If the Tories are in power, it must be private!

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Before May 2010 Cameron said that the N.H.S "is safe in my hands."  No it's not because he is a tory! These plans had been drawn long before he came into power he knew that he would hive off a chunk of our N.H.S to the private sector.   After the voting public turf him and his cohorts out in 2015 or earlier...      IS THERE A DIRECTORS JOB IN THE OFFING?


His next target was the Great British Bobby, our police force bringing in the private security companies to do back room work, and light policing.  After sacking the original back room staff, did he not realize that someone has to do the paperwork so that the police can do their job out on the streets, preventing crime and catching criminals?  Or is this an attempt to create:                  JOBS FOR THE BOYS

This week it's the motorways, now cars, vans and lorries are not just having to pay their road tax in the coming months and years.   There will be motor way tolls. When Ken Livingstone introduced the congestion charges for London the conservatives went for blood, however now we are just expected to smile sweetly and say nothing of these charges that are to be introduced by the tories!   !nn! !nn! If you use these private motor ways with the price of petrol and diesel rising the only people that will be able to afford to travel by these roads will be the top 1% of the UK.     In other words the filthy rich financial sector, is this what he intended to make sure that he put road travel out of the reach of the other  99% of the UK public?   Is this another way of putting motorway tailbacks so that him and his cohorts can sail up and down the motorways without having to deal with us (plebs) getting in their way? 

                                                                           WHAT IS THE KICKBACK FOR THIS?


When the Education Minister (Mr Gove) decided to bring in Academy and Free Schools as his pet project there was a promise of "No Council Interference" until some of the Academies failed and then the Councils where told clear up his mess.   Now another round of casualties have been racked up with the tory party practice of elitist snobbery, students that are not seen to perform to the expected targets  are been shipped out to f.e. Colleges to complete their studies. 

                                       PREPARING  FUTURE  GENERATION AS UP AND COMING TORY VOTERS

Of course he is Ivanhoe, top rate of tax reduced for starters and a small help for small businesses which of course becomes a massive assistance to the very rich businessmen as really intended.

Banks will not get the help, Gideon dare not, but all other greedy buggers will be fed more wealth.

It's interesting how you people want 'rich people' to suppliment all the public services, but you don't want them to make the money to do it....how does that work in your leftie brains.

Budget doesn't effct me here in the Channel Islands....we have our own.

Has Osbourse increased the threshold to 10k before people start paying tax or was that just a rumour.....I'm stuck in the office so I don't know what's been going on

It's interesting how you people want 'rich people' to suppliment all the public services,

WE the public did not WANT Private "Rich" people to supplement ANYTHING!!!! (Don't forget that!)

It is THEY - Rich and Tory Government, who deem the MORAL RIGHT to march in turn all upside down, make an arse of it then expect the taxpayer to breech the leaks!

EDIT!

OK OK the pedantic sod in the next post has registered a complaint!

How does STAUNCH the leaks sound? Any betterer?

Quote Astra.

Excuse my smiling, and I'm not being critical. Do you know something we don't.

Breech = buttocks. Breech the leaks. Is there something leaking we don't know about:D

Sorry, I'm being rude:oops:

"Banks will not get the help, Gideon dare not, ....."

Though the Banks probably find it not unhelpful to have a Government guarantee for any loans to SMEs (or mortgages to first-time buyers) which default.

trevorw2539 wrote:Quote Astra.

Excuse my smiling, and I'm not being critical. Do you know something we don't.

Breech = buttocks. Breech the leaks. Is there something leaking we don't know about:D

Sorry, I'm being rude:oops:

He is not leaking yet trevor2539 but when the truth of the budget come out he will be running and slipping quite a lot the reason DIARRHOEA.

Cameron Gives Osborne's Budget Unequivocal Support

(blogs.telegraph.co.uk)
" I'm only guessing, George, but I have this feeling that you are making us as popular as a crocodile in a jacuzzi..."

Phil Hornby wrote:Cameron Gives Osborne's Budget Unequivocal Support

(blogs.telegraph.co.uk)
" I'm only guessing, George, but I have this feeling that you are making us as popular as a crocodile in a jacuzzi..."

Love it.

Has Osbourse increased the threshold to 10k before people start paying tax or was that just a rumour.

