Food for thought

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I trust everyone reading this will take it as an unbiased reflection of the present situation and possible implications regarding faith.

There is much concern at the present time regarding young girls leaving home and joining the fighting in the belief that their faith demands it.

These are Muslim girls and one wonders why they would leave a so called better society to join in the fighting.


It should not be a secret what the parents of these girls teach their children as right from wrong, based on ther Koran.

These girls see day after day the way in which the vast majority of the youth of today behaves, along with the television and newspapers showing a long list of activities alien to the girls belief.

MP's lying, thieving and charged with the worst possible crimes of child abuse, 480 judges charged with crimes, parents killing their children, wives being beaten up, youths falling about and full of drugs etc;

This surely gives those Muslim's intent on brainwashing these poor girls to go to war, all the ammunition they need.

Your thread question is answered as a no. The evidence in multiple posts. If you've no interest in discussing then why keep posting?  Let alone lying about it, and changing the thread by referring to children now. 

All very silly. Especially since the vast majority of adherents to religious terrorism have never set foot in the UK. Are we to blame for them as ell?

by polyglide on Fri Jul 31, 2015 3:44 pm
that is not the point.

by polyglide on Sat Aug 01, 2015 12:12 pm
I never suggested there was an answer

by polyglide on Wed Aug 05, 2015 11:45 am
I feel you have missed the point entirely.

by polyglide on Sat Aug 08, 2015 12:47 pm
You as in other topics miss the whole question and go off onto something totally irrelevant.

by polyglide on Sat Aug 08, 2015 2:58 pm
All that you say regarding the Koran is totally irrelevant, as is all the other things you qoute, they have no bearing whatsoever on my question.

by polyglide on Mon Aug 10, 2015 4:20 pm
I believe any reasonable person will realise that you have missed the whole point.

by polyglide on Mon Aug 10, 2015 6:04 pm
All you say has nothing to do with the question.

by polyglide on Tue Aug 11, 2015 4:23 pm
just a simple question which you apparently cannot undertsand.

by polyglide on Fri Aug 14, 2015 3:10 pm
I am afraid you have a problem with understanding just what the matter in question is.Nothing you say has anyhting to do with what is being considered.

by polyglide on Fri Aug 14, 2015 4:31 pm
Are you being puposely obtuse or cannot you help yourself.
None of your reply actually addresses the question

by polyglide on Sat Aug 15, 2015 11:37 am
All parts of your reply are irrelevant to the question,

by polyglide Today at 2:51 pm
Your replies ARE totally irrelevant to the question.

I'm betting the irony of this embarrassing display is lost only on you, but what the hell, I'll have one last go.

Your first post ended with this premise (no question was asked):

by polyglide on Mon Feb 23, 2015 3:25 pm
This surely gives those Muslim's intent on brainwashing these poor girls to go to war, all the ammunition they need.

So here goes....

No, this doesn't give them ammunition to radicalise young Muslims. That's in the Koran already, and most of the people who go to fight for the religious terrorist group ISIS have never set foot in the UK.

Dr, Shedlon,
Wriggle, wriggle, you do not understand the point being addressed.

I know about the Koran, along with all the other possible influences that make those carrying out the atrocities, they have nothing whatsoever to do with the matter in hand.

I am talking about young people brought up to respect other people and their beliefs in England who are radicalised, as many parents to their dismay have discovered, gainst all they have been taught.

You've asked I've answered. Your BS  in this thread is embarrassing. You clearly have no cogent point else you'd have made it by now. It clearly has nothing to do with a tiny minority of young people being radicalised as each time I offer plausible refutations you childishly reject my post as irrelevant without even attempting to address what I've said.

polyglide wrote:Dr, Shedlon,
                Wriggle, wriggle, you do not understand the point being addressed.

It was your point, I quoted it and answered it, perhaps you've not really got any point and so you keep making the same idiotic objections because all you want to do is make the same claim over and over.

Polyglide wrote: I know about the Koran, along with all the other possible influences that make those carrying out the atrocities, they have nothing whatsoever to do with the matter in hand.

