Are Cameron and Osborne's days numbered?

by **astradt1** Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:59 pm

First topic message reminder :

We seem to have had a thread about Milliband and time running out for his leadership but now there seem to be more and more knives coming out for Vatman and Dobbing, I'll let you decide who is who?

It now seems more and more of their own side (Tory MP's) are openly speaking out against them........

Latest...

Nadine Dorries: David Cameron And George Osborne Are 'Arrogant Posh Boys'

David Cameron and George Osborne are "arrogant posh boys" who do not understand the lives of ordinary people, according to Tory MP Nadine Dorries.

Speaking on the BBC's Daily Politics programme on Monday, the MP for Mid-Bedfordshire was asked if she thought the prime minister and chancellor were out of touch with voters.

"Unfortunately I think that not are only Cameron and Osborne two posh boys who don't understand the price of milk," she said. "They are too arrogant posh boys who show no remorse, no contrition and no passion to want to understand the lives of others - and that is their real crime."
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/04/23/nadine-dorries-david-cameron-posh-boys_n_1445068.html?ref=uk-politics&ref=uk

by oftenwrong Thu Sep 06, 2012 12:17 pm

astradt1 wrote:Just think, with all those Tory MP's to pick from, Dave had to go and create yet another new Lord for his cabinet..........

a valid point, astradt, but the greater pity is that retiring senior civil servants automatically appear on the Honours List - for doing the job they were (well-) paid to do.

Incidentally, would YOU have enjoyed picking members of a Tory Cabinet? The mere idea makes me feel nauseous.

by **astradt1** Thu Sep 06, 2012 1:30 pm

It's has been claimed that A Lansley was promoted to the imortant job of Leader of the House.......

Job Description:-

The Leader of the House of Commons is a government minister who's main role is organising government business in the Commons. The Leader of the House does this by working closely with the government's Chief Whip.

So Lansley has been appointed to the job of office manager.............

Why have some of those who have lost their posts (Sacked) been awarded Knighthoods? I could have understood it if they had resigned or retired but not for having been Sacked..........

by Redflag Thu Sep 06, 2012 4:13 pm

oftenwrong wrote:

Mr.Speaker, I would like to make it absolutely clear that just because I described the Honourable Leader of the Opposition as "not very butch", that doesn't mean I couldn't fancy him.

Cleggy will not like that OW, after two years of marriage he is cheating on him, I wonder what Samantha thinks that he hubby is a BUTT BOY. lol!

by witchfinder Fri Sep 07, 2012 8:45 pm

As we all know, there are many cracks in the coalition, but for some reason the unholy alliance is somehow managing to hold together.

There seems to be a growing number of leading Tories and Lib Dems who are not afraid to hand out stinging criticism, only this week one Tory MP claimed that the reshuffle is part and parcel of the end game, refering to the hard-line tories who now have prominent roles in government and who wont put up with Lib Dem critics or "soft lefties".

So why exactly is the coalition hanging together in such a frosty atmosphere

Could it have something to do with poll ratings and fear of what would happen to the Lib Dems if there were to be an election tomorrow, or the realisation that the Tories would be out of government.

Hanging on like grim death ?

by Mel Sat Sep 08, 2012 9:51 am

I fear they will be hanging in there until 2015, because Glegg will continue to lick Cameron's ar5e and their mob of ar5e licking MP's will not say a word against either of them for fear of the sack or demotion.

As I have said many times, the Tories are not here to rebuild the country with growth, their only aim is to implement Tory ideology to the nth degree as never been seen before, even under the Witches watch.
Cameron realised from the word go he had a choice, put all efforts into getting the country back on it's feet in the knowledge that that would not be totally achievable within the FIXED 5yr term of office, with the result being the great possibility of losing the next election. The alternative is what we are enduring now, his decision to put all efforts into reversing all Labour policies and creating wealth from hammering the lower and middle classes, simply to enhance the wealth of the few (his kind). In doing so, making reversal of these measures pretty impossible by an incoming Labour government.

All achieved upon the lie that they have to clear "the mess Labour left them with" which we hear daily from the mouths of parrot fashion Tories and Lib Dems. Con men and women the lot of them.

Sure without doubt they will be out next time, the know it and knew it from the beginning.

by bobby Sat Sep 08, 2012 10:42 am

Hello Mel. Personally, I will hold judgement as to how long the Coalition has left. We are entering the Conference season, and a lot can happen at political conferences (it doesn't allways but it can).

