If the Tories are in power, it must be private!

by Redflag Mon Mar 19, 2012 11:44 am

First topic message reminder :

Before May 2010 Cameron said that the N.H.S "is safe in my hands." No it's not because he is a tory! These plans had been drawn long before he came into power he knew that he would hive off a chunk of our N.H.S to the private sector. After the voting public turf him and his cohorts out in 2015 or earlier... IS THERE A DIRECTORS JOB IN THE OFFING?

His next target was the Great British Bobby, our police force bringing in the private security companies to do back room work, and light policing. After sacking the original back room staff, did he not realize that someone has to do the paperwork so that the police can do their job out on the streets, preventing crime and catching criminals? Or is this an attempt to create: JOBS FOR THE BOYS

This week it's the motorways, now cars, vans and lorries are not just having to pay their road tax in the coming months and years. There will be motor way tolls. When Ken Livingstone introduced the congestion charges for London the conservatives went for blood, however now we are just expected to smile sweetly and say nothing of these charges that are to be introduced by the tories! !nn! !nn! If you use these private motor ways with the price of petrol and diesel rising the only people that will be able to afford to travel by these roads will be the top 1% of the UK. In other words the filthy rich financial sector, is this what he intended to make sure that he put road travel out of the reach of the other 99% of the UK public? Is this another way of putting motorway tailbacks so that him and his cohorts can sail up and down the motorways without having to deal with us (plebs) getting in their way?

WHAT IS THE KICKBACK FOR THIS?

When the Education Minister (Mr Gove) decided to bring in Academy and Free Schools as his pet project there was a promise of "No Council Interference" until some of the Academies failed and then the Councils where told clear up his mess. Now another round of casualties have been racked up with the tory party practice of elitist snobbery, students that are not seen to perform to the expected targets are been shipped out to f.e. Colleges to complete their studies.

PREPARING FUTURE GENERATION AS UP AND COMING TORY VOTERS

by blueturando Wed Aug 29, 2012 11:45 pm

The niggle there is that during thirteen years of New Labour, nobody suggested re-nationalisation of those Railways which nobody could earn a profit from

The last Labour government did talk about it OW and I believe even had a vote on it, but Alistair Darling poo poo'd the idea

by Redflag Thu Aug 30, 2012 4:32 pm

Mel wrote:"What do you mean Mel has five chins and ten bellies got his finger in that pie also"

No no Red, I was just trying to make a funny. Looks like I failed

Branston Pickles "They're luverly"

We are at cross purposes Mel I understood your joke, just thought I would keep it going after all he is the butt of many jokes.

by sickchip Sat Sep 08, 2012 9:15 am

Jeremy Hunt should have been annihalated, and cast into the political wildeerness, over his handling of the BskyB / Murdoch business.......he is an ambitious liar and careerist cheat who would sell his own children out to save his own skin. The Labour party really need to get tougher and need to up their game - they should have destroyed Hunt and his ambitions but let him off the hook.

....and because they did he is now in the position to fulfill tory dreams and destoy the NHS by selling it out to privatisation.

by Mel Sat Sep 08, 2012 9:56 am

Very true chip, I couldn't believe it when I heard UNT was being promoted.
What a bloody farce?

by oftenwrong Sat Sep 08, 2012 10:02 am

sickchip wrote:Jeremy Hunt should have been annihalated, and cast into the political wildeerness, over his handling of the BskyB / Murdoch business.......

