Is Ed Miliband living on borrowed time?

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Tonight’s YouGov poll for the Sun has topline figures of CON 41%, LAB 39%, LDEM 10%, Others 10%. This is the first time that YouGov have shown a Conservative lead since December 2010. It certainly looks as though the Conservatives have recieved a boost from David Cameron’s veto at the European summit. There is also a new ComRes poll out tonight for the Independent which has topline figures of CON 38%(+1), LAB 38%(-1), LDEM 12%(+2) – also showing the two main parties effectively neck-and-neck. How is it that the tories can be level or ahead in the polls when they are having to make some very difficult and painfull decisions to try and bring down the deficit, the umemployment figures are the worst for 17 years. We have had strikes, pension reforms, VAT rises and the veto in Europe etc.......

It looks like Ed Millaband is not liked or trusted by many of the elecorate. In my opinion he looks weak, sounds weak and has no policies to speak of....Everytime he tries to get the better of Cameron in PMQ'S he ends looking like a fool with Cameron destroying him. Ed Balls is no better...he comes across as an odious man with no substance, who would probably stab his own wife in the back if it meant he gained more power.

Labour missed a trick in not voting in Eds brother David into the leadership role. David would have given Cameron a better run for his money and I believe he is a better politician than Ed too. With the two Eds at the helm I believe Labour are not a viable opposition right now and one or both could be dispatched by the party sooner rather than later

Most children have a strong sense of fair play. Disappointment almost always provokes them to say, "But that's not fair!" Eventually the corners get knocked off their expectations, and many become cynical adults.

Politics is expensive, and requires a level of financial injection generally affordable only by Big Business, so it may be unrealistic to expect any government that does not favour the wealthy.

bobby wrote:Hello Bluey, As a matter of interest, who from the choices we have at present, do you think has the majority of the populations interests at heart.

Hi bobby,

NOT THE EFFING TORIES BOBBY.

Interesting paradox!

He needed to think of something to prove his One Nation credentials, and yesterday Ed Miliband revealed to Jane Merrick that Labour’s great predistribution hope would be a living wage of at least £7.20 an hour. To mark the beginning of ‘Living Wage Week’ Guido is looking into how Labour’s new flagship policy is implemented by themselves.

This morning Brent Labour Party, home to Barry Gardiner and Glenda Jackson, are advertising for a two day-a-week campaign intern “to assist with preparations for the 2014 local elections and the 2015 general election”. The lucky candidate’s responsibilities will include writing press releases, updating the website, drafting letters and other admin jobs. And how much will they be forking out for what certainly appears to be real job? A grand total of zero pounds an hour.

Brent Labour join the likes of Stella Creasy, Chuka Umunna and Tony Blair as past and present MPs guilty of unpaid intern hypocrisy. Guido would also like to know how much Labour HQ pays its young staffers. MPs receive over £130,000 to spend on staffing, so they can afford to pay those who work for them. Recruiting ambitious unpaid ‘volunteers’ and then pontificating about the lack of social mobility amongst those of low income households is simply rank hypocrisy.

http://order-order.com/2012/11/05/labours-living-wage-living-a-lie/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+guidofawkes+%28Guy+Fawkes%27+blog+of+parliamentary+plots%2C+rumours+and+conspiracy%29

Once you start looking the hypocritical p*att is everywhere.

The Labour leader’s on the warpath for companies to pay the London Living Wage, has he checked on his own troops?

As London mayor Boris Johnson bangs the drum for a greater London living wage, Labour leader Ed Miliband has said that companies who do not pay their staff a “living wage” of at least £7.20 an hour would be named and shamed.

Speaking to the Independent on Sunday, he said that it was a central part of his “One Nation” vision to “share prosperity”. But judging by the job postings at Labour, he may want to get his own house in order.