The thing is we are hearing loads from the Coalition front benches, as they are the ones that are regularly interviewed, but Party Conferences is the time we hear from the rank anf file. All political leaders are only there because they enjoy the support of their party and conference is the time we hear and see just how much support that is.

The Tories will I guess openly support Herr Cameron, but we will need to see if the back benchers have the guts to say what’s on their minds and stab the git in the back, as opposed to what’s best for there own selves.

As for the Lib-Dems, they have been showing signs of Fracture for quite a while now, but remains to be seen if the arsehole Clegg can keep them on his Tory course. They must know (unless they are totally stupid) their time as a credible political party are numbered, and if they don’t regain some of the credibility they once had soon, they will have nowhere to go, and all the hard work of the past will have been for nothing more than to help force Tory Ideology through Government to the detriment of us the UK population.

So as I say I will be looking at the reaction of party rank and file with great interest.

It has taken two and a half years for them to loose the respect they once enjoyed, and I personally don’t think the remaining two and a half years is enough for them to redeem themselves, but the sooner they stuff the Tories and the harder they stuff the Tories will determine as to if theit party will survive.

The Tories will survive as they will simply turn their tame media dogs against the poor hapless Lib-Dems, saying its the fault of the Coalition agreement we inherited that made us do it, it was them not us. And all the dye in the wool Tories like our friends on Cutting Edge will continue to support them. This shows itself by the way they are still self confessed Tories and have not deserted them as most decent people have and will, it is with this blind support and the rich and titled that their position as a Political Party is assured, the only thing is, How long can we keep the bastards out of office.

I watched PMQ’s on Wednesday and was very heartened to see Ed Miliband give Herr Cameron yet another good drubbing. Herr Cameron went so red he could have been used as a landing beacon at Heathrow Airport, or perhaps their saving that for the new runway, whenever they sort that fiasco out, but as it doesn't involve cuts, I guess they are in no hurry.

by Redflag Sat Sep 08, 2012 11:22 am

Mel wrote:Hello bobby and Red,
What do they care about the booing? They are pretty sure the tyrants have another two + years to do the damage UNOPPSED so far mores the pity.

Can you just image the headlines in every rag if Brown had been booed? it would have gone on for weeks and never forgotten.

That cheeky thick skinned little rat Gideon has more or less said that all Chancellors are disliked. He will say anything to hide his shame. Perhaps shame is the wrong word for these Tories because thay have none whatsoever and plough on regardless.

I see Cameron is now trying to apease the public doing a Clegg trick ("hit the rich") by ridding himself of the unpopular Lansley (now that his cruel measures have been implemented) Warsi next with that UNT prat following with poor old Ken, the only one with any sense, for a Tory at least.
I hope they all come back to bite crafty Dave's ass.

Osborne needs to be told that he is useless and inexperienced, instead of treating him as an old Bullinton ass licker.

Hi Mel but just the same they have thought for ages that the L/Ds have being taking the flack for the Tory cuts and where more than happy at that, but now that the UK has woken up to the Tories they have started to retaliate against the Tories, the full picture will be clear after the By-Election in Corby next month so by my thinking both L/Ds and Tories should loose there deposit.

by LWS Sat Sep 08, 2012 11:27 pm

Redflag wrote:
Mel wrote:Hello bobby and Red,
What do they care about the booing? They are pretty sure the tyrants have another two + years to do the damage UNOPPSED so far mores the pity.

Can you just image the headlines in every rag if Brown had been booed? it would have gone on for weeks and never forgotten.

That cheeky thick skinned little rat Gideon has more or less said that all Chancellors are disliked. He will say anything to hide his shame. Perhaps shame is the wrong word for these Tories because thay have none whatsoever and plough on regardless.

I see Cameron is now trying to apease the public doing a Clegg trick ("hit the rich") by ridding himself of the unpopular Lansley (now that his cruel measures have been implemented) Warsi next with that UNT prat following with poor old Ken, the only one with any sense, for a Tory at least.
I hope they all come back to bite crafty Dave's ass.

Osborne needs to be told that he is useless and inexperienced, instead of treating him as an old Bullinton ass licker.

Hi Mel but just the same they have thought for ages that the L/Ds have being taking the flack for the Tory cuts and where more than happy at that, but now that the UK has woken up to the Tories they have started to retaliate against the Tories, the full picture will be clear after the By-Election in Corby next month so by my thinking both L/Ds and Tories should loose there deposit.

