If the Tories are in power, it must be private!
+19
vappuk
Shirina
Boudica
jackthelad
Tosh
sickchip
Stox 16
astradt1
Mel
bobby
tlttf
blueturando
trevorw2539
oftenwrong
Phil Hornby
astra
witchfinder
Ivanhoe
Redflag
23 posters
:: The Heavy Stuff :: UK Economics
Page 9 of 9
Page 9 of 9 • 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9
If the Tories are in power, it must be private!
First topic message reminder :
Before May 2010 Cameron said that the N.H.S "is safe in my hands." No it's not because he is a tory! These plans had been drawn long before he came into power he knew that he would hive off a chunk of our N.H.S to the private sector. After the voting public turf him and his cohorts out in 2015 or earlier... IS THERE A DIRECTORS JOB IN THE OFFING?
His next target was the Great British Bobby, our police force bringing in the private security companies to do back room work, and light policing. After sacking the original back room staff, did he not realize that someone has to do the paperwork so that the police can do their job out on the streets, preventing crime and catching criminals? Or is this an attempt to create: JOBS FOR THE BOYS
This week it's the motorways, now cars, vans and lorries are not just having to pay their road tax in the coming months and years. There will be motor way tolls. When Ken Livingstone introduced the congestion charges for London the conservatives went for blood, however now we are just expected to smile sweetly and say nothing of these charges that are to be introduced by the tories! !nn! !nn! If you use these private motor ways with the price of petrol and diesel rising the only people that will be able to afford to travel by these roads will be the top 1% of the UK. In other words the filthy rich financial sector, is this what he intended to make sure that he put road travel out of the reach of the other 99% of the UK public? Is this another way of putting motorway tailbacks so that him and his cohorts can sail up and down the motorways without having to deal with us (plebs) getting in their way?
WHAT IS THE KICKBACK FOR THIS?
When the Education Minister (Mr Gove) decided to bring in Academy and Free Schools as his pet project there was a promise of "No Council Interference" until some of the Academies failed and then the Councils where told clear up his mess. Now another round of casualties have been racked up with the tory party practice of elitist snobbery, students that are not seen to perform to the expected targets are been shipped out to f.e. Colleges to complete their studies.
PREPARING FUTURE GENERATION AS UP AND COMING TORY VOTERS
Before May 2010 Cameron said that the N.H.S "is safe in my hands." No it's not because he is a tory! These plans had been drawn long before he came into power he knew that he would hive off a chunk of our N.H.S to the private sector. After the voting public turf him and his cohorts out in 2015 or earlier... IS THERE A DIRECTORS JOB IN THE OFFING?
His next target was the Great British Bobby, our police force bringing in the private security companies to do back room work, and light policing. After sacking the original back room staff, did he not realize that someone has to do the paperwork so that the police can do their job out on the streets, preventing crime and catching criminals? Or is this an attempt to create: JOBS FOR THE BOYS
This week it's the motorways, now cars, vans and lorries are not just having to pay their road tax in the coming months and years. There will be motor way tolls. When Ken Livingstone introduced the congestion charges for London the conservatives went for blood, however now we are just expected to smile sweetly and say nothing of these charges that are to be introduced by the tories! !nn! !nn! If you use these private motor ways with the price of petrol and diesel rising the only people that will be able to afford to travel by these roads will be the top 1% of the UK. In other words the filthy rich financial sector, is this what he intended to make sure that he put road travel out of the reach of the other 99% of the UK public? Is this another way of putting motorway tailbacks so that him and his cohorts can sail up and down the motorways without having to deal with us (plebs) getting in their way?
WHAT IS THE KICKBACK FOR THIS?
When the Education Minister (Mr Gove) decided to bring in Academy and Free Schools as his pet project there was a promise of "No Council Interference" until some of the Academies failed and then the Councils where told clear up his mess. Now another round of casualties have been racked up with the tory party practice of elitist snobbery, students that are not seen to perform to the expected targets are been shipped out to f.e. Colleges to complete their studies.