Shadow chief secretary to the Treasury Rachel Reeves wanted two interns to help man the office for a princely “reasonable travel and food expenses”
Even Ed Miliband could find nothing in his deep pockets to compensate those who worked on his campaign for the Labour leadership (and his shadow chancellor Ed Balls).
Nor could Labour’s Yes to AV campaign last year (beyond “travel and lunch expenses”).
Or shadow business secretary Chuka Umunna.
Brent Labour Party needs a campaign intern to assist with election preparations – for how much? “Reasonable expenses”
If Brent isn’t your bag, then Vauxhall Labour Party have the same on offer
And London Labour mayoral candidate Christian Wolmar

That’s of course leaving aside former Labour Prime Minister Tony Blair’s problems in paying people to work in his own office.

Miliband’s call for a London Living Wage might be laudable, but it seems many parts of Labour have yet to hear the message.

http://www.londonlovesbusiness.com/business-news/politics/ed-miliband-to-name-and-shame-low-payerslike-labour/3864.article

It's only hypocritical if the Labour Party does it. When Tories want folk to work for nothing it is called the 'Big Society', apparently...

Come off it Phil, you know I think they're all chancers. Simply highlighting that the differences are minimal between either major political parties. Though Labour drone on about working for the people (sick joke).

tlttf wrote: ....

Miliband’s call for a London Living Wage might be laudable, but it seems many parts of Labour have yet to hear the message.

http://www.londonlovesbusiness.com/business-news/politics/ed-miliband-to-name-and-shame-low-payerslike-labour/3864.article

A very old saying runs, "You must cut your coat according to your cloth." Which is to say you have to manage with what you've got, and the left wing don't got millionaire donors picking up the tab for all those desirable extras. Thus there will always be an element of begging for support from like-minded workers. The comparison is with sharing a dividend when you're one of those City fat cats with four or five "non-executive" directorships.

" Come off it, Phil..."

You're talking to a chap who used to ask Union Representatives who banged on angrily about low pay , just how much they paid folk to clean their offices.

I never did get a very clear answer...

Phil Hornby wrote:It's only hypocritical if the Labour Party does it. When Tories want folk to work for nothing it is called the 'Big Society', apparently...

Your right PH, yesterday in the H.O.C. the second reading of the bill that hands workers £250.000 of shares but there worker rights will be gone, and for all they know the shares will not be worth the paper there written on or by the time they need to cash them in (when there boss has unfairly dismissed them) the company could have gone bust like many of the well known stores have over the last two years.

So Ed Mili the bastion of the Labour party wants to be just like Margaret Thatcher. You really couldn't make this stuff up.

At a guess that's just lost the labour party (those can read) 20% of the voters, what a clown.

tlttf wrote:....

At a guess that's just lost the labour party (those can read) 20% of the voters....

Whereas Gideon Osborne has lost about 20% of the National wealth in two years.

Phil Hornby wrote:It's only hypocritical if the Labour Party does it. When Tories want folk to work for nothing it is called the 'Big Society', apparently...

What about the Beecroft report that wants to do away with the Gang Master Legistation, which allows gang masters not just not paying the living wage BUT not even the minimum wage, so your quite right PH but it is always the same if the Labour party do it is wrong but if the Tories suggest people working for PEANUTS or nowt they put it down to being a part of the Big Society.

"What about the Beecroft report .... ?"

What indeed, Red? A very old saying runs "Show respect and be respected". It was the Aristos' lack of respect for the less privileged which caused many of them to lose their heads in 1789.

People like Beecroft may yet find their 21st. Century authority challenged.

So Ed Mili the bastion of the Labour party wants to be just like Margaret Thatcher. You really couldn't make this stuff up

I nearly had a accident in my pants I was laughing so much when I read this. Well done Ed this will cheer up the party faithfull

So Ed Mili the bastion of the Labour party wants to be just like Margaret Thatcher. You really couldn't make this stuff up. At a guess that's just lost the labour party (those can read) 20% of the voters, what a clown.

tlttf. Don’t get too excited by this latest ‘Daily Mail’ yarn (a pity that once again you didn’t acknowledge the source), which won’t lose Labour any votes (not even among “those can write”, unlike you it seems). This was all about conviction (of which Hitler had plenty), not policies. Mind you, it’s not a comparison I’d ever choose to make; the only ‘conviction’ that would interest me about Thatcher would be if she was put on trial at The Hague for sinking the Belgrano.