We should certainly hope that both failed parties lose their deposits, for they deserve such a reward Red!

Retaliation will be so sweet.

by Redflag Sun Sep 09, 2012 10:03 am

LWS wrote:
Redflag wrote:
Mel wrote:Hello bobby and Red,
What do they care about the booing? They are pretty sure the tyrants have another two + years to do the damage UNOPPSED so far mores the pity.

Can you just image the headlines in every rag if Brown had been booed? it would have gone on for weeks and never forgotten.

That cheeky thick skinned little rat Gideon has more or less said that all Chancellors are disliked. He will say anything to hide his shame. Perhaps shame is the wrong word for these Tories because thay have none whatsoever and plough on regardless.

I see Cameron is now trying to apease the public doing a Clegg trick ("hit the rich") by ridding himself of the unpopular Lansley (now that his cruel measures have been implemented) Warsi next with that UNT prat following with poor old Ken, the only one with any sense, for a Tory at least.
I hope they all come back to bite crafty Dave's ass.

Osborne needs to be told that he is useless and inexperienced, instead of treating him as an old Bullinton ass licker.

Thanks LWS I have heard that the L/Ds activists are not happy bunnies at all, so it will be interesting to see what happens at there conference I do not know how much power they hold within the L/D party I wonder if they can raise a vote of "NO CONFIDENCE" in Cleggy ?.

Hi Mel but just the same they have thought for ages that the L/Ds have being taking the flack for the Tory cuts and where more than happy at that, but now that the UK has woken up to the Tories they have started to retaliate against the Tories, the full picture will be clear after the By-Election in Corby next month so by my thinking both L/Ds and Tories should loose there deposit.

We should certainly hope that both failed parties lose their deposits, for they deserve such a reward Red!

Retaliation will be so sweet.

by **astradt1** Sun Sep 09, 2012 9:50 pm

Is this a case of the Tory backbenchers smelling dead meat?

A Tory plot to oust David Cameron was revealed on Saturday night when a backbench MP confirmed that he was asked to consider a "stalking horse" leadership challenge against the Prime Minister.

Colonel Bob Stewart said he was approached by two party colleagues before the summer recess with the proposal but that he told them to "get lost" and rejected the idea as "silly".

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/09/08/conservative-backbench-plot-oust-david-cameron_n_1867608.html

Why do MP's, of all parties, seem to think that the electorate would forgive them for stepping down half way through their tenure in office for any reason....... Can a 4,091 (6.9%) majority be defeated?

Goldsmith has vowed to resign as the MP for Richmond in south west London if the Government revives controversial plans for a third runway at Heathrow airport - which is also fiercely opposed by the London Mayor.

The newspaper said that the idea of Johnson fighting the subsequent by-election to secure a return to the Commons and the chance to challenge for the leadership was made in talks to discuss how best to oppose the airport expansion.

Details of the scheming was exposed by the Mail on Sunday which also reported that Tory MP Zac Goldsmith had offered his safe Tory seat to Boris Johnson.

by Mel Mon Sep 10, 2012 8:25 am

"Is this a case of the Tory backbenchers smelling dead meat?"

No doubt about it astradt.

by Redflag Mon Sep 10, 2012 9:09 am

Mel wrote:"Is this a case of the Tory backbenchers smelling dead meat?"

No doubt about it astradt.

More like dead men walking Mel, I think the Corby By-Election should give us a clearer picture of how the country feels about the Tories and L/Ds. cheers

by **Phil Hornby** Mon Sep 10, 2012 9:23 pm

Judging by the public reception given today in London to Boris's post-Olympic/Paralympic speech - as compared to Cameron's just before him - the PM is on his way out. One could taste the mood.

Johnson made the PM look like an amateur as he played the crowd in Mayoral fashion. There is much fun ahead... Very Happy

by bobby Mon Sep 10, 2012 11:31 pm

The fact that a bufoon like Johnson is able to do that to Herr Cameron, just goes to sho the calibre of the PM.

by Redflag Tue Sep 11, 2012 8:16 am

bobby wrote:The fact that a bufoon like Johnson is able to do that to Herr Cameron, just goes to sho the calibre of the PM.