Instead, he has been appointed Minister for the letter "H".

by Redflag Sat Sep 08, 2012 11:14 am

blueturando wrote:More privatisation under New Labour than Thatcher and Major
Mark Serwotka, general secretary of the Public and Commercial Services Union (PCS)

"I have to say to you this - that if you judge a government by how it behaves as an employer, this is the worst Government in the history of this country. I tell you why. Not because I have any illusions that David Cameron is going to be better - he's going to be dreadful - but the facts speak for themselves. In the Civil Service, the people I'm representing, in four years, the last four years of New Labour, we've lost 100,000 jobs, 2,000 offices have closed. More privatisation of our work than under the governments of Margaret Thatcher and John Major combined."
Mr Serwotka told delegates: "I can tell you absolutely that, even though I worked on the frontline under the governments of Margaret Thatcher and John Major, all of our members tell us there has never been a worse time to be a civil servant than under the current Government."

http://www.labouruniondigest.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=122:more-privatisation-under-new-labour-than-thatcher-and-major

You could be right blue, but have you ever stopped to think that when Labour won the GE in 1997 after 18 years of Tory rule and NEGLECT of the public sector, there was no money in the kitty just like this shower have accused Labour of without any just cause, they know how much Gordon Brown HAD to borrow to bail the greedy bankers, but Tories being Tories they could not tell the WHOLE TRUTH to the voting public and now all there LIES have come back to bite them on the BUTT hence Osbourn and May getting BOOED by 80,000 people at the games.

You also seem to forget that it was the Maggot that sold off Gas Electric phone and the Railways, and Tory donors and friends of the Tory party where caught trying to buy more than there fair share of SHARES in the said companies, it was also the Maggot that De-Regulated the Banks making way for what happened in 2008 and are the bankers suffering HELL NO they are still getting there huge salaries and EXORBITANT Bonuses and there wrong doings are still not over as we are hearing about every day, while the normal working man/women are having to suffer cuts right left and centre and we are told there is more to come. Most of the gov't contracts that have been handed out by this shower have gone to the private sector who only think of PROFIT for there shareholders and themselves, the great UK public will never forgive the Tories for handing 49% of THERE PRECIOUS NHS to the private health sector maybe the majority of Tory voters and Tory MPs can afford the fees for private health Insurance but thanks to this SHYTEE gov't the majority of the normal man/women of the UK can not. The Tory party will pay dearly for what they have done to the great British public at the next GE whether that is in 2015 or earlier which by the mood of the UK will be earlier.

by sickchip Sat Sep 08, 2012 3:50 pm

She also sold off affordable council housing......and it should now be apparent to all that that was absolutely the wrong thing to do.

by oftenwrong Sat Sep 08, 2012 8:00 pm

Margaret Thatcher swallowed Reagonomics hook, line and sinker, not realising that President Reagan had no intention of actually pursuing that course in the USA.

Particularly after seeing how it played out in Britain.

by Mel Sat Sep 08, 2012 8:12 pm

Thatcher also followed Reagonomics with her de- regulation of our finance sector, having to do so to make up for all the loss of tax revenue by closing, selling off and privatising most of out industrial base.

We have followed the Yanks too many times and got our fingers burned.

by **Phil Hornby** Sat Sep 08, 2012 9:03 pm

oftenwrong wrote:Margaret Thatcher swallowed Reagonomics hook, line and sinker, not realising that President Reagan had no intention of actually pursuing that course in the USA.

Particularly after seeing how it played out in Britain.

Sometimes you just have to accept that nothing can beat the irresistible combination of brevity and wit...

by oftenwrong Sat Sep 08, 2012 10:57 pm

Source material for the sleep-deprived:
http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc1/Reaganomics.html

by Redflag Sun Sep 09, 2012 10:15 am

sickchip wrote:She also sold off affordable council housing......and it should now be apparent to all that that was absolutely the wrong thing to do.

Thanks SC I did forget about the council houses that the Maggot sold off WITHOUT replacing them, and now there is a shortage leading to people having to pay EXORBITANT rents to the private landlord (and they are milking it to the hilt). Which brings up the question what the fcuk happened to the money she got for the council houses that she sold?.

by oftenwrong Sun Sep 09, 2012 11:44 am

".... what the fcuk happened to the money she got for the council houses that she sold?."

In Tory-held Councils like Wandsworth it was used to keep Council Tax to a minimum, so as to help at re-election time.

by witchfinder Sun Sep 09, 2012 12:46 pm

With reference to public v private, I see many double standards been enacted by this excuse for a government.