PREPARING FUTURE GENERATION AS UP AND COMING TORY VOTERS
Redflag- Deactivated
- Posts : 4282
Join date : 2011-12-31
Re: If the Tories are in power, it must be private!
oftenwrong. The problem with posting links to the 'Financial Times' website is that most of us won't be able to read them because there is a paywall. If you are a subscriber maybe you could, from time to time, post a few lines from any articles which you think would be of interest to other members? Thanks.
Re: If the Tories are in power, it must be private!
Point taken, but I do not in fact subscribe to any newspaper online.
At the time I located that quote (from MSN Bing) on the internet, the article was freely available. (I checked the link twice). Now less than 24 hours later there are the usual invocations to part with a chunk of cash to continue. As a devout cheapskate, I shall not be taking up the kind offer, though I understand perfectly that there is no such thing as a free lunch.
My sincere apologies to anyone else also rather confused by the process.
At the time I located that quote (from MSN Bing) on the internet, the article was freely available. (I checked the link twice). Now less than 24 hours later there are the usual invocations to part with a chunk of cash to continue. As a devout cheapskate, I shall not be taking up the kind offer, though I understand perfectly that there is no such thing as a free lunch.
My sincere apologies to anyone else also rather confused by the process.
oftenwrong- Sage
- Posts : 12062
Join date : 2011-10-08
Re: If the Tories are in power, it must be private!
Shame, that - looks as if it would have been an interesting article
boatlady- Former Moderator
- Posts : 3832
Join date : 2012-08-24
Location : Norfolk
Re: If the Tories are in power, it must be private!
Alternate coverage of the same topic can be found here:
http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/public-accounts-committee/news/public-services-private-contractors-report/
http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/public-accounts-committee/news/public-services-private-contractors-report/
oftenwrong- Sage
- Posts : 12062
Join date : 2011-10-08
Re: If the Tories are in power, it must be private!
This railway was making money for the taxpayer instead of for Tory cronies and donors!
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_HHCWdWwAEIxEH.png
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_HHCWdWwAEIxEH.png
Re: If the Tories are in power, it must be private!
It's shocking the way they're selling off everything - at this stage, when it seems possible they won't get back into government it looks just like looting to be honest - just hope the next government can put things right
boatlady- Former Moderator
- Posts : 3832
Join date : 2012-08-24
Location : Norfolk
Re: If the Tories are in power, it must be private!
Why has this government decided to sell its share in Eurostar when the French and Belgian governments are keeping their share?
astradt1- Moderator
- Posts : 966
Join date : 2011-10-08
Age : 69
Location : East Midlands
Re: If the Tories are in power, it must be private!
Tory Party dogma, astradt1, not rocket science or even Economics. If you don't control it, why are you doing it?
oftenwrong- Sage
- Posts : 12062
Join date : 2011-10-08
Re: If the Tories are in power, it must be private!
The Met Office and Ordnance Survey are in the Tories' sights for privatisation - and wait for it, so is the Lake District:-
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/countryside/11454983/The-Lake-District-should-it-be-sold-off-to-the-highest-bidder.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/countryside/11454983/The-Lake-District-should-it-be-sold-off-to-the-highest-bidder.html
Re: If the Tories are in power, it must be private!
LAND!! They're not making it anymore.
oftenwrong- Sage
- Posts : 12062
Join date : 2011-10-08
Re: If the Tories are in power, it must be private!
It'sthe NHS that condernes me.
In very simple terms, the Tories have many Private Health Firms donating them huge sums. This explains everything, does it not?
In very simple terms, the Tories have many Private Health Firms donating them huge sums. This explains everything, does it not?
Mel- Posts : 1703
Join date : 2011-10-08
Re: If the Tories are in power, it must be private!
The situation of the NHS is very worrying - hopefully, the next government will have both the will and the ability to repair the significant damage done by the Tories
boatlady- Former Moderator
- Posts : 3832
Join date : 2012-08-24
Location : Norfolk
Re: If the Tories are in power, it must be private!
boatlady according to the latest figures which must change dramatically, the next government will be a third term of tory shite.
stuart torr- Deceased
- Posts : 3187
Join date : 2013-10-10
Age : 64
Location : Nottingham. England. UK.