Thatcher famously told us in 1978 that “Britain needs more inequality”. In September 2010, in his first major speech as leader of the Labour Party, Ed Miliband said: "I do believe this country is too unequal and the gap between rich and poor doesn't just harm the poor, it harms us all." Ed Miliband wants to give people the living wage, Thatcher wouldn’t even give them the minimum wage. That’s the sort of stuff that will interest Labour voters, not the usual ‘Daily Mail’ distortions.

There are Tory aligned news papers which are credible sources of news, like for example The Times or The Telegraph, just as there are reliable sources of news from more Liberal or left of centre aligned papers, The Independent or The Guardian.

But The Daily Mail is a different category alltogether

It always seems to me that The Daily Mail and The Sun are the Jimmy Saviles of the newspaper world.

They prey upon those who are too immature or reckless to know the implications of what is being done to them...

Cameron is trying to make his 'resistance' to Europe his own version of the Falkland's War. However what we do not know is what exactly Cameron will do. However ED should be making far more hay out of the fact that Cameron sabotaged a proposed 'Tobin Tax' and is likely to attempt to sabotage any Europe wide agreement to tackle tax avoidance.

Because at present the lie that he is fighting the EU on behalf of ordinary Britons is gaining traction.

blueturando wrote:

So Ed Mili the bastion of the Labour party wants to be just like Margaret Thatcher. You really couldn't make this stuff up

I nearly had a accident in my pants I was laughing so much when I read this. Well done Ed this will cheer up the party faithfull

I see you are still reading the Daily Fail blue and worst of all believing the CRAP they write so you wet your knickers for S.F.A, even if you Shyte your knickers Ed Miliband would NEVER follow in the Maggots footsteps. I suggest you start reading the Sun it does not cost as much as the Daily Fail but does write the same sort of CRAP.

Magpie's View wrote:Cameron is trying to make his 'resistance' to Europe his own version of the Falkland's War. However what we do not know is what exactly Cameron will do. However ED should be making far more hay out of the fact that Cameron sabotaged a proposed 'Tobin Tax' and is likely to attempt to sabotage any Europe wide agreement to tackle tax avoidance.

Because at present the lie that he is fighting the EU on behalf of ordinary Britons is gaining traction.

The more things change, the more they stay the same:
John Major was humiliated in 1992, Euroscepticism was rampant in the Tory ranks, with Thatcher its unofficial champion.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jan/26/britain-proud-home-euroscepticism

Magpie's View wrote:Cameron is trying to make his 'resistance' to Europe his own version of the Falkland's War. However what we do not know is what exactly Cameron will do. However ED should be making far more hay out of the fact that Cameron sabotaged a proposed 'Tobin Tax' and is likely to attempt to sabotage any Europe wide agreement to tackle tax avoidance.

Because at present the lie that he is fighting the EU on behalf of ordinary Britons is gaining traction.

Hi Magpie good post, Scam..er..on will also not change the tax system within the UK because that is where his party funds come from, most of the tax avoidance or tax evasion have there money paid into OFF SHORE accounts or in a foreign country like the majority of Tory voters. I would not worry about the EU the other 26 countries will fcuk him up there and he would not dare bring us out because of the lost of jobs and business.

Indeed a good post from magpie s view

The subject of Europe is a very tricky one for any Tory leader, but it could be a troublesome subject for Labour too, the problem of course is two little words "public opinion" which blows in this direction, then the other.