The government is blackmailing local authorities to freeze council tax, this has led to pay freezes, job cuts, cuts in services, libraries and community centres closing down and streets left uncleaned.

And at the same time, private companies like water suppliers, train operaters and utility companies have been allowed to increase prices by way above the inflation rate.

Why is there not a level playing field, what about the saying that we are all in this together ?, surely there ought to be one rule for all and all should abide by the rule.

by oftenwrong Sun Sep 09, 2012 8:06 pm

Quite simply, the Government doesn't believe in Governing. Tory dogma says that businessmen should be encouraged to do everything which could turn a profit, with the State only providing bare essentials.

by Redflag Mon Sep 10, 2012 9:15 am

sickchip wrote:Jeremy Hunt should have been annihalated, and cast into the political wildeerness, over his handling of the BskyB / Murdoch business.......he is an ambitious liar and careerist cheat who would sell his own children out to save his own skin. The Labour party really need to get tougher and need to up their game - they should have destroyed Hunt and his ambitions but let him off the hook.

....and because they did he is now in the position to fulfill tory dreams and destoy the NHS by selling it out to privatisation.

Or Scam..er..on could of put the C..unt in charge of the NHS hoping he could save the neck of Landsley who already has sold off 49% of the NHS to the private health sector, he thinks that the C..unt can get the nurses and doctors to believe him and just except the NHS being put in the hands of the NHS I smell a general strike coming from our great NHS staff.

by oftenwrong Mon Sep 10, 2012 9:54 am

[quote="Redflag] ....I smell a general strike coming from our great NHS staff.[/quote]

Which I suspect is precisely what Lansley's heir and successor hopes they will do. An effective general strike of NHS staff would be difficult to organise, precisely because of the dedication to service of most employees. It would nevertheless crystallise public opinion away from their cause if there were to be evidence of patients suffering - "evidence" which has already been written by the Tory Press just awaiting an opportunity to use it, and result in a carve-up of the NHS into "Regions" so that resistance would be fragmented.

The Tories have been plotting the demise of the NHS ever since Churchill was Prime Minister, and their plans are nearing completion.

by **astradt1** Mon Sep 10, 2012 8:42 pm

Anyone see the report of some of the Independent (fee paying) Schools have finally decided that being funded by the tax payer is not really such a bad thing and have opted to join Mr Gove's 'Free Schools' some are citing falls in the number of parents able to pay the fee's......

by witchfinder Mon Sep 10, 2012 8:53 pm

The TUC conference today heard how Britains railways are nothing but "a gigantic scam for siphoning off public money" with some of the highest fares in Europe and yet more increases in the pipeline which will once again be way above inflation.

But a government minister claimed that the extra money would be invested in the rail network and in new trains.

As the NHS buckles under the financial strain of coping with less money I wonder why the NHS could not have a decent financial settlement in order to provide a decent health care service.

Why is it ok for private train operators to take more and more money from the public and the public purse, but an essential service has to beg and plead simply to keep pace with inflation.

We all know the answer - its Tory dogma, public services must be eliminated

by Mel Tue Sep 11, 2012 8:12 am

"its Tory dogma, public services must be eliminated "

Indeed it is witchy. Elimination of the Tory party is the only answer but will it ever happen with such gullible electorate?

by Redflag Tue Sep 11, 2012 8:30 am

Mel wrote: "its Tory dogma, public services must be eliminated "

Indeed it is witchy. Elimination of the Tory party is the only answer but will it ever happen with such gullible electorate?

I agree Mel with what you have said, but surely the UK public can not be gullible forever they all see what the Tory cuts are doing and they know they have handed 49% of the NHS into the hands of the private health sector and now can not get a hip replacement unless they pay for it plus all the other cuts that are effecting there lives, I can not see the UK being that gullible when the next G.E come around wether that is in 2015 or earlier. My prediction is when the cuts to the Welfare benefits come in 2013 there will be riots in the streets and Tory MPs will have to head to the hills before the mob get there hands on them. cheers

by Mel Tue Sep 11, 2012 8:56 am

I really hope you are right Red.