No blue not an "Osbourse" rumour but a sprat to catch a mackrell. A little help at the bottom to justify a lot at the top. Got it?

astra wrote:

It's interesting how you people want 'rich people' to suppliment all the public services,

WE the public did not WANT Private "Rich" people to supplement ANYTHING!!!! (Don't forget that!)

It is THEY - Rich and Tory Government, who deem the MORAL RIGHT to march in turn all upside down, make an arse of it then expect the taxpayer to breech the leaks!

EDIT!

OK OK the pedantic sod in the next post has registered a complaint!

How does STAUNCH the leaks sound? Any betterer?

Astra. The above was not meant as a complaint, and I certainly did not register it as such. It was this pedantic sods:) feeble attempt at humour. I try never complain about anything on here. Though I will debate if I have a different view to you. I apologise if I unintentionally gave offense, but I certainly did not complain.

HEE HEE Trevor, IT's OK lad!!


It's banter!

Youll get me again I'm sure


I'm sure we could have a good half hour raging over what was a penalty and what was not and still come out laughing!

If I hurt you I'm sorry.

astra wrote:HEE HEE Trevor, IT's OK lad!!


It's banter!

Youll get me again I'm sure


I'm sure we could have a good half hour raging over what was a penalty and what was not and still come out laughing!

If I hurt you I'm sorry.

Didn't hurt me. Just didn't want you to think I'd complained.

I've enough complaints at the moment. Doctor told me last week I had a terminal illness - which he called Old Age. He did however tell me not to worry about it until I'd received my letter from the Queen. Crikey, how old will she be by then

Ah well. Tea over. Back to the Greenhouse. 'Talk again'

Blueturando, you must have got yor brain from Woolworths, that why they went squit, selling second rate goods.

Just who do you think it is that provides the Government, with the largest portion of their income tax take. Do you think its those that end up purchasing the shares when our, repeat our Utilities got sold off. Surely not even a die hard Tory like you can believe our utilities where funded by the wealthiest. No they where and are predominantly funded by the average Tom Dick or Harriet, even by the elderly, sick and unemployed.

What you have inadvertently pointed out is one of the fundamental differences between we of the left and the filthy Tory Bastards, its all money with you lot, never service, never public need, never supporting those who need a bit of help, just phucking money, and bollocks to those who haven’t any.

Why in your opinion, should a utility or service that has been funded by the tax payer, most of which comes from PAYE, end up in the hands of the private sector who’s only aim is to make profit. Do you not think that Public services that are funded by the publics money should be owned by the public, and leaving private industry and manufacturing for the Private Sector, or is your belief the same as Herr Cameron’s in that everything is for the benefit of the rich and powerful and sod those at the lower end or who’s ancestors aren’t illegitimate as are Herr Cameron’s.

This article is reproduced in full with the written consent of the blogger, Fydsy:-

I warn you

This is just a short burst of anger, of outrage at the deceitful destruction of the NHS and ordinary lives by this, self-serving, money-grubbing, elitist, front-end Tory Government. Below is the text of Neil Kinnock’s speech in Bridgend, Glamorgan, on 7 June 1983. Almost 30 years on, only the names of the players have changed – the dogma – for the Tories have no policy, just dogma – remains as iron-clad and obvious as ever it was. Remember – some of you voted for these bastards.

"If Margaret Thatcher is re-elected as Prime Minister on Thursday, I warn you.

I warn you that you will have pain–when healing and relief depend upon payment.

I warn you that you will have ignorance–when talents are untended and wits are wasted, when learning is a privilege and not a right.

I warn you that you will have poverty–when pensions slip and benefits are whittled away by a government that won’t pay in an economy that can’t pay.

I warn you that you will be cold–when fuel charges are used as a tax system that the rich don’t notice and the poor can’t afford.

I warn you that you must not expect work–when many cannot spend, more will not be able to earn. When they don’t earn, they don’t spend. When they don’t spend, work dies.

I warn you not to go into the streets alone after dark or into the streets in large crowds of protest in the light.

I warn you that you will be quiet–when the curfew of fear and the gibbet of unemployment make you obedient.

I warn you that you will have defence of a sort–with a risk and at a price that passes all understanding.

I warn you that you will be home-bound–when fares and transport bills kill leisure and lock you up.