The Labour Party is not deeply divided on Europe, it is basically a European party though Ed needs to keep an eye on public opinion, the Tories on the other hand are deeply divided and an implosion or massive bust up is possible.

The average 10 point lead which Labour have had over the Tories for many months is a comfortable position, but in my personal opinion Labour should aim for the governments vulnerable spots - the NHS, the economy, the daily announcements of huge cuts and job losses in local government.

The leader of Newcastle upon Tyne council said tonight that if cuts of this magnitude carry on, then in a four or five years from now "we will have to start cutting essential services" and that "local government will never be the same again".

witchfinder wrote:There are Tory aligned news papers which are credible sources of news, like for example The Times or The Telegraph, just as there are reliable sources of news from more Liberal or left of centre aligned papers, The Independent or The Guardian.

But The Daily Mail is a different category alltogether

Your quite right WF, the category it should be in is one of the public toilets to use to wipe peoples A**ES that is all its fit for.

witchfinder wrote:....

The subject of Europe is a very tricky one for any Tory leader, but it could be a troublesome subject for Labour too ....

The average 10 point lead which Labour have had over the Tories for many months is a comfortable position, but in my personal opinion Labour should aim for the governments vulnerable spots - the NHS, the economy, the daily announcements of huge cuts and job losses in local government.....

"Europe" could be the topic that scuppers Cameron's chances of re-election, but it doesn't go away as a problem when Labour win the next General Election. No doubt Ed. Miliband consulted his colleagues before publicly aligning himself with the Thatcher, but it will come back to haunt him again, and again, and again. BIG MISTAKE.

As Cameron heads off to Euro budget negotiations, we are heading into a danger zone, because if Cameron plays the "tough leader" role declaring "no no no", then my guess is that his support in the polls will rise, and Labours lead will narrow.

After a while most voters will soon forget about Europe, any rise in popularity for Cameron and the Tories will be relatively short lived, people will turn their attentions back to the news of the day, the local community centre closing down and the many problems facing our cash starved NHS, but some floating voters will be persuaded that Cameron is the kind of tough guy they like.

At moments like this it is up to every Labour supporter to make every effort to focus peoples attention on what is happening to thousands of libraries, swimming pools, youth clubs, community centres and ambulance stations.

We need to repeat over and over again what this government is doing to our National Health Service, the covert and underhand plan to simply hand over large sections of the NHS to private companies who give back-handers to the Tory Party ( can I say that ? ).

The budget of the EU will not affect the daily life of you or your sister or uncle or wife, reducing services at your local hospital will.

If you want to discuss European issues, please do so on the appropriate board!

This thread is about the spurious suggestion that Ed Miliband is "living on borrowed time", when his prospects of remaining the leader of his party are considerably brighter than those of Cameron and Clegg.

Thank you.

Ivan wrote:If you want to discuss European issues, please do so on the appropriate board!

This thread is about the spurious suggestion that Ed Miliband is "living on borrowed time", when his prospects of remaining the leader of his party are considerably brighter than those of Cameron and Clegg.

Thank you.

I am 100% CERTAIN of that statement Ivan, over the past year Ed Miliband has stepped up to the plate and with the the help of people like yourself and Labour members also activists will lead the Labour party back into No10 Downing St in 2015, which we all know will be a fair gov't FOR ALL not just the bloody top 10% elite, may I add the MPs expenses are still in dire need of PROPER REFORM due too what is in the news at this time.

This thread is about the spurious suggestion that Ed Miliband is "living on borrowed time", when his prospects of remaining the leader of his party are considerably brighter than those of Cameron and Clegg.

Thank you..

They are all on borrowed time Ivan. Whoever loses the next GE will be out of a job.....and before you say it, you know as well as I do that by-elections are very different from a GE.

A great majority of the population have been let down and do not trust our institutions right now and Labour, The Tories and the Lib Dems fit in very will with this company....

