Thatcher changed Britain for the worse

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Through the Thatcher Major, years, millions of British people were made poor as a matter of policy, while others got rich as a matter of policy.

Blair and Brown embraced Thatcherism due to the change in the British, and now Milliband wants to change Labour again due to a changed Britain.

I personally long for a political party that sticks to it's core values, that has conviction, that does not change itself to suit a greedy selfish uncaring British populas who'se only thought is "self". In my view this "self" is mainly among the British middle classes.

Thatcher changed Britain for the worse, and now we are reaping through this dreadful coalition, what has been sown.

bobby wrote:If you walk and poo, you simply become a Tory and crap on everyone "en-passant.

Or bobby there is another way just been watching BBC Parliament channel and have seen I never thought I would see Vince Cable has been put through the Tory Party machine and came out the other end BATHED in Tory Ideology and Dogma so there you go bobby there is another way, and he is just as nasty as the Tories he sits next too.

WShen Herr Cameron said he will introduce apprentiships, I didn't know he meant they where for Lib-Dems only. They will learne how to lie, cheat and steal, their instructors of course are the Conservative Party.

bobby wrote:WShen Herr Cameron said he will introduce apprentiships, I didn't know he meant they where for Lib-Dems only. They will learne how to lie, cheat and steal, their instructors of course are the Conservative Party.

It has already started bobby I was watching the BBC Parliament channel to Vince Cable he has been through the Tory Machine and came out the other end spouting Tory Ideology and Dogma, it made me feel sick to watch him so I have been calling his party the Yellow Tories.

What is this dogma crap people are spouting. Look around at any politician regardless of which gang he/she runs with. The moment they get their snouts in the trough their attitude becomes me, me, me. The tories have it so labour want it, both feel they're right yet it's labour politicians that have forgotten why started in politics in the first place.

If you want impartial politics vote for an independent, though he'll probably get dragged to the trough in time.

QUOTE: "If you want impartial politics vote for an independent"

But don't expect any result from such a choice. The Westminster Parliament operates on the "Whip" system, whereby MPs receive preferment, jobs and privileges ONLY if they toe the Party Line every time there is a Division (vote).

A truly "Independant" MP will be invisible for all practical purposes.

witchfinder wrote:If RedFlag was in his late 20s when Thatcher was pushed out of 10 downing street, then he must be a similar age to me, I was 30 in 1990.

I am very proud to claim that I was chairman of "Whitby & District Against the Poll Tax", and as such played my little part in bringing about the downfall of Margaret Thatcher.

I remember been stood in the witness box of Whitby Magistrates Court claiming that I could not pay the tax on religious grounds, the chairman of the bench asked for clarification, but when I pulled out a 12 page explanation he banged his gavel and over-ruled.

The court house was packed for three days with non-payers, we insisted that each defendant must be found on the electoral roll ( which apparently we were entitled to demand ) - the council officials were pretty sick and fed up.

Ah! Happy Days

Any chance of the return of "Whitby & District Against the Cuts" then we could go back to Ah Happy Days.

"The moment they get their snouts in the trough their attitude becomes me, me, me."

So you voted for "troughites"? after condemning Labour time and time again for being "troughites" your favourite phrase.

How hypercritical of you Land. Now I see you are tending to get back where you started before the election. Dithering and sitting on the political fence where you were waiting to see which manifesto would suit your pocket. I trust you have found satisfaction?

Mel wrote:"The moment they get their snouts in the trough their attitude becomes me, me, me."

So you voted for "troughites"? after condemning Labour time and time again for being "troughites" your favourite phrase.

How hypercritical of you Land. Now I see you are tending to get back where you started before the election. Dithering and sitting on the political fence where you were waiting to see which manifesto would suit your pocket. I trust you have found satisfaction?

You must agree Mel Thatcher was an Old COW but Scam..er..on is a lot worse with some of Maggies MUPPETS in his cabinet and high ranking Ministers it just goes to prove he has been looking through Thatchers papers from the time she was in power, its about time the entire UK sent the Yellow and Blue Tories a message loud and clear via the Ballot Box come this May with the local Elections and the Mayoral elections that will maybe shake the Yellow Tories into growing a BACKBONE.

Redflag wrote:

Mel wrote:"The moment they get their snouts in the trough their attitude becomes me, me, me."

So you voted for "troughites"? after condemning Labour time and time again for being "troughites" your favourite phrase.

How hypercritical of you Land. Now I see you are tending to get back where you started before the election. Dithering and sitting on the political fence where you were waiting to see which manifesto would suit your pocket. I trust you have found satisfaction?

You must agree Mel Thatcher was an Old COW but Scam..er..on is a lot worse with some of Maggies MUPPETS in his cabinet and high ranking Ministers it just goes to prove he has been looking through Thatchers papers from the time she was in power, its about time the entire UK sent the Yellow and Blue Tories a message loud and clear via the Ballot Box come this May with the local Elections and the Mayoral elections that will maybe shake the Yellow Tories into growing a BACKBONE.