I warn you that you will borrow less–when credit, loans, mortgages and easy payments are refused to people on your melting income.

If Margaret Thatcher wins on Thursday–

- I warn you not to be ordinary

- I warn you not to be young

- I warn you not to fall ill

- I warn you not to get old."

Don’t look surprised, don’t feel betrayed – this is who they are and always have been – and you can now lump in that other bunch of apologists and fellow-travellers the ‘sniff of power at any cost’ Lib Dems who have sold their own support so far down the river they should be looking oblivion in the face at the next election.

In the old Tory dream of Britain being more like the USA for all the wrong reasons – the ‘right’ or ‘far right’ reasons in their eyes, today we took a massive step in that ridiculously misguided direction. A policy that was in no manifesto, Tory or Lib Dem some are saying….but as I say, this is a miscomprehension – this is not policy, but dogma – state-run anything when there is a pile of cash to be made and an elite to belong to is anathema to the Tories.

In 2005 Tory MP Oliver Letwin said "There will be no NHS within 5 years of a Conservative election victory" , so don’t look surprised if you were bought off and diverted by bread and circuses, promises of ‘hugging a hoody’, and ‘keeping it real’ – THIS is who they are – THIS is who they always were.

The moral is simple – never, ever, ever weaken and think you should vote for an air-brushed. hand wringing, Eton & Oxbridge educated and moneyed Tory, a former member of the Bullingdon club who has always lived a life of utter privilege and has never once questioned his right to it, or your exclusion from it. Never, ever vote Conservative, unless you are unquestionably an elitist, over-moneyed selfish bastard yourself. Otherwise you may as well hang a sign on your back saying "I’m stupid – kick me". Labour is not Tony Blair, and hopefully that era of pseudo-toryism is gone - they may screw things up by incompetence, local corruption or deflection or cowardly compromise and trimming – but unlike the Tories, they won’t set out to screw it up in the first place as their main aim and objective.

This is not a good day, and there are more to come. GP’s will now decide on funding for hospitals – something very, very few of them wanted to do bar those who saw it as a career rather than a service move.

I warn you.

http://fydsy.wordpress.com/2011/10/12/i-warn-you/

Ivanhoe wrote:

Redflag wrote:

Mel wrote:blue wrote "Some people are sheep and will just follow what's being fed to them"

"Some people are just not interested, bothered or have the intelligence or desire to follow politics."

For once blue and probably the last I agree with you.

You point out exactly the reason why we have a Tory led so called Coalition, elected by default.

And for how long Mel will they behave like sheep I think Scam..er..on and his cohorts must be running out of luck, how far can the Tories push the British public before they start to push back IMHO either a General Strike or a REVOLUTION.

Pardon me for interjecting, but the British will remain largely docile sheep, particularly, "all" those who continue to vote Tory.

How many that where Hissed off with Labour at the 2010 Election voted Tory, I think Ivanhoe you would be quite shocked if those figures where known, and after April when the real cuts come in even the Tories that vote Tory will be FLAMING ANGRY because there are not in Davey boys gang.

I just hope that nobody is going to express surprise.

"Passive resistance" winkled the Raj out of India, and it's quite easy for us to avoid excessively enriching the Tory establishment by not buying the things they want to sell us. Don't pay £60 a month for Sky Television, don't buy Tory newspapers. Don't spend your money in shops where the boss is known to avoid paying British taxes, don't Bank where there's always a seat on the Board for a retired Tory ex-Minister. Don't bet with bookies who donate to Party Funds, or indeed spend your cash at any Business which does that. Assume that mobile-phone sellers support the Tories, as do Train Operators. Going to Polo grounds or Gymkhamas is only OK if you are working there.

If we can't vote them out we can certainly starve them out.

And avoid Conservative Clubs like the plague. Ooops sorry Phil;)

Ah!!!!!!! "Passive resistance" now that is a good idea.

Couple it with union dissrpuptive measures and we might just kick some Tory ass.

Blueturando, you must have got yor brain from Woolworths, that why they went squit, selling second rate goods.

No I got it from the Pick n mix Bobby

blueturando wrote:

Blueturando, you must have got yor brain from Woolworths, that why they went squit, selling second rate goods.

