Are Cameron and Osborne's days numbered?

by **astradt1** Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:59 pm

First topic message reminder :

We seem to have had a thread about Milliband and time running out for his leadership but now there seem to be more and more knives coming out for Vatman and Dobbing, I'll let you decide who is who?

It now seems more and more of their own side (Tory MP's) are openly speaking out against them........

Latest...

Nadine Dorries: David Cameron And George Osborne Are 'Arrogant Posh Boys'

David Cameron and George Osborne are "arrogant posh boys" who do not understand the lives of ordinary people, according to Tory MP Nadine Dorries.

Speaking on the BBC's Daily Politics programme on Monday, the MP for Mid-Bedfordshire was asked if she thought the prime minister and chancellor were out of touch with voters.

"Unfortunately I think that not are only Cameron and Osborne two posh boys who don't understand the price of milk," she said. "They are too arrogant posh boys who show no remorse, no contrition and no passion to want to understand the lives of others - and that is their real crime."
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/04/23/nadine-dorries-david-cameron-posh-boys_n_1445068.html?ref=uk-politics&ref=uk

by trevorw2539 Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:39 pm

astradt1 wrote:What the hell as a politician who died 14 years ago got to do with whether Gove is after Dave's job or if Days as Tory leader in general are numbered.......

It seems that when a thread starts to get a little too close to the truth some prat has to make a comment which is likely to get it locked..........

My apologies. This prat commented on a certain person that he believes was a much maligned character. I should have realised the very name is synonymous with the devil incarnate in these politically correct days, conjuring up evil thoughts that should not be mentioned.
If you have had a thread removed about the aforesaid person I missed it. I realise Moderators have to be careful. So be it.

Must make my July resolution to be politically correct. Still my resolutions usually last about a day, so not to worry. Smile

Cameron and Clegg will hang on as long as it takes. It's the Lib/dem MP's that MIGHT cause any split but can you see them wanting to lose their 'jobs'.

by Mel Sat Jun 23, 2012 11:16 pm

Not your fault Trevor, you made an error just as we all do at times, as you simply forgot the headed subject of this thread.
However it just gave a platform for the the little nasties to come out of their hole and suddenly appear here with their snide little remarks.
Of course astradt1 is correct when he says "It seems that when a thread starts to get a little too close to the truth some prat has to make a comment which is likely to get it locked".
I really do not think he was referring to you Trevor when he used the word "prat"

by oftenwrong Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:47 am

Still not quite "back on track", but to get a little closer to the nitty-gritty, it's unlikely that Clegg will precipitate a crisis that would sink Cameron and Osborne, because they are all quite literally in the same boat.

So it's a bit surprising that a proposed return to GCE 0-levels should cause so much drama. Surely by now Nick must have become impervious to little pricks.

by trevorw2539 Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:51 am

Mel quote. I really do not think he was referring to you Trevor when he used the word "prat"

No worries. Down the years I've been a religious, bigotted, racist, homophobic, fatherless son of the larger simian group of apes. Or so I've been told at various times. And that's the milder descriptions. Laughing

by trevorw2539 Sun Jun 24, 2012 12:38 pm

oftenwrong wrote:Still not quite "back on track", but to get a little closer to the nitty-gritty, it's unlikely that Clegg will precipitate a crisis that would sink Cameron and Osborne, because they are all quite literally in the same boat.

So it's a bit surprising that a proposed return to GCE 0-levels should cause so much drama. Surely by now Nick must have become impervious to little pricks.

Agreed about Clegg not precipitating a crisis.
Not sure how to read the last sentence - 'surely by now...... '. Is that a reference to needles or to his co-partners? Embarassed

by oftenwrong Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:36 pm

Alright, what's your description for the Secretary of State for Education? Professor?

by trevorw2539 Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:45 pm

oftenwrong wrote:Alright, what's your description for the Secretary of State for Education? Professor?