Re: If the Tories are in power, it must be private!
We will see Phil.
stuart torr- Deceased
- Posts : 3187
Join date : 2013-10-10
Age : 64
Location : Nottingham. England. UK.
Re: If the Tories are in power, it must be private!
Actually apologies to everybody, it just seems longer, only their second term, another red faced stu again.
stuart torr- Deceased
- Posts : 3187
Join date : 2013-10-10
Age : 64
Location : Nottingham. England. UK.
Re: If the Tories are in power, it must be private!
"The sale of assets is common with individuals and states when they run into financial difficulties. First, all the Georgian silver goes, and then all that nice furniture that used to be in the saloon. Then the Canalettos go." (Harold Macmillan, 8 November 1985)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEYfSljWgAAj9RK.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEYfSljWgAAj9RK.jpg
Re: If the Tories are in power, it must be private!
Well they always say that you sell the family silver first do they not?
stuart torr- Deceased
- Posts : 3187
Join date : 2013-10-10
Age : 64
Location : Nottingham. England. UK.
We can delete it for you wholesale
stuart torr wrote:.... the next government will be a third term of tory shite.
But whiter than white: http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/expenses-and-sex-scandal-deleted-from-mps-wikipedia-pages-by-computers-inside-parliament/ar-BBkf1kn
oftenwrong- Sage
- Posts : 12062
Join date : 2011-10-08
Re: If the Tories are in power, it must be private!
Sounds about right OW, some even had there chauffeur to drive them from home to where they were having a meal to help win the election,then claimed that on expenses.
stuart torr- Deceased
- Posts : 3187
Join date : 2013-10-10
Age : 64
Location : Nottingham. England. UK.
Re: If the Tories are in power, it must be private!
stuart torr wrote:boatlady according to the latest figures which must change dramatically, the next government will be a third term of tory shite.
...and , thereafter..
" Actually apologies to everybody, it just seems longer, only their second term, another red faced stu again. "
An interesting prediction. Heaven forbid that anyone else should have had the temerity to suggest likewise in the light of the overwhelming contrary data...
Phil Hornby- Blogger
- Posts : 4002
Join date : 2011-10-07
Location : Drifting on Easy Street
Re: If the Tories are in power, it must be private!
"Who breaks a butterfly upon a wheel?"
Alexander Pope's "Epistle to Dr Arbuthnot" of January 1735.
(updated by William Rees-Mogg, as editor of The Times newspaper, used the "on a wheel" version of the quotation as the heading (set in capital letters) for an editorial on 1 July 1967 about the "Redlands" court case, which had resulted in prison sentences for Rolling Stones members Keith Richards and Mick Jagger.)
Alexander Pope's "Epistle to Dr Arbuthnot" of January 1735.
(updated by William Rees-Mogg, as editor of The Times newspaper, used the "on a wheel" version of the quotation as the heading (set in capital letters) for an editorial on 1 July 1967 about the "Redlands" court case, which had resulted in prison sentences for Rolling Stones members Keith Richards and Mick Jagger.)
oftenwrong- Sage
- Posts : 12062
Join date : 2011-10-08
Re: If the Tories are in power, it must be private!
I suppose that butterflies which choose to float by will always risk that fate, however pointless it may be...
Phil Hornby- Blogger
- Posts : 4002
Join date : 2011-10-07
Location : Drifting on Easy Street
stuart torr- Deceased
- Posts : 3187
Join date : 2013-10-10
Age : 64
Location : Nottingham. England. UK.
Re: If the Tories are in power, it must be private!
How far does Cameron want to shrink the state? Ask Barnet’s binmen
From an article by Aditya Chakrabortty:-
Councils have been outsourcing for decades, which is why your local traffic warden is usually tramping the streets on behalf of a private firm. But that isn’t enough for Tory-run Barnet – it is on a mission to make itself disappear. It has begun a programme to farm out so many of its services that the local trade union calculates staff will shrink from 3,200 in September 2012 to just 332.