This is what worries me though. MSN poll------

What do you think of the proposed strikes by public sector workers against government austerity cuts?
Unions are right to strike but they won't change the government's mind
21 % Unions are right to strike but they won't change the government's mind
5,076 votesThe unions need to stop moaning and accept the reforms **************
33 % The unions need to stop moaning and accept the reforms
7,821 votesStrikes will hurt the public, not ministers, they are the wrong way to get the message across
29 % Strikes will hurt the public, not ministers, they are the wrong way to get the message across
6,963 votesStrikes are an effective way to fight the damaging cuts
17 % Strikes are an effective way to fight the damaging cuts
4,174 votes

by bobby Tue Sep 11, 2012 3:54 pm

Redflag said: I agree Mel with what you have said, but surely the UK public can not be gullible forever they all see what the Tory cuts are doing and they know they have handed 49% of the NHS into the hands of the private health sector and now can not get a hip replacement unless they pay for it plus all the other cuts that are effecting there lives, I can not see the UK being that gullible when the next G.E come around wether that is in 2015 or earlier. My prediction is when the cuts to the Welfare benefits come in 2013 there will be riots in the streets and Tory MPs will have to head to the hills before the mob get there hands on them. cheers

Hello Red. The problem we now face is that many people will not protest until they are effected personally, and as less than 20% of the Tory led Coalitions cuts have been implemented, not enough people have yet been effected.

By the time the remaining 80% government cuts are in place, it will be far too late to do much about it, as most of what the Government plan will be almost irreversible either because of Law or finance. Her Cameron, Cnut Clegg and co all know this, and will plough through with their Ideological plans for all they are worth.

Whilst the Olympics have taken front stage and we have been engrossed in how well Team GB have done, you can bet your bottom dollar, this hybrid Government haven’t been sitting on their hands but have been hiding behind the Camouflage getting as much done as is possible.

They need to be stopped well before 2015, but unfortunately I cant see how, unless the Party Conferences turn something up.

by Redflag Tue Sep 11, 2012 6:08 pm

bobby wrote:Redflag said: I agree Mel with what you have said, but surely the UK public can not be gullible forever they all see what the Tory cuts are doing and they know they have handed 49% of the NHS into the hands of the private health sector and now can not get a hip replacement unless they pay for it plus all the other cuts that are effecting there lives, I can not see the UK being that gullible when the next G.E come around wether that is in 2015 or earlier. My prediction is when the cuts to the Welfare benefits come in 2013 there will be riots in the streets and Tory MPs will have to head to the hills before the mob get there hands on them.

Hello Red. The problem we now face is that many people will not protest until they are effected personally, and as less than 20% of the Tory led Coalitions cuts have been implemented, not enough people have yet been effected.

By the time the remaining 80% government cuts are in place, it will be far too late to do much about it, as most of what the Government plan will be almost irreversible either because of Law or finance. Her Cameron, Cnut Clegg and co all know this, and will plough through with their Ideological plans for all they are worth.

Whilst the Olympics have taken front stage and we have been engrossed in how well Team GB have done, you can bet your bottom dollar, this hybrid Government haven’t been sitting on their hands but have been hiding behind the Camouflage getting as much done as is possible.

Hi bobby I agree with what you have said about the other 80% of the cuts that are to come, and some people are not saying anything at the moment because it has not hit them yet so come the end of this year and the beginning of next have your ear protectors ready for the screams that will happen when the real cuts start to hit them and then they will say why was I not told we will just have to be supportive to them.

They need to be stopped well before 2015, but unfortunately I cant see how, unless the Party Conferences turn something up.

by oftenwrong Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:47 pm

" They need to be stopped well before 2015, but unfortunately I cant see how ...."