??????? Is that a reply to my post.

by Mel Mon Jun 25, 2012 7:54 am

Ahhhhhhh!!!!!! Govey boy.

by **Ivan** Mon Jun 25, 2012 8:37 am

I'm waiting for the self righteous to start calling individuals a racist, naturally based on their limited knowledge and personal experiences of course. I wonder where the Enoch Powell thread went?

tlttf. Off topic, and once again you're skating on very thin ice.

Anyone who makes a speech saying that "rivers of blood" will result because, unlike other immigrants into the UK in the last two thousand years some of the more recent ones don't have a white skin, is a racist, full stop.

You know exactly what happened to your thread singing the praises of the racist Powell. It was locked and an explanation was given, along with 48 hours' notice of deletion. This is a centre-left forum on which right-wingers may comment but are not allowed to promote racism, fascism or homophobia. If you want to do any of those things, why not go to the BNP website?

by oftenwrong Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:47 am

Television programmes are reviewed for The Sunday Times by A A Gill.

One of Adrian's comments this week may be appropriate to readers of threads such as this one:

"The trouble with the left, and I include myself here, is that in all disciplines it has an awful insecurity, a need for mutual boosting. Lefties only want to be exposed to things that confirm their politics. To even look at The Daily Mail is to condone global warming, forced repatriation and breast implants; we should only view the websites and blogs of fellow-travellers.

This means the left's conversation is a selection of mutually agreed received opinions that become ever narrower, and the subjects .... become more and more repetitive."

Anyone else on Cutting Edge recognise themselves in that description? Embarassed

by Redflag Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:55 am

oftenwrong wrote:Alright, what's your description for the Secretary of State for Education? Professor?

There is so many different descriptions of the S.O.S. E. just for you OW here is a couple of mine.

1) Nothing but a big Turd.

2) A D.H. that still thinks we are living in Charles Dickens time.

by Mel Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:16 am

"This means the left's conversation is a selection of mutually agreed received opinions that become ever narrower, and the subjects .... become more and more repetitive."

This is true OW. Nothing to be ashamed of when Tory policy is changed, implemented, thrust at us at breakneck speed without care or consideration for the masses and especially the poor. At least the lefties agree and speak to eachother, whereas the Tory brigade can only talk AT people rather than listen to them, with distortions of the truth to suit their own ends.
Every day this bunch of hypocritical self serving tyrants who are in so called government offer the "lefties" plenty to complain about, hence the subject of conversation becomes rather repetative, because they are all about one thing, the cruel nature of the Tories.

Let the repetition continue wherby hopefully non members will read these threads and wake up to what is happening to them and this country under prolific Tory ideology.

by Stox 16 Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:28 pm

Ivan wrote:
I'm waiting for the self righteous to start calling individuals a racist, naturally based on their limited knowledge and personal experiences of course. I wonder where the Enoch Powell thread went?
tlttf. Off topic, and once again you're skating on very thin ice.

Anyone who makes a speech saying that "rivers of blood" will result because, unlike other immigrants into the UK in the last two thousand years some of the more recent ones don't have a white skin, is a racist, full stop.

You know exactly what happened to your thread singing the praises of the racist Powell. It was locked and an explanation was given, along with 48 hours' notice of deletion. This is a centre-left forum on which right-wingers may comment but are not allowed to promote racism, fascism or homophobia. If you want to do any of those things, why not go to the BNP website?

The so called ]rivers of blood speech must go down as just about the most stupid speech in History in my book.

by tlttf Mon Jun 25, 2012 4:54 pm

Ivan wrote:
I'm waiting for the self righteous to start calling individuals a racist, naturally based on their limited knowledge and personal experiences of course. I wonder where the Enoch Powell thread went?
tlttf. Off topic, and once again you're skating on very thin ice.

Anyone who makes a speech saying that "rivers of blood" will result because, unlike other immigrants into the UK in the last two thousand years some of the more recent ones don't have a white skin, is a racist, full stop.