No I got it from the Pick n mix Bobby

Are you happy with Osborne's budget in taking from the pensioners, and giving it to the rich, bluey ?

Does anyone else find it a bit convenient that the day after universally bad press coverage of their budget, out comes a report suggesting a minimum price for a unit of alcohol. Which has now taken over from all the talk about the 'Granny Tax'?

Are you happy with Osborne's budget in taking from the pensioners, and giving it to the rich, bluey

Honestly....No I am not happy and it's a terrible idea!!!!...and not fair!!!

"Honestly....No I am not happy and it's a terrible idea!!!!...and not fair!!!"

I am warming to you blue boy. Well sort of for a short period.

Mel....I have to say it how I see it.

I back to coalition when they had to make some difficult decisions on public spending and reforming the welfare system as some things needed to change to help get us out of the mess we are in...But!!!! Osbournes budget was sneaky and though I don't subscribe to Tory ideology, I though this budget smacked of it.

I can sort of understand reducing the 50p rate to try and ecourage more foreign investment and to try and stop tax avoidance, but I cannot understand this raid on pensions...especially at this time. I am disappointed!!!!

I also think the only reason the tax threshold was raised to 9k...odd, was to sweaten the way for the reduction of the 50p rate...no ther reason!

blueturando wrote:Mel....I have to say it how I see it.

I back to coalition when they had to make some difficult decisions on public spending and reforming the welfare system as some things needed to change to help get us out of the mess we are in...But!!!! Osbournes budget was sneaky and though I don't subscribe to Tory ideology, I though this budget smacked of it.

I can sort of understand reducing the 50p rate to try and ecourage more foreign investment and to try and stop tax avoidance, but I cannot understand this raid on pensions...especially at this time. I am disappointed!!!!

I also think the only reason the tax threshold was raised to 9k...odd, was to sweaten the way for the reduction of the 50p rate...no ther reason!

Bluey, pardon me for interjecting, but what Cameron is doing, has nothing to do with cutting any Deficit. Cameron is using cutting the deficit as an excuse to remove the role of the State in favour of privatisation and Charities, and that's it in a nutshell.

Sorry, but anybody who says any different are just kidding themselves.

Ivanhoe is spot on with his assesment. And this budget does nothing to disprove it. It must now be blatantly obvious even to you blueturando as to what this Government is really about.
Blueturando you say you agree with the Tory (as it is them in the form of Iain Dumkopff Schmitt pushing it) welfare cuts. Just how much do you think will be saved against the costs of planning and implementing. The money would have been better spent on generating growth and jobs, the same can be said of the public sector workers, just how much do you think a postman or a road cleaner earns. A postman working in central London has to claim pension credits to survive and feed his family, it will probably cost more to sack these people and have them on benefits, than it would to keep them in a job, giving a service for their income.

Again I have to say it, you seem to dislike more than you like about your Tories yet still offer your support, when will you see exactly what they are about and change your allegiance, I’m sat saying turn Labour, because I don’t want you, but there must be a party out there other than the Tories that will suit you.

bobby wrote:Ivanhoe is spot on with his assesment. And this budget does nothing to disprove it. It must now be blatantly obvious even to you blueturando as to what this Government is really about.
Blueturando you say you agree with the Tory (as it is them in the form of Iain Dumkopff Schmitt pushing it) welfare cuts. Just how much do you think will be saved against the costs of planning and implementing. The money would have been better spent on generating growth and jobs, the same can be said of the public sector workers, just how much do you think a postman or a road cleaner earns. A postman working in central London has to claim pension credits to survive and feed his family, it will probably cost more to sack these people and have them on benefits, than it would to keep them in a job, giving a service for their income.

Again I have to say it, you seem to dislike more than you like about your Tories yet still offer your support, when will you see exactly what they are about and change your allegiance, I’m sat saying turn Labour, because I don’t want you, but there must be a party out there other than the Tories that will suit you.

""I’m sat saying turn Labour, because I don’t want you"".

Now that smarts.

Having retired early on ill health (for which I must be punished) nothing is even modestly helping me financially. Coupled to the no intrest on savings, it is my savings that are going down at an alarming rate. I saved when I was working for that little extra, NOT to help two self serving Governments and 3 clueless political parties out of their own befuddled mess.
It is as if them in Westminster now have their eyes fixed on the revenue locked up in my house!

