, 2012 1:20 pm

Genesis 2:19

Now the Lord God had formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name.

The claim in the Jewish scriptures that man was created before all the wild animals and all the birds is false, there is incontrovertible evidence animals and birds existed millions of years before any hominid.

In order to accomodate this belief a person must discount the sciences of biology, genetics, physics, geology, archeology and paleontology, anyone who believes this has a screw loose and should be sectioned under the mental health act.

by Tosh Thu Nov 15, 2012 1:24 pm

Evidence for the evolution of Homo sapiens from a common ancestor with chimpanzees is found in the number of chromosomes in humans as compared to all other members of Hominidae. All hominidae have 24 pairs of chromosomes, except humans, who have only 23 pairs. Human chromosome 2 is a result of an end-to-end fusion of two ancestral chromosomes.

The evidence for this includes:

The correspondence of chromosome 2 to two ape chromosomes. The closest human relative, the common chimpanzee, has near-identical DNA sequences to human chromosome 2, but they are found in two separate chromosomes. The same is true of the more distant gorilla and orangutan.
The presence of a vestigial centromere. Normally a chromosome has just one centromere, but in chromosome 2 there are remnants of a second centromere.
The presence of vestigial telomeres. These are normally found only at the ends of a chromosome, but in chromosome 2 there are additional telomere sequences in the middle.
Chromosome 2 thus presents very strong evidence in favour of the common descent of humans and other apes. According to J. W. IJdo, "We conclude that the locus cloned in cosmids c8.1 and c29B is the relic of an ancient telomere-telomere fusion and marks the point at which two ancestral ape chromosomes fused to give rise to human chromosome 2."

by Tosh Thu Nov 15, 2012 6:23 pm

Humans evolved from a common ancestor with primates, this is A FACT.

Try and squeeze this fact into any supernatural claim without putting your brain in a tumble dryer.

Very Happy

by snowyflake Thu Nov 15, 2012 6:52 pm

Actually, for a supposed christian, polyglide is none too kind. I haven't seen any evidence of it in any of her posts.

by polyglide Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:29 am

And you should be well aware of what an idiot is Tosh, you represent one so well.

As well as many other things that confuse you Tosh, you are unaware what fact means.

by polyglide Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:32 am

Sorry, Snowflake, for being seeming unkind but when you are dealing with the thick skinned and the uninformed along with the slightly demented then you have to compromise your usual kindness.

by Tosh Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:55 pm

you are unaware what fact means.

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I know Common Descent is a fact, I know the universe is not a few thousand years old for a fact and I know for a fact you should be under restraint and kept away from sharp objects, I assume you self harm.

A deranged woman who doesn't know what day of the week it is, is babbling on about facts for goodness sake.

by Shirina Fri Nov 16, 2012 8:08 pm

you have to compromise your usual kindness.

Just be sure it doesn't get out of hand.

I've entertained the idea of locking threads when it became just you and Tosh swapping verbal sword thrusts.

I'm not just picking on you, either. It goes for everyone

... but you and Tosh. Sheesh! Tsk tsk.

by snowyflake Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:03 pm

Sorry, Snowflake, for being seeming unkind but when you are dealing with the thick skinned and the uninformed along with the slightly demented then you have to compromise your usual kindness.

Oh yeah. I know what you mean. Rolling Eyes

by polyglide Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:43 am

Now come on Shirina, I can see you are having second thoughts on some matters, my praying on your behalf is no doubt awakening you to the facts rather than fiction and theory.

by starlight07 Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:46 am

oftenwrong wrote:
keenobserver1 wrote:If there is a God, he definetly isn't English.

If God were an Englishman, He'd feel much too embarassed to ever admit it.

lol! More like He'd be a gentleman. Wink

by polyglide Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:52 am

I agree with you Shirina, it is no good trying to convert the obviously afflicted to the extent of being beyond understanding, trying to make Tosh understand anything other than rice chrispies, would need a Tosh having a brain transplant

But a Troll can be so Droll as Tosh so clearly substanciates.

It was not I who started the disrespect and I thought by now Tosh would understand he has no possible chance of beating me with wisecracks he has not the ability to do so.

by polyglide Sat Nov 17, 2012 11:05 am

The whole problem with contemplating God, is the fact that we do not understand what form he takes

There is no doubt it will not be of the fleshly kind, if it be spiritual then we still have no idea what form God takes, just as how the universe and everything else was created it will be, oh yes, I never thought of that.

You may look at a piece of pottery and think how on earth did that come about but when it is expained it is simple and the same will apply to all that which we do not yet understand.

by snowyflake Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:58 pm

It was not I who started the disrespect and I thought by now Tosh would understand he has no possible chance of beating me with wisecracks he has not the ability to do so

LOL!! You are delusional on so many levels.

Evolution has evidence standing for miles supporting it. This has been pointed out to you on several occasions. That you refuse to look at the evidence is not our problem. It's yours. What does creation have? Nothing but idle, empty words.

by Tosh Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:05 pm

Now come on Shirina, I can see you are having second thoughts on some matters, my praying on your behalf is no doubt awakening you to the facts rather than fiction and theory.

I think that just about seals the case, you are a complete wind up troll. lolol

by Tosh Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:08 pm

It was not I who started the disrespect and I thought by now Tosh would understand he has no possible chance of beating me with wisecracks he has not the ability to do so..

Dream on fruitcake. Basketball

by Tosh Sat Nov 17, 2012 6:53 pm

I have few problems with people who believe their life has a divine purpose of kindness and are inspired by the example of Jesus or any other martyr to human sanctity.

But....people who HAVE to believe literally every single word in a holy text are just mentally ill, I will never accept creationism has any value, it cannot if we value truth.