Of course they do, don't be stupid, there are several relevant texts that quite specifically invoke violence against non-Muslims. Only an imbecile would claim these texts are irrelevant when discussing what is used to motivate those who go out and commit atrocities.

Polyglide wrote: I am talking about young people brought up to respect other people and their beliefs in England who are radicalised, as many parents to their dismay have discovered, gainst all they have been taught.  

 

Yes I know, and you claimed that the behaviour of decent law abiding UK citizens was being used as ammunition to recruit them, and I pointed out that only a minuscule minority of those who are recruited into religious terrorism like ISIS came from the UK, so your claim is demonstrably spurious, but you prefer to ignore all evidence you don't like, repeat your absurd claim endlessly, and then rant that everything you don't like is irrelevant, but that won't make it all go away.        

Now does your thread have any point beyond your spurious claim which has been thoroughly dismantled?

               

Dr, Shedlon,
You have a very funny way using dismantled, when all you have done is repeatedly shown you do not understand the question.

It does not matter if only one young girl has been radicalised using the present behaviour that those doing the radicalising can use as ammunition, it is the piont that are we as a nation giving those with entirely opposite views reasons to do what they are doing?.

Would you want to live under Muslim Law?.

It does not matter wether the actions involved are legal or illegal, the question is, does this give those involved ammunition to show what they feel is a corrupt society to persued others and convince them to their way of thinking?.

Polyglide wrote:the question is, does this give those involved ammunition to  to persued others and convince them to their way of thinking?.

 

NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-

Polyglide wrote:Would you want to live under Muslim Law?.

No. Do you want to Kowtow to religious fascists? How does this help stop them exactly?

Dr, Shedlon,
Did you realy mean NO?.

It is a sad fact that the evidence in recent times prove otherwise as recent examples in the media have indicated.

No isn't a fact, and no evidence in any media has proved your ridiculous claim true. This is no doubt why you can't evidence it. Or even tell us what your point is after 7 pages of repeating the same stupid claim. 

Do you want us to kowtow to religious terrorists,  yes or no? If not then who cares what they think?

Dr, Sheldon,
Calm down, it will not do your health any good.

The fact is that children have been radicalised through several means, the papers in the last few days have taken the passports from young girls who have been promised a better life and a good husband away from all the depravity in the place they live etc; along with many already having left for the same reason.

Religion is being used and abused by the terrorists and there is no excuse for their actions, as a Christian I should be considerate but as a human being I would hang them all up by their
means of procreation.

I am perfectly calm, though I can see why you'd want to pretend otherwise to evade answering my question.

Do you want us to kowtow to religious terrorists, yes or no? If not then who cares what they think?

Polyglide wrote:the papers in the last few days have taken the passports from young girls who have been promised a better life and a good husband away from all the depravity in the place they live etc; along with many already having left for the same reason.

So nothing to do with the behaviour of UK citizens then? So your claim was entirely wrong, as I have repeatedly said.

Polyglide wrote:as a Christian I should be considerate but as a human being I would hang them all up by their
means of procreation.

So much for the religion of universal love and forgiveness, why am I not surprised at this rank hypocrisy.

Dr, Sheldon,
The answer as I have said previously is no.

There is nothing hypocritical about being human.

You miss the point, those young girls have been shown how the present people where they live are living and acting in a manner their religion condems. [or the present situation regarding the behaviour of many gives those intent on radicalising the young the opportunity to do so].

Polyglide wrote:You miss the point, those young girls have been shown how the present people where they live are living and acting in a manner their religion condems.

So what? Who cares if religious fascists don't like decent, moral, and free people living their lives?

Dr, Sheldon,
Then you think drugs, drunkeness, rape, child abuse, foul speech, immodest dress, fighting in the streets, murder etc; etc; constitute, decent, ,moral, and free living etc;

You have a very different outlook on life than I.

Don't be a prat. Why must you make up lies all the time?

What kind of sick moron conflates rape and child abuse with a person's dress sense?

You seem determined to conflate the worst kind of criminality with perfectly decent moral behaviour, which is as moronic as it is obnoxious.  Yet have the hilarious dishonesty to lie and claim that I have done so. 

