To hate Jews is to hate God

by Greatest I am Sat Jun 30, 2012 8:22 pm

First topic message reminder :

To hate Jews is to hate God.

If you believe in the sacrifice of Jesus, then you must believe that God planned for it and set the conditions even before the earth was formed. If as most believe, the Jews were the cause of the sacrifice, then one must believe that God put the notion and desire to kill Jesus in the Jewish hearts. Jews then were God’s tools in carrying out God’s plan. Jews then should be venerated just as Jesus is because Jesus and Jews were required and caused by God to participate in the sacrifice. They were all doing God’s will and not their own.

Jesus was a Jew and to hate Jews means that Jesus is also hated. The church has historically persecuted Jews and only repented for their actions in 2011 with the pope acknowledging that not all Jews should be hated. Just those directly involved in the sacrifice of Jesus. Ignoring of course that they were charged directly by God to be and do what God wanted.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/jews-not-responsible-for-death-of-christ-pope-says-49267/

Why then have Christians historically hated Jews, and by inference, hate the Jew part of God/Jesus the Jew?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKg4HLsu5gE&feature=related

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ott15j2KwQ&feature=related

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoHP-f-_F9U

The weird twist to this history is that the Christian right who hates Jews the most, is now the ones pushing for funding of the Jewish homeland to fulfill prophesy.

Most Jews do not believe that Jesus was the messiah. Is the Christian right just funding Jews to help drive them to destruction at the hands of God?

Jews tend not to read the O. T. the way Christians do. Are Christian interpretations of Jewish text superior or inferior to the Jewish interpretation of their own myths?

Regards
DL

by oftenwrong Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:27 pm

Let's hear it for us!

by Guest Thu Apr 25, 2013 2:09 am

by Guest Thu Apr 25, 2013 2:34 am

I am a fundamentalist Christian. I know YHVH Elohim. I know Y’shua bar Yosef, Y’shua Moshiach, in Anglicized Greek and English, Jesus son of Joseph, Jesus Christ. The foundation, the fundamental, of Christianity is willingly following Y’shua’s teachings, including the teachings on the mountain found in Matthew 5-7. I do so as best I can; thus, I say what I say not as a “religionist”, I say what I say as a disciple of Y’shua whom I love and trust. I am not particularly “religious”; Y’shua, who helped me know truth, has freed me from religion.

I do not desecrate and defecate upon funerals of courageous women and men who served my country by parading around like a damned idiot with a horde of other despicable defecators carrying signs and shouting obscenities at mourners. These sorry pieces of leftover human DNA that pollute my country’s soil and atmosphere by their presence thereon and therein claim to be “fundamentalist Christians”; by doing so, they desecrate Y’shua Moshiach, in Anglicized Greek, Jesus Christ, from whose Anglicized title, “Christ”, the identifying term “Christian” is derived, and they defecate upon Y’shua’s teachings, as Y’shua has never taught anyone to desecrate and defecate upon those who mourn women and men who have served their country.

The fundamentals of Christianity are the teachings of Y’shua Moshiach, of Jesus Christ. A fundamentalist Christian does her/his best to willingly follow the teachings of Y’shua Moshiach, of Jesus Christ the teachings of Y’shua Moshiach, of Jesus Christ. Y’shua, Jesus, teaches, “Treat others as you would have others treat you in all things whatsoever, for this is the Law and the Prophets.”

I suspect that certain Muslims personally known to me feel the same way about leftover pieces of human DNA that destroy innocent persons’ lives in the name of “islam”, and that join me in categorizing these idiots as “muslim” equivalents of the kkk. I will not place upon Cutting Edge any photos of kkk rallies, but anyone who wishes may go to Google images and find Bible carrying kkk standing in front of crosses while claiming that they act in Jesus’ name.

by Guest Thu Apr 25, 2013 2:39 am

I have lived on this planet, in this universe, my entire cognizant life, and I expect to do so for the remainder of my life. Throughout my cognizant lifetime on this planet in this universe, in one hundred percent of the cases I have observed, organization has been the result of design; in fact, in one hundred percent of the cases I have observed, design has preceded organization.