You are of course very close to the truth astra, but the Coalition is merely continuing on the path marked-out by Gordon Brown. Pension schemes became unreliable, and interest on Savings derisory, for the same reason. The authorities want you to spend your money, not squirrel it away. Money spent in the economy produces VAT, Income Tax and NI receipts as well as Fuel Duty and tobacco tax etcetera.

The example was Japan, which for ten years had a completely stagnant economy that neither grew nor produced dividends. Many of their Banks had no money, but so long as they weren't lending anyway that didn't matter.

Here, you can borrow freely at sixteen times Bank Rate, but although they want your Savings there's little reward after inflation. Might as well buy that new wig if you want it, and store some laughing-water in the cellar.

Ivanhoe. My remark about not wanting you to join the Labour party was aimed at the Tory Blueturando, not yourself.

bobby wrote:Ivanhoe. My remark about not wanting you to join the Labour party was aimed at the Tory Blueturando, not yourself.

bobby, What on earth made you think I thought you were talking to me ?

Ivanhoe wrote:

bobby wrote:Ivanhoe. My remark about not wanting you to join the Labour party was aimed at the Tory Blueturando, not yourself.

bobby, What on earth made you think I thought you were talking to me ?

Ivanhoe and bobby will you you both stop arguing the right wingers on here will be rubbing there hands in glee, do not give them the satisfaction.

Redflag wrote:

Ivanhoe wrote:

bobby wrote:Ivanhoe. My remark about not wanting you to join the Labour party was aimed at the Tory Blueturando, not yourself.

bobby, What on earth made you think I thought you were talking to me ?

Ivanhoe and bobby will you you both stop arguing the right wingers on here will be rubbing there hands in glee, do not give them the satisfaction.

Surely you jest, Redflag ?

Bloody hell, talk about getting hold of the wrong end of the stick.

bobby wrote:blueturando, Had your post been aimed at one particular person, may I suggest you mention in your post who that person is. If you fail to personalise your message, you must not get out of you wee pram is someone else responds, even if it is only Ivanhoe.

Out of the Pram and spat the Dummy bobby ? thats funny Scam..er..on is quite good at both of these more so at PMQs.

millions more people taken out from having to pay tax, companies relocating to the Uk because of the lower capital gains tax, the very rich deciding it's cheaper to pay their tax rather than avoid it, new jobs coming onto the market, higher taxes for the very rich wishing to buy homes over £2million. Yup now it's settled down there hasn't been any real losers.

"millions more people taken out from having to pay tax"

A simple cover for slashing the top rate of tax. A con trick.

"the very rich deciding it's cheaper to pay their tax rather than avoid it,"

Ha1 ha!, you jest, as they will still avoid and evade paying tax.

"companies relocating to the Uk because of the lower capital gains tax,"

Along with the mass of cheap labour available, created by forced unemployment we may see some results.

"higher taxes for the very rich wishing to buy homes over £2million."

Another cover for reducing top rate tax. Rich won't feel a thing.

" Yup now it's settled down there hasn't been any real losers."

Nope, we have already had thousands of "real losers" before this con of a budget, with many more to come with your Tory ideology. Ask many Senior Citizens if they have been losers, they will tell you exactly where to go Land.

The three pence fuel increase still to go ahead with its concequences for price increases will reduce the crumbs offered to the poor to next to nothing.

Glad you can still afford your pint down at the boozer with your so called "mates".

Is that the best you can come up with melly, so every time the poorer become bettter off it's only to cover cuts given to the rich, what a dickhead. How does raising duty on wealthy homes cover tax cuts pill*ck. You must be crying into your champagne this morning.

tlttf wrote:millions more people taken out from having to pay tax, companies relocating to the Uk because of the lower capital gains tax, the very rich deciding it's cheaper to pay their tax rather than avoid it, new jobs coming onto the market, higher taxes for the very rich wishing to buy homes over £2million. Yup now it's settled down there hasn't been any real losers.

""millions more people taken out from having to pay tax""

What good are tax cuts to people being thrown out of work due to Cameron eroding the role of the State ?

You havent got a clue.

It's true, we are all in it together. That is, those of us comprising the 90% of the population who are not among the top earners.