I don't give a flying f**k ifreligious fascists are using decent law abiding behaviours to indoctrinate people into terrorism. The crimes you list are ubiquitous in strict Islamic theocracies, and I tire of pointing this out to you only for you to ignore it, as it dismantles your transparent attempt to rant about perfectly legal freedoms you clearly have a problem with yourself and are trying to conflate with the most heinous crimes. To even hint that the way a woman chooses to dress is in any way comparable with child abuse speaks for itself. 

You've yet to produce one single cogent point in this thread beyond your asinine assertion that scumbag religious terrorists are somehow our responsibility either through decent law abiding people going about their business or because people break the law. The idea is absurdly stupid. 

Religious terrorists and those who recruit them are entirely culpable for their own actions.

Dr, Shedlon,
What lies?.

polyglide wrote:Dr, Shedlon,
                What lies?.

by polyglide Today at 3:18 pm

Dr, Sheldon,
Then you think drugs, drunkeness, rape, child abuse, foul speech, immodest dress, fighting in the streets, murder etc; etc; constitute, decent, ,moral, and free living etc

That one, and a thoroughly obnoxious lie it is as well. I suggest you apologise, but we both know you haven't the integrity or you'd not have lied on the first place.

Dr, Shedlon,
Look at the post to which I refered.

All that which I listed are open for the use of those intent on radicalising the young, are you saying they are not abundant or cannot be used ?. Are you saying they are part of acceptable behaviour? your post indicates that there is none of the items listed and that all are going about a healthy and acceptable life. I have constantly pointed out the use that the radicalisation brigade can use to tempt young people and yet you refute it.

I'm saying you posted an obnoxious lie about me and haven't the integrity to acknowledge it,  let alone apologise. 

I've answered and debunked the rest of that garbage enough now, and have no intention of repeating myself only for you to go on endlessly making the same stupid claim as if I've said nothing. Then make up insulting lies about what I've posted.

Religious terrorists are entirely responsible for their own behaviours.  Who cares what amoral scumbags like ISIS  are offended by.

Dr, Sheldon,
That is not what the post is about.

The post is about possible radicalisation and not about the terrorists and are we giving them ammunition to use for their cause.

I'm done discussing this until you retract that lie and apologise.

Dr, Sheldon,
There is no lie as far as I am concerned, I asked a question which you did not reply to, did you think all that I listed was acceptable behaviour, I never put it as a question in the manner it was written but to anyone reading it it would be evident that all it required was a reasonable response, either yes or no.

This....


by polyglide Today at 3:18 pm

Dr, Sheldon,
Then you think drugs, drunkeness, rape, child abuse, foul speech, immodest dress, fighting in the streets, murder etc; etc; constitute, decent, ,moral, and free living etc


Is an obnoxious lie. There is no question asked there. Retract and apologise ....

Dr, Shedlon,
Please learn to read with understanding.

Your statement regarding, so who cares if religious facists don't like decent, moral, and free people living their lives.

I was correct in assuming, as anyone else would be from the above, that you condoned the manner in which those were involved in the list I gave and were living their lives etc; as you made no exceptions.

If you do not agree with those listed then you should have made it clear as exceptions, you did not and therefore I was entitled to assume they were amongst the ones living their lives etc;

I'm done discussing this until you retract that lie and apologise.

by polyglide Today at 3:18 pm

Dr, Sheldon,
Then you think drugs, drunkeness, rape, child abuse, foul speech, immodest dress, fighting in the streets, murder etc; etc; constitute, decent, ,moral, and free living etc;

You have a very different outlook on life than I.

Do YOU even know the difference between the perfectly legal actions you're describing there and the heinous crimes?

Dr, Sheldon,
Of course I know the difference between legal and heinous actions and that is the whole point, there are too many of the latter in our society for the redicals to use against us.

I see no retraction of your obnoxious lie, and no apology for the same. Until you do this conversation is over.

For the record here is your lie:

by polyglide on Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:18 pm

Dr, Sheldon,
Then you think drugs, drunkeness, rape, child abuse, foul speech, immodest dress, fighting in the streets, murder etc; etc; constitute, decent, ,moral, and free living etc;

You have a very different outlook on life than I.