Redflag, This is not so much about backbone, it's more about ideoligy.

And please remember that the OLD GRANDEES are always around and influence debate, and advise their vitreol all over again - likes of Tebbit, Heseltine, Gummer, Howe add your own at will!

It is the same as the 80s, plenty thought has gone into the current engineering of policy, but absolutely NO caring as to what the effects will be, has been applied to theapplication of said policy.

astra wrote:And please remember that the OLD GRANDEES are always around and influence debate, and advise their vitreol all over again - likes of Tebbit, Heseltine, Gummer, Howe add your own at will!

It is the same as the 80s, plenty thought has gone into the current engineering of policy, but absolutely NO caring as to what the effects will be, has been applied to theapplication of said policy.

This is because the right wing are ideolically economists, they are not socialists.

Looks as though Gummer may have come unstuck where he lives. Where? clue: He is now Lord Chadlington.

He successfully lobbied the local authority to close a rubbish tip near his stately 'ome, but the said authority are now considering plans for an enormous housing estate there.

Couldn't happen to a nicer chap.

This is because the right wing are ideolically economists, they are not socialists.

Ivanhoe,

I think we are all well enough aware of this.

Since 1980 accountants have been given the reigns to all business and look at the misery they have espoused all in the name of "viability" "the bottom line" etc. This however has not stopped businesses from closing down. IMO business failure has accelerated since 1980 and the Tory Government's meddling in the boardrooms (I DO include NEW LABOUR in this, as they were as Tory as any of the OLD GUARD!)

It's possible that God will now give the Tory-led Coalition a direct line into Heaven, because He must have realised by now that He didn't give them anything else to look forward to.

To my mind Cameron's Tories are the UK version of the US Tea Party. Cameron is too cunning to be open and use those words, he knows it would be political suicide, but the policies are there for all to see.

On a completely different note here is a link to possibly the greatest speech (I think anyway) of the Thatcher era, Neil Kinnock's "I warn you" speech. It is still just as true today:

http://www.owen.org/blog/326

Bob - excellent link to Kinnock's great, and now proven to be true, speech.

BobEllard wrote:To my mind Cameron's Tories are the UK version of the US Tea Party. Cameron is too cunning to be open and use those words, he knows it would be political suicide, but the policies are there for all to see.

On a completely different note here is a link to possibly the greatest speech (I think anyway) of the Thatcher era, Neil Kinnock's "I warn you" speech. It is still just as true today:

http://www.owen.org/blog/326

I have always thought that Scam..er..on went looking through Thatchers old papers to get Ideas for his own policies, and as we have seen this is what she was thinking about doing to the UK during the 1980s.

That speech made me cry when I watched it all those years ago...I knew in my heart that every word was or would come true. And now Camoron and co are making that evil cow maggie look like mother theresa!

Adele Carlyon wrote:That speech made me cry when I watched it all those years ago...I knew in my heart that every word was or would come true. And now Camoron and co are making that evil cow maggie look like mother theresa!

Yes Adele, I could not agree more. Roll on 3 years, when hopefully, this coalition will drown, including Clegg for supporting Cameron.

Notice how this ties in with the Murdoch machine, the front page of the Sun prior to the general election of 1992, when Labour with Neil Kinnock lost the general election in 1992 and Tory John Major won.

I wonder how many Sun readers didnt listen to Kinnock's speech, but who believed everything the Murdoch machine printed ?.

Adele Carlyon wrote:That speech made me cry when I watched it all those years ago...I knew in my heart that every word was or would come true. And now Camoron and co are making that evil cow maggie look like mother theresa!

How so very true that is Adele.

astra wrote:

This is because the right wing are ideolically economists, they are not socialists.

Ivanhoe,

I think we are all well enough aware of this.

Since 1980 accountants have been given the reigns to all business and look at the misery they have espoused all in the name of "viability" "the bottom line" etc. This however has not stopped businesses from closing down. IMO business failure has accelerated since 1980 and the Tory Government's meddling in the boardrooms (I DO include NEW LABOUR in this, as they were as Tory as any of the OLD GUARD!)

Yes astra, New Labour sold out their core values, just like Clegg is doing now.

P.S. I humbly do not apologise for writing what I think we are all aware of. I am but a mere human being, after all. "lol".

tlttf wrote:What is this dogma crap people are spouting. Look around at any politician regardless of which gang he/she runs with. The moment they get their snouts in the trough their attitude becomes me, me, me. The tories have it so labour want it, both feel they're right yet it's labour politicians that have forgotten why started in politics in the first place.

If you want impartial politics vote for an independent, though he'll probably get dragged to the trough in time.

As for your quote about every politician and there attitudes of me me me the worst ones guilty of that is the Tories with the rest given to Tory party Donors which include big business and there friends in the City, I seem to recall you talking a lot of shyte to the extent when i read your posts i always have a Toilet Roll handy.