You know exactly what happened to your thread singing the praises of the racist Powell. It was locked and an explanation was given, along with 48 hours' notice of deletion. This is a centre-left forum on which right-wingers may comment but are not allowed to promote racism, fascism or homophobia. If you want to do any of those things, why not go to the BNP website?

Ivan when you invited me to join this forum there was never a question about it being centre-left (why invite me), I have (for the record) never made a racist statement nor promoted racism, I do believe in free and open speech whatever your politics and if you judge Powell based on part of one speech and not his full history then what was said can be interpreted and twisted to suit your own ideals, that's fine if it suits you to hold a blinkered vision of history.

Imagine if in the future history only shows Gordon Brown as saying "British jobs for British workers" without showing anything else regarding his beliefs and politics, would that then make future generations regard him as a "little englander and racist". Come on Ivan get over yourself. I wouldn't use a BNP website as there is nothing there that appeals to my politics which you knew to be centre right prior to inviting me. If you have no wish to read my point of view then simply ask me to leave, otherwise read on, comment, disagree or make a joke about it, just stop justifying your point of view by maligning mine and then threatening me with some uber power. You can at least see why I disagree with socialism as your view of equality only exists for the masses and as the Daleks would say Exterminate the rest of us. Hope your keeping well?

by **Ivan** Mon Jun 25, 2012 7:41 pm

A A Gill. "The trouble with the left, and I include myself here, is that in all disciplines it has an awful insecurity, a need for mutual boosting. Lefties only want to be exposed to things that confirm their politics. To even look at The Daily Mail is to condone global warming, forced repatriation and breast implants; we should only view the websites and blogs of fellow-travellers. This means the left's conversation is a selection of mutually agreed received opinions that become ever narrower, and the subjects .... become more and more repetitive."

Anyone else on Cutting Edge recognise themselves in that description?

LOL, OW. My answer is no. Shocked

A.A.Gill may call himself a man of the left, but as he works for Murdoch and one of his best friends is Jeremy Clarkson, I’d take that remark with a pinch of salt. Maybe next week he’ll tell us that if you look at ‘The Guardian’ it makes you a Marxist-Leninist, or how when I tried to post a fairly innocuous message at ‘Conservative Home’ it was deleted instantly.

Jon Trickett’s recent paper for ‘Compass’ shows that the Tories are in long-term decline and can only get power like they have now when the left is fragmented. The membership of the Conservative Party reflects most closely a social group and a set of values which are in rapid decline in Britain. Trickett writes: “the Conservatives seek to rule a country where about two thirds of the voters are opposed to their values and policies. In order to win under first past the post the Conservatives and their allies must – in effect – ‘balkanise’ the anti-Tory vote, by dividing their enemies into different political camps. If the majority of people who are not Tory share out their votes between different political parties then they can win a majority of seats.”
http://clients.squareeye.net/uploads/compass/documents/COM1671_Tories%20report_WEB%20Final.pdf

Instead of arguing with Tories when they repeat their same old lies about every Labour government leaving a financial mess and public sector workers having a high old time at the taxpayers’ expense etc, I’d rather discuss how the left can unite and keep the evil Tories out of power for ever. There are plenty of differences on the left which can provoke discussion – social democrats v socialists, localism, the role of the state, even Trotsky v Stalin. Should some benefits be universal (such as child benefits and the pensioner ‘perks’), with the cost recouped from taxing the rich, or should they be means-tested, with all that extra bureaucracy and risk of fraud? I'd like this forum to be a light version of 'Compass', where people on the left and centre-left discuss ideas for the future of this country. All the Tories want to do is to take us back in time.

by blueturando Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:35 am

IVAN...
I would like to ask you what has changed in you in the last month or so? Prior to this time you were always curtious and I felt welcome on Cutting edge, even though my politics differ from the majority on here. It seems that lately you want to silence myself and tlttf at every opportunity and now in your most recent posts you are saying that you want the forum to be open only to those on the centre left....I am confused and more than a little disappointed.