Leaving aside your appalling spelling and grammar, either apologise and retract this obnoxious lie, or argue on with your apologetics for recruitment of religious terrorism alone.

Dr, Sheldon,
From your previous comments it is obvious that you must feel that everything that is going on is right and proper and everyone should be allowed to do their own thing, you made no exceptions and all I have done is pointed out that not all in the garden is rosy as you appear to think.

You do not realise the significance regarding the henious behaviour and the ability for those intent on radicalisation to use it as a weapon.

For the record here is your lie:

by polyglide on Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:18 pm

Dr, Sheldon,
Then you think drugs, drunkeness, rape, child abuse, foul speech, immodest dress, fighting in the streets, murder etc; etc; constitute, decent, ,moral, and free living etc;

You have a very different outlook on life than I.

Leaving aside your appalling spelling and grammar, either apologise and retract this obnoxious lie, or argue on with your apologetics for recruitment of religious terrorism alone.

Dr, Sheldon,
I cannot understand your approach to this matter.

If you think people should behave and do as they like and that the matters above do not give the radicals ammunition to use in radicalising young people then all you have to do is say so.

Your comments regarding people doing what they like suggests that everything goes, you made no exceptions.

For the record here is your lie:

by polyglide on Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:18 pm

Dr, Sheldon,
Then you think drugs, drunkeness, rape, child abuse, foul speech, immodest dress, fighting in the streets, murder etc; etc; constitute, decent, ,moral, and free living etc;

You have a very different outlook on life than I.

Leaving aside your appalling spelling and grammar, either apologise and retract this obnoxious lie, or argue on with your apologetics for recruitment of religious terrorism alone.

Dr, Sheldon,
Let us just get this matter straight.

You stated clearly words to the effect that you do not care about facists using decent law abiding behaviour to indoctrinate people into terrorism, The behaviour I said that was being used was as quoted, in no way did I indicate that acceptable behaviour had anything to do with it.

[size=17]by polyglide on Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:18 pm

Dr, Sheldon,
Then you think drugs, drunkeness, rape, child abuse, foul speech, immodest dress, fighting in the streets, murder etc; etc; constitute, decent, ,moral, and free living etc;

You have a very different outlook on life than I.[/size]

Leaving aside your appalling spelling and grammar, either apologise and retract this obnoxious lie, or argue on with your apologetics for recruitment of religious terrorism alone.

Dr, Sheldon,
There is no need of any apology just explain why you did not discount all the henious actions from the none law abiding people.

For the record here is your lie:

by polyglide on Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:18 pm
Dr, Sheldon,
Then you think drugs, drunkeness, rape, child abuse, foul speech, immodest dress, fighting in the streets, murder etc; etc; constitute, decent, ,moral, and free living etc;

You have a very different outlook on life than I.

Apologise and retract this obnoxious lie, or argue on with your apologetics for recruitment of religious terrorism alone.

Dr, Sheldon,
I thought I had fully explained the position.

You stated : I don't give a fig if religious fascists are using decent law abiding behaviours to indoctrinate people.

What the terrorists are using are those which I listed wether they be lawful or not.

I do not agree with many things that are lawful but that has nothing to do with this matter.

For the record here is your lie:

by polyglide on Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:18 pm
Dr, Sheldon,
Then you think drugs, drunkeness, rape, child abuse, foul speech, immodest dress, fighting in the streets, murder etc; etc; constitute, decent, ,moral, and free living etc;

You have a very different outlook on life than I.

Apologise and retract this obnoxious lie, or argue on with your apologetics for recruitment of religious terrorism alone.

Dr, Sheldon,
It worries me that we give the terrorists any ammunition to add to their army of evil monsters, the fact is we do in that we portray our lifestyle in many ways as directly opposite to what their proffessed belief is.

by polyglide on Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:18 pm
Dr, Sheldon,
Then you think drugs, drunkeness, rape, child abuse, foul speech, immodest dress, fighting in the streets, murder etc; etc; constitute, decent, ,moral, and free living etc;

You have a very different outlook on life than I.

Apologise and retract this obnoxious lie, or argue on with your apologetics for recruitment of religious terrorism alone.