BBC
The EU
The Press
Dodgy celebrities
Tax dodging companies
Tax dodging celebrties
Energy Companies
The Boarder Agency
The Police
The C of E
AND....Thieving MP's (of all parties)

blueturando wrote:

This thread is about the spurious suggestion that Ed Miliband is "living on borrowed time", when his prospects of remaining the leader of his party are considerably brighter than those of Cameron and Clegg.

Thank you..

They are all on borrowed time Ivan. Whoever loses the next GE will be out of a job.....and before you say it, you know as well as I do that by-elections are very different from a GE.

A great majority of the population have been let down and do not trust our institutions right now and Labour, The Tories and the Lib Dems fit in very will with this company....

BBC
The EU
The Press
Dodgy celebrities
Tax dodging companies
Tax dodging celebrties
Energy Companies
The Boarder Agency
The Police
The C of E
AND....Thieving MP's (of all parties)

I see you have been as honest as you can be blue, and some of what you have said is true as long as you remember that this Tory gov't has been in power since May 2010, but you come back and repeat this post after the other 80% of cuts come into being in April 2013, when the entire UK know that he has given tax cuts to the people that earn £150,000 and more a year while they are paid SHYTEE wages or will have there tax credits cut and housing benefit cut plus of course the bedroom tax, what do the people do who are working for the minimum wage do live on the streets because they cannot afford to pay there full rent and they will not hold on to there jobs once they are living on the streets which will mean they will have to go back on J.S.A which will mean we will NEVER get the deficit paid down. I do not forget the Thatcher gov't that was in power for 18 years that destroyed the manufacturing industry and had 3 MILLION on unemployment benefit with the tag its a "PRICE WORTH PAYING" the only thing that is wrong with that it was not her and her MUPPETs that paid the price.

The immutable Tory Law of business dealings is, "Always leave a taste for the next man to enjoy."

The "poor and weak" in society are unlikely to be investors, so miss out on businessmen's generosity to each other.

bobby wrote:Tax dodging Companies
Tax dodging celebrties and Front Bench Tory MP's
Energy Companies
The Boarder Agency
AND....Thieving MP's (of all parties)

All of which Blueturando's leader Herr Cameron has promised he will sort out, yet after a two and a half years in power all he has managed to do is hit the weakest, give tax relief to the richest, create more homelessness just like his mum Thatcher did with their Social Cleansing policies, and extend the time it will take to fix the economy (lets face it, the only economy Herr Cameron knows about is to be economic with the truth) due wholly to his and his Chancellors failed policies, increased borrowing higher than Labour had planned, increased unemployment, and still rising, ( I am certain Herr Cameron will break all records) create waiting lists in the NHS, Refuse treatments like cataracts and hip joint replacements, with the excuse of letting the problem develop. The list of his failures is endless.

We all know that what I have said is the truth as it is all actually happening now and is being witnessed by us all daily, so I will not accept that Ed Miliband will be anywhere near as bad, The Tory Supporters readily gave their support to the Conservative Party in May 2010 on a manifesto based wholly on lies, and know for fact that they are a total load of charlatans, yet now expect us to listen to them as they go about damning Ed Miliband and his Labour Party. They voted Tory and got every ones (but the wealthiest) fingers burnt, now they think we are to listen to them as they attempt to slate a party that has a proven record on economic growth, less unemployment, much shorter hospital waiting lists, less homelessness, a yearly rising minimum wage, employee protection by way of the Social Chapter, etc, etc, etc

Isn't it a shame that the Evil Tory Led Coalition can not put as much energy and importance sorting out the aboce list as they do with hitting the poor and week in Society. Whatever beds may be available in the NHS hospitals should be filled with Tories as they are all phuking sick.