Humans have not “decided” that design implies a designer; design itself screams “DESIGNER!” No implication or inference necessary. Moreover, if “[the] natural forces of physics create design right down to the molecular and atomic level”, how did “[the] natural forces of physics create design” prior to the natural forces of physics, the strong force, the weak force, gravity, and electromagnetism, create the design that organized the four natural forces of physics into existence in the first tiniest fraction of a fraction of a Nano-second of existence prior to the four natural forces of physics’ existence?

Of course, one can ignore the virtual plethora of data that screams “BIG BANG IS TRUTYH!” If one chooses to do so, pray tell, what logical alternative does one present as to the origin of everything now that Big Bang’s illogical predecessor has been blown out of the water?

by Guest Thu Apr 25, 2013 2:41 am

Shirina wrote:
… that brings to me a degree of peace in my own life. As someone who suffers day after day of chronic pain, knowing there is no "designer" means there is no one to blame, no one to shake my fist at, no one with whom to be angry. It means there is no one to beseach, no one to pray to, which in turn means there is no reason to scream out "why?!" when the designer refuses to miraculously heal my condition. Knowing there is no "design" allows me to forgo much of the anger a person in my position would feel, as well as the self-doubt and the betrayal.

As Johnny Carson said to Ed McMahon, “No, banana-breath, this is NOT a complete list.” I chose “banana” because “I like to eat, eat-eat-eat, I like to eat, apples and bananas.”

In 1961, my dog was stolen from my backyard one night. I mourned for years. During the first few months, I toured the neighborhood on my bike looking for him, and I regularly entreated my parents to drive me around for the same reason. To take my mind off of the pain, I read Huckleberry Finn cover to cover for the first time. When, in 1964, one of my younger brothers got a dog, also a Sheltie, I taught this outdoor dog to function indoors so that I could bring him inside each night. When I went away to college, part of each long distance call home included an inquiry to make sure my brother’s dog, OUR dog, my dog, was Safe, and that my parents and siblings were letting him in each night, no matter what, to ensure his safety. One night, when I was home for the summer, our dog took advantage of an open gate and took off to see the world. Since I was now old enough to drive myself around, I looked for him throughout about a two mile radius all that day, all that night, and into the next afternoon, when, as I was turning a corner, I saw his tail disappear around another corner, made a U-turn, caught up to him at a corner, looking lost, called his name, watched him leap into the car and try to lick my face off, drove straight home, opened the driver side door to get out, watched him leap over me, run to the front door, turn and wait in anticipation for me to catch up and open it, and, upon the door’s opening, watched our dog bolt into the house, find my younger brother, and jump up almost into his arms. This dog lived fourteen years and died in the arms of my younger brother.
In 1967, a college classmate, an older man, mid-twenties, one of the finest men I’ve known, befriended me, honoring me by doing so. In January 1969, in a second-story room at a West Coast university, my friend was murdered. One other man was murdered, and two men escaped by jumping out of the window and fleeing for their lives, during the same mini-mass-murder/attempted murder. The person that, in my opinion, ordered these murders/assassinations has never been charged, lives a peaceful retired life today, and has been publicly rewarded by men/women in several ways. My pain remains as intense today as it was forty-four years three months ago.
In March 1972, my mother called long distance and said, “Billy was murdered.” Billy was my older cousin, a close cousin. One afternoon, as he was pulling away from a house, a man stepped out onto the porch of that house, aimed a high-powered rifle, and pulled the trigger. The round shattered the back window, entered the back of Billy’s skull, and blew his brains out. The investigating officers found his brain matter scattered across the steering wheel, the dashboard, and the inside of the front windscreen. My pain remains as intense today as it was forty-one years one month ago.
In May 1989, my friend, a ethnic-minority Pakistani, a devout Muslim who quietly taught me from the Qur’an that all Muslims are called upon to treat “People of the Law”, Jews, and “People of the Book”, Christians, and by implication and inference all men of decency gender inclusive, with dignity, honor respect, and deference, bade me farewell for the last time. Subsequently, to the best of my knowledge, he was apprehended, “show-trialed”, convicted, and executed by Pakistani officials in Pakistan for daring to teach these things to me and others. He had returned to Pakistan, knowing the personal risk, to complete paperwork to rescue his wife and children from that intolerant land and culture and bring them back with him to the United States. He had begun the process of becoming a naturalized US citizen, and intended to ensure these blessing of liberty to his wife and children. My pain remains as intense today as it was twenty-four years eleven months ago. I mourn for his family daily. I mourn for him daily. See more details here: RockOnBrother, Saturday, 30 March 2013, 13:25