God is a mirror of human expectations, there is really no need to reject knowledge to accommodate its personification.

by trevorw2539 Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:01 pm

In the depth of your hopes and desires lies your silent knowledge of the beyond; and like seeds dreaming beneath the snow your heart dreams of spring. Trust the dreams, for in them is hidden the gate to eternity. GIBRAN

by oftenwrong Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:43 pm

"Trust that which gives you meaning and accept it as your guide."

http://www.sonoma.edu/users/d/daniels/jungsum.html

by Tosh Sat Nov 17, 2012 11:07 pm

In the depth of your hopes and desires lies your silent knowledge of the beyond; and like seeds dreaming beneath the snow your heart dreams of spring. Trust the dreams, for in them is hidden the gate to eternity. GIBRAN.

Hardly silent knowledge, unless one redefines knowledge to mean wishful thinking.

by Tosh Sat Nov 17, 2012 11:08 pm

."Trust that which gives you meaning and accept it as your guide."

Hooray for consumerism.

by Tosh Sat Nov 17, 2012 11:14 pm

."Trust that which gives you meaning and accept it as your guide."

Not quite, trust reason and accept it as your guide, if the truth does not give you meaning then you have an unreasonable mind.

by Tosh Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:06 am

Jesus loved his neighbor when he was alive some 2000 years ago, and now he is dead.

Get over it and deal with it, he aint coming back.

2000 years of knowledge and most humans are still primitive sheep, scared of their own shadows and the shadow of death..

Faith demeans humanity and demeans humans.

by oftenwrong Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:57 am

Four postings in a row to say precisely ..... what?

The Lord of banality strikes again.

by tlttf Sun Nov 18, 2012 12:02 pm

Speaking of Banal, how are you keeping OW.

Without a doubt this is the funniest thread on the go, keep at it. As an aside, there is no greater power than that which we give to others. If somebody can equate that to an uber power then they are truly deluded.

by Tosh Sun Nov 18, 2012 12:52 pm

Four postings in a row to say precisely ..... what? The Lord of banality strikes again..

Oh keep quiet you big cissy, all my posts are thread related and full of enlightened substance, this cannot be said about any of your pretentious drivel.

Go and take your obsession with me to your local shrink you deranged Walter Mitty.

What a wacko. Very Happy

by Tosh Sun Nov 18, 2012 12:56 pm

Without a doubt this is the funniest thread on the go, keep at it.

It is a zoo, we have polyidentity, off his rocker brother and oftenweird....and a lovely lovely chap called Tosh, who happens to be a modern day prophet and a real sage.

by Tosh Sun Nov 18, 2012 1:09 pm

Speaking of anal, how are you keeping OW.

Edited for accuracy. cyclops

by trevorw2539 Sun Nov 18, 2012 1:12 pm

Tosh wrote:
In the depth of your hopes and desires lies your silent knowledge of the beyond; and like seeds dreaming beneath the snow your heart dreams of spring. Trust the dreams, for in them is hidden the gate to eternity. GIBRAN.

Hardly silent knowledge, unless one redefines knowledge to mean wishful thinking.

Do you accept 'Intuitive knowledge?'.

by Tosh Sun Nov 18, 2012 1:20 pm

Do you accept 'Intuitive knowledge?'. .

Not since the enlightenment, I carry the genes of David Hume.

Intuitive knowledge gave us a flat earth.

by oftenwrong Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:50 pm

Intuitive knowledge gave us a flat earth.

Intuitively, I know that Tosh is searching for something meaningful to write.

by Tosh Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:21 pm

Intuitively, I know that Tosh is searching for something meaningful to write..

Everything I write is meaningful, your intuition is always wrong due to an absence of knowledge, please adjust your nomenclature accordingly.

by starlight07 Mon Nov 19, 2012 6:54 am

Intuitive knowledge gave us a flat earth.

I wouldn't readily dismiss intuitive knowledge to intellectual knowledge. Let them both work simultaneously...give more preference and importance to intellect if you must but intuitive knowledge is the foundation.

by oftenwrong Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:51 am

Tosh wrote:

Everything I write is meaningful, .....

e.g. I carry the genes of David Hume.

by Tosh Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:03 pm

Next time I will use an idiot board. cyclops

by polyglide Mon Nov 19, 2012 2:18 pm

If 99.5 of scientists believe in evolution as the the start of all life forms, not evolution itself but the begining of life, as far as I am aware no one denies that evolution takes place, that does not mean they believe it was the
creation of life.

Then ,5% must represent those that do believe in creation.

Now if you put Proof of Creation on your search engine you will find over 60 scientists and various others who give clear evidence supporting creation
and the faults in those who believe in evolution.

Now what I would like is for those who believe the 99.5% to show me 11,940 web sites that agree with evolution.

No stupid replies please Shirina has made a plea for the cutting out of all the nonsense offered in reply to ligitimate quesions'

Otherwise I could point out that Tosh acts like a demented camel that gives on
e the hump and everything he says holds no water, but I will not.

by Tosh Mon Nov 19, 2012 3:03 pm

What has the number of websites got to do with the number of scientists ?

Go and troll somewhere else, your act is becoming tedious, you had a good run.

by polyglide Mon Nov 19, 2012 3:14 pm

In any such circumstances anyone with common sense can appreciate why I asked the quesion,

Of course the number of sites prove that there are not the number of people you say are for evolution or there would be the percentage you staste provable and there is not.

As usual Tosh you are at a complete loss of how to answer any quesion other than to attempt to ridicule it.

This applies not only to my quesions either.

by Tosh Mon Nov 19, 2012 3:18 pm

I guess you are a 16-17 year old male teenager still at school, English may not actually be your first language.

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