Part of my experience on Cutting edge is to hear the views of people with different political views to my own and on occasions posters like Sickchip and Bobby have changed my mind on certain issues. I always like to hear both sides to the argument and I am sure many other posters do also, even if it's just to reafirm their original viewpoint.
Are you seeking to stop all other views other than that of your own, or people who agree with you?
I do not want to stay somewhere I am not welcome, or I'm not given the right to express my point in line with everyone else....but I do not want to leave either. Please can you clear up my confusion...thank you

by Mel Tue Jun 26, 2012 8:36 am

"Are you seeking to stop all other views other than that of your own, or people who agree with you?"

I think you have got that all wrong blue. Ivan expects EVERYONE to abide by the rules of the forum, therefore if the rules are being bent or broken he is going to address the issue.
I get the feeling you are promted to make your above comment in view of tlttf's (your mate) post at 4:54 here yesterday. Which is a different issue to your's.

You must remember that Ivan has to adhere to the rules laid down by Forumotion and could end up being sued for comments made by others here.
In your case I feel you are taking his politically robust replies to your Tory views to heart, especially when you (as) we all do at times talk out of your arse. With respect that is blue.

by Redflag Tue Jun 26, 2012 8:51 am

Mel wrote:"Are you seeking to stop all other views other than that of your own, or people who agree with you?"

I think you have got that all wrong blue. Ivan expects EVERYONE to abide by the rules of the forum, therefore if the rules are being bent or broken he is going to address the issue.
I get the feeling you are promted to make your above comment in view of tlttf's (your mate) post at 4:54 here yesterday. Which is a different issue to your's.

You must remember that Ivan has to adhere to the rules laid down by Forumotion and could end up being sued for comments made by others here.
In your case I feel you are taking his politically robust replies to your Tory views to heart, especially when you (as) we all do at times talk out of your arse. With respect that is blue.

From what I have read on this forum and others, most of the right wingers do talk out of there arse, on occasions blue is not that bad Mel and can be very just, but the best place to see right wingers talking out there arse is the Tory front benches in the H.O.C. and yes Im bias but that is only because I prefer to hear good common sense.

by blueturando Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:10 pm

You must remember that Ivan has to adhere to the rules laid down by Forumotion and could end up being sued for comments made by others here.
In your case I feel you are taking his politically robust replies to your Tory views to heart, especially when you (as) we all do at times talk out of your arse. With respect that is blue.

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Lol.....thanks Mel and you're probably right, sometimes I do get it wrong...and this is where opinions like yours and others helps me to see things in a different way

I have sorted it all out with Ivan, so no need to dwell on this....just carry on as before Smile

by Mel Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:51 pm

" have sorted it all out with Ivan, so no need to dwell on this....just carry on as before"

Fair enough blue, you might have sorted it out first, before bellowing it out on thread, with respect.
Good news though cheers

by **Ivan** Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:12 pm

For the record, I sent blue an apology for my recent excesses, and he sent me a most touching and gracious acceptance. I shall also be posting a public reply to both him and tlttf shortly.
sunny

by **Ivan** Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:38 pm

tlttf and blueturando. Thanks for your civil messages. You are both entitled to an explanation and an apology.

When MSN closed down with only two days’ notice, I invited everyone I could – even old brownboots1 - to come to Cutting Edge so that they could continue to post together. I’m grateful to all those who came, including both of you, and who helped to make the forum viable.

However, I can’t escape the fact that I went on MSN to support left-wing ideas, and it's hardly surprising if those will be the ethos of any forum I spend many hours administering. This has been advertised as a “left-inclined international forum” for quite some time, and you’re both well aware that it is run and populated mainly by left-wingers. I’m sorry if I didn’t indicate my intentions from the beginning, and I’m sorry if I haven’t always made you feel welcome here. However, I was peeved by what I saw as tlttf’s constant goading of one of the moderators.

Having recently read ‘The Shock Doctrine’, and seeing the intentions of this government to privatise everything (even police dog handlers now) in effect laid out in a book written five years ago, I accept that I’ve become increasingly frustrated and bitter with Tory ideas. Cameron and his cronies seem hell-bent on turning the clock back, maybe as far as the eighteenth century if they can get away with it.