The last three are the murders. I’ve mentioned not the other pains; I’ve mentioned not the acute and chronic personal physical traumas. My preceding message on this thread, posted here…

RockOnBrother, Wednesday 24 April 2013, 02:34

… serves as testimony of who I am today. Vaya con Dios.

by snowyflake Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:06 am

Humans have not “decided” that design implies a designer; design itself screams “DESIGNER!” No implication or inference necessary. Moreover, if “[the] natural forces of physics create design right down to the molecular and atomic level”, how did “[the] natural forces of physics create design” prior to the natural forces of physics, the strong force, the weak force, gravity, and electromagnetism, create the design that organized the four natural forces of physics into existence in the first tiniest fraction of a fraction of a Nano-second of existence prior to the four natural forces of physics’ existence?

Of course humans decided it. Before science humans were seeking explanations and could not come up with anything better than supernatural forces which they called God/god/gods. Science is opening the door to our ignorance and hubris. It is allowing knowledge to tell us that magic is not necessary in a universe where everything that can happen does happen.

Virgins do not give birth, the dead do not come back to life and no matter how much we want it to, water cannot be turned instantaneously into wine. But molecules are held together by forces, the universe is held together by forces. None of these forces are sentient.

Patterns exist because they are the most efficient forms. Doesn't imply a designer.

by Guest Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:24 am

When I need a little inspiration to keep on keepin’ on…

There was a young girl whose heart was a frown
Cause she was crippled for life
And she couldn’t speak a sound
And she wished and prayed she could stop living
So she decided to die
She drew her wheelchair to the edge of the shore
And to her legs she smiled
“You won’t hurt me no more”
But then a sight shed never seen
Made her jump and say
“Look a golden winged ship is passing my way”
And it really didn’t have to stop
It just kept on going

And so castles made of sand slips into the sea, eventually.

Castles Made Of Sand, Jimi Hendrix

Castles Made of Sand - Jimi Hendrix
http://youtube.googleapis.com/v/_MNtzBlZWHc?ytsession=XSI3Zcm85OJEKNoCFa51E5oFeTZOdSREA-6iFTsWQuRh8meeuTKlOIU7a4Iznf-pZ2bkdvhjBUfiWsnknPaqAdnKHVQaam66RwugFcSPuYaOckYSqxSjNaf1GVtjtCXxZs3lBt9GBgr7H-N5cNGVvw

by Tosh Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:11 am

The fundamentals of Christianity are the teachings of Y’shua Moshiach, of Jesus Christ. A fundamentalist Christian does her/his best to willingly follow the teachings of Y’shua Moshiach, of Jesus Christ the teachings of Y’shua Moshiach, of Jesus Christ. Y’shua, Jesus, teaches, “Treat others as you would have others treat you in all things whatsoever, for this is the Law and the Prophets.”

Texas,

There are 30 or 40,000 different interpretations of the fundamentals of Christianity, yours is only true to you, others KNOW it differently. Not only are you claiming Christianity to be the one and only true faith, you are now claiming your literal version is the one and only true interpretation of Scripture.
The problem of attaching yourself to absolute dogma from the ignorant bronze age, is you spend all your waking hours contorting and distorting both science and theology to make them compatible.

What I find dishonest is you know you have to do this in order to make sense of Scripture, and that is what baffles me, how can faith persuade you to be unreasonable in your thinking processes. You must know that Jesus had very limited scientific knowledge and just because Jesus believed in a literal Adam and Eve doesn't make it true.

As I said previously at best your thinking is inconsistent and at worst it is simply dishonest, and Jesus did not preach either. If all Christianity means is kindness then most humans are kind, and most humans are Christians even if they have never heard of Jesus.

by Tosh Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:25 am

Humans have not “decided” that design implies a designer; design itself screams “DESIGNER!” No implication or inference necessary.

Again this is you trying to play with words to escape the obvious, you have deduced from your observations that the concept of human design applies to the whole of nature. The evidence implies or infers design in your opinion and your opinion is not an empirical fact, it is not empirical in any sense of the word. You are looking at the world and it screams it is flat.