Its the same calibre of the entire Tory party bobby, they have not got a brain cell between them Scam..er..on is on his way out and then we will just get another Dick Head in his place. lol!

by oftenwrong Tue Sep 11, 2012 9:41 am

We're all familiar with the phrase to "read between the lines", which I take to be an invitation to make my own mind up about what I'm reading at the time. However I'm not sure whether there weren't several little hints in Press coverage of the recent (yawn) re-shuffle, nominally the PM's selection of a cabinet, but suggesting that it was actually Gideon making those choices.

Maybe we've been imagining the ventriloquist's dummy as the wrong hand, up a different backside.

by Mel Tue Sep 11, 2012 12:14 pm

I really don't think Gideon is capable of shuffling a pack of cards let alone a cabinet shuffle. Cameron may be giving the press hints in that direction in case problems arise with some of the new apointees, then he can say they were engaged on the nod from the idiot in short trousers Gidy twit.

by **astradt1** Tue Sep 11, 2012 12:24 pm

Liam Fox And David Davis Launch Right-Wing Challenge To David Cameron

The two big beasts of the Tory right, David Davis and Liam Fox, issued a challenge to David Cameron on Tuesday morning when they jointly launched a new group within the party aimed at securing a majority at the next election by promoting "popular, radical conservatism".

While pledging loyalty, the Conservative Voice initiative is likely to be interpreted as a direct criticism of the prime minister, whose brand of liberal conservatism is blamed by many on the Tory right for the party's failure to secure an outright victory in 2010.

Speaking ahead of the launch on Tuesday morning, Davis said the aim was to "encourage seriously ambitious policy development and to help improve the party’s campaigning edge in really practical ways".
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/09/10/liam-fox-david-davis-challenge-david-cameron_n_1870018.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

Another day, another veiled challenge?

by **Phil Hornby** Tue Sep 11, 2012 12:33 pm

The perennial problem for Conservatives is that, whoever they choose as Leader, somehow never, in the event, manages to be quite nasty enough to satisfy the endemic spite of the Satanic Disciples who represent true Toryism in the raw.

They are a truly horrible collection of hatemongers... Shocked

by Tosh Tue Sep 11, 2012 12:40 pm

Phil,

What is it about Conservatives that you do not like ?

It seems to me politicians in our country are all in the centre, there is no left or right anymore.

by bobby Tue Sep 11, 2012 3:36 pm

I might have agreed with you Tosh prior to May 2010, but since then we have been governed by the most right wing Government we have had for god knows how many years.

by Redflag Tue Sep 11, 2012 6:15 pm

bobby wrote:I might have agreed with you Tosh prior to May 2010, but since then we have been governed by the most right wing Government we have had for god knows how many years.

The Maggot was too the right but Scam..er..on is too the right of right so we would maybe have to go back to Charles Dickens times to get a more right party and we all know who was in power then who made sure the normal man on the street DID NOT HAVE A VOTE, the only people that had the vote was the rich and the Millionaires of the UK.

by Tosh Tue Sep 11, 2012 6:54 pm

I might have agreed with you Tosh prior to May 2010, but since then we have been governed by the most right wing Government we have had for god knows how many years..

I did not see a great difference between any parties strategy for tackling the deficit, they all involved cuts and " efficiency " savings. The employment power of localised democracies in a globalised economy is minimal, the best we can hope for in the future is a better balanced economy( German) and a budget surplus plan( German) for the next inevitable slump in supply and demand.

Politicians spend far too much time and money pretending they have influence in a free market economy, the reality is they have little.

The developed world must accept the cost of maintaining a permanent underclass, a small percentage of the population who are in effect unemployable.
There is no longer the demand for unskilled and semi-skilled manual labour, and most of the underclass cannot communicate never mind operate a computer.

Its quite Darwinian in one way, our economic environment has changed and the most adaptable have survived and prospered. Christian in another way, the fittest must pay for the inevitable cost of the losers of economic evolution.

I don't believe there is any political arguments about the principles of Universal Health Care or Social safety nets or even wealth distribution, its all a matter of tiny degrees, not really worth arguing about.

To put it into perspective, a right wing Conservative in Britain would be a left of centre Democrat in America.

by oftenwrong Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:52 pm

Every day a little death
In the parlor, in the bed,
In the curtains, in the silver,
In the buttons, in the bread.
Every day a little sting
In the heart and in the head,
Every move and every breath
(And you hardly feel a thing)
Brings a perfect little death.