Me neither, but the history of France circa 1789 may give someone a clue.

by bobby Tue Sep 11, 2012 8:59 pm

Ah yes OW , bring on "La Terreur" Spelling corrected.

by oftenwrong Tue Sep 11, 2012 10:31 pm

As some days may happen
That a victim must be found
I've got a little list
I've got a little list
Of society offenders
Who might well be underground
And never would be missed
They never would be missed

There's weightlifters and bodybuilders
People of that sort
Bank robbers who retire to spend
The minute they get caught
Bishops who don't believe in God
Chief constables who do
All people who host chat shows
And the guests who's on them too
And customs men who fumbling through your underwear insist
I don't think they'd be missed
I'm sure they'd not be missed

Chorus: He's got them on the list
He's got them on the list
And then none of them be missed
And none of them be missed

There's the people with pretentious names
Like Justin, Trish, and Rob
And the gynaecologist
I've got him on the list
All muggers, joggers, buggers, floggers
People who play golf
They never would be missed
They never would be missed

All waitresses who make you wait
Accountants of all kinds
And actresses who kiss and tell
And wiggle their behinds
And pouncy little singers who to entertain us try
By dressing up like women and by singing far too high
And who on close observance must be either stoned or pissed
I don't think they'd be missed
I'm sure they not be missed

Chorus: He's got them on the list
He's got them on the list
And then none of them be missed
And none of them be missed

There's the beggars who write letters
From the inland revenue
And the gossip columnist
I've got him on the list
All critics and comedians and opera singers too
And none of them be missed
And none of them be missed

All traffic wardens, bankers,
Men who sell Venetian blinds
All advertising chappies
And Australians of all kinds
And nasty little editors whose papers are the pits
Who fill their rags with gossip
And huge and floppy... ritz.
And girls who sell the stories
Of the Tories they have kissed
But you must have got the gist
'Cause none of them be missed

Chorus: You may put them on the list
You may put them on the list
And then none of them be missed
And none of them be missed

by Redflag Wed Sep 12, 2012 8:29 am

oftenwrong wrote:" They need to be stopped well before 2015, but unfortunately I cant see how ...."

Me neither, but the history of France circa 1789 may give someone a clue.

That is what I have being hoping for OW, I hope they allow me to operate the GUILLOTINE or something just as gruesome lol!

by bobby Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:26 am

The orriginal Headchopperofferer is believed (except by the Frogs) to be an English or Scottish invention and was used in the North of England some 4 hundred years before the French re-invented their version.
The original headchopperofferer was a simple thing of two runners with a flat squared off blade that run between them much like the more Famous Guillotine, the main difference between to two was that Dr Guillotine made it more victim friendly and developed the more humane sloped blade, whereas the original had a flat blade making it more difficult to lop of the head cleanly and hacked as opposed to sliced.

If we are to revert to such barbarity, lets do it right and forget the Guillotine and get us one of the originals.

And yes you can pull the lever.

by Mel Wed Sep 12, 2012 1:11 pm

I've managed to aquire a few pikestaffs at the ready bobby. Get cutting before it's too late, there's a good chap. Razz

by oftenwrong Wed Sep 12, 2012 7:31 pm

Gideon Osborne has said he is determined to cut the "Red Tape" of government restrictions which prevent honest businessmen from earning a crust.

How many watching the TV news today of a conflagration in a textile factory in Karachi that killed 250 workers because the exits were barred will make the connection with "cutting red tape"?

by **Phil Hornby** Wed Sep 12, 2012 8:49 pm

It does seem appropriate in the interests of reducing all this 'health & safety' nonsense that there should be an immediate withdrawal of all police protection for leading Tory politicians.

After all who could possibly want to cause them any physical harm....? cheers

by Redflag Wed Sep 12, 2012 9:04 pm

Phil Hornby wrote:It does seem appropriate in the interests of reducing all this 'health & safety' nonsense that there should be an immediate withdrawal of all police protection for leading Tory politicians.

After all who could possibly want to cause them any physical harm....?