Order and complexity do not have to be designed, and we have many examples of both occurring randomly in nature, you oppose common ancestry because it is a natural explanation for order and complexity, the appearance of design is enough for you to reject the evidence of common ancestry. This screams DELUSION.

by Tosh Thu Apr 25, 2013 1:56 pm

I have lived on this planet, in this universe, my entire cognizant life, and I expect to do so for the remainder of my life. Throughout my cognizant lifetime on this planet in this universe, in one hundred percent of the cases I have observed, organization has been the result of design; in fact, in one hundred percent of the cases I have observed, design has preceded organization.

Does it never snow in Texas, next time it does have a close look at a snowflake, its well organized.

by Guest Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:18 pm

No “J” in 1611 King James Version?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e2FE4atcEA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpnDLfmRcws
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WC_qIG94Ag

More.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0RiHp_GSYs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSVYxFwA3fg&feature=endscreen&NR=1

I’ve not posted these videos because I agree with the “authors”; I’ve posted this because the content motivates me to think beyond what I “know.”

by snowyflake Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:50 pm

Sorry but the man preaching is a nutter. And he is preaching semantics. The man that is referred to in the gospels could be called Jesus, Joshua, Jehosephat or John James Jingleheimerschmidt. It doesn't matter.

A rose by any other name smells as sweet. Jesus by any other name is still the messiah to christians.

Why do you get hung up on what his name might have been. I'd be more hung up on whether or not he was even real.

by Guest Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:54 pm

by snowyflake Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:58 pm

King James has a 'J' Smile

The point is it doesn't matter whether there's a J or not. So what? That's the problem with translations. Sometimes one alphabet has letters the other one doesn't and so substitutions occur. It's not a crime and it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of christianity.

by Guest Thu Apr 25, 2013 11:43 pm

by Guest Fri Apr 26, 2013 6:29 am

This might make you sick.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MEhBY9p1EQ

by polyglide Fri Apr 26, 2013 10:25 am

Having considered the intelligent and sensible posts made by some and the unintelligent and childish responses from others I feel that both Shirina andf Snowyflake are the best examples of cynics that I have ever come across and I have met a few.

by Tosh Fri Apr 26, 2013 10:42 am

The NT is littered with anti-Semitic rhetoric especially the writings attributed to some nut job called John, if one reads the NT books in their chronological order starting with Paul and ending with John, they record a 50 year transition from a Jewish sect to an anti-Semitic faith, the religion of Jesus becomes a religion about Jesus. By the end of the first century the early attempts of Paul to reconcile the two theologies is completely abandoned and Jesus is a full blown pagan demi-god, whose human form was killed by the Jews not the pagan Romans.

The destruction of the Jews in Jerusalem in 70ce removed the biggest obstacle to Christian theology, there simply was no need to accommodate their theology any more.

by Tosh Fri Apr 26, 2013 10:47 am

Having considered the intelligent and sensible posts made by some and the unintelligent and childish responses from others I feel that both Shirina andf Snowyflake are the best examples of cynics that I have ever come across and I have met a few.

They make you look stupid, get over it, you are.

by polyglide Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:10 am

From anyone with common sense I may take offence but Tosh you could not, as your posts indicate, pontificate, on anything beyond the two year old stage.

I did not include you as a cynic because I knew you would not understand the implications there are none so dumb as those who cannot see.

{ the see is not refference to sight, I just thought I would point that out]

by Tosh Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:24 am

Are you sure you are not a girlie, you insult like one. Very Happy

by Shirina Fri Apr 26, 2013 1:47 pm

It matters to me for reasons remarkably similar to the reasons given in the second set of videos. I am painfully and furiously aware of the simmering, smoldering anti-Jew sentiment that lies just below the skins of many who claim Christianity.

Really? Most Christians I have spoken to - especially the more militant evangelical versions - may as well be Jewish. They seem to prefer the Old Testament to the New and don't put much stock in anything Jesus said (as you well know). In addition, any criticism of Israel is considered, in their eyes, anti-semitic, and they bash Obama for not being Israel's lapdog.

by Guest Fri Apr 26, 2013 3:26 pm

by Tosh Fri Apr 26, 2013 4:23 pm

Fascinating dialogue from Texas and Shirina, can we just say most Catholics hate Jews and most Protestants hate Jews except for Moses and Jesus.

by oftenwrong Fri Apr 26, 2013 5:22 pm

".... most Catholics hate Jews and most Protestants hate Jews except for Moses and Jesus."