.... every day a little bolder ....

by **astradt1** Tue Sep 11, 2012 9:15 pm

Tory MPs need to "kill" David Cameron in order to win back support from the public, Nadine Dorries has said.

The outspoken MP was reported to have made the comments during the launch of a new right-wing Tory group headed by David Davis and Liam Fox called 'Conservative Voice'.

“We need a kill Cameron strategy, not a voice,” she told Guido Fawkes.

Having had to clarify to Sky News that she did in fact not want to murder the prime minister and was speaking metaphorically.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/09/11/nadine-dorries-kill-david-cameron_n_1873473.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

Why is it that when the Tories get in to trouble they believe that a move to the right will help them?

by oftenwrong Tue Sep 11, 2012 10:42 pm

There's nothing subtle about Tories. By natural preference, the majority of them are fascist-leaning, but cunning enough to recognise that fascism is unelectable in the UK. Accordingly their election manifesto is always slightly to the right of centre so as not to frighten the horses.

In Office, they no longer feel obliged to maintain that fiction.

by Redflag Wed Sep 12, 2012 8:26 am

astradt1 wrote:

Tory MPs need to "kill" David Cameron in order to win back support from the public, Nadine Dorries has said.

The outspoken MP was reported to have made the comments during the launch of a new right-wing Tory group headed by David Davis and Liam Fox called 'Conservative Voice'.

“We need a kill Cameron strategy, not a voice,” she told Guido Fawkes.

Having had to clarify to Sky News that she did in fact not want to murder the prime minister and was speaking metaphorically.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/09/11/nadine-dorries-kill-david-cameron_n_1873473.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

Why is it that when the Tories get in to trouble they believe that a move to the right will help them?

The answer to your question astradt1 is there fcuking stupid and have not got a brain cell between them. cheers

by Tosh Wed Sep 12, 2012 1:05 pm

There's nothing subtle about Tories. By natural preference, the majority of them are fascist-leaning, but cunning enough to recognise that fascism is unelectable in the UK. Accordingly their election manifesto is always slightly to the right of centre so as not to frighten the horses. In Office, they no longer feel obliged to maintain that fiction..

Fascism: a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism

Sounds like Tony Blair dragging us off on an illegal war while dismantling more manufacturing than Thatcher, and handing control of the country to his buddies the banks.

by Mel Wed Sep 12, 2012 1:18 pm

"There is no longer the demand for unskilled and semi-skilled manual labour"

We need to create a demand by borrowing at the very low rates that are available to us at present to build our infrastructure. Cuts/ severe austerity measures will get us nowhere except to implement Tory ideology to make the poor poorer and the rich richer. End of.

by Mel Wed Sep 12, 2012 1:23 pm

"handing control of the country to his buddies the banks."

That was Thatcher's doings, de-reglation of the finance sector, leaving Blair to rely heavily upon the tax revenues derived fron the banking sector.

She failed to push on to erase Sadam with HER WAR, which left the job to Blair to finish.

by Tosh Wed Sep 12, 2012 2:04 pm

We need to create a demand by borrowing at the very low rates that are available to us at present to build our infrastructure. Cuts/ severe austerity measures will get us nowhere except to implement Tory ideology to make the poor poorer and the rich richer. End of..

There was a decade long boom in the building industry and the underclass still remained unemployable, and the banks still ran the country.

Labour were planning severe austerity measures, low interest rates create debt not demand, we cannot just keep borrowing money to create jobs that there is no real demand for.

by Tosh Wed Sep 12, 2012 2:14 pm

That was Thatcher's doings, de-reglation of the finance sector, leaving Blair to rely heavily upon the tax revenues derived fron the banking sector.

Utter tripe, Blair and Brown deregulated the banks even further than Thatcher and reduced manufacturing more than Thatcher, they are the facts.
Why did Blair and Brown not use the billions of taxes from banking to increase manufacturing, solve the housing crisis and prevent the housing bubble, balance the economy and reduce the long term unemployed ?
How could 1 million Poles get a job in Britain over a decade while over a million 10 year unemployed could not ?

She failed to push on to erase Sadam with HER WAR, which left the job to Blair to finish..

More drivel, Thatcher resigned in Nov 1990 and the First Gulf War started in Jan-Feb 1991.

What is wrong with you and facts ?

by Mel Wed Sep 12, 2012 4:09 pm

She initiated that war and Major did not finish the job thoroughly.