Another good post bobby well said and thank you for telling it like it is, the only way that the Tories can get into power is Lying Through there back Teeth just doing the only thing they know how to do WELL, and are still carrying on telling there lies to see if us the PELBS are daft enough to vote them back into power in 2015 by POO POOING Ed Miliband and the core values of the Labour party. I would not listen to them even if they showed the proof of what they where saying because I know they could not lie straight in bed, as for beds in the NHS bobby fcuk that make them sell one of there mansions to pay for private health care as they are very fond of or send them to Broadmoor they are sick enough to warrant a bed there.

Let me think!!! So far the only sensible post is from blue who quite rightly castigates the government and the wannabes. If some on here could get their heads out of their a*ses, they'd be able to see there are few differences between the troughites either in power or sitting on the bylines waiting their turn at the table, wake up people or you could end up with a government composed of Rotherham councillors? Probably suit some of you!

tlttf wrote:Let me think!!! So far the only sensible post is from blue who quite rightly castigates the government and the wannabes. If some on here could get their heads out of their a*ses, they'd be able to see there are few differences between the troughites either in power or sitting on the bylines waiting their turn at the table, wake up people or you could end up with a government composed of Rotherham councillors? Probably suit some of you!

Instead tittf we have ended up with a couple of "Posh Boys that do not know the Price of Milk" but do know how to work the system that they themselves set up, and to see what I'm talking about check out the Daily Mirror 21st 22nd Nov and see how they like to buy houses with public money and then sell at a profit and stick it in there back pockets. These are the people that already have MILLIONS but "PURE GREED" drives them on for more while the rest of us go WITHOUT.

The Coalition Leader seems to have made a reasonable start in Brussels this week. Cameron has attacked the Commissioners and Staff for not making any economies in their salaries and overheads whilst every member country is having to make cuts "at home", but he has avoided directly upsetting any of the Countries whose budgets are affected.

We are among the "Donor Countries" who are united in wanting to limit the size of the cheques written in favour of the "bail-out" members, and Britain may find itself in the curious position of being more generous with Overseas Aid.

Ed Miliband needs to declare more clearly what Labour's position is on that.

oftenwrong wrote:The Coalition Leader seems to have made a reasonable start in Brussels this week. Cameron has attacked the Commissioners and Staff for not making any economies in their salaries and overheads whilst every member country is having to make cuts "at home", but he has avoided directly upsetting any of the Countries whose budgets are affected.

We are among the "Donor Countries" who are united in wanting to limit the size of the cheques written in favour of the "bail-out" members, and Britain may find itself in the curious position of being more generous with Overseas Aid.

Ed Miliband needs to declare more clearly what Labour's position is on that.

Scam..er..on has got a bloody cheek his wages have not been cut nor have his MPs, and there getting even more through the back door of expenses, I wonder if the EU is asking for a rise from Spain Italy and Greece ?? if they want the Euro to survive let the countries in the euro bail it out, which is a waste of time and money because it is dead in the water.

I agree OW Ed Miliband will have to set out what Labour would do about this if they where in power??

"Oh, God! Perhaps I am living on borrowed time."

oftenwrong wrote:

"Oh, God! Perhaps I am living on borrowed time."

If you believe what Scam..er..on and Osborne SHYTE they have been spouting OW then the answer is yes.

Ed Balls should not have been flatfooted in Parliament today by Gideon's usual smoke-and-mirrors accounting. The attack should have been made on his absolutely zero progress during the past 2½ years of Coalition Government.

oftenwrong wrote:Ed Balls should not have been flatfooted in Parliament today by Gideon's usual smoke-and-mirrors accounting. The attack should have been made on his absolutely zero progress during the past 2½ years of Coalition Government.

Can not argue with that one OW, and I agree that Osbourn used smoke-and-mirrors but Ed will come back at him when he has had a look at the figures, and hit him right between the eyes with the TRUTH about his figures, it upsets me that the Labour miss so many things that the Tories leave themselves open too if I can see it when I watch the BBC Parliament channel any ideas how to get this through to the Labour MPs??

The charitable explanation must be that Labour don't want to give away anything of their own plans by using their figures to challenge the Coalition too closely.