A contributor to The Observer, Catherine Whitehorn, once wrote "I never hate in plurals".

Her intelligence was confirmed every time she was interviewed, most apparent on Television or radio of course, by an invariable pause for several seconds before providing her response to a question.

That's rare. "Most people" prefer to blurt something for fear of being thought not to have a ready answer to everything under the sun.

by Tosh Fri Apr 26, 2013 6:44 pm

"Most people" prefer to blurt something for fear of being thought not to have a ready answer to everything under the sun.

...don't be too hard on yourself.

by oftenwrong Fri Apr 26, 2013 7:57 pm

pas de touche mon brave!

If the cap fits - wear it!

It's a beginner's error to ascribe one's own faults to opponents, n'est-ce pas?

by Shirina Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:55 pm

I speak not of persons

by Guest Fri Apr 26, 2013 10:13 pm

“You can’t see the forest for the trees.”

This adage, quoted earlier by me in reference to another matter, has applied to me for two hundred ninety-nine days, four hours, and nine minutes.

The forest: This thread, since its inception two hundred ninety-nine days, four hours, and nine minutes ago, has carried truth as its title. I did not realize this until now. My bad.

by Guest Fri Apr 26, 2013 10:21 pm

by oftenwrong Fri Apr 26, 2013 10:34 pm

Greatest I am wrote:To hate Jews is to hate God.

If you believe in the sacrifice of Jesus, then you must believe that God planned for it and set the conditions even before the earth was formed. If as most believe, the Jews were the cause of the sacrifice, then one must believe that God put the notion and desire to kill Jesus in the Jewish hearts....

It's possible to attach too much importance to polemic such as this opening salvo - which is presumably intended to stimulate discussion. To "blame" the Jews for what happened to Jesus is arguably illogical, because who but a person's own Peers would be entitled to sit in judgment? In such circumstances the Roman occupying power was almost guaranteed to require the locals to sort out their own internal disputes.

by snowyflake Sat Apr 27, 2013 1:13 am

I feel that both Shirina andf Snowyflake are the best examples of cynics that I have ever come across and I have met a few.

We are not the ones who think the world 'is in such a state' because 'man doesn't do what God intended' and it's 'all man's fault not God's' and 'let's not forget the input of the Devil' who might be OW for all we know.

We are not the pessimist, polyglide. The world is a much better place than it was 50, 100 or 500 years ago. Polyglide the Apocalyptist wants to usher in the Second Coming so he can go to heaven and everyone else can go to hell.

Nice Smile

by Guest Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:42 am

Greatest I am wrote:
To hate Jews is to hate God.

If you believe in the sacrifice of Jesus, then you must believe that God planned for it and set the conditions even before the earth was formed. If as most believe, the Jews were the cause of the sacrifice, then one must believe that God put the notion and desire to kill Jesus in the Jewish hearts.

oftenwrong wrote:
It's possible to attach too much importance to polemic such as this opening salvo - which is preumably intended to stimulate discussion. To "blame" the Jews for what happened to Jesus is arguably illogical, because who but a person's own Peers would be entitled to sit in judgment? In such circumstances the Roman occupying power was almost guaranteed to require the locals to sort out their own internal disputes.

I am guilty of “[attaching] too much importance to… this opening salvo”; in fact, this diatribe is one among many trees planted by the thread initiator that I have allowed to prevent me from seeing the forest.

A highly-fictitious novel about the Maccabees begins and ends with a Michener-ish historically accurate narrative report “penned” by a Roman official sent by the Roman Republic to negotiate with the Maccabee.

Several decades ago, a long=ago very-ex-girlfriend lent me a paperback copy of James Michener’s Hawaii. Bad move on her part; when she got it back a week or two later, it had deteriorated, due to my intense reading, from mint condition to well-word. Even today, Hawaii is among only six long novels which I could barely stand to put down until I finished reading. Counting in chronological order, these novels are (1) Samuel Clemens’ Huckleberry Finn (first read, thirteen years old), (2) Huckleberry Finn (second read, nineteen years old), (3) Mario Puzo’s The Godfather, (4) Michener’s Hawaii, (5) James Clavell’s Shōgun, and (6) Michener’s The Covenant.