Brown had no option but to continue with banking "light touch" and self regulation. The tax reveues were used to build hospitals/schools etc that the Tories had left to deterioate.
Brown gambled that bank to bank lending here in the UK and indeed between banks internationally from the word go could be regulated. He tried for nearly ten years and failed because overseas governments were and even now either not interested or not strong enough to collectivly address the situation. Hence the whole thing blew up in everyones face.

A real dilema for Brown. However under his guidance we were ALL better off even though he had to repair the damage of 18yrs of Tory distruction.

by Tosh Wed Sep 12, 2012 5:23 pm

She initiated that war and Major did not finish the job thoroughly.

Iraq invaded Kuwait, are you on crack ?

by Tosh Wed Sep 12, 2012 5:35 pm

The tax reveues were used to build hospitals/schools etc that the Tories had left to deterioate.

Labour doubled spending on the NHS using tax proceeds they knew to be risky and temporary, instead of using these funds to create long term wealth producing export jobs in both the manufacturing and service sectors.

Once a balanced economy had been achieved, all the proceeds could have been used to upgrade the NHS, instead they gambled using casino banking winnings and lost.

by Mel Wed Sep 12, 2012 6:17 pm

Tosh, your rudeness does not become you. You are intelligent enough (I think) not to have to resort to this kind of behavour.

Now then, who is "on crack"

On 2 August 1990, Iraq invaded Kuwait. The next day, Margaret Thatcher played an instrumental role in persuading President H W Bush to take a tough stance against the Iraqi leader, Saddam Hussein.

On 6 August, the UN Security Council passed Resolution 661, placing economic sanctions on Iraq, and the first US troops moved into Kuwait over six months later, on 23 February 1991. Thatcher has said that she felt "we ought to throw him out so decisively that he could never think of doing it again" but she had faild to do so. FACT FACT FACT.

Now then, what were you saying --Quote "More drivel, Thatcher resigned in Nov 1990 and the First Gulf War started in Jan-Feb 1991.

What is wrong with you and facts ?"

Do try to keep up with your "facts", it is most frustrating.

by Mel Wed Sep 12, 2012 6:21 pm

"Labour doubled spending on the NHS using tax proceeds"

Indeed they did having had to to repair the damage done to our NHS by the last Tory administration and quickly before it disintegrated, just as the Tories are hell bent on doing so yet again.

by Tosh Wed Sep 12, 2012 7:29 pm

On 2 August 1990, Iraq invaded Kuwait. The next day, Margaret Thatcher played an instrumental role in persuading President H W Bush to take a tough stance against the Iraqi leader, Saddam Hussein.

The invasion was condemned by all security council members, and America needed no persuading from Britain, one phone call from Saudi Arabia was instrumental enough.

As a Scottish Nationalist and manufacturer for the last 30 years, I have no love for Thatcher or the Tories, but please do not portray her as the devil incarnate in relation to Iraq's invasion of Kuwait.
I neither want the American or French socio-economic systems, I want a German/Swedish system because they first of all work, and secondly they are realistically fair.

by Tosh Wed Sep 12, 2012 7:33 pm

Indeed they did having had to to repair the damage done to our NHS by the last Tory administration and quickly before it disintegrated, just as the Tories are hell bent on doing so yet again..

Our NHS has to be funded proportionate to our National income, the NHS suffers like the rest in a time of deep recession, unless you build up a fiscal surplus for a rainy day, just like the Germans.

by oftenwrong Wed Sep 12, 2012 7:46 pm

"Recession" is a convenient excuse offered by the minority Tory party governing with the connivance of quisling Lib-Dems to revive Thatcherite dogma.

Reconcile if you can increased Government spending this year with the repeated assertions of the Chancellor that "there is no money."

by Tosh Wed Sep 12, 2012 8:31 pm

Recession" is a convenient excuse offered by the minority Tory party governing with the connivance of quisling Lib-Dems to revive Thatcherite dogma.

Recession is a financial consequence of global supply and demand, if you have no surplus for a rainy day then cutbacks in all social services are inevitable. If Labour had saved some money then no cuts would be necessary and cuts could not be justified.

Reconcile if you can increased Government spending this year with the repeated assertions of the Chancellor that "there is no money.".

I think you mean increased borrowing, without the cuts the cost of increased borrowing would turn this nation into Greece.

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