I didn’t think much of Gordon Brown’s “British jobs for British workers” remark, and I don’t much like him as a person, but he was a thousand times better than Cameron and our best PM since Harold Wilson - in my opinion. As to Enoch Powell, if he’d been alive today and made that speech he would rightly be locked up. It was considered bad enough in 1968 for the Tories to kick him off their front bench, and it stirred up the Alf Garnetts and probably swung the 1970 election for the Tories. Powell was a racist because he highlighted coloured immigration, he wasn’t concerned about white immigrants from Southern Africa. And I’m afraid there is no place on a forum like this for singing the praises of a racist, whatever else he may have believed in. We would certainly lose members if we allowed that.

I would like the political side of this forum to be a light version of ‘Compass’, but I've never said that the forum is only open to those on the left. You’re both welcome to post here, as are any other Tories, as long as you play by the rules. And the rules are applied to everyone. I’m always annoying people by moving or amalgamating threads, and I know I’m extra cautious about copyright infringement, but so would any administrator be who wants the roof to stay over his or her head rather than be spent on defending legal action.

I don’t want anyone to leave this forum and apologise most sincerely if that’s the impression I’ve created recently.

by Adele Carlyon Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:43 pm

Aw! You're just a big softy Ivan! I think it's great that we have Tories on here, it's nice to think that sometimes we can find some common ground. It'd be even nicer to think that they started to to see through some of the right wing bullshit that's being pedalled around too. And maybe, just maybe the day after hell freezes over, I might even be able to agree with some of the tories right wing views! lol Then again.... Evil or Very Mad

by Mel Tue Jun 26, 2012 6:03 pm

Big man, big heart, gracious and inoffensive is IVAN.

Makes the likes of Cameron and some others look so very small indeed.

by Mel Tue Jun 26, 2012 6:05 pm

Adele "I might even be able to agree with some of the tories right wing views!" lol Adele Very Happy

by oftenwrong Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:49 pm

"I didn’t think much of Gordon Brown’s “British jobs for British workers” remark, and I don’t much like him as a person, but he was a thousand times better than Cameron and our best PM since Harold Wilson - in my opinion. As to Enoch Powell, if he’d been alive today and made that speech he would rightly be locked up. It was considered bad enough in 1968 for the Tories to kick him off their front bench, and it stirred up the Alf Garnetts and probably swung the 1970 election for the Tories. Powell was a racist because he highlighted coloured immigration, he wasn’t concerned about white immigrants from Southern Africa. And I’m afraid there is no place on a forum like this for singing the praises of a racist, whatever else he may have believed in. We would certainly lose members if we allowed that."

Well, it's certainly going to make schoolchildren's lives easier when they take a History exam, if we've airbrushed out all the people we don't approve of.

by betty.noire Tue Jun 26, 2012 9:40 pm

Old Gordie was the worst Scot to be inflicted on the English since Earl Haig

by astra Tue Jun 26, 2012 9:55 pm

AND the worst Scot to be inflicted on the Scots since James VI

by Mel Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:30 am

Brown has been ill judged IMO. If the Tory press/media/propaganda machine had not unjustifiably torn him apart and he had remained as our PM and with Darling's expertise, we wouldn't be in the mess we are experiencing now.
Cameron and Osborne's day's should be numbered, however Clegg is the glue holding the tyrants together purely for his own personal ego.

by Adele Carlyon Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:54 am

I agree Mel! The poor man was much maligned!

by Redflag Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:00 am

Mel wrote:Brown has been ill judged IMO. If the Tory press/media/propaganda machine had not unjustifiably torn him apart and he had remained as our PM and with Darling's expertise, we wouldn't be in the mess we are experiencing now.
Cameron and Osborne's day's should be numbered, however Clegg is the glue holding the tyrants together purely for his own personal ego.