PH I like your thinking have you got special powers in mind reading, because I think you have been reading mine lol!

by **Phil Hornby** Wed Sep 12, 2012 9:09 pm

I knew you'd say that, Red... Embarassed

by Redflag Wed Sep 12, 2012 9:13 pm

Phil Hornby wrote:I knew you'd say that, Red...

You need to stop reading my mind PH, there are things there that nobody should see especially the Tories. lol!

by oftenwrong Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:47 pm

The principal problem facing the Nation's workers is that the Tory-led Coalition members don't care what they think.

by Redflag Thu Sep 13, 2012 12:27 pm

oftenwrong wrote:Gideon Osborne has said he is determined to cut the "Red Tape" of government restrictions which prevent honest businessmen from earning a crust.

How many watching the TV news today of a conflagration in a textile factory in Karachi that killed 250 workers because the exits were barred will make the connection with "cutting red tape"?

That is exactly what Scam..er..on wants OW, and the worst thing is things under this shower of Dick Heads would be just as bad as in Kerachi.

by Redflag Fri Sep 21, 2012 9:04 am

oftenwrong wrote:The niggle there is that during thirteen years of New Labour, nobody suggested re-nationalisation of those Railways which nobody could earn a profit from. That's probably because nobody could earn a profit from most lines, without a subsidy. Rail Track is simply a device whereby everybody pays to maintain the track on which wealthy speculators run their trains. If the entire Nation decides that a good railway network is essential, then the entire nation will have to pay for it, because the economics of running a railway can only justify commuter lines and three or four InterCity services.

Just lets hope that the Labour party get into power in 2015, then all Labour party members & voters tell there MP that we want our Railways back into the public sector and if we shout loud enough they WILL have too listen.

by bobby Fri Sep 21, 2012 12:06 pm

Hello Red. When, not if the Labour Party get back in in 2015, re -Nationalising the existing rail system will in my opinion be very difficult if not impossible.
The problem as well the Tories know is that when the railways where privatised, like all of the utilities, the shares where sold very cheap, making it easy for people with not too much money to buy into the scheme, the thing is that the share price rose quite rapidly and many of the original share holders sold theirs off for a nice profit, These shares went to pension funds and other large organisations and shed loads went abroad following the shares of our utilities. Once abroad the share holders are protected from UK law and subject to their own, so unless their law changes to the detriment of said shareholder, there’s little we (UK) can do to retrieve the shares.

The best way to get a nationalised Railways is the same as getting nationalised utilities, and that would be to start from scratch and build new, then go in direct competition with the private companies.

by Redflag Fri Sep 21, 2012 9:14 pm

bobby wrote:Hello Red. When, not if the Labour Party get back in in 2015, re -Nationalising the existing rail system will in my opinion be very difficult if not impossible.
The problem as well the Tories know is that when the railways where privatised, like all of the utilities, the shares where sold very cheap, making it easy for people with not too much money to buy into the scheme, the thing is that the share price rose quite rapidly and many of the original share holders sold theirs off for a nice profit, These shares went to pension funds and other large organisations and shed loads went abroad following the shares of our utilities. Once abroad the share holders are protected from UK law and subject to their own, so unless their law changes to the detriment of said shareholder, there’s little we (UK) can do to retrieve the shares.

The best way to get a nationalised Railways is the same as getting nationalised utilities, and that would be to start from scratch and build new, then go in direct competition with the private companies.

Hi bobby

Where there is the will there will be a way to get our railways back, knowing that Labour will get two terms in power maybe some of the other public services that the Maggot sold to the private sector we could take back from the greedy backstuds like the gas and electricity for a start.

by oftenwrong Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:00 pm

What bobby says is no less than the truth. The Tories did not intend privatisation to be reversible, and any attempt to re-nationalise the railways would be regarded by certain foreign governments as confiscation. Paradoxically, the East Coast line from Kings Cross to Edinburgh is NOT in private ownership, as the previous Operators couldn't make any money from it.
Presumably an incoming Socialist administration could re-designate it British Rail and slowly rebuild a publicly owned network from that base, but it's always going to need taxpayer subsidies.

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