This Roman officials “report”, structured as a prologue and epilogue to the actual novel, captured my full attention in a similar manner. Thankfully, it was less than fifty pages long (maybe), so I didn’t feel compelled to find long red lights at which to stop my car so that I could read just one more paragraph.

Why the fascination? According to the Roman official’s “report”, pre-Y’shua bar Yosef Yuden apparently lived in a society that stood in stark contrast to all other circum-Mediterranean societies. Slaves had legally prescribed and protected rights, including the right to be freed after “slaving” for a certain number of years. Slaves were a minority rather than a majority, significantly outnumbered by free citizens. Almost all men were literate, a skill necessary to read Torah portions, which all men were expected to do from time to time, both within their families and in public Shabbat services (no clergy among Yuden). Women were citizens with rights; they owned themselves, they owned property, and they could inherit property. Perhaps Trevor might shed some detail-revealing light on these items included in the Roman official’s “narrative report.”

Yuden led the way towards better society. Perhaps that’s why they were chosen by Adonai Eluheinu; perhaps one must love Yuden to love YHVH Elohim who chose then.

To the best of my knowledge, Roman law and Roman authorities disallowed executions ordered by the Sanhedrin, reserving authority to dispense ultimate punishment unto themselves. Thus, as Y’shua was executed by crucifixion, Yuden did not kill Y’shua; Romans killed Y’shua. Also, switching because of personal ignorance into Anglicized Greek and English, the whole “Trinity” construct was not fabricated until maybe two or three hundred years after Jesus’ crucifixion (perhaps Trevor will help with the precision), so “the Jews” couldn’t have killed God hundreds of years prior to Jesus’ “assignment” as God, even if “the Jews” had done the unthinkable and executed Jesus in defiance of Roman law.

by polyglide Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:53 am

Latest:-

From a scientist.

The world is in danger from four main sources with the possible result being the end of mankind.

Asteroid.
Volcano
Nuclear Bomb
Biotechnology.

Now the former two we are not able to control and have nothing to do with man's actions.

The latter are both the result of mankinds actions.

Now can you just point out when the world has ever been in it's present state.

by Tosh Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:08 am

What kind of scientist ignores a pandemic as the most likely species killer, god brewing up nasty viruses to kill us all.

by polyglide Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:21 am

My last post was the theory of an emminant scientist who I thought you thought were always right, the wORLD IS ROUND.

So you pick and choose your scientists, very clever.

If there was to be a virus it would be the actions of mankind and not God who was the cause.

by Tosh Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:29 am

Pagans believe Jesus was killed by the Jews for claiming to be the son of God, all Jews consider themselves to be the son of god, its hardly going to get you killed.

Pagans believe Jesus was killed by the Jews for claiming to be the Messiah, Messianic claims were not uncommon amongst the Jews, Jews judged this claim on its actions not words.

Pagans believe Jesus was killed by the Jews for claiming to be the son of man, again this is not a blasphemous claim to divinity, it is a divinely appointed position.

In reality Jesus was not wandering around for years preaching he was God in a monotheistic culture, he wouldn't have got out of Galilee alive never mind making it to Jerusalem.

I really don't think Pontius Pilate executed a Jew for claiming to be God, its far more probable he executed him for stirring up the masses at Passover, preaching the end of the world was coming, and the world was Rome.

Once the split between Judaism and the Jewish sect of Jesus became irreversible, it was in the interests of Christianity to demonize the Jews who rejected Jesus was the Messiah, they tweaked the story a tad and made their rejection the cause of his death.

by Tosh Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:30 am

If there was to be a virus it would be the actions of mankind and not God who was the cause.

Bird flu.

by Shirina Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:30 am

Now can you just point out when the world has ever been in it's present state.

Between the years 1348 and 1350, bubonic plague, 200 million dead. (This number doesn't count the untold thousands who were murdered in a religious panic)

Between the years 1918 and 1920, Spanish flu outbreak, 100 million dead.

To put that into perspective, WWII, the most destructive war in human history only killed 60 million.

Can you tell me, polyglide, what historical era was ideal, in your opinion?

by Shirina Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:32 am

My last post was the theory of an emminant scientist who I thought you thought were always right, the wORLD IS ROUND.

No one here has ever claimed that scientists are always right.

I will claim, however, that religion has always been wrong.

by Shirina Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:33 am

If there was to be a virus it would be the actions of mankind and not God who was the cause.

Who created viruses, bacteria, and germs, polyglide?

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