Ha!!!!!!! "me, me, me" attitude, takes one to know one

As for your quote about every politician and there attitudes of me me me the worst ones guilty of that is the Tories with the rest given to Tory party Donors which include big business and there friends in the City, I seem to recall you talking a lot of shyte to the extent when i read your posts i always have a Toilet Roll handy.

[color=black]There are, and always have been, genuine MP's who do a good job, do not cheat on their expences and do their best for their constituents. They are usually the ones who do not seek agrandisement but work in the background.
Then there are/were MP's who gave us things like our original NHS, education system for the poor etc.
There are MP's who even today work for those who voted for them.
We have a jaundiced view of MP's because of the 'misdoings' of some.
We have a jaundiced view of many MP's because we don't accept their disasterous policies, as at present.
I am among the latter.
But I accept that some MP's are hardworking and conscientious.

Why is it Trevor, that we have never in the last 30 years heard an MP COMPLIMENT the hard working family man, who struggles to keep a roof over his head and bread on his family's table.

Someone may say so and so said this or that, but will be few and far between and said with crocodile tears!

In their eyes we are ALL the same benefit scrounging trash!


So, to me, giving them a "Dose of their own" is perfectly legitamate.

astra wrote:And please remember that the OLD GRANDEES are always around and influence debate, and advise their vitreol all over again - likes of Tebbit, Heseltine, Gummer, Howe add your own at will!

It is the same as the 80s, plenty thought has gone into the current engineering of policy, but absolutely NO caring as to what the effects will be, has been applied to theapplication of said policy.

What I have seen in the H.O.C. is the Sons of Maggots Muppets Gummer also Hurd is two Im sure there will be more.

Sir Bernard Ingam is rearing up from the mists of obscurity, or is it me?

by astra Today at 11:34 am

.Why is it Trevor, that we have never in the last 30 years heard an MP COMPLIMENT the hard working family man, who struggles to keep a roof over his head and bread on his family's table.

Perhaps the useful MP'S keep their heads down and work.

I don't know what local news programme you receive. If you had watched Look North - Hull a while ago you would have heard just what you are complaining about. By 3 MP's complimenting local workers on their skills, and telling of their actions to try to help local workers. All of which has been manifest in their actions.

Are we too bigotted to acknowledge there are those who actually do care.

Why then are we all so keen to have Ed as Prime Minister, or at least Labour in power if MP's don't care about ordinary people.
If none of them care it will make no difference, they will be only concerned with themselves apparently.

Mel. My experience of life is that there are all sorts out there, and so often we see what we want to see, and ignore what we don't want to see.

640 odd MPs and 3 come up with the goods!


Short odds even for me!

When one watches a 'debate' in the Commons when a full house is present, it is difficult to avoid the feeling that all the braying and hooting and puerile 'hear, hears' are simply a sign that MPs are a herd of pathetic morons who are no better than a football crowd at its worst.

Of the entire bunch there are no more than two dozen to whom I would give the time of day...

Right-wingers tend to be less intelligent than left-wingers, and people with low childhood intelligence tend to grow up to have racist and anti-gay views, says a controversial new study.

Conservative politics work almost as a 'gateway' into prejudice against others, say the Canadian academics.

The paper analysed large UK studies which compared childhood intelligence with political views in adulthood across more than 15,000 people.

The authors claim that people with low intelligence gravitate towards right-wing views because they make them feel safe.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2095549/Right-wingers-intelligent-left-wingers-says-controversial-study--conservative-politics-lead-people-racist.html#ixzz1v9onOvMN

Have a read of this! Sorry it's the daily fail, but if you can stomach that rag it's well worth a read. Not that I didn't already know anyway like!

"...grow up to have racist and anti-gay views..."

......Eric - do you dislike blacks and gays?

(telegraph.co.uk)

" Not at all - I'll eat anything..."

Very good!!!

Right-wingers tend to be less intelligent than left-wingers

Adele. Take a look at this thread:-

https://cuttingedge2.forumotion.co.uk/t334-are-atheists-and-left-wingers-more-intelligent

Phil Hornby wrote:"...grow up to have racist and anti-gay views..."

......Eric - do you dislike blacks and gays?

(telegraph.co.uk)

" Not at all - I'll eat anything..."

This is up too your usual standard PH, what do you say we send him to Africa he would keep the starving people going for weeks, as i like to call him 5 Chins and 10 Bellies.

Anybody read about Ed Mili cosying up to the owner of Hull football club who donated £100,000 to the labour party. Naturally he doesn't expect any payback?

If that the best you can do tlttf, then don't bother. It's pathetic!!!!!

What's the matter melly, checked the internet and found out the facts, but as they don't suit your sad view of the world you naturally discount it. Weird way of moving forward.

Clearly, that hangover is especially bad this morning.......

Possibly Phil, was at a very social golf do yesterday.