I agree with your post Mel, according to the right wing press Gordon Brown and Darling where the Devil incarnate, but we all know if it had not been for Brown and Darling the UK would have went to hell in a bucket in the crash of 2008 something else the right wing press have torn them apart for.

Can you remember the five days it took to create the coalition when Gleggy used Gordon Brown as a lever to get more out of the Tories, Clegg said he would not go into coalition if Brown was PM so he resigned and yet Clegg still joined the Tories and this is something I will NEVER FORGIVE Cleggy for and Im waiting to see Cleggy get his just deserts and i hope its the Tories do it.

by betty.noire Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:47 am

Man was jinxed, foot and mouth, flooding, global economic meltdown.

The only saving grace was the plague of frogs managed to eat the plague of locusts Laughing

by **astradt1** Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:12 pm

Lets get back to the title topic......
Given that there has been yet another U-turn on taxation and Gideon didn't have the courage to face Paxman, but allowed a junior minister to face the questions
That Cameron was heckled by a volunteer at his unplanned/announced visit to a Olympic Uniform distribution centre...
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/06/26/david-cameron-heckled-olympics-speech_n_1627870.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

Are the days of Cameron getting even shorter........

by Redflag Wed Jun 27, 2012 1:01 pm

astradt1 wrote:Lets get back to the title topic......
Given that there has been yet another U-turn on taxation and Gideon didn't have the courage to face Paxman, but allowed a junior minister to face the questions
That Cameron was heckled by a volunteer at his unplanned/announced visit to a Olympic Uniform distribution centre...
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/06/26/david-cameron-heckled-olympics-speech_n_1627870.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

Are the days of Cameron getting even shorter........

Astrad1 "I BLOODY HOPE SO" the shorter the better I would like it, good post astrad1.

by **Ivan** Wed Jun 27, 2012 1:42 pm

Gideon didn't have the courage to face Paxman

No, he sent Chloe Smith for a mauling from Paxman, apparently while he was wining and dining some Eton cronies in Downing Street:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bddWaHuxTzc

by bobby Wed Jun 27, 2012 2:34 pm

Mr Cameron said it was "staggering" that 250,000 people had tried to become a volunteer.

What would be really staggering is if he never made so many unemployed, there would still be 250,000 people able to Volunteer.

The more he makes unemployed the more to serve in his Big Society, Win - Win for the Tory scroat..

by Mel Wed Jun 27, 2012 2:50 pm

Ivan "No, he sent Chloe Smith for a mauling from Paxman"

My God, I almost felt sorry for the poor girl. Paxman tore her to shreds and how silly she looked trying to be evasive with her answers?

by Mel Wed Jun 27, 2012 2:51 pm

Good to see you bobby. cheers

by bobby Wed Jun 27, 2012 2:59 pm

Thank you Mel my Friend. Only back for a few days, I am assisting Herr Cameron's unemployement figures and have to recruit for a couple of vacancies. I will be going back early next week. I hope the problems I was having with my internet connection have been put right when I return.

by Stox 16 Thu Jun 28, 2012 5:08 am

Mel wrote:Brown has been ill judged IMO. If the Tory press/media/propaganda machine had not unjustifiably torn him apart and he had remained as our PM and with Darling's expertise, we wouldn't be in the mess we are experiencing now.
Cameron and Osborne's day's should be numbered, however Clegg is the glue holding the tyrants together purely for his own personal ego.

100% AGREE with you Mel. but we can now all see how good there replacement are in Cameron and Gideon. I think the UK owes Darling a great deal after what he did in 2008, it was a economic master stroke in my view and what's more he left office with us still enjoying GDP Growth.

by tlttf Thu Jun 28, 2012 7:00 am

What beautiful glasses you all wear. Luckily for all of us that Darling took over as chancellor and managed to stop further collapses that Brown set in place. Was the GDP growth (based on banking profits) down to Barclays and other mainstay banks corrupting the interest rates (fraud) and as your an economic wizzer Stox why didn't you and others realise it was happening?

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