Everything from registering births to mowing the local cemeteries has either already been outsourced or is about to about be. And most of the key tasks have been given to the FTSE giant Capita. Not just for a few months or a couple of years, Capita will run these services for at least 10 years.
An arm of Britain’s local government has in effect agreed to a friendly takeover by a £7bn multinational. Whoever Barnet residents vote for in local elections, they will always get Capita. Whenever they phone or email or visit, they will speak to a Capita employee. The FTSE giant will face no competition for the next decade; nor will it endure the same scrutiny as democratic government, as previously public information is veiled under “commercial sensitivity”.
One man tells me about phoning his local library to see if a children’s book was in stock. The call was routed to a Capita call centre in Coventry, where staff spent ages unable to help before connecting him back to the librarians just down the road. By his calculations, for that wasted call Capita would charge Barnet £8. Outsourcing is full of these invented costs, which is how the privateers make their billions.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/01/cameron-shrink-state-barnet-future-local-services
From an article by Aditya Chakrabortty:-
Councils have been outsourcing for decades, which is why your local traffic warden is usually tramping the streets on behalf of a private firm. But that isn’t enough for Tory-run Barnet – it is on a mission to make itself disappear. It has begun a programme to farm out so many of its services that the local trade union calculates staff will shrink from 3,200 in September 2012 to just 332.
Everything from registering births to mowing the local cemeteries has either already been outsourced or is about to about be. And most of the key tasks have been given to the FTSE giant Capita. Not just for a few months or a couple of years, Capita will run these services for at least 10 years.
An arm of Britain’s local government has in effect agreed to a friendly takeover by a £7bn multinational. Whoever Barnet residents vote for in local elections, they will always get Capita. Whenever they phone or email or visit, they will speak to a Capita employee. The FTSE giant will face no competition for the next decade; nor will it endure the same scrutiny as democratic government, as previously public information is veiled under “commercial sensitivity”.
One man tells me about phoning his local library to see if a children’s book was in stock. The call was routed to a Capita call centre in Coventry, where staff spent ages unable to help before connecting him back to the librarians just down the road. By his calculations, for that wasted call Capita would charge Barnet £8. Outsourcing is full of these invented costs, which is how the privateers make their billions.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/01/cameron-shrink-state-barnet-future-local-services
The person who used to do that is no longer employed here, Sorry!
Ivan wrote:How far does Cameron want to shrink the state? Ask Barnet’s binmen
From an article by Aditya Chakrabortty:-
....Everything [in Barnet] from registering births to mowing the local cemeteries has either already been outsourced or is about to about be. And most of the key tasks have been given to the FTSE giant Capita.... Capita will run these services for at least 10 years....
When British Rail was privatised 20 years ago, the new "management" of South West Trains began by sacking any driver with a history of Trade Union activity. There were many, many subsequent train-cancellations and it was four years before SWT had an adequate staff by training new drivers.
The problem with any kind of out-sourcing is that skills and experience are lost forever within the original organisation. Something likely to come back and bite administrators on the bum when they least welcome it.
oftenwrong- Sage
- Posts : 12062
Join date : 2011-10-08
Re: If the Tories are in power, it must be private!
Flog every mountain,
Sell every stream,
Follow every rainbow,
'Til you privatise your dream.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CG6h_srXAAEhHNh.png
Sell every stream,
Follow every rainbow,
'Til you privatise your dream.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CG6h_srXAAEhHNh.png
Re: If the Tories are in power, it must be private!
Perhaps an appropriate moment to welcome the return to bloggery of one Philip "Judas" Hornby, alleged grand fromage of The 'Don't Vote' Alliance.
https://cuttingedge2.forumotion.co.uk/t44p120-pease-pottage-conservative-club
https://cuttingedge2.forumotion.co.uk/t44p120-pease-pottage-conservative-club
oftenwrong- Sage
- Posts : 12062
Join date : 2011-10-08
Re: If the Tories are in power, it must be private!
Naughty!
But I do join with you in welcoming the return of the Pease Pottage society
boatlady- Former Moderator
- Posts : 3832
Join date : 2012-08-24
Location : Norfolk
Re: If the Tories are in power, it must be private!
Public assets are being transferred to the Tories' friends hand over fist - the robbing of British people on a breathtaking scale........
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKXEb_dUMAAiBCI.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKXEb_dUMAAiBCI.jpg
Re: If the Tories are in power, it must be private!
But we know they can be trusted with the Economy - that's why they were elected.
Wasn't it?
Wasn't it?
oftenwrong- Sage
- Posts : 12062
Join date : 2011-10-08
Re: If the Tories are in power, it must be private!
"Everything is better in private hands" is a well-worn mantra of the Tories. Better for them maybe, but not for the rest of us.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYjaegZW8AEHw1j.png
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYjaegZW8AEHw1j.png
Re: If the Tories are in power, it must be private!
Tories accused of shortchanging public as £26bn privatisation haul revealed
The government has been accused of shortchanging the taxpayer by “selling the family silver at a record pace” after new analysis showed a record £26.4bn raised last year through privatisation.
A final 30% state holding in Royal Mail, 11bn shares in Lloyds Bank and a stake in Eurostar were among the assets sold by ministers in a bid to pay down debt and balance the books.
The TUC general secretary, Frances O’Grady, said the privatisations were all about politics and nothing to do with economic security. “Eurostar and Royal Mail were both sold for well under value,” she said. “Flogging them off for short-term political gain is shortchanging taxpayers.”
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jan/27/tories-accused-shortchanging-public-record-26bn-privatisation-state-assets-press-association-data
The government has been accused of shortchanging the taxpayer by “selling the family silver at a record pace” after new analysis showed a record £26.4bn raised last year through privatisation.
A final 30% state holding in Royal Mail, 11bn shares in Lloyds Bank and a stake in Eurostar were among the assets sold by ministers in a bid to pay down debt and balance the books.
The TUC general secretary, Frances O’Grady, said the privatisations were all about politics and nothing to do with economic security. “Eurostar and Royal Mail were both sold for well under value,” she said. “Flogging them off for short-term political gain is shortchanging taxpayers.”
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jan/27/tories-accused-shortchanging-public-record-26bn-privatisation-state-assets-press-association-data
Re: If the Tories are in power, it must be private!
http://www.twinfm.com/article.php?artid=2745
Welsh taxpayers "lose tens of millions" from land sales.
Welsh taxpayers "lose tens of millions" from land sales.
oftenwrong- Sage
- Posts : 12062
Join date : 2011-10-08
Re: If the Tories are in power, it must be private!
Gideon Osborne has called off the proposed sale back to the public of the shares in Lloyds Bank plc which the public had acquired in 2008, due to high volatility of the Stock Market just now.
Something which everyone with "savings" earning 0.1% interest will understand perfectly.
Something which everyone with "savings" earning 0.1% interest will understand perfectly.
oftenwrong- Sage
- Posts : 12062
Join date : 2011-10-08
Re: If the Tories are in power, it must be private!
"Sheffield Forgemasters" are in the news again:
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/news/industry-titans-offer-%c2%a330m-forgemasters-aid/ar-BBoQIVM?li=BBoPMmp
But thankfully we can trust the Tories with the British Economy.
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/news/industry-titans-offer-%c2%a330m-forgemasters-aid/ar-BBoQIVM?li=BBoPMmp
But thankfully we can trust the Tories with the British Economy.
oftenwrong- Sage
- Posts : 12062
Join date : 2011-10-08
Page 9 of 9 • 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9
Similar topics
» Is Theresa May the new Machiavelli?
» The gradual destruction and right-wing bias of the BBC
» If the Tories are so great in government, how come they lost the 1997 election and failed to win in 2010?
» Iain Duncan Smith
» Is the United Kingdom doomed?
» The gradual destruction and right-wing bias of the BBC
» If the Tories are so great in government, how come they lost the 1997 election and failed to win in 2010?
» Iain Duncan Smith
» Is the United Kingdom doomed?
:: The Heavy Stuff :: UK Economics
Page 9 of 9
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum